Why are people so ........
Esan
Griefer or not, the opinion is unassailable. Survivor is a shit title now that it can be farmed with HFFF. Those of us who got LS the old fashioned way by playing through the game have lamented its demise, and moved on.
RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by Esan
Griefer or not, the opinion is unassailable. Survivor is a shit title now that it can be farmed with HFFF. Those of us who got LS the old fashioned way by playing through the game have lamented its demise, and moved on.
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arsie
If you get Survivor by not dying, its a great achievement. If you try to get Survivor by trying not to die, at any cost, including leaving on a group, I do not respect that very much.
The guy was clearly being nasty for attempting to kill the Survivor-wannabes, which I do not condone.
As a Survivor-wannabe, you should either :
a) be nasty and keep quiet about your Survivor attempts to your PuGs, zapping to your Guildhall when things look bad, so that noone will deliberately try to sabotage your attempt.
b) be open about it with trusted friends, and keep yourself safe while others work hard on your behalf.
c) do one of those solo things like HFFF or boxing, and do not be a burden to anyone.
To all the calls to /report the griefer, well, I'll only agree if it was ok to /report a leaving Survivor-wannabe.
The guy was clearly being nasty for attempting to kill the Survivor-wannabes, which I do not condone.
As a Survivor-wannabe, you should either :
a) be nasty and keep quiet about your Survivor attempts to your PuGs, zapping to your Guildhall when things look bad, so that noone will deliberately try to sabotage your attempt.
b) be open about it with trusted friends, and keep yourself safe while others work hard on your behalf.
c) do one of those solo things like HFFF or boxing, and do not be a burden to anyone.
To all the calls to /report the griefer, well, I'll only agree if it was ok to /report a leaving Survivor-wannabe.
Squishy ftw
There's nothing anet can, and will do against idiots like this.
The guy didn't do anything wrong in the game, all he did was play it. He aggroed a mob and lured it to his party. This should not, and never will, be a bannable offense.
It's mainly the responsibility of the survivor to keep his ass alive. When you PuG, you know almost for a fact that you'll encounter morons like this. Solution? Avoid them, don't PuG. Why put your survivor's life partially in the hands of an unknown scrub ?
Play with heros/hench, friends, or guild/alliance members if you don't want crap like this to happen.
Ofcourse it sucks, but banning someone for this? Never.
The guy didn't do anything wrong in the game, all he did was play it. He aggroed a mob and lured it to his party. This should not, and never will, be a bannable offense.
It's mainly the responsibility of the survivor to keep his ass alive. When you PuG, you know almost for a fact that you'll encounter morons like this. Solution? Avoid them, don't PuG. Why put your survivor's life partially in the hands of an unknown scrub ?
Play with heros/hench, friends, or guild/alliance members if you don't want crap like this to happen.
Ofcourse it sucks, but banning someone for this? Never.
Esan
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
Because everybody who has recently gotten the Survivor title has done so via HFFF.
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Sleeper Service
its part of the game.
sure that persons attitude sucked but then again he was kinda right, as a Survivor you should have survived, you chose to take a runner and ran the risk of facing mobs who can take on MUCH higher levels than you.
You died.
End story.
sure that persons attitude sucked but then again he was kinda right, as a Survivor you should have survived, you chose to take a runner and ran the risk of facing mobs who can take on MUCH higher levels than you.
You died.
End story.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
The guy didn't do anything wrong in the game, all he did was play it.
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RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by Esan
It doesn't matter. The availability of a cheap shortcut devalues all achievements. If this weren't the case, diploma mills wouldn't be universally reviled. You should be concerned about lowering standards even if you yourself always take the high road.
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Darkobra
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Originally Posted by Yichi
I fixed this for you.
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Originally Posted by Esan
Griefer or not, the opinion is unassailable. Survivor is a shit title now that it can be farmed with HFFF. Those of us who got LS the old fashioned way by playing through the game have lamented its demise, and moved on.
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Shai Lee
PUGs are always a risk. It's best to do things on your own with hero/hench or with trusted friends, for those things that are more important to you. If I'm not doing survivor on my own, I typically only progress in the game with one other person. I find it easier to manage, anyway.
Squishy ftw
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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Well according to the OP, he did this on purpose. It's not IMHO an acceptable way of playing. This is mean. The responsibility may be shared in the sense that survivor players should not go this route, but it's mainly on the side of that jerk. The less we have in game, the better the gameplay will be.
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He pulled a mob. You simply can't ban someone for that.
Sure, it caused the OP to lose his survivor title. Doesn't change anything tho. Anet can't prevent people from being a-holes.
You however can, by simply not grouping with people you don't know when doing something like survivor. Thus, not giving them a chance to ruin your gameplay.
EPO Bot
Never tell ANYONE you try to get survivor. EVER. Not even guildies you know for months. Some trollers can wait for weeks to strike, making shure you are scarred for life and paranoid.
LeoX
Yeah that happened to me a while ago, f'in nerd. It was minotaurs too, but i survived.
jmarx2005
Well, you are going to start another survivor character right?
And I find that Guildies> heroes > henchmen > PuG
I mostly ONLY trust my guildies for stuff like this because I know that there are people like this idiot out there...
And I find that Guildies> heroes > henchmen > PuG
I mostly ONLY trust my guildies for stuff like this because I know that there are people like this idiot out there...
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
He probably did it on purpose yes, and it's indeed a very mean thing to do. But there's simply nothing that anet can/will do about it.
He pulled a mob. You simply can't ban someone for that. Sure, it caused the OP to lose his survivor title. Doesn't change anything tho. Anet can't prevent people from being a-holes. You however can, by simply not grouping with people you don't know when doing something like survivor. Thus, not giving them a chance to ruin your gameplay. |
But to be honest, these matters are more subtle than that. People's stupidity and meanness cannot be fought with bans, not even by their parents! Yet, it does not mean we should not do anything about it. Next time, this jerk may PUG with you, or AB, and be very annoying and mean (it won't probably harm you in the same way as the OP), in particular if he's with his stupid friends and they're trying to have fun at your expense.
I'm simply advocating for a pro-active action here, rather than waiting for more people's gameplay to be ruined. Yes learning the lesson of not PUGing for survivor is one thing to remember from this thread, but let's not forget where the core of the problem is: the jerk that was mean.
Sleeper Service
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Never tell ANYONE you try to get survivor. EVER. Not even guildies you know for months. Some trollers can wait for weeks to strike, making shure you are scarred for life and paranoid.
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because they will obviously not be packing a survivor build, they will be a useful and helpful addition to the group NOT freeloading, taking up a party slot and NOT quiting at the first sign of trouble.
back in the days when i puged i found THAT attitude negatively affected my game enjoyment as well.
never crossed my mind to EVER write to Anet and demand bans though.
Squishy ftw
I think that implementing something against griefers is quite impossible. Because the game won't know the difference between an intentionally mean action, and simply some newbie that's not paying attention to what's going on and aggroes the wrong mob by accident.
And trusting players to report griefers will be even worse.
But if you ever come up with something to get rid of them, post it and I'll put a big /SIGN under it.
I however believe that all you can do is try to avoid them.
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OP: That's just how some people are. Avoid them, It's all you can do.
And trusting players to report griefers will be even worse.
But if you ever come up with something to get rid of them, post it and I'll put a big /SIGN under it.
I however believe that all you can do is try to avoid them.
Edit: I'll stay on topic now
OP: That's just how some people are. Avoid them, It's all you can do.
EPO Bot
When i did my survivor, i only had to quit once. It was in Arborstone, and the wammo still had his starter armor. Also, half of the party had ragequitted already. Not all survivors quit at the sligtest spike.
jezz
i have several survivors..and done old fashioned way...i only take close friends/heros/hench..
best answer to your problem is dont team up with people you dont know..
people can be cruel..was probably some lame payback for survivor dropping out on a team he was in..
ty Anet for Heros..
best answer to your problem is dont team up with people you dont know..
people can be cruel..was probably some lame payback for survivor dropping out on a team he was in..
ty Anet for Heros..
Sleeper Service
not all players are jerks either.
just re-read the op, this thread is not about greifers but is simply a QQ about losing survivor for "X" reason.
just re-read the op, this thread is not about greifers but is simply a QQ about losing survivor for "X" reason.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
losing survivor for "X" reason.
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But well, I guess at one point, someone will invoke the "freedom" card, that says that there are no laws to prevent you from being a jerk.
Necrotic
Sounds like the same sort of person who would camp out at a zoneline from a starter town, on a red server (in another game) and PK newbies just because they could.
RhanoctJocosa
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Originally Posted by Necrotic
Sounds like the same sort of person who would camp out at a zoneline from a starter town, on a red server (in another game) and PK newbies just because they could.
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RotteN
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
You wait till GW2. I can't wait to see the packs of water eles walking around PvE areas snaring the little scrubs trying to quest. Ahhh, it's gonna be good.
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Let the Guild Wars begin
Gab's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOward theory explains the behaviour the OP posted. Some kids/retards/idiots just can't handle the internet.
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa
You wait till GW2. I can't wait to see the packs of water eles walking around PvE areas snaring the little scrubs trying to quest. Ahhh, it's gonna be good.
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cebalrai
I almost wish you could find out who people's guild leaders were, and report their behavior. Granted, only some guild leaders would care, but I think plenty would...
tmr819
It is a bit foolish, in my opinion, to enter a PUG for any reason and not be prepared for death. You just have to recognize this fact of life. Even legitimate PUGs (i.e., no jerks) don't always work together as a team, leading to fatal mistakes.
For a player to sabotage an effort, as described by the OP, however, is particularly disgusting.
I often wish there was a "Jerk Title Track", one achieved by earning "votes" from other players, and for which the title was always displayed (as a warning to others): "Jerk" (10 to 50 votes), "Annoying Jerk (2)" (51 to 100 votes), "Major Jerk (3)", etc. (100+ negative votes). Points only could be "awarded" by players that had partied with that player within the last 15 minutes. The "bonus" associated with the title track might be some kind of debuff.
It's not a workable idea, of course, and no doubt open to all kinds of abuses, but it might be kind of satisfying.
For a player to sabotage an effort, as described by the OP, however, is particularly disgusting.
I often wish there was a "Jerk Title Track", one achieved by earning "votes" from other players, and for which the title was always displayed (as a warning to others): "Jerk" (10 to 50 votes), "Annoying Jerk (2)" (51 to 100 votes), "Major Jerk (3)", etc. (100+ negative votes). Points only could be "awarded" by players that had partied with that player within the last 15 minutes. The "bonus" associated with the title track might be some kind of debuff.
It's not a workable idea, of course, and no doubt open to all kinds of abuses, but it might be kind of satisfying.
FeroxC
They do it because the survivor title is a liability. A normal player will be able to take a hit and get ressurected right back into battle.
A survivor - best case is going to run off then come back and res or worst case quit.
As a survivor your basiclaly a crippled character, as the ressurect mechanic doesn't apply to you. Pugs dont wan't cripples - go with your guildmates.
A survivor - best case is going to run off then come back and res or worst case quit.
As a survivor your basiclaly a crippled character, as the ressurect mechanic doesn't apply to you. Pugs dont wan't cripples - go with your guildmates.
Fril Estelin
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Originally Posted by tmr819
It is a bit foolish, in my opinion, to enter a PUG for any reason and not be prepared for death. You just have to recognize this fact of life. Even legitimate PUGs (i.e., no jerks) don't always work together as a team, leading to fatal mistakes.
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Dishonorable hex extended to PvE
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It's not a workable idea, of course, and no doubt open to all kinds of abuses, but it might be kind of satisfying.
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tmr819
Hah. I was thinking that the only way to remove the negative title/debuff would be to have to kill .... mmmm ..... 100,000 grawl.
Theo Godscythe
Wow, this is freaky yesterday I was also getting run to Lion’s Arch and there was a lv 3 Elementalists in our group. Furthermore I was also going for the Survivor title. I must say the runner was really nice he killed all the patrols that wandered into the portal before running.
People are just the way they are, I sympathize with the Survivor but whenever something bad happens it is quickly followed by something good.
On a different note once I was getting run to Gadd’s Encampment, too lazy to go there myself, and there was an Ursan Warrior in our group who went out and killed monster. When he inevitably got killed a you Survivor Paragon when in to resurrect him, being as lucky as she was as soon as her resurrection skill was done she disconnected >.<
Anyway as soon as that happened a horde of snake people rushed at her… good thing I was there to save the day, as soon as I saw it rushed inside the Falls outpost and she reconnected. Happy endings are nice.
People are just the way they are, I sympathize with the Survivor but whenever something bad happens it is quickly followed by something good.
On a different note once I was getting run to Gadd’s Encampment, too lazy to go there myself, and there was an Ursan Warrior in our group who went out and killed monster. When he inevitably got killed a you Survivor Paragon when in to resurrect him, being as lucky as she was as soon as her resurrection skill was done she disconnected >.<
Anyway as soon as that happened a horde of snake people rushed at her… good thing I was there to save the day, as soon as I saw it rushed inside the Falls outpost and she reconnected. Happy endings are nice.
Olim Chill
As said many times above - there will always be jerks that try to ruin the game for others. H/H for survivors is usually the best route.
I also thought the same thing. Why didn't you just log out before the mob hit you?
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Yang Whirlwind
I don't hate survivors, in fact some of my best friends have that title!
But, some people forget to tell people that they will zone out of the mission faster than you can say "doh!" if they get in trouble,- and that is so not cool!!! (<--- extra exclamation marks for emphasis)
and I still think it pretty much sucks that I can't get a shot at the title on my main toon "just" because the title wasn't invented when he was created!
But, some people forget to tell people that they will zone out of the mission faster than you can say "doh!" if they get in trouble,- and that is so not cool!!! (<--- extra exclamation marks for emphasis
)and I still think it pretty much sucks that I can't get a shot at the title on my main toon "just" because the title wasn't invented when he was created!
~ Dan ~
This game is fee-free, thus - little kids play it.
Theo Godscythe
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Originally Posted by FeroxC
They do it because the survivor title is a liability. A normal player will be able to take a hit and get ressurected right back into battle.
A survivor - best case is going to run off then come back and res or worst case quit. As a survivor your basiclaly a crippled character, as the ressurect mechanic doesn't apply to you. Pugs dont wan't cripples - go with your guildmates. |
Olim Chill
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I prefer the aggro-conscience gimp.
Big_Iron
I never PUGed when I did the survivor title. I mostly used H/H with an occasional outing with Guildies. Though, 98% of the time was H/H.
Spike
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This game is fee-free, thus - little kids play it.
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FeroxC
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Right. Your average PUG just wants to milk that rez mechanic and wallow in DP.
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I prefer an aggro-consciouse player whos not crippled by "survior" anyday.
Your bad rep is self inflicted thanks to the lame behaviour the title enforces and the fact that your at a major disadvantage without res.
Ctb
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Just a thought.
Not that I condone the childish griefing the OP is discussing, mind you, but I certainly choose to avoid survivor characters whenever possible. It was bad enough when you had to deal with the ragequitters and disconnects. Adding active encouragement to abandon teams was just leaps and bounds beyond stupid. Good old ANET, no middle ground with them. Everything they do to this game is either gold or shit.
And, of course, it's also another example of where ANET chose to completely ignore a basic game mechanic that other games have already had working just fine for years: you create a Survivor character, you have to mark it as such a la the "Hardcore" mode of the much older Diablo 2. Then, you just display that to people when partying so that they can choose to avoid Survivors if they want.
But nooooooo. That would make sense, and god forbid ANET ever just reuses what WORKS from other games rather than trying to implement things in their own half-brained manner without so much as a water-cooler discussion of the ramifications.
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If you leave empire space, there are no rules. This is a game mechanic, and if you don't understand that, it's your own fault when you get ganked.