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Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

23 Jan 2008 at 17:40 - 81

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

What an idiotic response, its not a case of "milking the rez mechanic" its the fact that res is there when needed.
I prefer an aggro-consciouse player whos not crippled by "survior" anyday.

Your bad rep is self inflicted thanks to the lame behaviour the title enforces and the fact that your at a major disadvantage without res.

No more idiotic than saying going for survivor makes you a lame player. Players earn reputations based on their actions, not their titles.

hurric

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

BC

23 Jan 2008 at 17:44 - 82

As much as it sucks, there's no law against idiots and that stupid kid was just being a moron period. The OP mentioned he was getting a run and not doing a mission/quest where he can jeopardize the whole team by either quitting or staying back. If you're getting a run you just sit back til you reach destination. There's no justification for what that dumb person did but again there's no law against being stupid or plain annoying.

try to stick to guildies/friends for missions and get heros ASAP. this is why people's trust in other people go down the drain because of idiots like that kid.

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

In my own little world, looking at yours

Only Us[NotU]

E/

23 Jan 2008 at 17:44 - 83

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

But really whole party wipe? you could have walked back to rezone.... or even just left.

Hell running to yaks isnt that big of a deal you could have just left the started a new group without that retard.

Use heroes I got my Survivor r3 title by simply using heroes and having 1 friend do a mission with me.

After entering Anvil Rock and as the runner headed down the left path away from the Minataur's, I stepped over next to the res shrine. The party being ran were all level 9 or less with 3 of them 4 or less. Doesn't take much for the mobs to wipe them. By the time I realized what was up, my health was gone before I could find that little X.

"Hero / Hench it", where do you think I was headed? I am only runner in my guild, and the only runners I know are on my friends list. It's time to purge my list, only 3 or 4 of a full list is on any more, and half of them are "Do not disturb".

Sometimes life sucks, and you have to take an occasional chance, even when you can't afford too.

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

23 Jan 2008 at 17:50 - 84

As far as I'm concerned if you are going for survivor you should never PuG unless you are the group leader and you assure victory with at least 2-3 players you know or heroes. Yes there are a-holes out there who will intentionally try to screw your group up, I haven't had the misfortune to encounter them but I know people who have. There are people who just plain suck and will get you killed unintentionally. A survivor has to be dedicated to being 100% assured that their group will pull through regardless of any unknown factors. Or go power level with kilroy.

Perkunas

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

In my own little world, looking at yours

Only Us[NotU]

E/

23 Jan 2008 at 17:54 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Griefer or not, the opinion is unassailable. Survivor is a shit title now that it can be farmed with HFFF. Those of us who got LS the old fashioned way by playing through the game have lamented its demise, and moved on.

What is HFFF? I am playing the game thru, just on way to get heroes to help ease the need for PuGs.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

23 Jan 2008 at 17:57 - 86

People are bastards...
And PuG's fail, move it onnnnn...

FeroxC

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

EOA

P/W

23 Jan 2008 at 18:04 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olim lll

No more idiotic than saying going for survivor makes you a lame player. Players earn reputations based on their actions, not their titles.

Wrong again. People will generalise, get used to it.

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/

23 Jan 2008 at 18:05 - 88

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perkunas

What is HFFF? I am playing the game thru, just on way to get heroes to help ease the need for PuGs.

HFF = Hero Faction Farm, there is a kurzick and luxon quest for faction that you can order your flag your heroes to complete while you chill right next to the portal. 3k exp and 400 faction in about 40 seconds for kurzick, 1.5 minutes or so for luxon (i think). Both repeatable.

Nowadays its even faster to go to EoTN and do boxing, where you cant die unless you are unable to 'stand up' and get huge exp per kill since you are alone.

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

23 Jan 2008 at 18:09 - 89

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

Wrong again. People will generalise, get used to it.

People generalize? Thanks for that pearl of wisdom. That doesn't mean one can't express how foolish it is.

lakatz

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

23 Jan 2008 at 18:18 - 90

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

Wrong again. People will generalise, get used to it.

This is an excellent example of generalizing. People<--- can't get much more general than that. Now can you?

Jake_Steel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Portland, OR

The Older Gamers (TOG)

N/Me

23 Jan 2008 at 18:22 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

Wrong again. People will generalise, get used to it.

Generally, people that generalize are just morons anyway.... [/sarcasm]

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

23 Jan 2008 at 18:27 - 92

Survivors act like they are first class players when I encoutner them in PuGs, snobs that demand pre-prot for travelling about (Yes this happened once).

The survivor title means squat to me, it just says "I had a ton of lvl 20s help me out from lvl 1 and I stayed in the back and sucked my toe"

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

23 Jan 2008 at 18:39 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake_Steel

Generally, people that generalize are just morons anyway.... [/sarcasm]

Hard to argue that one.

thor hammerbane

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Side of the Moon

Fat Kids Are Hard To Kid[nap]

23 Jan 2008 at 18:52 - 94

There are assholes in every game, you just have to move on and don't let them get you down. You meet alot of friendly people as well.

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

23 Jan 2008 at 19:00 - 95

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theo Godscythe

Crippled my a&$ we actually are careful not to die. If you call that crippled then *something* !

So you don't agree that a survivor in the party is a liability? That the first thing on a survivor's mind isn't kill the monster or help save the party, as opposed to OMFG I might die let me run away and save my title before I have to start all over again?

Be serious... the first thing on a survivors mind is title... not group.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

23 Jan 2008 at 19:15 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Survivors act like they are first class players when I encoutner them in PuGs, snobs that demand pre-prot for travelling about (Yes this happened once).

The survivor title means squat to me, it just says "I had a ton of lvl 20s help me out from lvl 1 and I stayed in the back and sucked my toe"

That's exactly what I didn't wanna do when I made my first ever "survivor", in quotations because I'm not doing it seriously - if I die, I don't care, but I'll avoid dying anyways. The only time I mapped out was from my own bad aggro in Tahnnakai Temple which got my whole party, made of heroes/henchies, dead. I'd have done the same on my other non-survivor characters.

I play like I've always played before, so a midliner often finding himself on the frontline to pull. I'm just more "careful" I guess on my mesmer (the "survivor") because well, I want my title, but I seriously will not stand back and watch my party destroying stuff. I'd feel like a leech and I hate leeching >_>.

As for griefers and morons, I try to avoid them... but I'm a moron-magnet or something, so I always wind up with one or more. Goes from the guy who pulls to get a whole team killed because some guy got an ecto instead of him, and the ones who abuses everyone verbally for XYZ reason.

Evaine

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

KORE

N/

23 Jan 2008 at 20:46 - 97

I'm not condoning what the guy did. That was just bad. However, I noticed that you didn't tell the group that you were going for Survivor so I think you must know how many players feel about them. Knowing what you face after Yak's Bend, I'm guessing that you were going to need another run or two or three to get to wherever you needed to go after that. And PUGs from Yak's Bend on are often even worse than the group you were in.

There seems to be a mentality in many PUGs, and teams being run, that anything goes. People seem to think that they can say and do stupid things with no regard for the team leader or other party members. Maybe because no one knows each other. I wonder if players needing runs like this one are the same people who later look for groups to join for missions and quests? I think they are and so many of them are just plain brats. You can tell just by the way they talk.

My only advice for Survivors is, if you feel that you have to rely on other players, play with friends or guildies that know what your goal is. Teaming with strangers is a pretty big gamble. When you do join a team, if you see anyone saying stupid things in team chat or acting like a jerk then do yourself a favor and leave. Chances are the jerk is going to cause problems and you're going to have to bail on the team so just leave.

Of course hindsight is always perfect

Turtle222

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

:D:D

D/W

23 Jan 2008 at 21:17 - 98

hey, at least thank your lucky stars that GW doesnt have an ingame mic system. God i can imagine the 12 year olds now

elliot

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

holland

W/

24 Jan 2008 at 13:29 - 99

h/h way is still the best way for survivor but if you really feel like you want to go with other people guildies and friends should bee first choice since there is always the risk to run in to people like that.

but if you really just want to take a pug.

then the best thing to do, is to just try and keep maxium controle over the party; most pugs dont know the bonus or how the mission goes, etc.
so just take the role as leader of the party tell them where they should go (most of the time just drawing a simple line on the compas does the trick).

my survivor is a monk so that makes it a lot easyer they depent on you (just take a hero monk with you as backup also helps

), on occasion you do run in a person that thinks he's rambo but wenn you just let him walk to his own death they tend to learn to just stick with the group.

also best is to avoid any party with a mm, you dont want to get killed by thous things in a movie or something like that.

a pug always addes a extra challance to a mission when you go for survivor personaly I like that, but then again if you dont want that extra risk just dont take pugs and aks your friends/guildies or stick with the h/h solo thing.

TyrianFury

Guest

Join Date: May 2006

UK

E/

24 Jan 2008 at 13:46 - 100

yeah that sucks, I too have come across some real idiots on the, too bad there is not a keyboard command to sent an electric pulse back to their computer and blow it up heh heh heh

I got legendary survivor on my ranger about a year ago by playing the game, capping skills and being very careful. I nearly lost it a few times because the stupid game client crashed on me. My monk has rank 1 and I was try to get another rank 3 but died farming exp with killroy. My finger was too tiered hitting 8 all the time not fussed. Glad I have it on my ranger and it is a silly title to get just like defender of ascalon, lucky/unlucky and drunkard/sweettooth.

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

24 Jan 2008 at 14:31 - 101

This type of behavior is silly. It is far more fun to bash peoples' intellect and intelligence with superior demeanor and wisdom. I know I enjoy making others cringe with how arrogant I am. Fun fun. Sorry about your bad experience with yet another idiot.

holy saints

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Heaven

N/A

A/W

24 Jan 2008 at 14:36 - 102

I don't wanna be rude or something but I have met about 6 people who were going for the survivor title and they all acted like jerks who think there better then everyone so I hate them but I would never kill them like that >.<

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

24 Jan 2008 at 14:48 - 103

Quote:

Originally Posted by holy saints

I don't wanna be rude or something but I have met about 6 people who were going for the survivor title and they all acted like jerks who think there better then everyone so I hate them but I would never kill them like that >.<

I don't have survivor title, nor will I ever go for it. Useless title in my opinion, but that is irrelevant. I am just cynical.

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

24 Jan 2008 at 14:50 - 104

Quote:

Originally Posted by holy saints

I don't wanna be rude or something but I have met about 6 people who were going for the survivor title and they all acted like jerks who think there better then everyone so I hate them but I would never kill them like that >.<

I've met a few survivors back when I PUGged more, and some were killed in the teams I had been (thankfully, never been responsible for a death >_>). I've seen some raging at the whole team for XYZ reason, never aimed directly at me but still... put me of for teaming up with survivors for a long while. The last time I've been with a survivor that wasn't my own was Arborstone, monking. Went well until our other monk, as a joke, had brought FS... not knowing 2 of our players were survivors. No one died though, but one of the survivors raged out of our Vent server after having a talk with our guild leader, leaving me to talk to the other monk.

And I had friends literally crying over a lost survivor (which put me off for working on my OWN survivor...). Frankly, I never got why. Maybe it's because I never aimed for it seriously...

EDIT: I love forgetting stuff, as how yes, holy saints, I've encountered the same kinda guys as you did. They're the ones who ask for constant healing, usually by a third monk, who stay far back in the battle, refusing to do anything, and when they die it's always, always someone else's fault. Hence my little rant 1st paragraph x].

tmr819

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

W/Mo

24 Jan 2008 at 15:18 - 105

I feel bad for the OP, really I do.

But ... and I don't mean to be unkind or anything ... I really don't get the whole titles thing anyway. I mean, why bother?

Survivor, Cartographer, etc. ... It just all seems totally pointless and boring to me. Is there some benefit derived from it that I am just unaware of?

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

24 Jan 2008 at 15:20 - 106

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmr819

I feel bad for the OP, really I do.

But ... and I don't mean to be unkind or anything ... I really don't get the whole titles thing anyway. I mean, why bother?

Survivor, Cartographer, etc. ... It just all seems totally pointless and boring to me. Is there some benefit derived from it that I am just unaware of?

To each his own, lol. You don't care about titles and I do. The beauty of guild wars to me is that I can select who I want to play with, what I want to do, and how I do it. If they forced me to play with retards I would quit and start playing online scrabble. lol

Spike

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

In front of my PC

Kai

E/Mo

24 Jan 2008 at 16:16 - 107

Quote:

Originally Posted by tmr819

I feel bad for the OP, really I do.

But ... and I don't mean to be unkind or anything ... I really don't get the whole titles thing anyway. I mean, why bother?

Survivor, Cartographer, etc. ... It just all seems totally pointless and boring to me. Is there some benefit derived from it that I am just unaware of?

Just because you don't get it does'nt mean other people don't. I don't get whats so good about pvp and think thats totaly pointless, but lots of other people seem to like it. Yes actually there IS some benefit to titles. Its called the Hall of Monuments. See http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments for details

tmr819

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

W/Mo

24 Jan 2008 at 16:39 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

Just because you don't get it does'nt mean other people don't. I don't get whats so good about pvp and think thats totaly pointless, but lots of other people seem to like it. Yes actually there IS some benefit to titles. Its called the Hall of Monuments. See http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Hall_of_Monuments for details

Getting these titles just doesn't seem to me like a very fun thing to do, that is all. I'm glad other people are enjoying getting these titles. You make a good and valid point about the PvP. It really is just a matter of taste. I think golf is boring, too, but a lot of people seem to like it.

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

24 Jan 2008 at 17:13 - 109

I used to be the same way about titles, but since I kinda got bored with doing missions over and over, I've moved to maxing titles. When I get bored with that, I may try PvP, or move on to some other aspect of the game.

I think people do titles for the same reason.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

24 Jan 2008 at 17:39 - 110

I just moved on to different games when I finished Guild Wars. Repeatedly. With all characters. On all campaigns. For the past 2 or so years.

Miss Puddles

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost]

Me/

24 Jan 2008 at 18:00 - 111

when i was taking my ele through factions, we had a monk who was going for level 2 survivor in our group for tahnnakai temple. they let us know ahead of time, stayed back enough to monk and out of enemy range, and everything was fine.
bottom line, if you can tell you're going to get screwed over as a survivor, just leave. but tell your party for godssakes!

The Way Out

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

In my peanut brain

Zomg Zombies [OMG]

Mo/E

24 Jan 2008 at 18:46 - 112

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katsumi Rikyu

I used to be the same way about titles, but since I kinda got bored with doing missions over and over, I've moved to maxing titles. When I get bored with that, I may try PvP, or move on to some other aspect of the game.

I think people do titles for the same reason.

I do run out of things to do. Hard Mode was cool for awhile. I just recently moved back over to PvP, where I originally started. Titles are a necessity for me, because it is the last thing I haven't done yet.

JONO51

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

P/

24 Jan 2008 at 19:49 - 113

Just generaly avoid PUG's. i have nothing agaisnt survivors and they're all fine with me, whatever way they got their title. pay the game how you wanna play, not how someone else tells you. Despite this, i'm gonna have to contradict myself. Generally PUG's are the lowest of the low. i have met some nice people, but the majority of people are racists/smacktards/have serious issues with social contact of any sort.

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

24 Jan 2008 at 22:22 - 114

PUG's suck period.

Whens the last time H/h aggro'ed loads and loads of mobs at once and caused a party wipe?
OK so they do that but at least they don't then say "omfg n00bz, u izn't l337 liek meh. Cant handel 16 fo3s @ 1se on hm??!?!?!?. n00b monkz fualt"
They don't.
Thats why H/h make better party members. (or guildies/friends that play the game for fun not so serious they yell abuse at every time you don't use the skill they would or when they Leeroy into mobs and expect to live before bonds or monks are in range/have energy)

Last time you PUG'ed (not including friends or guildies) and had;
No sexist comments
No part of the reproductive system crudely drawn on the radar
No racist comments
If you got a PUG without any abuse please let me know i'm stereotyping PUGs, but till then i'll stick with H/h

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

24 Jan 2008 at 23:10 - 115

All I can say is I managed to successfully complete at least 85% of every GW game without the need of others. Hero/Henchmen is the way I enjoy the game, but sometimes, you need to work with the idiots to get the job done.

Craywulf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Righteous and Honorable (RAH)

N/Me

24 Jan 2008 at 23:16 - 116

PUGs don't suck, You just have to weed out the bad apples before you go adventuring with someone. Its just like real life in that you don't hand the keys to your house to a stranger and expect good things to happen.

Common sense would be to talk to the potential PUG, and find out where they have been so far in the game and what they are doing besides the current mission. If they aren't talkin' much then I'd be wary of their agenda if you do decide to join up.

I personally don't like Survivors for the reason of being liable to their death. I don't want a player harping at me because I expected help when I'm facing chockful of Mobs. So I tell the potential PUG straight up that I don't make runs for Survivors. Its personal thing because truthfully I'm not all that great of player and I do need help sometimes.

Only time I make Survivor runs is for guildmates, which doesn't happen. Most my mates are family and friends I know offline. So if I accidentally get their Survivor character killed, I'm likely to get in a face to face shouting.

Zonzai

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

E/

24 Jan 2008 at 23:28 - 117

Because they are cooler than you.

Not really, but that was fun. Don't flog me.

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

24 Jan 2008 at 23:41 - 118

I don't hate Survivors, though I'm not keen on attempting the title. Never have, never will.

I feel GW is a game where you should always go slowly and take in every detail. Running around powerlevelling, dying, and starting all over goes against my Code of Conduct.

I'd lose my sanity attempting it anyway.

creelie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Alberta

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Mo/

25 Jan 2008 at 01:37 - 119

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybanshee

The only reason I dislike the survivor title (and this is a deep seated hatred in me) is because people will NOT warn you that they're survivors, hang back in a 'safety zone' when you're getting the crap beat out of you, then leave so they don't die, which leaves you hanging or dead. it's annoying as hell. FFS if you're going for survivor, stay out of the elite missions, PLEASE tell people you are so they can decide if they want to take you with them or not, and don't be jerks about it. Having 1 survivor leave and/or not help because they don't want to risk it can make the difference in a lot of missions and dungeons.

I agree with everything you just said, and the OP's story made me laugh. If you're going for a title that basically says, "I Took No Risks For 1.3 Million XP", why do you cry when you take a risk and lose the title?

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

25 Jan 2008 at 09:26 - 120

Quote:

Originally Posted by creelie

why do you cry when you take a risk and lose the title?

Because of the meanness of the guy? Is everyone so blinded by the fact that this guy was trying for survivor that they can't see this? Can't everyone see that the jerk took pleasure out of ruining the OP's gameplay? (as someone already said, you should have warped out as soon as he said "survive this")