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Numa Pompilius

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25 Jan 2008 at 08:10 - 41

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

So, it should never mater which profession uses them, they should work the same.

/Signed.

I'd prefer to have the norn blessings removed from the game or heavily nerfed, but having them work the same for all would be the second best.

Also, the "you are blessed by the bear you don't become the bear" thing is just rationalization... I mean, come on, it's simply because ANet didn't feel like making new artwork like they did with the Dervish avatar skills, and instead took the cheap & easy route of having everyone look normal.

Onyx Blindbow

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25 Jan 2008 at 08:14 - 42

Great QQ thread lol

I am a necro and have run ursan quadruns innumerable times and only been turned away twice from groups (usually groups of full warriors & 2 monks)

As a necro I have unlimited energy as my buff that the warrior do not have, weilding a zelous axe and 15-1 focus my energy pool is huge and with the soul reaping gain and zelous gain I am max energy 90% of the time

Ele's have the next best energy boon with energy storage and huge reserves, so basically you want the best of everything???

The answer for you is to make your own groups (fastest guaranteed way) simply spam "quadrun ursanway" no one will QQ about joining your group with you as a caster.

Faer

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25 Jan 2008 at 09:05 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

There are more 60/70AL professions then 80AL professions. Overall, it's more of a buff then a nerf.

My 60AL Monk can get upwards of around 900HP with Ursan as it currently is. If it was changed in the way described by the OP, that same 60AL Monk would have considerably less health, and only slightly more armor. That same health deficit carries on to any profession in the game.

Nerf. Now stop posting in my forum, scrub.

Sol Deathgard

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25 Jan 2008 at 09:26 - 44

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Originally Posted by ManiSan

Open minded guys wont run HM with 3 casters in the team, that would just be suicide.

When my guild/alliance do DoA, most of them are casters running ursan & we do very well tyvm. Just cause some idiots think it can't work don't mean it won't work.

ManiSan

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25 Jan 2008 at 09:36 - 45

To buff or nerf the skill isnt the question. The proposition is that ursan blessing should turn everyone into a bear, an identical bear, with an armor of bear, hp and mana pool of a bear.
By the way i would of course love to see that skill removed from the game. Or severly nerfed.
Thats not QQing.. im not intersted by playing ursan, my Rt got her FoW armor last night, i dont need to play ursan anymore. Eventually, i would complain about the newbies that have the game since a month and are richer than me, intensive player since a year. Eventually. Looks like something is broke, doesnt it?

PS: as necro or mesmer, you succeed in quad HM ? (HM for Hard Mode, yeah)

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25 Jan 2008 at 09:39 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinraith

I've got a "fix" for UB that's fair to all classes: remove it from the game.

I think this is a great idea. It's undeniably fair to all classes as well.

/signed

@OP: Any Warrior who puts Ursan Blessing on his bar puts themself at a disadvantage by depriving themself of a better build. Actually, substitute any class in my first sentence, and it would probably be true...

*Offtopic* Wouldn't it be nice if the GO RED ENGINE train could run over any use of the word, "Ursan?" I've yet to see any meaningful discussion on the topic, and many threads just get derailed and locked by the bickering from the opposing points of view. Like this one will, most probably.

MithranArkanere

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25 Jan 2008 at 09:48 - 47

Yikes, I keep forgetting that about Divine Favor. Even better, more to support the equality nerf/fix.

And again. Not all professions have prismatic insignia. So only the 'common' insignia should be considered. While attaking, while holding a bundle, while under the effects of a blessing, etc...

Yeah. So, please, forget all the 'no buff' posts. This is not a buff, is a complete elimination to profession exclusive benefits that NOT ALL profesions have, removing advantages of some professions avobe others.
You could say... 'but a ritualist can summon spirits before using the blessing', or a rangers, and traps.
Yeah, like my elementalist, if I change her secondary.

My elementalist can use Ursan as good as any other profession, I vanquished all the Charr lands just using the Ursan, only to see if I could do that. Molotov Rocktail was a joke while under ursan, by the way.

I just think that it's unfair that I get extra benefits for being elementalist, but a friend of mine who favors ritualsits, gets nothing.
I'm not asking this selfishly.
All the professions I play more have benefits benefits: Elementalist, Warrior, Necromancer and Assassin.
I just want the blessing as logical and fair as possible. And it's not like that currently.

We are not talking about a build you can choose.
Bring pain inverter, and asura summon, something to regainenergy, something to heal... No, no. While under ursan, it's just like riding a Junundu, A siege devourer or being under the Rollebeetle form. You don't choose the skills, you are playing as 'ursan', not as an elementalist. Al skills are the norn blessings skills.

You gain the aspect of the bear. Not the bear-necromancer.

ManiSan

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25 Jan 2008 at 10:11 - 48

Do you know that a "serious" ursan team can complete all mallyx quests in HM, thus earning 30+ gems, for a net income of (at last, im not including greens, golds, etc..) of 120k ? In 3 hours ?
Now lets say you arent playing warrior. How many days do you need to earn that much money ? Better say weeks...
A guy (who didnt played well, like someone new to the game) told me he made 300 ectos and 1million in 3 weeks. Thats more than me in 3,500 hours. AND he wasnt a warrior used to HM...
This is a serious glitch in the game imho.

TaCktiX

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25 Jan 2008 at 11:18 - 49

It's known as getting 10/8 and then nobody except fools will question you. I think that point has been made enough times.

As for profession-exclusive "disbenefits," you're full of it. Each profession has their own thing that benefits the operation of Ursan. Over the course of the quad runs I've done, I have had every single profession aside from Assassin in my group (no PUG assassins, sadly). And I've only done 4, 2 of which I led. Just because a class does not directly benefit from Ursan Blessing does not mean you can't play with that class.

As for the people in favor of removing or nerf obliterating UB, I do and do not agree. DoA is the best example of ANet saying that "oh, make them all Level 28 and put debilitating environmental effects everywhere, then make the mob size 7 or more." I.E., the classic "bigger = harder," when in reality it's "bigger = more annoying." Ursan allows people to not pull their hair out trying to get any DoA done without knowing EXACTLY what to do. No tutorial explains a DoA quadrun well enough compared to actually doing it once or twice. And the normal groups (read: balanced) have to dissect the area as if it was a scientific equation, not a game. WHERE is the fun there? Be "zomg UB sux it let's n00bs take me gold" all you want, DoA is no fun in a true balanced group, it's boring. The only thing that has ever redeemed DoA for a balanced is how dang good the drops are. Pretty sad payoff IMO.

Tokar Terrius

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25 Jan 2008 at 11:18 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManiSan

Do you know that a "serious" ursan team can complete all mallyx quests in HM, thus earning 30+ gems, for a net income of (at last, im not including greens, golds, etc..) of 120k ? In 3 hours ?
Now lets say you arent playing warrior. How many days do you need to earn that much money ? Better say weeks...
A guy (who didnt played well, like someone new to the game) told me he made 300 ectos and 1million in 3 weeks. Thats more than me in 3,500 hours. AND he wasnt a warrior used to HM...
This is a serious glitch in the game imho.

It's open to everyone! The more people do it the cheaper the gems...these things dont last forever. Its just more whining from you. "He's earning all that money and im not..NOT FAIR!" *YAWN*

Make a warrior or sort your armour out and get over it!

JeniM

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25 Jan 2008 at 11:26 - 51

I think Ursan has given a huge boost to the forums. Whens the last time a thread has no mention of UB??

UB is a great skill, it gives less experianced players a chance to compete at the same level as the elitists that moan about it. I think the best thing Anet could do concerning UB is leave it alone. Someone wanting to H/h with the boost of UB is no more powerful than a co-ordinated group with well thought out skill bars

MithranArkanere

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25 Jan 2008 at 14:15 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaCktiX

[...]

As for profession-exclusive "disbenefits," you're full of it. Each profession has their own thing that benefits the operation of Ursan.

[...]

Ok. Tell me. Which are the benefits for monks, ritualsits, mesmers, dervishes and rangers compared to other professions.

I just want to know them.

Only primary attributes and armor makes the difference between a character and another. If it's other attributes or weapons, then it's not a difference between professions.

Aera Lure

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25 Jan 2008 at 14:16 - 53

They should just nerf Ursan already. Into oblivion. That or update HM to call it Ursan Mode. Anet has lost all common sense and credibility to try and spend all this time over the last few years trying to balance skills and then simply hang something like Ursan out there.

Tyla

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25 Jan 2008 at 14:53 - 54

Buff Ursan...?
I WAS happy with it at first, but now its out of hand and imba, not only that it also makes PvE more rediculous than it already is.

Even the alliance im in pretty much ONLY plays Ursan.

MithranArkanere

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25 Jan 2008 at 15:09 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Buff Ursan...?
I WAS happy with it at first, but now its out of hand and imba, not only that it also makes PvE more rediculous than it already is.

Even the alliance im in pretty much ONLY plays Ursan.

T-T why no one reads...?
The main point of the OP is some professions having better benefits than others, and others no benefits at all.
Of course, the numbers the OP used in the main post are wrong. That would be a buff, and make Ursan worst.

But the main idea is still valid.
Don't see the numbers, that crazy armor and health.

Even if you pick the lowest values (60 armor, 20 energy, 480HP, etc) as a base, the apply the Ursan benefits, that would still be better than some professions getting much more advantage from Ursan than others.

A nerf in the case of those professions, and NOTHING for the rest.

Don't see the buff or debuff. See the logic.

Stoneys Rock

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25 Jan 2008 at 15:27 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManiSan

Yeah, im not happy with Ursan Blessing.
Im used to play elementalist. And I cant be accepted in quad run HM in DoA, which is (by far) the quickest way to earn money.
Since we're changed to ursans, our armor should be the same, our life too.
Heres the new ursan skill i suggest:

Ursan Blessing:
Elite Skill. You take the appearance of a bear. [...]
You have 80...95 armor and 550...700 hp. [...]

This way, we'll all be equal with ursan. No more "Im a warrior Im making twice your best gold income".
If we're changed into ursan, we dont have armor nor insignias anymore, thats common sense...

use prismatic insignias if you need more armor for your ele to ursan. Also I don't believe I've heard a warrior ever say that, ever.

Actually the casters can do a better job ursaning seeing as they can have shields and whatever because the energy pool for them is quite substantially bigger than a warrior. Besides there's cookie cutter builds for almost every area don't come here for an idea to change something just because your profession just isn't up there.
although maybe a time limit would stabilize this skill? instead of the energy and depending on your armor you get set increments.

/nosign

quickmonty

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25 Jan 2008 at 15:46 - 57

Thread tittle:

Quote:

Make Ursan Blessing fair

Fair to whom?

MithranArkanere

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25 Jan 2008 at 16:16 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by quickmonty

Thread tittle:

Fair to whom?

To those that gain no or much less benefits from their primary attribute and the inherent base stats of their armors compared to the rest:
- Ranger, Monk, Mesmer, Ritualist and Dervish.

Drelias Melaku

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01 Mar 2008 at 19:17 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berek

Bitch bitch bitch bitch, whine whine whine naaaaaag naaag naaaaaag...

Is that ALL we hear about Ursan? if you don't like the skill...Don't use it. Simple as. Or make a Warrior and stop whinin ._.

I don't think you understand what Ursan has done to PvE. Unless I use Ursan, people don't want me for anything, which is why I quit PvE. I can't just "not use it", because then no one lets me in.

PvE is FTL now, and people like you just encourage people like me to stop playing the things I USED to love. Fissure used to be my favorite part of the game, but not with all the Ursan groups running around.

RotteN

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01 Mar 2008 at 19:29 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

To those that gain no or much less benefits from their primary attribute and the inherent base stats of their armors compared to the rest:
- Ranger

besides the fact that they have 70 AL vs physical and 100 AL vs elemental damage ? I think you're seriously underestimating a ranger's AL ...

Lishy

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01 Mar 2008 at 19:36 - 61

Guys,Stfu or they really will remove it from the game.
If you can't get in a noob pug that can't use real builds, that is your own problem.
Besides.Its not like it is overpowered or anything.I can do WAY more damage with Moebius Blossom, and it'd even be AoE.

Just take away their monk and watch them die from the lack from strategy.It is ANYTHING but overpowered!

edit:
Replying to a few posts up:
nErF pAiN iNvErTeR.
wArZ nOt CaStErS!

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01 Mar 2008 at 19:37 - 62

why are you complaining ursan isnt pvp so its not hurting anyone if u think its a dumb skill use a different build, i dont like some stuf but i dont make threads and rant and rave about them.

Lishy

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01 Mar 2008 at 19:41 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeds

why are you complaining ursan isnt pvp so its not hurting anyone if u think its a dumb skill use a different build, i dont like some stuf but i dont make threads and rant and rave about them.

QFT
I think people are just sadistic because they don't have the ability to use close ranged melee weps.

HawkofStorms

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01 Mar 2008 at 19:42 - 64

/notsigned
Ursan doesn't need a buff. And are you serious? You can't quad run with an ele running Ursan? Even with the easiest, most pathetic c-space skill in the game, if you can't succeed, an extra 10-20 armor isn't going to save your butt.

Fatal Fury

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01 Mar 2008 at 20:21 - 65

/not signed, hey u made the choice of making an ele, stick with it or start wokin on a new character (.....a warrior)

Chilos

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01 Mar 2008 at 20:24 - 66

/notsigned

Simply just do Ursan quest and start using Ursan Blessing. It's even free!

Stormlord Alex

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01 Mar 2008 at 20:46 - 67

/signed to removing it from the game/nerfing it out of existence.

I couldn't care less about Ursan itself, it's just... The anti-Ursan QQing is boring me. I wanna read all the QQing by the 'tards who rely on it to beat PvE instead. For a change. For the lulz

llsektorll

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01 Mar 2008 at 20:59 - 68

stop whining idiots... then after the nerf you are gonna cry....

/BIGNOTSIGNED

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01 Mar 2008 at 21:15 - 69

buy a set of armor and put all health buffs on it, solved.
you have more health and the energy bonus of being ele. you dont really need the armor bonus it helps but not nessicary.

Tyla

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01 Mar 2008 at 23:03 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

/signed to removing it from the game/nerfing it out of existence.

I couldn't care less about Ursan itself, it's just... The anti-Ursan QQing is boring me. I wanna read all the QQing by the 'tards who rely on it to beat PvE instead. For a change. For the lulz

QFT.
The "they nerfed ursan!!!" thread QQ will surpass entertainment.

BlackSephir

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02 Mar 2008 at 00:26 - 71

Remove ursan. For Great Justice.

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02 Mar 2008 at 08:24 - 72

/signed Remove it!

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02 Mar 2008 at 08:27 - 73

/notsigned. Change it to Elite skill that lasts 1...5seconds and gives 100...110Hp and recharge time is 15...10secs And im happy!

StormDragonZ

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02 Mar 2008 at 08:29 - 74

Why not just make all the blessings only usable in EotN areas?

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02 Mar 2008 at 08:45 - 75

StormDragonz just gave a good answer to the problem, and I say not EotN, but only in norn areas lol.

/sign because it makes the OP happy ^^ xD.

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02 Mar 2008 at 09:01 - 76

OP should get a lifetime ban from every online game. You want to make Ursan EVEN MORE POWERFUL?

/signed for removing/nerfing it into oblivion. I wonder why you people want a Borg-like groups, where 5 or 6 people have exactly same builds (UB) and 3 are monks with same builds (maybe not in DoA, but everywhere else 3x HB or 2x HB works).

I have a better idea! Give Ursan power to deal 40 armor-ignoring damage with each attack, auto-use AoE KD + damage every 8 seconds and everything that hits ursaner is Weakened for 5 seconds. You also move 33% seconds faster non-stop and you can maintain it for few minutes without any problems.

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02 Mar 2008 at 09:09 - 77

Lmao, why should ursan be buffed in any way shape or form?

also /signed for nerfing it out of the game

Numa Pompilius

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02 Mar 2008 at 09:10 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

@OP: Any Warrior who puts Ursan Blessing on his bar puts themself at a disadvantage by depriving themself of a better build.

No. An empty skillbar with ursan is better than any conceivable warrior skillbar with any other elite. Eviscerate, Dragon Slash... pure crap compared to Ursan. And that's true for all areas of the game.

That's how unbanlanced it is.

Uber Mass

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02 Mar 2008 at 09:21 - 79

you know if they nerf it the threads will change from "Nerf ursan" to "Why did they nerf ursan!!!??!?!?!"

anyway yes nerf the hell out of it...

/signed

Demandred

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02 Mar 2008 at 09:36 - 80

Yeah lets nerf it, its owning everyone in HA

(due to the level of intelect of certain parties on this thread, i will now state that that was a sarcastic remark)