i agree with Demandred if u dont like the skill dont use it ... the only person u'd be hindering is urself.
FFS ITS LIKE SPITEING UR FACE BY CUTTING UR NOSE OFF
Make Ursan Blessing fair
Holy Smite
the_jos
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Could someone please enlighten me and tell me how long a typical HM quad run takes?
Kook~NBK~
/not signed. You can strengthen your armor by getting an axe/sword with a armor +5 mod and then take a Warrior secondary and get a r9 tactics shield and spend some points there. (Or go paragon and use the shield for that). Do that, and you'll have +21 armor.
But, this does put me in mind of another, similar problem...
But, this does put me in mind of another, similar problem...
wraithe
/not signed..i dont want to look like a bear ty..
oh and damn i am on that UB merry go round again..sheesh
oh and damn i am on that UB merry go round again..sheesh
Dr Dimento
Or how about just do away with UB alltogether. It's a ridiculously stupid skill that singlehandedly changed the entire game.
MithranArkanere
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/not signed. You can strengthen your armor by getting an axe/sword with a armor +5 mod and then take a Warrior secondary and get a r9 tactics shield and spend some points there. (Or go paragon and use the shield for that). Do that, and you'll have +21 armor.
But, this does put me in mind of another, similar problem... |
skanvak
Ok, let's answer the main thread :
Do I want the UB to be the same on al proffession? NO, I want a el to be different from a W or from a M. This modification will make every one the same, so making class concept meaningless.
I am pretty much hapy that D get more bonus from Wolven than from UB, at least it will orient them on using Wolven.
Do I want the UB to be the same on al proffession? NO, I want a el to be different from a W or from a M. This modification will make every one the same, so making class concept meaningless.
I am pretty much hapy that D get more bonus from Wolven than from UB, at least it will orient them on using Wolven.
Drelias Melaku
O, I forgot to say that...
/signed for nerfing the hell out of it.
Once again, I must say to you people who say, "you don't have to use it":
I can't tell you how angry all those stupid little no-skill Ursan groups make me. Yes, you DO have to have Ursan to play pretty much anything in PvE, and that makes it completely and utterly BORING. I don't want to spam the same three or four skills every time I want to do a Fissure run. No one accepts non-Ursans anymore. The one time I WAS accepted into a non-Ursan group, one monk saw that we were non-Ursan halfway through the run and rage-quit. Everyone else followed. (That monk couldn't read, because the leader of the party was obviously and clearly looking for NON-URSAN players.)
PLEASE Nerf Ursan so I can go back to doing some PvE and not get called a "n00b" or whatever for playing an actual build.
I bought the game because I like playing games to have fun. What's the point of playing if I can't have fun doing it? In other words, why did you people buy the game if all you're going to do is play a standardized Ursan build?
/signed for nerfing the hell out of it.
Once again, I must say to you people who say, "you don't have to use it":
I can't tell you how angry all those stupid little no-skill Ursan groups make me. Yes, you DO have to have Ursan to play pretty much anything in PvE, and that makes it completely and utterly BORING. I don't want to spam the same three or four skills every time I want to do a Fissure run. No one accepts non-Ursans anymore. The one time I WAS accepted into a non-Ursan group, one monk saw that we were non-Ursan halfway through the run and rage-quit. Everyone else followed. (That monk couldn't read, because the leader of the party was obviously and clearly looking for NON-URSAN players.)
PLEASE Nerf Ursan so I can go back to doing some PvE and not get called a "n00b" or whatever for playing an actual build.
I bought the game because I like playing games to have fun. What's the point of playing if I can't have fun doing it? In other words, why did you people buy the game if all you're going to do is play a standardized Ursan build?
Chrono Re delle Ere
ahah didn't see this topic asking for buffs to ursan....so funny.
Uh and no.
Uh and no.
Alex the Great
this wouldn't be a problem if we just nerfed it to hell....
Molock
Perhaps Anet should simply nerf Ursan into oblivion so that we can start actually "playing" again!!!!
/not signed
/not signed
Tyla
Yeah lets make Ursan Blessing fair....IT ISN'T FAIR ENOUGH YET AMIRITE???
RavagerOfDreams
this thread is...
Kiasyd117
/notsigned
don't balance blessings, make them go away. we don't have 10 classes anymore, we have U/P and U/W.
don't balance blessings, make them go away. we don't have 10 classes anymore, we have U/P and U/W.
Shayne Hawke
Ursan Blessing is a pretty unfair skill for PvE, but I don't see anything wrong in evening it up between all the classes. That doesn't exactly sound like a buff to me. That just sounds like evening odds between classes, making it so that one profession of Ursan wouldn't be preferred over the other.
/signed?
/signed?
DarklingKiller
Jee, while we're at it, we should make Ursan roar do 300 armor ignoring damage. Also, Ursan strike should be able to be used when you are 500 ft. away so you don't risk dying. /end sarcasm
Imo, A-net should just delete this skill.
Imo, A-net should just delete this skill.
MirkoTeran
This suggestion is like "God-mode is not enough, I want to walk trough walls."
Just tell us you are joking. Please.
Just tell us you are joking. Please.
RhanoctJocosa
If ANet don't change Ursan in the next update can you guys just drop it?
Also, fail images are fail.
Also, fail images are fail.
Numa Pompilius
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If ANet don't change Ursan in the next update can you guys just drop it?
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wu is me
Some would say that good skill balance is when, a variety of builds would be equally capable of doing any particular task, assuming optimal usage.
Right now it seems like what's being suggested is that, we throw skill balance out the window, and every 1 assume bear form, and run through the game with that alone.
That would make the game reeeally boring.
Every class might as well be the same then, if you simply adjust ursan to be just as effective for all classes.
Some classes really weren't made for running in and bashing shit, and thats probably a good thing.
I think what really needs to be done, is to have ursan nerfed, so ursan is only as overpowered as other pve skills that the caster classes can use equally effectively. ( that being said, there are some classes that need a lotta lovin in terms of PvE skills in relation to primary attribute )
Right now it seems like what's being suggested is that, we throw skill balance out the window, and every 1 assume bear form, and run through the game with that alone.
That would make the game reeeally boring.
Every class might as well be the same then, if you simply adjust ursan to be just as effective for all classes.
Some classes really weren't made for running in and bashing shit, and thats probably a good thing.
I think what really needs to be done, is to have ursan nerfed, so ursan is only as overpowered as other pve skills that the caster classes can use equally effectively. ( that being said, there are some classes that need a lotta lovin in terms of PvE skills in relation to primary attribute )
MithranArkanere
The purpose of Ursan Blessing was to allow people enter parties regardless of their profession for the start.
How good is it if (some) people start asking for Ele or paragon ursan only?
No. If it ignores profession, it should ignore it COMPLETELY.
How good is it if (some) people start asking for Ele or paragon ursan only?
No. If it ignores profession, it should ignore it COMPLETELY.
IslandHermet
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Ive 8 shields, im switching em to fit the situation, warding sword, prismatic insignias, etc..
I still cant be compared to a warrior. I still cant make that easy money farming gems in DoA. And yeah, i dont like ursan blessing. I just need 150k to buy a FoW armor for my Rt. "All you need is open minded ppl". Bleh.. Open minded guys wont run HM with 3 casters in the team, that would just be suicide. What about necros or mesmer, who have even less armor than me ? I see that many got my idea. MithranArkanere resume it better than me. If Ursan Blessing exists, lets make it convenient for ALL players, not only for warriors. |
Prolly running with pugs?
I have been running DOA runs every weekend for (so long I dont care to remember) the only difference is I never run a pug team or even get random people to join, guildies and alliance people only, and we bring a little bit of everything, most of the time it is me with 2 hero healers(if no guildie monks are on), 1 war, and a few others, derv,mesmers,eles,necros,sins, what ever class people want to bring they bring. as for the builds it is up to them most bring ursan as the elite but never/hardly go into it.
If you want to fix the problem of why people will not take you just dont pug, most to every pug team is cookie cutter this or that and will not change because they do not understand basic game mechanics.
find a DOA guild.
better yet QUIT RUNNING WITH PUG GROUPS.
so much QQing everyone of you could solve your own problems by not going with pugs, and lead your own partys. If you can not lead then follow and Shut up.
it would seem most of you are sheep and for some reason you are looking for a sheep to lead you.
If you do not like to lead then guess what, you get to follow if you do not like to follow then you GTFO and get left behind.
Tyla
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How good is it if (some) people start asking for Ele or paragon ursan only?
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Taking Ursan on a Paragon running that sort of defensive power is retarded to a level I don't even want to state.
Artorius.Maximus
On my ele I have 81 energy (with a shield). I think that I would rather having 40 more energy than a warrior and be able to keep my ursan up the entire time. AT R9, I have total 95 armor now on an ele.
/notsigned
/notsigned
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Paragons have SY/TNTF.
Taking Ursan on a Paragon running that sort of defensive power is retarded to a level I don't even want to state. |
"While the blessing removes enchantments, it will not remove any refrains. Thus, skills like Mending Refrain, Bladeturn Refrain, Burning Refrain or Aggressive Refrain can be kept up indefinitely by consistently using Ursan Roar."
Thats why paragons are good with ursan...
A paragon with ursan benefits from the ursan shouts, it allows gains energy to maintain ursan.
A dervish with ursan benefits from the monk's enchantments (which theyll rely on to survive anyway), giving it energy to maintain ursan.
A necro with ursan uses soul reaping to maintain ursan.
An ele with ursan has a larger energy pool to maintain ursan.
An assasin gains energy with ursan through criticall strikes.
Im unsure if expertise affects the ursan skills...it should though.
A warrior with ursan...pointless, no special benefits.
A mesmer with ursan...pointless, no special benefits.
A monk with ursan...pointless, no special benefits.
As you can see, Ursan still discriminates on classes
HawkofStorms
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A warrior with ursan...pointless, no special benefits. A mesmer with ursan...pointless, no special benefits. A monk with ursan...pointless, no special benefits. As you can see, Ursan still discriminates on classes |
Monk = Can still join Ursan groups as the monk
Mesmer = Well, they've always been screwed. This shouldn't be a big surprise.
Basically, Ursan only discriminates on Mesmers, just like every other build
RoyalPredator
Its true!
Grab a paper and a pen.
Whenever you see an Obsidian armored Monk, Warrior (Chaos gloves, ZoMing Mask, whatever), or Obs. Elementalist, Necro, write a stick.
After playing, match the sticks.
It will be around...200.
Its not fair with the Old players, who farmed hard all the time to get the most rare (Nowadays most common) armor in the game, and look like a Real Hero!
Ursan is not Fair... EOTN blows up the Game.
Grab a paper and a pen.
Whenever you see an Obsidian armored Monk, Warrior (Chaos gloves, ZoMing Mask, whatever), or Obs. Elementalist, Necro, write a stick.
After playing, match the sticks.
It will be around...200.
Its not fair with the Old players, who farmed hard all the time to get the most rare (Nowadays most common) armor in the game, and look like a Real Hero!
Ursan is not Fair... EOTN blows up the Game.
MithranArkanere
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- Warriors have that 100/80 armor.
- Rangers have 70/100 armor.
- Necromancers have Soul Reaping.
- Elementalists have a HUGE energy pool.
- Paragons have a shout in each blessing to use and 80/80 armor.
And othes have NOTHING:
- Monks. Nothing. Nothing at all. They do not even have skills that will stay with then for some seconds like mesmer stances or ritualist spirits.
- Mesmers. What would they use? Mantras? Resistances? They stay for a while and then they disappear. They are not armor or attributes.
- Ritualists. Yeah, they can raise spirits and they effects will stack with Ursan. But Warriors can also use things like Dolyak signet. And pirits cannot move and the PvE skills to teleport them around cannot be used, since you'll have to stop the Ursan blessing to do so and wait it to reload.
- Assassins may have have critical strikes and 70 armor, but while under ursan you are using the skills most of the time, not attacking, it can't compare to other energy gain attributes.
- Dervishes. They depend on other characters using enchantments in them, the wolven enchantments, +25 HP and 70 armor are not enough to stand to other professions with advantages.
Use Equipment to increase armor? The professions with greater advantages can do so too.
There are only two options:
- Change the blessings so they do not replace the slots 6, 7 and 8 with empty slots, so players can bring skills to complement their professions
- Make the blessings ignore profession.
I have one character of each profession, and the current 'stick to one character' feel due to the HoM is enough for me. While under ursan, while under brwaling skills, in event arenas and under any other effects that replace all 8 skills with skills not related to the profession you are currently playing, the professions must be ignored.
Armor and primary attribute, everything else is th same for all cahracters, while under an effect that makes armor or primary attribute useless for one or more profession profession, it should ignore profession or change to stop making that illogically different, giving advantages only to some.
DarklingKiller
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While maintaining the Blessing, that is, in a continuous battle, some profession have base advantages.
- Warriors have that 100/80 armor. - Rangers have 70/100 armor. - Necromancers have Soul Reaping. - Elementalists have a HUGE energy pool. - Paragons have a shout in each blessing to use and 80/80 armor. And othes have NOTHING: - Monks. Nothing. Nothing at all. They do not even have skills that will stay with then for some seconds like mesmer stances or ritualist spirits. - Mesmers. What would they use? Mantras? Resistances? They stay for a while and then they disappear. They are not armor or attributes. - Ritualists. Yeah, they can raise spirits and they effects will stack with Ursan. But Warriors can also use things like Dolyak signet. And pirits cannot move and the PvE skills to teleport them around cannot be used, since you'll have to stop the Ursan blessing to do so and wait it to reload. - Assassins may have have critical strikes and 70 armor, but while under ursan you are using the skills most of the time, not attacking, it can't compare to other energy gain attributes. - Dervishes. They depend on other characters using enchantments in them, the wolven enchantments, +25 HP and 70 armor are not enough to stand to other professions with advantages. Use Equipment to increase armor? The professions with greater advantages can do so too. There are only two options: - Change the blessings so they do not replace the slots 6, 7 and 8 with empty slots, so players can bring skills to complement their professions - Make the blessings ignore profession. I have one character of each profession, and the current 'stick to one character' feel due to the HoM is enough for me. While under ursan, while under brwaling skills, in event arenas and under any other effects that replace all 8 skills with skills not related to the profession you are currently playing, the professions must be ignored. Armor and primary attribute, everything else is th same for all cahracters, while under an effect that makes armor or primary attribute useless for one or more profession profession, it should ignore profession or change to stop making that illogically different, giving advantages only to some. |
Master Sword Keeper
Me + ursan....
Ursan = FAIL
I've discontinued from using it.
It's okay if you have GOOD healers but on it's own, you gotta be a noob with no skill to use it. Use 8 skills and actually play.
/notsigned, /nocared, /notinterested
Who cares.
Ursan = FAIL
I've discontinued from using it.
It's okay if you have GOOD healers but on it's own, you gotta be a noob with no skill to use it. Use 8 skills and actually play.
/notsigned, /nocared, /notinterested
Who cares.
~ Dan ~
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Bitch bitch bitch bitch, whine whine whine naaaaaag naaag naaaaaag...
Is that ALL we hear about Ursan? if you don't like the skill...Don't use it. Simple as. Or make a Warrior and stop whinin ._. |
Numa Pompilius
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So that equates to: you use it. It's all well and dandy that people don't have to use it.
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It's crap. I couldn't have desinged a worse skill had I tried, and there has never in guild wars history been a more broken skill. It is everything Guildwars shouldn't be. And the only reason the farmboys love it is because it allows them to farm elite areas more quickly, and the only reason ANet hasn't nerfed the broken POS yet is because it sells EotN to wannabe farmers.
MithranArkanere
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You say that Ursan should be buffed for caster professions because it's not fair?
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Armor 80 -> Armor 60.
More energy -> No more energy.
Primary attribute givin energy -> Primary attribute set to 0.
The base stats of a level 20 human are:
- 0 armor
- 480 HP
- 20 energy.
- +2 energy regeneration.
Any other differences come from armor or primary attribute ONLY, since any profession can equip any weapon and offhand item.
Then, you must remember that the armor differences are compensated with skill differences.
If you do not allow skill differences while under an effect, then that effect must also ingnore armor differences.
Simple as the mechanism of a bottle.
llsektorll
ursan is the only thing getting me through these damn HM missions... quit complaining.... then if it gets nerfed everyone will complain some more..... ursan was like a gift from ANET to the damn PVE community....
now quit your crying
now quit your crying
Tyla
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ursan is the only thing getting me through these damn HM missions... quit complaining.... then if it gets nerfed everyone will complain some more..... ursan was like a gift from ANET to the damn PVE community....
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It was more of a 'Screw this' to PvE skill balance.
I recall Numa Pompilius saying something along the lines of "I'm a PvE'er myself, but PvE skills ruined it".
Please correct me if I'm wrong, Numa - but I do recall you saying it in some thread...
Orange Milk
LOL, I've never read the words "Is's not fair" sooo many times in my life. Ya'll sound like a pack of 3 year olds that can't have candy for diner.
I personally feel Ursan Blessing needs removed from the game. There are over 1250 Skills in the game, counting "PvE Only" and you really don't need any of those IF you have a high Norn Rank and "Urasn Blessing" Placeing one skill in a bar and adding a Res Sig is not my idea of a build.
It's easy, it's cheap and it's for lazy people that can't come up with builds on their own. Over 1250 skills shit canned.
"It's not fair" has never been nor will it ever be a valid reason for change. So your Ele lacks armor when you use Ursan huh? Well guess what, don't effing use Ursan then, use real skills and You just may find out that there are some armor buffing skills right there for ya in the Elementalist skill lines.
That my take on this "WHAAAAAAAAA" thread
I personally feel Ursan Blessing needs removed from the game. There are over 1250 Skills in the game, counting "PvE Only" and you really don't need any of those IF you have a high Norn Rank and "Urasn Blessing" Placeing one skill in a bar and adding a Res Sig is not my idea of a build.
It's easy, it's cheap and it's for lazy people that can't come up with builds on their own. Over 1250 skills shit canned.
"It's not fair" has never been nor will it ever be a valid reason for change. So your Ele lacks armor when you use Ursan huh? Well guess what, don't effing use Ursan then, use real skills and You just may find out that there are some armor buffing skills right there for ya in the Elementalist skill lines.
That my take on this "WHAAAAAAAAA" thread
Master Sword Keeper
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ursan was like a gift from ANET to the damn PVE community....
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excuse me?! A gift? okay ...
1. Ursan is not a gift, it's a sorry way to try-to-say-sorry for nerfing all the once great skills...
2. The once "DAMNED" PvE community is what used to power guild wars....
aww well. I've switched to PvP coz im tired of ursan and people complaining and all the skill nerfs that continuously destroy builds and farming solutions.
PvP is so much easier. =) PvP ftw.
Yea. URSAN = FAIL
Numa Pompilius
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Lolwut?
It was more of a 'Screw this' to PvE skill balance. I recall Numa Pompilius saying something along the lines of "I'm a PvE'er myself, but PvE skills ruined it". Please correct me if I'm wrong, Numa |
Ursan is worst. It's a dumb skill which teaches and rewards bad playing. I mean, just listen to this
"ursan is the only thing getting me through these damn HM missions..."
There's a problem right there when the only thing getting you through a mission is a skill which turns you into a perma-knockdown rusher wammo on steroids.
the_jos
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And why?
PUGS=fail, the general mantra on most fan forums for years.
Teaming up with random players was and is greatly discouraged by the community, even H&H outperform the average PUG.
How do you expect a player to become better when they can only team up with others who are equally bad at playing their profession?
And when those players were able to enter certain 'elite' areas they find themselves locked out again.
By a community that only plays certain team builds that require certain professions and skills.
In the end people were still not learning to play their profession, they learned a trick. The 'Deep Steel Wall' trick, the 'ToPK B/P trick', the 'Urgoz's trappers trick', the 'DoA [Kaiz] trick'.
Sure, UB kills skill and knowledge.
However, the builds mentioned above were also doing that, only not as much.
And it started with the experienced players deciding PUG=fail.
How could a student ever learn something when there is no teacher around?
furanshisuko
just make a new warrior call it emo the poo :P
max ursan go to doa
max ursan go to doa