Most people will know that being level 20 isn't a real reflection on what level we truly are. If you were to calculate it using experience amounts, its likely a lot of players would be lvl 100+ by now.
Now level means nothing and experience means nothing. I realise and accept this game is about skill primarily and your knowledge of the game. I'm not trying to detract from that or change that in anyway and I apologise if you feel this would.
But would it be so bad is an option existed or some way existed to display our "realistic level" ingame (realistic level being my own term.. if you disagree with that term, please tell me)?
Whether it be as a title, or maybe have the choice to display an icon above your head with a number inside. What ever method is used doesnt really matter as long as it looked nice.
But i've always been curious what other "realistic levels" other playes actually are, and what I am compared to them. Its not a vanity thing personally, or wanting to be better then anyone.
Its curiousity and it doesnt seem a hard thing to impliment. It would just be a caculation made by the game and generating a number based on your experience.
Should we have some way of showing our "real" level ingame?
freekedoutfish
Bryant Again
We already have a system similar to this in the form of titles (most especially ones associated with PvE skills), but in terms of what you mean I don't really see a whole lot against it. It's no different than wearing your R6 KoaBD title.
street peddler
this is something thats going to be in GW2
hurric
it'll just create even more reason for pugs not to accept an experienced player with "low level 20" over a farmer/grinder with level 1000. but don't worry GW2 will have no cap on levels.
I personally hate grind and have 0 maxed titles over 2k hours of play but seems like people enjoy grind titles.
I personally hate grind and have 0 maxed titles over 2k hours of play but seems like people enjoy grind titles.
quickmonty
Titles don't really reflect the amount of experience (or "realistic level") that a character has. Sure, more titles usually equates to more experience, but how much?
Fish's idea sounds good, although I'm sure some will be opposed and think you are just trying to be a snob.
/signed
Fish's idea sounds good, although I'm sure some will be opposed and think you are just trying to be a snob.
/signed
Dylananimus
I don't see anything wrong with the idea to be fair. It's a bit like titles: most of them don't really mean anything, but it's a little show of accomplishment, whether others feel it's so or not.
It would be nice for people who have accumulated a lot of experience points over time, or through large amounts of soloing on one character, to have some way of presenting it. After all, we still get the exp points even after we reach lvl 20. They just stack up, with no real reason, other than to add skill points, which I'm sure most people aren't lacking in if they have a lot of xp.
I personally have too many characters I play as to have a single one with a large or impressive amount of experience points, but I do see the interest in having some way of showing off the hours you've spent on one character.
It would be nice for people who have accumulated a lot of experience points over time, or through large amounts of soloing on one character, to have some way of presenting it. After all, we still get the exp points even after we reach lvl 20. They just stack up, with no real reason, other than to add skill points, which I'm sure most people aren't lacking in if they have a lot of xp.
I personally have too many characters I play as to have a single one with a large or impressive amount of experience points, but I do see the interest in having some way of showing off the hours you've spent on one character.
Antheus
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But i've always been curious what other "realistic levels" other playes actually are, and what I am compared to them. Its not a vanity thing personally, or wanting to be better then anyone.
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Shuuda
Regardless of whether there's a good reason to do so or not, noobs are still going to discrimate and use it to boost E-peen.
Faith Angelis
One million, two million and three million XP emotes?
neighto
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One million, two million and three million XP emotes?
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/notsigned for this.. would just bring more of the rank snubbing that happens in pvp into pve
Kiragi Yagami
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I'm over nine thousand.
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i think its a pretty good idea, though it will certainly increase player elitism.
"ZOMFG NUB YOURE ONLY 2M EXP IM 900M ROFFLE". [/asshole]
maybe some small thing like a title or an emote for experience gained.
Inger
the only problem i could see from this is what some others have already stated above. If someone is "lvl100" in terms of experience while another player is only "lvl50" pugs might be more inclined to take the player with a lvl of 100even though the lvl 50 player might actually have more skill.
That being said i think its decent idea and it would be nice to be able to show the dedication you've put into a character
That being said i think its decent idea and it would be nice to be able to show the dedication you've put into a character
Blu
Sure, btw elitism isn't a problem, who uses PuG's?
Age
You are forgetting there are PvP only char and they don't start gaining XP as they are lvl 20 to start.
mr_groovy
Hmm a title that includes:
Would be interesting. Could be real lvl of account, and real lvl of char.
- Experience
- PlayTime on character
- Total Play time on account
- Titles
- Amount of quests done
- Pvp Faction Amount
Would be interesting. Could be real lvl of account, and real lvl of char.
jimmyboveto
I think it would be pretty cool. I don't think it needs to be a title or anything like that at all. It would be nice just to know.
zwei2stein
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But i've always been curious what other "realistic levels" other playes actually are, and what I am compared to them. Its not a vanity thing personally, or wanting to be better then anyone.
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Jeez, get some self confidence.
(Also, this is quite bad idea for myriads of reasons. No point in such lame e-peen thing)
Savio
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You are forgetting there are PvP only char and they don't start gaining XP as they are lvl 20 to start.
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Ruricu
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I realise and...I apologise
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the only problem i could see from this is what some others have already stated above. If someone is "lvl100" in terms of experience while another player is only "lvl50" pugs might be more inclined to take the player with a lvl of 100even though the lvl 50 player might actually have more skill.
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- Good players don't PUG
- classes like Eles, Monks, and Warriors that were easily solo farmed with during the early stages of the game will almost always have more exp, as opposed to mesmers, who, until recently, had very few PvE options.
- Good players don't PUG
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Sure, btw elitism isn't a problem, who uses PuG's?
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Solange
people will grind like crazy to show they are uber leet cool dudes
i think it can only do negative damage to the game
something similar was done in Asheron's Call except in Asheron's Call you could still raise your stats each level whereas Guild Wars there's a limit
For sure you'll see people showing off i'm level so and so and just a massive grind
i don't like it...
i think it can only do negative damage to the game
something similar was done in Asheron's Call except in Asheron's Call you could still raise your stats each level whereas Guild Wars there's a limit
For sure you'll see people showing off i'm level so and so and just a massive grind
i don't like it...
Eldin
Nah, it'd be like...
"WOTS UR REAL LVL"
"Ninety seven."
"LOL NUB 200+ PLOX"
"WOTS UR REAL LVL"
"Ninety seven."
"LOL NUB 200+ PLOX"
Isileth
Yeah I agree with those saying it wouldnt be good for the game.
As it stands the highest levels would go to those who farm the most, people will start to use it as a way to pick between players when it doesnt represent skill, especially when farming is so easily done.
Also would just lead to a lot of bragging and e-peen stroking.
As it stands the highest levels would go to those who farm the most, people will start to use it as a way to pick between players when it doesnt represent skill, especially when farming is so easily done.
Also would just lead to a lot of bragging and e-peen stroking.
Ruricu
I'm still clueless as to why people PuG anything in PvE, making this whole argument a moot point.
regardless, all /notsigned
regardless, all /notsigned
EmptySkull
They wouldn't change it now. I know it would be cool for people who already have alot of xp. But I'm afraid it would just cause more rank discrimination. Besides they would have to change the way level is gotten by exponentially increasing amount of xp for next level. Currently after virtual level 23 you only need 15000 more xp to get to next level.
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{(current xp-182600)/15000}+23 = virtual level. I think that is right. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.
My ele has 9,960,853xp
9,960,853xp-182600=9778253
9778253/15000=651+23=Level 674
Seems a bit high really.
And I have a low xp compared to alot of the Vets out there.
Just figure out your virtual level and be happy
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{(current xp-182600)/15000}+23 = virtual level. I think that is right. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.
My ele has 9,960,853xp
9,960,853xp-182600=9778253
9778253/15000=651+23=Level 674
Seems a bit high really.
And I have a low xp compared to alot of the Vets out there.
Just figure out your virtual level and be happy
Ruricu
My Olias is a higher "virtual level" than you, and he plays like it too.
Seriously though, what would be the point in adding such a feature? Total EXP is only a product of farming, and players are already rewarded for that with drops. However, I still believe the whole argument is a moot point because most players who PUG PvE are bad, and would have a low "virtual level" anyway.
Seriously though, what would be the point in adding such a feature? Total EXP is only a product of farming, and players are already rewarded for that with drops. However, I still believe the whole argument is a moot point because most players who PUG PvE are bad, and would have a low "virtual level" anyway.
Age
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My PvP warrior has skill points.
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Ruricu
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How many does it have between your RP Warrior not as much I believe and you have to play a lot of RA to gain them as compared to say HA or GvG matches?What good are skill points on PvP char anyway?
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MagmaRed
Eh.... not sure how I feel about it. It isn't a bad idea, but I'm not convinced its a good idea. As mentioned, a person who solo farms hours on end will be a high level than someone who plays every quest/mission/dungeon. My Monk and my Ranger have roughly the same about of experience. My Ranger, however, has more play time, and more titles. My Monk I use for farming, and so it has a huge bonus on XP from that.
Although my Monk has completed all 4 games and done 90% of the quests/dungeons, I see potential for problems. Someone could have 10 million experience on a character they use for farming. That character may be the only one they have, or they may only have 1-2 others. They could easily know little about how the other classes work, how team builds work together, and how quests/missions/dungeons are done. I'd rather not see PUGs take people based on total XP, but they would.
Although my Monk has completed all 4 games and done 90% of the quests/dungeons, I see potential for problems. Someone could have 10 million experience on a character they use for farming. That character may be the only one they have, or they may only have 1-2 others. They could easily know little about how the other classes work, how team builds work together, and how quests/missions/dungeons are done. I'd rather not see PUGs take people based on total XP, but they would.
cosyfiep
your real level is ....20. doesnt matter how many skill points you have, how much xp you have gotten....you have the same attribute points etc as everyone else, maybe you are more skilled at PLAYING the game than a newer person, but thats it.
(and yes some good players DO pug, esp when your guild is not online ---)
(and yes some good players DO pug, esp when your guild is not online ---)
Fluffiliscious
I would just like a way to know what level some of my chars are. I lose count. If there was something in the attribute screen that told your "true" level, that would be nice.
Bryant Again
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Nah, it'd be like...
"WOTS UR REAL LVL" "Ninety seven." "LOL NUB 200+ PLOX" |
Mordakai
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Are you suggesting it isn't already like that with Norn and Lightbringer ranks?
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Plus, with everyone's Alts, it's stupid to assume a player is inexperienced just because their character is....
Malice Black
No.
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LuckyGiant
/not signed
Don't see why some lvl100 farmer should get picked above me. PvE doesn't need rank, can't think of much worse than getting discriminated based on your lvl lol, but its bound to happen, hell I'd take the lvl 100 monk over the lvl 20 - stupid not to.
Don't see why some lvl100 farmer should get picked above me. PvE doesn't need rank, can't think of much worse than getting discriminated based on your lvl lol, but its bound to happen, hell I'd take the lvl 100 monk over the lvl 20 - stupid not to.
HawkofStorms
/notsigned
Pretty much everybody has said why this is a bad idea.
alternative suggestion
Allow us to see it on our hero bar, just for curiousities sake. Do not allow it to be displayed or sent to other players in anyway. That way, people can know what "real" level they are, but don't have to tell others. And if somebody else asks, they can just lie.
Pretty much everybody has said why this is a bad idea.
alternative suggestion
Allow us to see it on our hero bar, just for curiousities sake. Do not allow it to be displayed or sent to other players in anyway. That way, people can know what "real" level they are, but don't have to tell others. And if somebody else asks, they can just lie.
Lady Lozza
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I realise... I apologise...
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For interests sake, I'd love to know my equivalent level however I see no reason to be able to report it to others.
The idea of something like /level would be nice. As I said - no need to actually advertise it.
Bryant Again
Your right, Giant, PvE doesn't need rank - so why are there titles, especially ones that up the damage on your PvE skills? Why should someone who's spent a couple hundred hours doing nothing do more damage than me?
Based on that reasoning, I don't see it any worse. As long as there are no inherent bonuses for being a higher level it'd be fine with me. The game's already overflowing with chances to strengthen and lengthen your e-peen.
Based on that reasoning, I don't see it any worse. As long as there are no inherent bonuses for being a higher level it'd be fine with me. The game's already overflowing with chances to strengthen and lengthen your e-peen.
StormDragonZ
Do the math:
Take the max number of skill points you've earned and subtract 21.
Take the max number of skill points you've earned and subtract 21.
freekedoutfish
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Are you suggesting it isn't already like that with Norn and Lightbringer ranks?
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People really do over react to titles and assume others will judge them on their ranks and they simply dont in pve. If they do, then you tell them to get stuffed and grow up. Yes it may add some dmg or protection points to a pve only skill, but no part of the pve game requires pve only skills to be completed.
I accept there may be some players would turn around and use this function to say "ooo your only lvl50, hahahaha".... but would you honestly want to PUG or even talk to a person like that?
I would just ignore them, leave the pug and find someone else to play with!
This is what guilds are for!
What a lot of people ingame and in society dont realise, is that people only behave with childish attitudes because we allow them to and we allow them inpact and influence us. If you enter a PUG and someone judges you for your title, and you then run out and spend hours farming points to increase it then your bassically letting them win!
Just tell people who try to force builds on you, or force you to increase ranks to get stuffed and grow up! If everyone did that, they would soon realise to stop and just enjoy the game instead of trying to control people.
Mordakai
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Actually it isnt from my experience. Im still yet to see a single PUG not accept a player simple based on their GWEN title rank! The last I checked, people as low as Drawf rank 1 were still being accepted into Glints challenge PUGs and it didnt have any impact at all on whether it won or lost.
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Besides, most people who want higher levels in GW want some advantage to go along with it, so this wouldn't satisfy them either.