Are all the proffessions equal in pve pugs?

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Dr Strangelove
Dr Strangelove
Furnace Stoker
#21
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Originally Posted by aapo
- Rits are really poor. Probably the worst primary profession for PvE. Assassins can do damage, Mesmers have Signet of Illusions and decent PvE skills. Channeling is the only viable tree.
Splinter weapon + ancestor's rage > your face.
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aapo
Wilds Pathfinder
#22
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Splinter weapon + ancestor's rage > your face.
- And you really need Rit primary for this? Splinter Weapon lasts 20 seconds or 1...5 attacks. Spawning Power increases the duration of weapon spells. Can you guess is Splinter Weapon more limited by number of attacks or by its duration? Also Eles and Dervishes deal much more consistent damage than Ancestor's Rage.
Dr Strangelove
Dr Strangelove
Furnace Stoker
#23
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Originally Posted by aapo
- And you really need Rit primary for this? Splinter Weapon lasts 20 seconds or 1...5 attacks. Spawning Power increases the duration of weapon spells. Can you guess is Splinter Weapon more limited by number of attacks or by its duration? Also Eles and Dervishes deal much more consistent damage than Ancestor's Rage.
You run primary rit for the runes. A 14 spec splinter weapon is around 30% more effective than a 12 spec splinter thanks to the extra attack.

Anyway, you can very easily fill a very powerful bar with only channeling, restoration, and PvE skills, so there's not much motivation to run it on another primary.
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Molock
Desert Nomad
#24
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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza
and I'd imagine rits and assassins also have that problem now.
Thats really sad because sins are great in FoW. I had 2 in my groups today and they were tearing up the foes in a matter of seconds

Concerning Ursan, I have never used it and never will... I want it to be removed completely (or nerfed so badly that it is worthless )
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lutz
Jungle Guide
#25
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
For PuGs:

Monk > Ele > Warrior > Necro > Everything else

In terms of actual effectiveness:

Paragon > Rit > Warrior > other physicals > other casters > Mesmer
Paragons are pretty bad. If I wanted good DPS and defense, I would have brought a Mind Blast warder. Thanks.

Monks are pretty much the only profession that can prot. So, Monk > all.
Be worse at the game.
Razz Thom
Razz Thom
Frost Gate Guardian
#26
holy cow..............
i thought i'd never see it...........

another ursanQQway thread.......

the only people who truly want this skill nerfed or removed are leetist jerks who want DOA UW and FOW back to themselves and they will say anything to get it back that way. If you aren't discriminated against over Ursan, you will be over not being one of the holy trinity or not being experienced enough anyway. Plz god let it alone and plz let these QQ threads stop already.

A-Net plz give the leetists back their crutch so whilr they are in their basements wishing for a life, they can at least FEEL Uber for a little while.
street peddler
street peddler
Wilds Pathfinder
#27
lol someone said paragons are bad in pve
Dr Strangelove
Dr Strangelove
Furnace Stoker
#28
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Originally Posted by lutz
Paragons are pretty bad. If I wanted good DPS and defense, I would have brought a Mind Blast warder. Thanks.

Monks are pretty much the only profession that can prot. So, Monk > all.
Be worse at the game.
There's Nothing to Fear! and Save Yourselves! would like to have a word with you.
Esan
Esan
Jungle Guide
#29
There are only two professions that are actually useless in PvE: ranger and mesmer. Ranger because a Rt/R can outdamage and outinterrupt it, and mesmer because secondary mesmers can do their work just as well (usually better) in PvE.

Warrior is near useless, but there is the one Dragon Slash/"Save Yourselves!" build that is still good enough to redeem the class.
[riVen]
[riVen]
Krytan Explorer
#30
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Originally Posted by aapo
AAAAAaaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa aaaaaaRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my ****ing goodness you are ******. Why on the bloody hell do you want to join Ursanway group without Ursan Blessing? And like when group asks for Monk do you get your wammo and start argumenting that "it's like a monk just W primary, I got 8 healing skills"? Start your own noob group for profession viability. Chances are, not many people want to join. Why's that? Because PUGs SUCK and people usually want to get STUFF DONE and NOT FAIL.
O_o You have issues.



Anyway... it's really simple. If you, for some reason, have to pug, then you'll have to accept the fact that you can't always run what you might like. You'll have to adjust. If you do want to run what you want to, then play with guildies/friends etc. Simple, no?

zzZZzzzzz
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Zahr Dalsk
Grotto Attendant
#31
On the subject of profession equality, here's what I currently see as the PUG balance of desirable classes...

Monk - This one's obvious, it is the most sought out class in most groups.
Elementalist - Nukers are sought out as well and most PuGs think that Elementalist is the only nuker.
Warrior - Most PuGs think that the average PvE area actually needs a tank. IMO only the toughest of elite missions need a tank, and even then an Elementalist works just as well or better.
Necromancer - Minion Master.
Ranger - Interrupts.
Dervish - Seen as similar to Warrior by most PuGs.
Ritualist - Can sometimes get in as a healer.
Assassin - Seems to be only taken when there is a deficit of warriors and dervishes.
Mesmer - Taken when no rangers are in sight and a mission needs an interrupter, even then not always taken.
Paragon - Nobody seems to want them because most PuGs don't have the faintest idea how the class works.

Just some random stuff, take it with a grain of salt.
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lutz
Jungle Guide
#32
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
There's Nothing to Fear! and Save Yourselves! would like to have a word with you.
Oh okay you're bad. A bonder with "Save Yourselves!" is pretty much win.
Dr Strangelove
Dr Strangelove
Furnace Stoker
#33
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Originally Posted by lutz
Oh okay you're bad. A bonder with "Save Yourselves!" is pretty much win.
If 30ish% unconditional damage reduction, party healing, +100 AL for the whole party, and a ton of damage is bad, call me captain scrub.
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lutz
Jungle Guide
#34
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
If 30ish% unconditional damage reduction, party healing, +100 AL for the whole party, and a ton of damage is bad, call me captain scrub.
You don't need anything except "Save Yourselves"; a paragon is a waste of time. "There's Nothing to Fear!" is not worth bringing when you already have "Save Yourselves!", which can be done on any W secondary (bonder).

Paragons do much less damage than other classes. Much, much, much less damage.

Yes, you are captain scrub.
Crom The Pale
Crom The Pale
Furnace Stoker
#35
Necros are one of the most powerfull and versitile classes in all of GW.

If someone asks you to run Ursan Blessing just laugh in their face and move onto a good party.

[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Price of Failure[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Enfeeble[/skill]

I would rather have a necro with that half skill bar than an UB necro any day in any map.
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Whiskeyjack
Frost Gate Guardian
#36
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Originally Posted by lutz
You don't need anything except "Save Yourselves"; a paragon is a waste of time. "There's Nothing to Fear!" is not worth bringing when you already have "Save Yourselves!", which can be done on any W secondary (bonder).

Paragons do much less damage than other classes. Much, much, much less damage.
Except a bonder is a waste of a party slot and paragon's have comparable dps to a warrior, but you knew that right?


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Yes, you are captain scrub.
Irony FTW.
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Zahr Dalsk
Grotto Attendant
#37
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Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack
a bonder is a waste of a party slot
I laughed at that.
LightningHell
LightningHell
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#38
It is, though. If you actually need a bonder, chances are your party sucks.

In the history of GW, physicals have been the pinnacle of damage dealers. The Paragon is a physical damage class as well as a class that buffs other physicals. What's not to like?

If anything, than Assassin and Mesmer would probably be worst.
Racthoh
Racthoh
Did I hear 7 heroes?
#39
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Originally Posted by lutz
Paragons are pretty bad. If I wanted good DPS and defense, I would have brought a Mind Blast warder. Thanks.
A ward is not going to provide anywhere near as much defense as a paragon, and your damage will not be better unless you're balling large groups of enemies for Rodgort's. At which point I'd rather have a rit for Splinter Weapon since it's better.

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Originally Posted by lutz
You don't need anything except "Save Yourselves"; a paragon is a waste of time. "There's Nothing to Fear!" is not worth bringing when you already have "Save Yourselves!", which can be done on any W secondary (bonder).
You're basically devoting that entire character slot just for defense when you can use a paragon to provide more defense with offense. SY is not going to reduce armour ignoring damage either, TNTF will. Let's also not forget that it gives a party wide heal when the duration expires.

Bonders as a whole are fairly worthless. Devoting skill slots on a monk to reduce the damage done by physicals when you can just chain Aegis or slap Weakness on a mob's face.

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Originally Posted by Esan
Ranger because a Rt/R can outdamage and outinterrupt it, and mesmer because secondary mesmers can do their work just as well (usually better) in PvE.
I never see Rt/R with Broad Head Arrow, one of the best skills to use in PvE. I don't need to have a lot of damage when one skill completely shuts down a priority target.

Mesmers are really not all that bad. The domination line is very useful for taking out targets that matter. They just don't see play because players value AoE more than anything.
Skyy High
Skyy High
Furnace Stoker
#40
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Originally Posted by aapo
AAAAAaaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaa aaaaaaRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my ****ing goodness you are ******. Why on the bloody hell do you want to join Ursanway group without Ursan Blessing? And like when group asks for Monk do you get your wammo and start argumenting that "it's like a monk just W primary, I got 8 healing skills"? Start your own noob group for profession viability. Chances are, not many people want to join. Why's that? Because PUGs SUCK and people usually want to get STUFF DONE and NOT FAIL.
Anyone else find it funny that the "noob group" is now defined as one where people actually play as their own professions, with some modicum of skill required to get through the area?

Also...lol @ bonder with Save Yourselves! How is he gaining 8 adrenaline every ~4 seconds?