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Biostem

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24 Feb 2008 at 04:38 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Guns or no guns in this game is a personal preference.

At this point though the technology has already been discovered by the luxons, namely the 'siege turtle'.

As you can see on the pic it has a cannon, a stack of (jade) balls and I see some barrels hanging, common sense makes me think about gunpowder or a magical powder of some sort. There's a stair at the back of the turtle that leads to the back of the cannon to ignite it.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Siege_Turtle.jpg

So we have a powder cannon in the game. A powder gun would possibly fit imo but nothing more at this point.

The point I keep raising is that they *do* have cannons, but they are only implemented when you have a big, stable platform to put them on. The jump from a basic smoothbore cannon on the back of a giant turtle, to a handheld device w/ a decent rate of fire, if a huge one. I'd be more inclined to see the cartoon-esque black iron ball bombs being lobbed by some sort of alchemist-class.

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24 Feb 2008 at 04:47 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

The point I keep raising is that they *do* have cannons, but they are only implemented when you have a big, stable platform to put them on. The jump from a basic smoothbore cannon on the back of a giant turtle, to a handheld device w/ a decent rate of fire, if a huge one. I'd be more inclined to see the cartoon-esque black iron ball bombs being lobbed by some sort of alchemist-class.

Yes it is what it is. We might aswell had that alchemist or whatever class that uses a powder gun. He might shoot with small jade balls and a small dosis of the powder using a hand held version in stone or iron, at least primitive. It's not quite unthinkable if you know what I mean.

He could have had a spell like 'elixir of explosion' (like for example in the movie 300) with the same dmg stuff like 'putrid explosion'. Just having some fantasy fun here.

kerpall

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24 Feb 2008 at 05:04 - 243

You guys are focusing on powder based guns too much. Remember in GW2 , cantha was cut-off. The luxons were defeated , along side the kurzick, by the New emporer.

The only source of gun (unless they smuggles luxon technology b4 they died, into tyria) would be some sort of crystal, similar to that which powers G.O.L.E.M.'s . The crystals basically act as a energy source, and they designed a way to exctract that energy and direct it.

This is 200 years of war (rise of undead, and orr), and 200 years of technological development. IF humans had no contact with the asura (and their advanced technology) then maybe powder based hand-held firearms would be what they could use. But why go for the lower tech technology, when you have Asuran scientists who have designed magical-high-tech items?

Biostem

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24 Feb 2008 at 05:08 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerpall

You guys are focusing on powder based guns too much. Remember in GW2 , cantha was cut-off. The luxons were defeated , along side the kurzick, by the New emporer.

The only source of gun (unless they smuggles luxon technology b4 they died, into tyria) would be some sort of crystal, similar to that which powers G.O.L.E.M.'s . The crystals basically act as a energy source, and they designed a way to exctract that energy and direct it.

This is 200 years of war (rise of undead, and orr), and 200 years of technological development. IF humans had no contact with the asura (and their advanced technology) then maybe powder based hand-held firearms would be what they could use. But why go for the lower tech technology, when you have Asuran scientists who have designed magical-high-tech items?

You sort of hit on my point; if you had the choice of a musket which requires powder and iron balls, or some Asuran weapon that you basically point and a bolt of lightning shoots out, which would you pick? Used w/ the proper combination of skills, even "wanding" can be quite effective.

Nevin

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24 Feb 2008 at 05:13 - 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

The point I keep raising is that they *do* have cannons, but they are only implemented when you have a big, stable platform to put them on. The jump from a basic smoothbore cannon on the back of a giant turtle, to a handheld device w/ a decent rate of fire, if a huge one. I'd be more inclined to see the cartoon-esque black iron ball bombs being lobbed by some sort of alchemist-class.

Like those persian "wizards" from 300. Sorry couldn't resist.

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Gun Pierson

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24 Feb 2008 at 05:14 - 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerpall

You guys are focusing on powder based guns too much. Remember in GW2 , cantha was cut-off. The luxons were defeated , along side the kurzick, by the New emporer.

I thought we were talking about GW1. Just saying if the luxons have that cannon, they might aswell had a hand version, but they don't and there is no profession for it. Devs choice.

Also about that choice of the far superior weapon. It would also be possible to use just both. You know, throw everything you got at the enemy. Help from asuran technology, from luxon technology whatever.

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24 Feb 2008 at 05:16 - 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

You sort of hit on my point; if you had the choice of a musket which requires powder and iron balls, or some Asuran weapon that you basically point and a bolt of lightning shoots out, which would you pick? Used w/ the proper combination of skills, even "wanding" can be quite effective.

Although there are skills like "splinter weapon" to assist attacks, wanding alone doesnt have any skills specific to wands (there are no Wanding Mastery skills to increase damage per hit). While a firearm (or laser shooter, or somthing) would have skills specific to it (Bow mastery / Gun mastery / etc).

You cannot use a skill like "Power Shot" on a wand, it's bow related only.

This is what i'm looking for, a gun-like weapon, that has gun-like specific skills, or shares skills with the bow.

Rexion

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24 Feb 2008 at 05:43 - 248

great... sins w/ daggers... AND bazookas?
no.

eles w/ Searing Flame... AND Rocket Launchers?
no.

Rangers w/ Barrage... AND machine guns?
no.

nonononononononono. i do not approve.

arcanemacabre

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24 Feb 2008 at 06:08 - 249

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexion

nonononononononono. i do not approve.

Awesome, I don't approve of those things, either. But then again, that's not what this is about. Maybe read the thread?

[M]agna_[C]arta

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24 Feb 2008 at 06:34 - 250

Do I have to repeat, The Firearm I am talking bout are Muskets or Magic-Powered Firearm.
Not Bazookas or Shotguns, Adding Bazookas and Shotguns would just be senseless, And yes I understand adding Modern Tech isn't good for GW.
That's why I am talking bout Old-Age Firearm

Were talking bout GW2, Gun Pierson.

And not just only Luxons, Dwarves and Asuras are the only ones who could make Firearm.
Any race could just get Gunpowder or Create Gunpowder, and make a Gun, There was never ever written that Gunpowder was just Limited to Dwarves nor Luxons.
Crystal Ammo, Bullet Ammo, all are possible, Gunpowder is Scatter allover the Shiverpeaks and we Magical Crystals are allover Tyria.

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24 Feb 2008 at 07:13 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Do I have to repeat, The Firearm I am talking bout are Muskets or Magic-Powered Firearm.
Not Bazookas or Shotguns, Adding Bazookas and Shotguns would just be senseless, And yes I understand adding Modern Tech isn't good for GW.
That's why I am talking bout Old-Age Firearm

Were talking bout GW2, Gun Pierson.

And not just only Luxons, Dwarves and Asuras are the only ones who could make Firearm.
Any race could just get Gunpowder or Create Gunpowder, and make a Gun, There was never ever written that Gunpowder was just Limited to Dwarves nor Luxons.
Crystal Ammo, Bullet Ammo, all are possible, Gunpowder is Scatter allover the Shiverpeaks and we Magical Crystals are allover Tyria.

You shouldnt have to explain yourself to 'tards like Rexion lol. They'll figure out how dumb their post is (and how much they are themselves) once they take the time to read the rest of the thread ...

EDIT 12:45 am: (This bottom half is non-related to top half) i just didnt want to post 2 times in a row. (agreeing with pierson, the 'tard comment is directed @ rexion)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Also about that choice of the far superior weapon. It would also be possible to use just both. You know, throw everything you got at the enemy. Help from asuran technology, from luxon technology whatever.

Powder propelled crystalls, that explode on impact from released energy

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[M]agna_[C]arta

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24 Feb 2008 at 08:11 - 252

Don't be harsh on Pierson.
It was just a Foolish Human Flaw.

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24 Feb 2008 at 16:27 - 253

and you're saying your post isn't?

[M]agna_[C]arta

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24 Feb 2008 at 21:42 - 254

Quote:

Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Please Quote my Post^^.
And how are you sure people would get tired of Guns.
And what's the diff with other Weaponry, And no one would be tired of it.
How can a person get tired of Guns, If they don't get tired of Swords, Bows and Staves, why should Guns be exhausting?

What you said seems illogical.

And if you hate guns then don't get guns, Same as like "I don't want to be a Necro I wanna be a Good-Loving Monk" XP.

I used Illogical, not Stupidic, Moronic or anything above the Lowest Degree of Stupidity(Insult)^^.
What's a Harsh there?

zidane888

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24 Feb 2008 at 22:15 - 255

I think guns belong in the world 0f GW(2) about as much as they would have in the Lord of the Ring Trilogy. To me it would be an absolute immersion breaker.

the LOTR takes place over a good period of time (an argument that was brought up for bringing guns into gw2), and some elements (such as explosive powder) are used, but you don't see an army of orcs with mini- grenades. It just doesn't fit in that lore.

Same with Guildwars. Guildwars is a game based arround melee fights, and magic. Guns just don't fit, even as cool and suposedly fitting people make them out to be.

The last thing I would want to see is an army of sword weilding warriors charging up to a castle being defended by ranger with muskets. I for one would be hugely dissapointed if I saw that.

MithranArkanere

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24 Feb 2008 at 22:33 - 256

Everything's more fun when you can fire a blunderbuss.

JeniM

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24 Feb 2008 at 22:34 - 257

They should make GW2 a MMOFPS with guns

On a serious note i don't think guns should be in GWs. Nor should crossbows or anything else mechanical (I personally don't like the G.O.L.E.M's as they are to near the line of technology for my liking)
I love bows, swords and magic and adding dragons to that mix in GW2 will make it seem like a proper Middle Ages St George story (he's the English guy that slayed a dragon not that any English people actually celebrate it

)
It would take the edge off the Dragons attacking if we have AA guns, even the powder weapons your talking about or ------- Asura with ------- laser beams attached to their ------ heads (sorry just watched Austin Powers also didn't know gurus stance on the word used) would ruin the moment for me. Maybe having some weapon of mass destruction we have to make to kill the dragons could happen, but then the Americans might invade us (not sure if Tyria has oil though)

[M]agna_[C]arta

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24 Feb 2008 at 23:19 - 258

Why people keep talking bout MMOFPS? What bout it?
They would always add, MMOFPS, I don't get the point.

You guys are too Pessimistic, Firearms wouldn't destroy GW2.
You will, Cause if they ever add Firearms in GW, you guys would get into Tantrums.
Firearms would never destroy Gameplay nor Lore.
It is totally possible to have Firearms in GW and GW2(Lore).
Gameplay, it's easily Ballanceble, and we can still keep Bows.
But each has to make Pros and Cons, which would ballance both of them.
And you guys would rather have Bows than Guns, right?
So then the Bow Era would still Live-on.
Trust me guys it isn't Firearms which would destroy GW2, You will if you keep up that Mentality.

Shadowmere

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25 Feb 2008 at 01:05 - 259

Why does everyone insist on ignoring the original post, and assuming the "guns" the OP wants are this

When they actually mean something like this

Hopefully putting it in picture form will straighten out more posters here.
Again
PIC 1: What you play a FPS for
PIC 2: What the OP would like for GW2

[M]agna_[C]arta

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25 Feb 2008 at 01:15 - 260

Thank You^^!
I really needed a pic to show what I really meant^^.

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25 Feb 2008 at 02:02 - 261

I agree with Shadowmere, as soon as people here "gun" , they think freaking machine guns and 50 cal AA's.

We are advancing 200 years , not like 2000 years guys.

Pipe + powder + rock = wow a basic gun :O.
All of the ingredients are readily available in gw, its just a matter of time until some retard decides to mix them together.

BTW in no where in guildwars has anyone developed laser technology. For those of you who don't fully understand laser it is a Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation .

Asurans HAVE however developed technology relient on abstracting energy from crystals. Pure energy (and or some kind of magical energy that relates to lore) is much different than light.

Lasers require electrical technology (much like that we use in society everday), while this Magical energy is simply from a magical stone. If someone gets to close to the stone, it releases the eenrgy and "zaps" you.

[M]agna_[C]arta

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26 Feb 2008 at 10:17 - 262

Does the Firearm(Affirmative) Team win this Debate^^?

arcanemacabre

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26 Feb 2008 at 10:49 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Does the Firearm(Affirmative) Team win this Debate^^?

Nothing to win - it's a discussion.

BlackSephir

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26 Feb 2008 at 11:09 - 264

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerpall

I agree with Shadowmere, as soon as people here "gun" , they think freaking machine guns and 50 cal AA's.

We are advancing 200 years , not like 2000 years guys.

Pipe + powder + rock = wow a basic gun :O.
All of the ingredients are readily available in gw, its just a matter of time until some retard decides to mix them together.

And for what purpose?
Because, y'know, we're advancing 200 years in a world where magic exists. Why the hell would anyone try to make a car, when you have teleportation spells, portals and other stuff like that?
And why would you try to make a shitty gun if you already have Flare?

arcanemacabre

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26 Feb 2008 at 11:22 - 265

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

And why would you try to make a shitty bow if you already have Flare?

Changed to show how poor the argument is.

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26 Feb 2008 at 11:50 - 266

lol gun, guns lead to violence, and GW is strictly...violent

but no

BlackSephir

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26 Feb 2008 at 13:13 - 267

Quote:

Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Changed to show how poor the argument is.

Right, because bows and fantasy don't mix up.
Right'o!
[Cause bows aren't used for interrupts and conditions in GW, mirite?]

arcanemacabre

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26 Feb 2008 at 14:19 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Right, because bows and fantasy don't mix up.
Right'o!
[Cause bows aren't used for interrupts and conditions in GW, mirite?]

What has that to do with your argument? Or are you changing it now to "it doesn't fit fantasy?" And you're throwing in that bows are used for interrupts and conditions why? You have completely lost me.

MithranArkanere

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26 Feb 2008 at 14:22 - 269

And other spells can cause conditions an interruptions too. Again an invalid argument.

Bows mix with fantasy as good as guns do.

Because there is something about fantasy you must know: IT HAS NO LIMITS.

This is one of the best examples of Fantasy guns:
http://www.myimportstore.com/store/i...s/gunblade.jpg

And it WAY more futuristic than a musket or a blunderbuss.

Alicendre

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26 Feb 2008 at 14:23 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Right, because bows and fantasy don't mix up.
Right'o!
[Cause bows aren't used for interrupts and conditions in GW, mirite?]

Lots of fantasy games use guns.

First example that comes in mind : Warhammer. You probably can't find anything more stereotyped-fantasy-esque...

And spells can interrupt or give conditions.

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26 Feb 2008 at 15:11 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Right, because bows and fantasy don't mix up.
Right'o!
[Cause bows aren't used for interrupts and conditions in GW, mirite?]

You act like your reply is relevant to the point he made.

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26 Feb 2008 at 15:12 - 272

AK-47's for EVERYONE!
I would like the catapults in thunderhead keep to become howitzers, that would be FUN.

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26 Feb 2008 at 15:41 - 273

^ He's already said old school guns or magical only. What is this? Day of stupid?

Depend on the game setting though if done right, then stuff like musket rifle or old times 6 shooter can fit it rather nicely. Also GW already have gunpowder cannon.

It's always an awesome sign to see 20+ musketeers line up and blast away in sword of the new world's colonies war.

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26 Feb 2008 at 15:44 - 274

Guns in GW would be ANets official "jumping the shark" moment and would begin the demise of GW. It is so outside what GW is about that it would begin the death thralls of the game.

It's not a question of whether it could be done, but whether it should be done.

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26 Feb 2008 at 15:56 - 275

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

^ He's already said old school guns or magical only. What is this? Day of stupid?

You' re boring, I' m dreaming of siege turtles with Stinger missiles

arcanemacabre

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26 Feb 2008 at 16:04 - 276

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Guns in GW would be ANets official "jumping the shark" moment and would begin the demise of GW. It is so outside what GW is about that it would begin the death thralls of the game.

Why ?

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26 Feb 2008 at 16:04 - 277

No for firearms Go play FPS Frag games if you want guns imo

Shadowmere

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26 Feb 2008 at 16:55 - 278

Gah! So much for the picto-gram simplifying things for everyone to understand. must've been cuz it was so low on the last page...

seriously am I going to have to start quoting my picto-post on the last page just so everyone gets what we're talking about?

p.s. I do appreciate maximus being a bit silly

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27 Feb 2008 at 00:11 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

I used Illogical, not Stupidic, Moronic or anything above the Lowest Degree of Stupidity(Insult)^^.
What's a Harsh there?

I'm not saying there is a "harsh" I meant making this thread is a human flaw

kerpall

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27 Feb 2008 at 00:24 - 280

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleikki

No for firearms Go play FPS Frag games if you want guns imo

WTF is with fps suggestions!

fps = first person shooter
gw = 3rd person view, YES there are games out there that utilize 3rd person view with guns. They have bows in GW, does it make the screen go into first person? NO -_- .

There are tonnes of mmorpg's that utilize guns.

You see gun, and you assume that we are sugesting to make guildwars like "Call of duty 4" or somthing. I Believe we have gotten past futuristic weapons, and modern ones already. Thus leaving the classical ones, and magical ones. Classical being mortars, small cannons, muskets, flintlocks, etc. Magical simply being somthing that would use energized crystals (like that in G.O.L.E.M.s), or some other magical gem in the GW lore (blood stones, etc).

Sure maybe we wont be able to use the guns, but you are horribly mistaken if you believe you won't see atleast one gun-related weapon on a NPC in GW2.

Heck, i definately do not doubt if GOLEMs were armed with some more Crystal-based technology. Plus the undead Orr navy that controls the sea, you think they will throw axes at you? They are bound to have some sort of fire-arm technology.

What do you think bottle rockets, and Fireworks are made of O.o ? All you gotta do is shoot one from inside a pipe, and WOW! You just made a RPG / Grenade launcher / Rocket launcher/ etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSephir

And for what purpose?
Because, y'know, we're advancing 200 years in a world where magic exists. Why the hell would anyone try to make a car, when you have teleportation spells, portals and other stuff like that?
And why would you try to make a shitty gun if you already have Flare?

Let me put it this way, Why the hel lwould you equip an elementalist with a gun O.o . NOT EVERYONE IN GW2 WILL BE AN ELEMENTALIST, does that breech your skull. (Now look what you've done, i've resorted to caps to try to break through the stupidity).

Guns would be for a whole NEW class, or simply accessable by npc's only.
Why do we use swords, and bows in a world of magic? Does not Flare, as you put it, beat a gun? Because a gun certaintly beats a bow.
So Flare > Gun > Bow ? Umm we already have bows in gw, so that defeats your arguement.

And I'm pretty sure Meteor would 1-hit kill any Wammo.