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Celestial_Kitsune

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23 Feb 2008 at 01:34 - 361

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No, you are so wrong.

But it tastes so right! :P

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It all depends on what you want to do.

Indeed.

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Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 02:19 - 362

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Originally Posted by Yichi

TL,DR

Of course a PvPer would stand up for PvP, hmm?

I can't really stand PvP so I don't play PvP. I don't care if you like PvP, go ahead and play it, just don't try to stuff your "PvPers are better than PvEers" crap down my throat. There are many things that are obviously wrong with the current PvP community, but if you don't want to believe, that's fine with me. You can go ahead and continue the vicious cycle.

Bryant Again

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23 Feb 2008 at 02:43 - 363

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Of course a PvPer would stand up for PvP, hmm?

You really have nothing left, do you?

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

There are many things that are obviously wrong with the current PvP community, but if you don't want to believe, that's fine with me.

Both sides are equally filled with idiots. Yes there are asshats in PvP, and there are just as many asshats in PvE. Overall, though, you missed the point of Yichi's post.

Nevin

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23 Feb 2008 at 02:43 - 364

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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune

"

Sums up the majority of posters in this thread.

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 02:48 - 365

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You really have nothing left, do you?

Just pointing out the obvious. <3

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Both sides are equally filled with idiots. Yes there are asshats in PvP, and there are just as many asshats in PvE. Overall, though, you missed the point of Yichi's post.

And what's his point? That PvEers are worthless trash? I already know his point, and it's pretty much false.

Bryant Again

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23 Feb 2008 at 02:56 - 366

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Just pointing out the obvious. <3

What do you expect?

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

And what's his point? That PvEers are worthless trash?

Read again~

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:01 - 367

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

What do you expect?

That it would be somewhat easier to notice when something is obvious...

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Read again~

Well, whenever I have to read something incredibly boring or false, my mind wanders. I can't pay attention, and before you know it I'm off doing something else.

I know who Yichi is, and I know that people like him think that PvEers are dirt. I don't really think anything he'd say would be benefitial in this situation.

Yichi

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:06 - 368

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Well, whenever I have to read something incredibly boring or false, my mind wanders. I can't pay attention, and before you know it I'm off doing something else.

stop reading what you post for the most part and your problem would be solved...

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I know who Yichi is, and I know that people like him think that PvEers are dirt. I don't really think anything he'd say would be benefitial in this situation.

apparently you don't know me...

Bryant Again

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:08 - 369

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

That it would be somewhat easier to notice when something is obvious...

Well no shit. You're insulting the PvP community, of course a PvP player is going to object to you.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Well, whenever I have to read something incredibly boring or false, my mind wanders. I can't pay attention, and before you know it I'm off doing something else.

He is providing very helpful information. He may be a little "harsh," but giving what you've been labelling the PvPers as I don't think it's unwarrented.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I know who Yichi is, and I know that people like him think that PvEers are dirt.

Wrong.

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:10 - 370

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Originally Posted by Yichi

stop reading what you post for the most part and your problem would be solved...

I have absolutely no trouble reading over what I write. I usually have to do it because of spell checks, grammar checks, missed words... the usual. And worse, I'm usually posting while I play Guild Wars...fighting Tortureweb Dryders while posting isn't exactly a cakewalk, but that's what happens with me.

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Originally Posted by Yichi

apparently you don't know me...

Yes, neither do I need to. :>

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Well no shit. You're insulting the PvP community, of course a PvP player is going to object to you.

Earlier on there were PvPers insulting the PvE community. But I guess that's fine with you, eh?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

He is providing very helpful information. He may be a little "harsh," but giving what you've been labelling the PvPers as I don't think it's unwarrented.

I don't really see how it's helpful.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Wrong.

I'm not completely oblivious to some of the nuances that I see on guru.

Yichi

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Dark Alley [dR]

23 Feb 2008 at 03:15 - 371

again you failed and missed the point, but I think the majority of this thread's readers are used to it by now...

Here's my question. You're so eager to completely jump the ass of every pvp player in the game because you simply don't have a taste for PvP in the game, which is fine. I have never once insinuated that you had to play only Pve or PvP, neither did anyone else. But the question lies in this: Given the random amount of false, misleading, overconfident "I'm right, you're wrong because you don't agree with me or you're a PvP player" that you've decided to spout off throughout this entire thread, how do you not come off as the other end of the spectrum in that you're a PvE player, who only sees the random bullshit of some 13yr old prick who thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and not have an elitest "I'm a Prick" attitude that you've had in almost every one of your posts?

yes I knwo this is a long question and you probably won't read this one either so cliffnotes for you:

How are you not being an elitest prick as well?

Bryant Again

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:18 - 372

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Earlier on there were PvPers insulting the PvE community. But I guess that's fine with you, eh?

No, I don't deal with obvious trolls. Don't put words into my mouth.

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I don't really see how it's helpful.

Well you didn't read it, so I can understand.

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:20 - 373

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Originally Posted by Dictionary

elitist: someone who believes in rule by an elite group

I don't think that PvP or PvE should "rule" each other. Ideally, the game should be 50-50. The PvPers can play how they like, the PvEers can play how they like.

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elitism: The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

Nowhere did I say that PvEers should be favored over the PvPers. My belief is that if you want to PvP, go ahead. If you want to PvE, go ahead. If you want to dance naked in presearing ascalon, go ahead, but that won't get you anywhere.

From those definitions, how am I elitist?

Yichi

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:24 - 374

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

From those definitions, how am I elitist?

But yet because I play PvP more than I play PvE, you felt free to label me as one...

so again back to my question I posed to you...

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:26 - 375

I've seen several of your posts, they're all rather condescending.

If I was an elitist prick like you say, I probably wouldn't be in my current guild.

Yichi

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Dark Alley [dR]

23 Feb 2008 at 03:30 - 376

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I've seen several of your posts, they're all rather condescending.

do I honestly need to go re-link every post you've made in this thread...

seriously stop avoiding the obvious and grasping for straws.

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:33 - 377

...I just gave you three answers.

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Originally Posted by Dictionary

elitist: someone who believes in rule by an elite group

I don't think that PvP or PvE should "rule" each other. Ideally, the game should be 50-50. The PvPers can play how they like, the PvEers can play how they like.

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Originally Posted by Dictionary

elitism: The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

Nowhere did I say that PvEers should be favored over the PvPers. My belief is that if you want to PvP, go ahead. If you want to PvE, go ahead. If you want to dance naked in presearing ascalon, go ahead, but that won't get you anywhere.

And if I was an elitist prick I doubt I'd still be in my guild.

Yichi

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Dark Alley [dR]

23 Feb 2008 at 03:36 - 378

ok since you're avoiding actually comprehending the question, I'll re-post it in simpler terms for you:

You say that you don't read things that are misleading or false and criticize anyone that has the so called "elitest" attitude that you have had bad experiences with, but yet when someone comes along and doesn't post a bunch of "OMG ur a pve nub, you suck at teh game" but because they are a PvP player, you feel it necessary to be a condescending narcissistic prick for what reason?

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:40 - 379

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Originally Posted by Yichi

You say that you don't read things that are misleading or false and criticize anyone that has the so called "elitest" attitude that you have had bad experiences with, but yet when someone comes along and doesn't post a bunch of "OMG ur a pve nub, you suck at teh game" but because they are a PvP player, you feel it necessary to be a condescending narcissistic prick for what reason?

It would be nice if I didn't have to write out every facet of my thought processes every time someone decided to be nosy. The problem with a lot of it, is that they come in 5 paragraph posts that take up half the page. I lost interest after the first couple lines.

So there's nothing wrong in people bashing PvE, but when someone retaliates it's a scandal?

Sanji

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:45 - 380

So there's nothing wrong in people bashing PvP, but when someone retaliates it's a scandal?

Yichi

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:45 - 381

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So there's nothing wrong in people bashing PvE, but when someone retaliates it's a scandal?

I never said that. You did when you basically didn't read the post that I did make and took it the complete 180 degrees from what I wrote, then in turn decide to make generalizations about people that you have no clue about, thus sticking your proverbial foot in your mouth.

So how were you not using and continuing the EXACT same generalizations that you bitch about the so called "elitest" players using?

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:47 - 382

It all depends on who does it first.

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Originally Posted by Yichi

I never said that. You did when you basically didn't read the post that I did make and took it the complete 180 degrees from what I wrote, then in turn decide to make generalizations about people that you have no clue about, thus sticking your proverbial foot in your mouth.

So how were you not using and continuing the EXACT same generalizations that you bitch about the so called "elitest" players using?

There's not much you can do to make me change my opinion about PvPers. Your behavior isn't really helping that much, too. I don't have a clue about them, and neither do I really want to.

The PvPers say that PvE players are all scrubby and useless, isn't it fair that the PvE players should retaliate? Or should they not reply, ultimately agreeing?

Yichi

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:49 - 383

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

It all depends on who does it first.

so then you're admitting that anyone could basically call you an elitest RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOtard after you basically calling others one when you have absolutely no clue as to what they even talked about?

Which is ironically the exact same thing you're defending against in you're argument about not liking the PvP community...

Two things strike me as very odd in your latest comment:

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Your behavior isn't really helping that much, too.

Wtf have I done other than pointing out your own onesidedness comments towards a community you know very little about?

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I don't have a clue about them, and neither do I really want to.

So then why is it ok for you to randomly flame them and they have no right to randomly flame you?

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:52 - 384

As I said, if you threw the insult first, you shouldn't whine and scream because people retaliate for it.

If you look back at some of the early pages, you'll probably see PvPers saying that PvE is second-class, and PvEers are basically a lower class of people...

Edit: Yes, if I insulted someone for no reason, then they have every right to retaliate.

Bryant Again

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23 Feb 2008 at 03:54 - 385

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Your behavior isn't really helping that much, too.

Regardless to if he's hostile or not, Yichi is not a representative of the PvP community.

And if you "don't have a clue" then don't comment or generalize about them.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

The PvPers say-

Some PvPers say.

Sanji

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Mo/

23 Feb 2008 at 04:08 - 386

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

If you look back at some of the early pages, you'll probably see PvPers saying that PvE is second-class, and PvEers are basically a lower class of people...

And if you look back at the last four pages (IE: This conversation) you'll see most of us going "You know, getting into might be tough for an outsider but you can work your way into good PvP groups if you make some PvP friends and put forth the effort" and you basically shrugging that off, going TL;DR at Yichi, and complaining about what people said at the start of the thread.

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 04:14 - 387

The good PvP groups are few and far between. It's getting harder and harder to find an unranked PuG that doesn't fall apart after the first loss... or the first twenty losses.

I don't really want to work my way into a PvP group, I already told myself that I'm done with that crap and I don't care to get myself embroiled in a PvP guild again... they're nothing but drama.

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23 Feb 2008 at 04:53 - 388

Generalizations are never a good basis for an argument, nor are they good to base an opinion on. Saying or even thinking "All PvPers are *whatever*" is poor judgment and rationale. However, if you word it as "All the PvPers I've ever met are *whatever*," then you have your own personal opinion thrown into the mix - and that's something no one can dispute.

I think that is the biggest issue here, Taurucis. Your opinion is not fact.

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23 Feb 2008 at 06:59 - 389

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

The good PvP groups are few and far between. It's getting harder and harder to find an unranked PuG that doesn't fall apart after the first loss... or the first twenty losses.

I don't really want to work my way into a PvP group, I already told myself that I'm done with that crap and I don't care to get myself embroiled in a PvP guild again... they're nothing but drama.

HA pugs are not representative of pvp.

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23 Feb 2008 at 07:04 - 390

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Originally Posted by tehlemming

HA pugs are not representative of pvp.

RA/AB players are though.

Avarre

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23 Feb 2008 at 07:38 - 391

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

As I said, if you threw the insult first, you shouldn't whine and scream because people retaliate for it.

If you look back at some of the early pages, you'll probably see PvPers saying that PvE is second-class, and PvEers are basically a lower class of people...

Edit: Yes, if I insulted someone for no reason, then they have every right to retaliate.

I've done a huge amount of PvE with Yichi. You could call him a PvE'er as much as a PvP'er, although I bet he wouldn't like it.

Like I said earlier, it's rarely 'PvP'ers' that call PvE second-class. It's people that have finished PvE and gone onto PvP, or that play both continually, that do so because they speak from a perspective of the entire game.

The whole divide thing is something purely created by the players, in any case, to facilitate forum drama.

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23 Feb 2008 at 07:40 - 392

Most people here have been brainwashed by the Anet created PvE PvP divide. I sometimes wonder if Anet sits back and laughs, thinking its our fault that this has happened (while being sadly mistaken). That is why all these discussions turn into flamefests instead of anything meaningful.

Instead of talking about which side is better, or making retarded generalizations about entire populations of players, why can't we address the original question? What Guild Wars started as, what is it now, and why Guild Wars is worse because of it.

Creeping Carl

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23 Feb 2008 at 11:27 - 393

Silly humans. We'll always find some trivial thing to war over. Whether it be over religion, politics or PVE/PVP.

Seriously, cut the crap out. It's damn silly to hate PVP or PVE players just because of what they happen to play. Totally moronic in fact.

Sanji

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Mo/

23 Feb 2008 at 14:09 - 394

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

It's damn silly to hate PVP or PVE players just because of what they happen to play. Totally moronic in fact.

I take it case by case and troll...I mean base my arguments accordingly.

Seriously, though, I like to defend Guild Wars as a hybrid game that doesn't completely master either path and that both sides have two heavy spoonfuls of drama.

Exclusively trying to champion either side in a forum makes you the proverbial lolcow waiting to be milked.

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 14:10 - 395

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Instead of talking about which side is better, or making retarded generalizations about entire populations of players, why can't we address the original question? What Guild Wars started as, what is it now, and why Guild Wars is worse because of it.

I'd think Guild Wars started as PvP, that's why it's such a mess as it is today, with a bunch of skills nerfed until they had no use and two classes pretty much obsolete.

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23 Feb 2008 at 20:41 - 396

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23 Feb 2008 at 20:47 - 397

Wow! Gone a day and the fires still burn.

to Nevin: Yay, I won something!

I'm just saying yes, it's fine to be into the game and discuss things, even have some fun on the forums. My problem is having to put on an asbestos suit to enter a debate on something that, when put into perspective, is not worth getting boiled over. If you are, maybe you should step back from the comp and get a better perspective.

I think PvE/PvP debating is in the minds of a few forum posters, not most players. If the creators meant the game to be one or the other, do you think they would have arranged the pay plan for you to be able to leave the game for weeks at a time? It was made for a casual feel. There are things offered for more "hardcore" players, but I think they never meant it to be primarily one or the other, concerning PvP/PvE. Even with GW2 they still plan to have that blend, with an area where PvE and PvP can meet in world vs world.

Snow Bunny

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23 Feb 2008 at 21:18 - 398

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

I'd think Guild Wars started as PvP, that's why it's such a mess as it is today, with a bunch of skills nerfed until they had no use and two classes pretty much obsolete.

What two classes were these again?

I can't actually think of a glass that goes unused.

In high level PvP, every class is used. Every single one. And very frequently at that.

Taurucis

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23 Feb 2008 at 22:20 - 399

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

What two classes were these again?

I can't actually think of a glass that goes unused.

In high level PvP, every class is used. Every single one. And very frequently at that.

Mesmer and Paragon.

In every form of PvE, those two classes are usually discarded unless they're Ursan. I don't play high level PvP so that doesn't affect me.

Tyla

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23 Feb 2008 at 22:26 - 400

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Mesmer and Paragon.

In every form of PvE, those two classes are usually discarded unless they're Ursan. I don't play high level PvP so that doesn't affect me.

Paragon? lol?
It's called Save Yourselves.
Not to mention Paragons give huge party defense, have practically infinite energy, stupid DPS for their attack range, can assist on spikes.

And Mesmers are still effective to a point in PvE.