Guildwars: Pvp game or Pve game?

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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21 Feb 2008 at 04:17 - 281
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
It's called an example.
Then I'll ask what you're trying to prove with your example?

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Originally Posted by Taurucis
So it's fine for him to make stupid generalizations, but when a PvEer does you jump on her immediately? I see.
I'm not "hounding" you because you're a PvEr (I'm one, too,) I'm "hounding" you because I don't find it fair how you've been labelling the PvP community off of your personal game experience.

And at least in Snow Bunny's remark (which I agree partly with) has merit: PvPer's generally have to have a large knowledge of skills so they know what to identify, expect, and counter, among many other things. In PvE you spend a large majority of your time tweaking your own build and don't get to experience a slew of skills and other synergy.

You can't see me

You can't see me

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USA

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21 Feb 2008 at 04:21 - 282
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny


No, but to be a good PvP player means that you have to understand the mechanics of the game...
Your argument only holds if you define good PvPer a certain way, aside from the fact that it's an oxymoron.

What do you consider good?

GvGing once a week or so, and being able to win occasionally with a mediocre guild?

Playing in the HoH on a daily basis and winning?

Being able to RA and grind Glad points?

Taurucis

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21 Feb 2008 at 04:52 - 283
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I'm not "hounding" you because you're a PvEr (I'm one, too,) I'm "hounding" you because I don't find it fair how you've been labelling the PvP community off of your personal game experience.

And at least in Snow Bunny's remark (which I agree partly with) has merit: PvPer's generally have to have a large knowledge of skills so they know what to identify, expect, and counter, among many other things. In PvE you spend a large majority of your time tweaking your own build and don't get to experience a slew of skills and other synergy.
I quote the elves from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - "You're a traitor to your own kind."

The worst thing you can do to an egomaniac is to say that he's correct.

Bryant Again

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21 Feb 2008 at 05:06 - 284
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
I quote the elves from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - "You're a traitor to your own kind."
I'm not gonna let you float on by labelling a large amount of people "assholes," regardless of who you are, friend or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis
The worst thing you can do to an egomaniac is to say that he's correct.
Note I said "partly," I don't entirely appreciate every single word. But in general I agree with him.

enter_the_zone

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21 Feb 2008 at 05:06 - 285
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Then I'll ask what you're trying to prove with your example?



I'm not "hounding" you because you're a PvEr (I'm one, too,) I'm "hounding" you because I don't find it fair how you've been labelling the PvP community off of your personal game experience.

And at least in Snow Bunny's remark (which I agree partly with) has merit: PvPer's generally have to have a large knowledge of skills so they know what to identify, expect, and counter, among many other things. In PvE you spend a large majority of your time tweaking your own build and don't get to experience a slew of skills and other synergy.
More pertinently, how else is he supposed to label them? Based on someone else's experience? How exactly is that relevant to his experience.

Come on, I saw your response to Van Goughs biggotted bilious trash PVE'r bashing, so you have zero credibility.

Bryant Again

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21 Feb 2008 at 05:16 - 286
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
More pertinently, how else is he supposed to label them?
Not assholes?

enter_the_zone

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21 Feb 2008 at 05:22 - 287
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Not assholes?
I mean, one what basis other his personal experience is he meant to draw conclusions by. As you well know...

good +1 though

I think it's time to bring on the kitties, there's no point in this anymore.

The PvP sides argument has basically degenerated into an statement of their own leetness. Which is where the problem with PvP players starts, for most PVErs. Oh, the irony...

Taurucis

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21 Feb 2008 at 05:23 - 288
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Not assholes?
That would make me a liar. And I don't like to lie.

As with everything in life, there is no black and white answer to anything. There are millions of gray shades in between. There are nice PvPers and rude PvPers. There are nice PvEers and rude PvEers. Some PvPers know a lot about GW. Some PvEers know a lot about GW. Neither side of the game is "better" than the other, because either side alone is still half a game.

Bryant Again

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21 Feb 2008 at 05:30 - 289
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
I mean, one what basis other his personal experience is he meant to draw conclusions by. As you well know...

I can understand people not wanting to PvP because they've had a bad experience, but saying the entire PvP playerbase is full of idiots, jerkoffs and general jackassery isn't acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis
That would make me a liar. And I don't like to lie.
It's not so much that you're lying, but that you're biased. Both are pretty bad.

Racthoh

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21 Feb 2008 at 06:19 - 290
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
Some PvEers know a lot about GW.
I would say the number of PvErs who know a lot about the game are few and far between. They may think they know a lot about the game, but in reality they don't. A lot of 'elite' PvE guilds are really nothing special, their general knowledge about the game is minimal.

Snow Bunny

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21 Feb 2008 at 06:22 - 291
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Originally Posted by You can't see me
Your argument only holds if you define good PvPer a certain way, aside from the fact that it's an oxymoron.

What do you consider good?

GvGing once a week or so, and being able to win occasionally with a mediocre guild?

Playing in the HoH on a daily basis and winning?

Being able to RA and grind Glad points?
No, those aren't PvPers. They may consider themselves such, but the real core PvP community is top100 GvG

enter_the_zone

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21 Feb 2008 at 06:24 - 292
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
It's not so much that you're lying, but that you're biased. Both are pretty bad.
Both sides are biased in their own favor, that's human nature.

Tell me, do you think Van Gough and Snow Bunny are not biased in their assessment of PVE'ers? What exactly do they base their assertions of "being better" on, if not their own opinion? And their assertions that PvP is full of nice, reasonable people is based on their own experience.

Broadly, PVP players see PVE players as lameass noobs, and PVE players see PVP players as elitist wankers. And, in a general sense, they are both right.

Snow Bunny

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21 Feb 2008 at 06:34 - 293
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Both sides are biased in their own favor, that's human nature.

Tell me, do you think Van Gough and Snow Bunny are not biased in their assessment of PVE'ers? What exactly do they base their assertions of "being better" on, if not their own opinion? And their assertions that PvP is full of nice, reasonable people is based on their own experience.

Broadly, PVP players see PVE players as lameass noobs, and PVE players see PVP players as elitist wankers. And, in a general sense, they are both right.
I'm in a PvE guild, as well as a PvE alliance. Aside from my guild, which itself includes people whose knowledge of this game I consider deplorable, everyone else in the alliance is a moron.

They believe Ursan is a balanced skill, they believe skills like Frenzy, Shock, Ancestor's Rage, Gale, I could go on... are bad, when they could be replaced with skills like Searing Flames and PvE skills.

I'm exhausted, so I will not entertain this anymore, but suffice to say, top 100-200 GvGers invariably have a better knowledge of skill usage than any PvE'er, save people like Avarre and those damned SMS cultists

Bryant Again

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21 Feb 2008 at 06:39 - 294
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Tell me, do you think Van Gough and Snow Bunny are not biased in their assessment of PVE'ers?
I actually do believe they are a bit biased. Now why do people keep associating me with them? I stated before that I agree partly with Snow Bunny but not fully. Van Gogh's post provided some dangerous but nonetheless interesting ideas, hence my comment of "well written post." While it obviously can't be applied to every single non-PvPer, it does show an overlooked view of how some people may feel towards it.

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
What exactly do they base their assertions of "being better" on, if not their own opinion? And their assertions that PvP is full of nice, reasonable people is based on their own experience.
It takes more than just being in a bad HA guild for awhile or having a bad run against a series of annoying players, I'll say that much. It's also about having an informed opinion, much like how game websites and magazines play the whole game before rating it.

Celestial_Kitsune

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21 Feb 2008 at 06:59 - 295
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
I'm in a PvE guild, as well as a PvE alliance.
May I ask, if you like GvG, why you are in a PvE guild?

Creeping Carl

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21 Feb 2008 at 07:03 - 296
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
I quote the elves from Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - "You're a traitor to your own kind."
Holy cow. The irrational hatred for one side who plays a different playstyle is what I find really stupid and just plain silly.

I mean come on, a traiter to your own kind? Just because he defended a PVP player from a PVE player's unjustified comments? We're supposed to hate the other side because of what we play?

We have enough of this stupid crap in real life where people find trivial differences to war over. I'm just shaking my head over this.... A traitor to his own kind! Wow!

enter_the_zone

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21 Feb 2008 at 07:07 - 297
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
I actually do believe they are a bit biased. Now why do people keep associating me with them? I stated before that I agree partly with Snow Bunny but not fully. Van Gogh's post provided some dangerous but nonetheless interesting ideas, hence my comment of "well written post." While it obviously can't be applied to every single non-PvPer, it does show an overlooked view of how some people may feel towards it.



It takes more than just being in a bad HA guild for awhile or having a bad run WITH a series of annoying players, I'll say that much. It's also about having an informed opinion, much like how game websites and magazines play the whole game before rating it.
Corrected that for you. Also, regarding the whole GvG is PvP. Maybe to people like Snow Bunny that's true, but not to the majority of PVE players.

And as regards Top100 GVG, that's exactly 1000 possible places. Small wonder that most PVE'rs do not regard that as the bulk of PvP. In fact, I can state categorically that every negative PvP experience I have had is in HA.

And as regards to having an informed opinion, I've spent about a year on and off doing HA. Every time I was reminded why I stopped.

And, as regards PVP players have superior metagame knowledge, I have no doubt of that. It's the attitude that this somehow makes you entitled to be an arrogant, egotistical dipshit that puts people off.

Bryant Again

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21 Feb 2008 at 07:14 - 298
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Corrected that for you.
Matches against annoying players cannot impact a player's game experience?

At least substitute "in addition to." Saying "fixed it for ya" is a pretty common anger trigger on forums.

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
And as regards to having an informed opinion, I've spent about a year on and off doing HA.
Hence why I can respect your opinion more than others. If you haven't seen a lot of the playing field than it's improper to draw conclusions on it.

enter_the_zone

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21 Feb 2008 at 07:44 - 299
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Matches against annoying players cannot impact a player's game experience?

At least substitute "in addition to." Saying "fixed it for ya" is a pretty common anger trigger on forums.



Hence why I can respect your opinion more than others. If you haven't seen a lot of the playing field than it's improper to draw conclusions on it.
ofc, I mean fixed from my perspective, since my issues with pvp were with teammates as opposed to opposing teams .


Edit for Snow Bunny: Also, I think it's fair to say that if you are doing Top100 GvG on a regular basis, you should expect to be one of the best players in the game. Sneering in derision at those who aren't as good as you is surely a bit pointless, since it's virtually everyone you'll ever meet.

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21 Feb 2008 at 07:55 - 300
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
No, those aren't PvPers. They may consider themselves such, but the real core PvP community is top100 GvG
AWWW comon pretty plz include top 200. im working on it and like to be included

TPike

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21 Feb 2008 at 08:31 - 301
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Originally Posted by Mohnzh
So the fault I think lies in that there is no natural progression from PvE to PvP like so many of us expected when we got the game. There is too much of a barrier between the two that you must forcibly overcome. PvPers probably appreciate the game more, but believe me when I say that there are PvEers that thoroughly enjoy the game. But I agree that there is rarely anything to complain about in PvE...if you can't do it with Pain Inverter...then there's always Ursan =P. Probably the biggest reason you hear a lot more complaints from PvE is that there are a whole lot more people that play PvE.
When I bought the game I thought there would be a transition from PvE to PvP and I'm kind of dissapointed there isn't one.

So far the only PvP I've played were in the arenas during the Canthan holidays.

TBH I'm kinda "ascared" to start PvPing.

If I just get totally pwnt over and over I'm afraid it'll turn me off of the game.

Mean time I'm enjoying PvE and trying to figure out the best way to learn how to PvP.

sagilltwins

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21 Feb 2008 at 08:42 - 302
70% Pvp
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enter_the_zone

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21 Feb 2008 at 08:46 - 303
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Originally Posted by TPike
When I bought the game I thought there would be a transition from PvE to PvP and I'm kind of dissapointed there isn't one.

So far the only PvP I've played were in the arenas during the Canthan holidays.

TBH I'm kinda "ascared" to start PvPing.

If I just get totally pwnt over and over I'm afraid it'll turn me off of the game.

Mean time I'm enjoying PvE and trying to figure out the best way to learn how to PvP.
The best advice I can give is to accept that you will be pwnd over and over and over again when you first start PvP (as in, TA and HA). I actually got past that stage to where I was/am a pretty decent player, nothing special, but not a green as grass nublette.

Unfortunately, the overriding mentality got too annoying for me (like, "If we can't win, gank the holders so they get kicked out of Halls"). Childish, spiteful immature children.

Yes, there are some nice PvP players. But a song comes to mind..."And I would walk 500 miles, and I would walk 500 more".

Taurucis

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21 Feb 2008 at 13:54 - 304
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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl
Holy cow. The irrational hatred for one side who plays a different playstyle is what I find really stupid and just plain silly.

I mean come on, a traiter to your own kind? Just because he defended a PVP player from a PVE player's unjustified comments? We're supposed to hate the other side because of what we play?

We have enough of this stupid crap in real life where people find trivial differences to war over. I'm just shaking my head over this.... A traitor to his own kind! Wow!
I said it was a QUOTE from Oblivion. To quote things, you can't butcher them up as to not offend everyone.

Quote: to repeat (a passage, phrase, etc.) from a book, speech, or the like, as by way of authority, illustration, etc.

The PvP side pretty much hates the PvE side. I don't name names, but look at what some of our Guru friends have said about PvE. And look ingame, you'll see plenty of hate from PvPers towards PvE.

Avarre

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21 Feb 2008 at 14:29 - 305
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Unfortunately, the overriding mentality got too annoying for me (like, "If we can't win, gank the holders so they get kicked out of Halls"). Childish, spiteful immature children.
I'd like to hear how you justify that statement. The entire point of holding is that you have to face all opposition at once. It's not a good system, but there you go.

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Originally Posted by Taurucis
The PvP side pretty much hates the PvE side. I don't name names, but look at what some of our Guru friends have said about PvE. And look ingame, you'll see plenty of hate from PvPers towards PvE.
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Originally Posted by Avarre
I would agree with this if I could think of anyone who was a 'PvPer' by the definition of 'only plays PvP'. Every person I know that plays PvP plays PvE, or has played and gotten tired of PvE.

There are no 'PvErs and PvPers', just those that play everything and those that only play PvE. The condescending nature people perceive from 'PvP players' is mainly because these people, playing both sides of the game, can see how absurd a great amount of the PvE complaints are.

Taurucis

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21 Feb 2008 at 14:40 - 306
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Originally Posted by Avarre
Every person I know
Right. What about those you don't know?

Avarre

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21 Feb 2008 at 14:58 - 307
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
Right. What about those you don't know?
What about them? Why don't you tell me, since you obviously do know them if you are so affected by them.

Start with their names.

Also, take into account everyone who PvP'ed at all seriously before inscriptions.

Taurucis

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21 Feb 2008 at 15:00 - 308
Doesn't guru have a rule about not posting the names of other players if it could be used to harass them?

Edit: Here's one!
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Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg
PvE noobs deserve nothing. Just accept it. When I tiger a scrubby little kid, I expect him to cry, not wave a "Kind of a Big Deal" epeen back at me.

phan

phan

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21 Feb 2008 at 15:02 - 309
It's 50/50 now move over this useless discussion ..

Avarre

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21 Feb 2008 at 15:20 - 310
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
Doesn't guru have a rule about not posting the names of other players if it could be used to harass them?

Edit: Here's one!
Quite. Quoting off the forums is a different matter, for the reason links cannot be falsified for accusation.

Their posts demonstrate they play both aspects of the game.

I think that's a good example of a player that fits into what I mentioned.

Taurucis

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21 Feb 2008 at 15:23 - 311
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Originally Posted by Avarre
I think that's a good example of a player that fits into what I mentioned.
He's also a good example of a complete jerk, you should see what people replied to him with. He doesn't play PvE to PvE, he hangs out in PvE areas to boost his ego.

Avarre

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21 Feb 2008 at 15:27 - 312
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
He's also a good example of a complete jerk, you should see what people replied to him with. He doesn't play PvE to PvE, he hangs out in PvE areas to boost his ego.
You get jerks in all areas, as all kinds of players. And it hardly matters why he plays, merely that he does to an extent that grants understanding.

Point is, it's silly to try to create some kind of divide between the two parts of the game when there really isn't one in the manner described.

The fact that players can play both parts of the game is good enough to show the game is both a PvE and PvP game. The lack of transition, as has been brought up, is one of the big factors preventing the playerbases being close together. The other major reason I'd consider is the deviation of PvE from the same standard of balance - PvE skills, consumables, monster/area skills and effects, and so on.

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21 Feb 2008 at 15:47 - 313
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Originally Posted by Avarre
I'd like to hear how you justify that statement. The entire point of holding is that you have to face all opposition at once. It's not a good system, but there you go.
With old altar holding, the map objective was very solid, hold the altar at the last second and you win. This made it incredibly difficult for a team to decide they want to just play to make you lose.

Even in new KoTH, it is very very difficult to gank a team out if they know what they are doing.

However, on relic run and capture points, this is most definatly not the case. You can completly screw over someone and it will have nothing to do with how good you are or how good they are. On relic run all someone has to do is decide to play annihilation against you in your base. On capture points they only need to follow you can cap behind you the points that you take.

Thus the increase in complaints about ganking.

Snow Bunny

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21 Feb 2008 at 16:54 - 314
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune
May I ask, if you like GvG, why you are in a PvE guild?
Some of us are lazy, and relatively inactive.

Plus, I like Tyla, Neo, Dharok, Alexis, and Silly waaaayyyyyy too much to go back to actually being serious about Guild Wars

enter_the_zone

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21 Feb 2008 at 17:44 - 315
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Originally Posted by Avarre
I'd like to hear how you justify that statement. The entire point of holding is that you have to face all opposition at once. It's not a good system, but there you go.
I am referring specifically to the numerous occasions where one of the non-holding teams decides to let the other non-holding team cap their base while they go off and gank the holding team in their base, for the explicit purpose of ousting the holding team. Basically, taking a deliberate fall just to oust the holders, whom they can't otherwise beat.

That was just meant as an example of the mindset I can't stand. It's called the "I can't win, so I'll screw someone else over""/rank lollollol n00b" mindset.

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21 Feb 2008 at 18:39 - 316
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Some of us are lazy, and relatively inactive.

Plus, I like Tyla, Neo, Dharok, Alexis, and Silly waaaayyyyyy too much to go back to actually being serious about Guild Wars
That is quite elucidating. After all the GvG, you went to PvE. Why? Due to attrition and wanting to have fun with your friends. If you love PvP so much, why would not you go find some new GvG guild, as suggested for PvE players? It would take some time, less than for a PvE player though because you have a network, but there is no compelling reason for you to do so at the moment. GW is for fun, first and foremost, for many players, not serious business.

Snow Bunny

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21 Feb 2008 at 18:46 - 317
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune
That is quite elucidating. After all the GvG, you went to PvE. Why? Due to attrition and wanting to have fun with your friends. If you love PvP so much, why would not you go find some new GvG guild, as suggested for PvE players? It would take some time, less than for a PvE player though because you have a network, but there is no compelling reason for you to do so at the moment. GW is for fun, first and foremost, for many players, not serious business.
No, it's because I'm inactive.

I still PvP quite frequently.

Celestial_Kitsune

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21 Feb 2008 at 19:03 - 318
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
No, it's because I'm inactive.

I still PvP quite frequently.
But you are in a PvE guild and say that you are not serious about GW, so that is good

Snow Bunny

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21 Feb 2008 at 19:07 - 319
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune
But you are in a PvE guild and say that you are not serious about GW, so that is good
Lol, I'm in a PvE guild because I'd get kicked out of a PvP guild for day-long inactivity.

Plus TAM people actually know what they're doing. They can bambi me!!!!

Creeping Carl

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21 Feb 2008 at 19:48 - 320
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Originally Posted by Taurucis
I said it was a QUOTE from Oblivion. To quote things, you can't butcher them up as to not offend everyone.

Quote: to repeat (a passage, phrase, etc.) from a book, speech, or the like, as by way of authority, illustration, etc.
How does it matter that you were just quoting? If the quote wasnt the message you wanted to convey then why quote it?

I don't think you offended anyone with the quote but you sure made yourself look totally ridiculous and irrational with it.


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Originally Posted by Taurucis
The PvP side pretty much hates the PvE side. I don't name names, but look at what some of our Guru friends have said about PvE. And look ingame, you'll see plenty of hate from PvPers towards PvE.
People from BOTH sides pretty much hates the other side. You're getting angry at some PVP'ers for hating PVE yet you're pretty much doing the same thing but in the opposite direction.

This is all pretty damn irrational and silly.