Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune
"For every minute you remain angry, you give up sixty seconds of peace of mind."
This thread has reached its critical mass. Time to close it. |
Guildwars: Pvp game or Pve game?
Shakti
Mohnzh
So, I only PvE. For the most part, I would agree with the criticisms that PvPers offer: PvE is grindfest and those that bash PvP are just QQing because they aren't good enough.
I think PvP is a great part of the game, yet I've never done it. I noticed that when I am in parties, I generally load a good 30seconds to a minute after everyone else. Being a monk, wouldn't that seriously hurt a PvP match? maybe there is a delay before the match begins that would solve that...but I remember loading a Fort Aspenwood match over a minute after it started. Doesn't it have a wait time too? As to PvE, I tend to agree with the other PvErs. If you like it, it isn't grind. If you are having fun, even if it involves repetition, it isn't grind. I don't even have the opportunity to play enough to get good at PvP, even if I wanted to. They update skills enough that I might get into about a dozen matches before things change up (I seriously have that few long chunks of time to play matches, get feedback, adjust, and try again with the same team). Furthermore, as someone else said, I don't play video games for the competition factor. I am a very non-competitive person. Not because I'm no good, I'm just not competitive. I love to play chess, and am very good. I like to play weaker players and not pay attention to give them opportunity to beat me and learn. As they get better, I play better so they can learn more. I love ultimate frisbee, but am mediocre at best. I play games for the enjoyment, not the competition. PvP seems purely competitive, but I can get more enjoyment out of the relaxed PvE gameplay. Maybe I'm not good enough to PvP. Probably true. I'm okay with that. But that isn't what keep me away from PvP. Nor are the people acting like jerks. That's just life. Good luck finding a place where you can avoid that. And as many have pointed out, criticism is something that is good for you, regardless of how it was intended.
As to the OP, GW has become dichotomous and you may join either community you wish. My recommendation, try both. Be patient with both. you WILL find a friendly, supportive community on both sides of the fence.
I think PvP is a great part of the game, yet I've never done it. I noticed that when I am in parties, I generally load a good 30seconds to a minute after everyone else. Being a monk, wouldn't that seriously hurt a PvP match? maybe there is a delay before the match begins that would solve that...but I remember loading a Fort Aspenwood match over a minute after it started. Doesn't it have a wait time too? As to PvE, I tend to agree with the other PvErs. If you like it, it isn't grind. If you are having fun, even if it involves repetition, it isn't grind. I don't even have the opportunity to play enough to get good at PvP, even if I wanted to. They update skills enough that I might get into about a dozen matches before things change up (I seriously have that few long chunks of time to play matches, get feedback, adjust, and try again with the same team). Furthermore, as someone else said, I don't play video games for the competition factor. I am a very non-competitive person. Not because I'm no good, I'm just not competitive. I love to play chess, and am very good. I like to play weaker players and not pay attention to give them opportunity to beat me and learn. As they get better, I play better so they can learn more. I love ultimate frisbee, but am mediocre at best. I play games for the enjoyment, not the competition. PvP seems purely competitive, but I can get more enjoyment out of the relaxed PvE gameplay. Maybe I'm not good enough to PvP. Probably true. I'm okay with that. But that isn't what keep me away from PvP. Nor are the people acting like jerks. That's just life. Good luck finding a place where you can avoid that. And as many have pointed out, criticism is something that is good for you, regardless of how it was intended.
As to the OP, GW has become dichotomous and you may join either community you wish. My recommendation, try both. Be patient with both. you WILL find a friendly, supportive community on both sides of the fence.
Rocky Raccoon
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
People say,"I don't want to have to deal with arrogant eleven year-olds, etc."
However, people inextricably bring their personalities and behaviours into games, especially mmo-type games. Lock this thread if you will, but there remain certain facts that remain solidly true. One of these facts is that experience in PvP will give you better knowledge of the game and the mechanics behind it, and make you into a better player. Experience in PvE will not; it will teach you to formulate a specific strategy/gimmick to conquer something if it is not already conquerable by your baseline build. |
Hell Raiser
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
Some people just want to play and have a good time without making it a second job. Those that want to take the time to learn every little game mechanic, good for them. For one side to belittle the others game skills is just wrong and ignorant. Why not just let everyone play the games as they want without constant sniping at each other.
|
Why is this thread even still open? It's been a flame fest for a couple of pages.
Buster
Started out purely as being promoted as a pvp centric game then pvers got hardmode after 2 years. Then people got titles and EOTN. To me it doesn't matter if people want to call this a pvp or pve game. The simple fact was that Guild Wars needed more things for people to do and it got just that.
Kyp Jade
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
So should I tell blatant lies about what I see instead?
There are pugs forming in the Deep and DoA. As well as Temple of Ages. PvE is much bigger than PvP so everything is more spread out. There are probably some R9's that IWAY/buy all their fame. Just cause a couple people do it legit doesn't mean everyone does. Your guild might be one that doesn't stand for trash talking, but there's plenty more out there that stand for it, even encourage it. I suggest standing in HA ID1, and saying that rank doesn't mean anything |
And you go stand in HA id1, you will see loads of glf N/Rt r6/9+ etc etc etc. Do you know what kind of people play thumperway? PvE people that farm the rank so they can have a shiny emote. No pvp player will want to play these builds, for the simple fact that these builds are lousy for making fame. Sure you can win the first three maps with them. After that your kind of hosed because your one dimensional build cannot perform well. PvE players have no problem with this method of 'grinding' the fame out, because they are accustomed to grinding for stuff they want. Its just how they play.
Do you know that any team worth playing in, whatever the build, will take anyone that can prove they have brains and some form of pvp experience? These are the teams that get past maps like unholy temples. These are the players you so blatantly throw into the same group as the thumperway farmers. This is about 1/5 of the side of the game your just flaming away at.
Tell me, are you mad at us because you cant do well in a thumperway group? No reason to take it out on me or people such as Snow Bunney
Van Goghs Ear
If you are a player who is interested in getting into GvG and you've never done it before and you're scarred of being humiliated, or what not, then I seriously recommend taking a look at this guild:
Kisu
It's a guild started by Billiard that is designed to teach new players how to GvG. Now the main guild is for people who at least have experience with GvG, but the secondary guild I believe is for anyone. It gives you an opportunity to play with players who have experience with high end GvG and to learn from them in a risk free/rage free environment. You'll also get to learn current builds within the meta and why some builds are better than others and why they're used.
GvG is just sooo much fun if you give it a chance, and if you're at all interested, consider looking into this. If you're not, then ignore.
Personally I think Anet is unintentionally responsible for creating a rift and making it very difficult to access GvG for beginners. Don't get me wrong they've done some amazing work, but there have been some issues along the way (obviously). I think more accessibility to the ladder (meaning the ladder not just showing top 1000), more stats (ie. being able to see your record against individual guilds win/loss, etc) and just things in general that would help players to see their progression in GvG (aside from champ points which is difficult for the average player to access). Also leaving all the dead guilds on the ladder for so long made it very difficult for young guilds to see any progression, and took at least 10 wins just to get themselves on the ladder.
Anyways remember folks, good high end PvP =/= HA.
Kisu
It's a guild started by Billiard that is designed to teach new players how to GvG. Now the main guild is for people who at least have experience with GvG, but the secondary guild I believe is for anyone. It gives you an opportunity to play with players who have experience with high end GvG and to learn from them in a risk free/rage free environment. You'll also get to learn current builds within the meta and why some builds are better than others and why they're used.
GvG is just sooo much fun if you give it a chance, and if you're at all interested, consider looking into this. If you're not, then ignore.
Personally I think Anet is unintentionally responsible for creating a rift and making it very difficult to access GvG for beginners. Don't get me wrong they've done some amazing work, but there have been some issues along the way (obviously). I think more accessibility to the ladder (meaning the ladder not just showing top 1000), more stats (ie. being able to see your record against individual guilds win/loss, etc) and just things in general that would help players to see their progression in GvG (aside from champ points which is difficult for the average player to access). Also leaving all the dead guilds on the ladder for so long made it very difficult for young guilds to see any progression, and took at least 10 wins just to get themselves on the ladder.
Anyways remember folks, good high end PvP =/= HA.
Nevin
This is comical. This thread has met its climax... You see everyones generalizing but based off of this thread I can say one thing. The hardcore PvPer's are one in the same with the hardcore PvEr's, they are the minority of the GW player basis. Because quite frankly the majority doesn't really give a crap if GW is PvP or PvE or if one is better then the other, they dabble a bit until they find the one they truly like- and guess what! they're so pleased with the content they're playing, that they're too busy having fun to come onto a forum and impose their beliefs on other players. Maybe thats just how hardcore players have their fun, sounds a bit like the spanish inquisition if you ask me, with out the leather whips of course.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Van Goghs Ear
If you are a player who is interested in getting into GvG and you've never done it before and you're scarred of being humiliated, or what not, then I seriously recommend taking a look at this guild:
Kisu |
Taurucis
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kyp Jade
Ok, take my post apart and reply to each bit. It still does not make my argument any less valid.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kyp Jade
And you go stand in HA id1, you will see loads of glf N/Rt r6/9+ etc etc etc. Do you know what kind of people play thumperway? PvE people that farm the rank so they can have a shiny emote. No pvp player will want to play these builds, for the simple fact that these builds are lousy for making fame. Sure you can win the first three maps with them. After that your kind of hosed because your one dimensional build cannot perform well. PvE players have no problem with this method of 'grinding' the fame out, because they are accustomed to grinding for stuff they want. Its just how they play.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kyp Jade
Do you know that any team worth playing in, whatever the build, will take anyone that can prove they have brains and some form of pvp experience? These are the teams that get past maps like unholy temples. These are the players you so blatantly throw into the same group as the thumperway farmers. This is about 1/5 of the side of the game your just flaming away at.
|
You can't tell how mature a group will be when you join.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kyp Jade
Tell me, are you mad at us because you cant do well in a thumperway group? No reason to take it out on me or people such as Snow Bunney
|
Celestial_Kitsune
Kyp Jade, all your points are very valid and have no generalizations whatsoever >.>
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kyp Jade
Odd that grouping in PvE is worse than grouping in PvP. In PvP at least there are pugs forming in HA/TA. In PvE you dont even see that for 99% of the game.
PvE players have no problem with this method of 'grinding' the fame out, because they are accustomed to grinding for stuff they want. Its just how they play. |
Arcanis the Omnipotent
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
QFT
Thus, PvP condescension towards PvE'ers unwilling to put forth the same efforts is natural. |
So, in truth, you want respect, give it.
Stockholm
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Hell Raiser
Why is this thread even still open? It's been a flame fest for a couple of pages.
|
This proberbly cost me a permaban from Guru.
Bryant Again
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
...Must I really spell it out...
I was sharing my personal experience - and the personal experience was about most of the PvPers that I've met are trash talkers. I did not say that all PvPers are like that. I am saying that the ones I met are rude and immature. Understand it now? |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
You probably don't know many PvPers.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
They become trash talkers when they become top PvPers, I'd say.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
Yeah, but in PvE you can just map away, zone into the district, turn off chat... with PvP you'll have to face the same egomaniacs over and over again.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
It's not confined to PvP. It's mostly in PvP.
|
Taurucis
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
You sure didn't specifiy back here:
This is coming from a 95% PvEr: Please don't make such broad comments. |
Kowtowing to the elitists won't earn you anything. Except for verbal abuse.
pakhavit
100% pve and 100% pvp xD
you go with both 100% till you max all pve/pvp title ! xD
you go with both 100% till you max all pve/pvp title ! xD
Bryant Again
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
Kowtowing to the elitists won't earn you anything. Except for verbal abuse.
|
Also, it's not that I'm "siding with the 'elitists'" rather that I'm not siding with a prejudiced player.
Taurucis
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
And you'd be the one to know, right?
Also, it's not that I'm "siding with the 'elitists'" rather that I'm not siding with a prejudiced player. |
From my experience, most PvPers, bar some, more or less, probably, they might be extremely, or perhaps less, prejudiced against the PvEers.
Bryant Again
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
From my experience, most PvPers, bar some, more or less, probably, they might be extremely, or perhaps less, prejudiced against the PvEers.
|
Taurucis
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
See where this is going?
|
I'd say.
Bryant Again
Close. I'm saying that neither of us can give a full, definite view of either community because we have no right. Everyone has different gaming experiences, hence different opinions and conclusions of each community.
maraxusofk
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by arsie
I think GW can now be played 100% PvE or 100% PvP. I think the majority of the players play 80-90% of one, while fewer people straddle both aspects equally.
What do you want to play? |
theres also quite a bit of other people with high end hero / champ titles and high end pve titles too in guild wars.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
There was this PvP guild I was once in, a few of the people were quite nice... Except for this corrupt little asstard. He got some offer "Kick the pve scrubs out of your guild and you'll get a place in my r9+ hardcore pvp guild" and went through with it. What makes you think I can like PvPers after that?
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
They just farm enough to get that stuff, flash their ebayed tigers, and run back off to PvP land.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
I suggest standing in HA ID1, and saying that rank doesn't mean anything
|
Snow Bunny
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by maraxusofk
i do this all the time while wearing my pve titles.
|
Taurucis
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by maraxusofk
tell him rank doesnt mean jack squat and that rank scrubs are insecure about their own abilities.
|
Sab
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
You probably don't know many PvPers. The last time I did HA for earnest, we lost in Underworld and instead of "gg" we got "This way to ascalon" "pve moar scrubz" "lol fail" and tiger spiked. My group ran... oh, about 7, 8 times... and only once did we get an honest "gg and gl" from the opposing team. The other teams were foulmouthed, arrogant, and just plain rude.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
There was this PvP guild I was once in, a few of the people were quite nice... Except for this corrupt little asstard. He got some offer "Kick the pve scrubs out of your guild and you'll get a place in my r9+ hardcore pvp guild" and went through with it. What makes you think I can like PvPers after that?
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
They become trash talkers when they become top PvPers, I'd say. It's like the deal you get with those online FPS games, there's a bigger ego boost when you know that you just beat down real people and rub their faces in the dirt.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
Yeah, but in PvE you can just map away, zone into the district, turn off chat... with PvP you'll have to face the same egomaniacs over and over again.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
It's not confined to PvP. It's mostly in PvP. I get enough verbal abuse in real life. I don't want to put up with any arrogant 12 year old's crap online. I play GW to succeed, not win, and PvP is pretty much the You Lose arena.
|
Taurucis
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sab
The PvPers I *know* don't trash talk. And I know plenty of them, thanks. If you're using scrubs in HA to judge the general mentality of PvPers, then you're probably going to get a bad impression. That's like me going to Pre-Searing Ascalon AD1 and wading through all the pedophiles lf cyber, trying to get an general impression of PvErs.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sab
I've met a bajillion retard PvErs who are just as rude. However, I don't use that to generalise PvErs because I know there are good and bad people, on both sides of the game.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sab
You probably don't know many PvPers.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sab
Turn off chat, go in DnD, or just accept there are idiots anywhere you go.
|
I don't really like to get on DnD. I tend to have people who are waiting to complete trades with me so I don't really want to shoo them away. Plus, if one of the members in the alliance has a problem, he/she should be able to PM me instead of yelling out through GC/AC.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Sab
I'm not convinced you can say that when you've only experienced the worse PvP has to offer.
|
Phaern Majes
I see more people playing PvE than PvP (i.e. more districts, more people in them, etc...) So I'm going with that one. I'll say 90% E 10% P. Personally I do a bit of both though mostly PvE at the moment.
enter_the_zone
All I'm going to say is : Anyone claiming that playing with HA pugs is a nice time seriously needs some mental help.
GvG is massive fun, high end or not, whether you get rolled or not. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do. Personally, I don't give a crap about Champ points because I don't have the time to devote to serious GvG nor can I always make GvG times or even dates, sometimes for weeks at a time. Running you own business is a RL time sink. So I only GvG for fun.
HA just isn't fun, and I don't mean the arseholes on the other team, I mean the dickhead on vent ON MY TEAM. The QQing noob-rushing warrior who was out of radar range of the team and gets slaughtered etc etc, ad nauseaum. If you can deal with that shit, you're a better person than me. Patience is not my strong suit.
GvG is massive fun, high end or not, whether you get rolled or not. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do. Personally, I don't give a crap about Champ points because I don't have the time to devote to serious GvG nor can I always make GvG times or even dates, sometimes for weeks at a time. Running you own business is a RL time sink. So I only GvG for fun.
HA just isn't fun, and I don't mean the arseholes on the other team, I mean the dickhead on vent ON MY TEAM. The QQing noob-rushing warrior who was out of radar range of the team and gets slaughtered etc etc, ad nauseaum. If you can deal with that shit, you're a better person than me. Patience is not my strong suit.
Voltaic Annihilator
i played pvp at first and thought this game was bogus then once.istarted .to get into pve and found how to make easy money and bought whatever i awnted started .to love.it once i completex all the games and had whatever ineeded istarted.to.pvp and i usually played on my main which is my ele i loved my build that i used it pwned anyone so now i plAay 70% pve and 30% pvp cuz i still love my good ol pve
Bryant Again
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Taurucis
I'd guess that you've probably met a bunch of mature, nice PvE'ers who aren't rude at all. The thing is, it's much harder to find mature PvPers.
|
Gift3d
Guild wars is often described as a CORPG (Competitive OnlineRPG), i'd say 70% PvP 30% PvE. Certainly more PvP in any case.
enter_the_zone
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Gift3d
Guild wars is often described as a CORPG (Competitive OnlineRPG), i'd say 70% PvP 30% PvE. Certainly more PvP in any case.
|
DreamWind
This has been a hotly contested issue for about 909878798 threads. Instead of this thread being a flamefest and getting closed, can't we come to the real answer once and for all??
I submit my evidence (which was submitted earlier in the thread but I repost for emphasis). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnEWvo1Ugw
I made that video and I think its crystal clear. Until somebody gives me even better evidence, then I am going by what the founder states here, as opposed to in a press release that is simply made up to sell copies.
Now there is a lot of discussion about the fact that people can have fun playing PvE or PvP in this game, AND THAT IS TRUE...but it misses the major point of this argument completely!!
The major reason people should want to know how the game started is because PvE and PvP take away from each other! The BIGGEST reason why there are so many PvP players that are bitter towards PvE players posting on these forums is because they know that without PvE, Guild Wars PvP could have easily become one of the greatest competitive games of all time.
The PvE barriers are what made it so Guild Wars will now NEVER be legendary. PvE taking away resources and putting restrictions on PvP in so many ways (that I refuse to list here) is why Guild Wars will now NEVER be legendary. Guild Wars could have easily been the next Starcraft, or Counterstrike, or even greater than those, but Anet selling out to PvE made it so it will NEVER be considered that way again.
So what is Guild Wars now you ask? A PvE game of course, along with the likes of World of Warcraft, Everquest, and a line of other games. The difference is that it has no monthly fees. But once Guild Wars 2 comes out, Guild Wars 1 will cease to be remembered. All that I will personally remember about Guild Wars 1, is that it COULD have been legendary. That is the biggest tragedy of all.
I submit my evidence (which was submitted earlier in the thread but I repost for emphasis). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnEWvo1Ugw
I made that video and I think its crystal clear. Until somebody gives me even better evidence, then I am going by what the founder states here, as opposed to in a press release that is simply made up to sell copies.
Now there is a lot of discussion about the fact that people can have fun playing PvE or PvP in this game, AND THAT IS TRUE...but it misses the major point of this argument completely!!
The major reason people should want to know how the game started is because PvE and PvP take away from each other! The BIGGEST reason why there are so many PvP players that are bitter towards PvE players posting on these forums is because they know that without PvE, Guild Wars PvP could have easily become one of the greatest competitive games of all time.
The PvE barriers are what made it so Guild Wars will now NEVER be legendary. PvE taking away resources and putting restrictions on PvP in so many ways (that I refuse to list here) is why Guild Wars will now NEVER be legendary. Guild Wars could have easily been the next Starcraft, or Counterstrike, or even greater than those, but Anet selling out to PvE made it so it will NEVER be considered that way again.
So what is Guild Wars now you ask? A PvE game of course, along with the likes of World of Warcraft, Everquest, and a line of other games. The difference is that it has no monthly fees. But once Guild Wars 2 comes out, Guild Wars 1 will cease to be remembered. All that I will personally remember about Guild Wars 1, is that it COULD have been legendary. That is the biggest tragedy of all.
Celestial_Kitsune
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by DreamWind
without PvE, Guild Wars PvP could have easily become one of the greatest competitive games of all time.
|
Would you expect them to sponsor a world tournament every year? Their business model would not work with PvP only. GW would not have survived without PvE.
enter_the_zone
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by DreamWind
This has been a hotly contested issue for about 909878798 threads. Instead of this thread being a flamefest and getting closed, can't we come to the real answer once and for all??
I submit my evidence (which was submitted earlier in the thread but I repost for emphasis). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnEWvo1Ugw I made that video and I think its crystal clear. Until somebody gives me even better evidence, then I am going by what the founder states here, as opposed to in a press release that is simply made up to sell copies. Now there is a lot of discussion about the fact that people can have fun playing PvE or PvP in this game, AND THAT IS TRUE...but it misses the major point of this argument completely!! The major reason people should want to know how the game started is because PvE and PvP take away from each other! The BIGGEST reason why there are so many PvP players that are bitter towards PvE players posting on these forums is because they know that without PvE, Guild Wars PvP could have easily become one of the greatest competitive games of all time. The PvE barriers are what made it so Guild Wars will now NEVER be legendary. PvE taking away resources and putting restrictions on PvP in so many ways (that I refuse to list here) is why Guild Wars will now NEVER be legendary. Guild Wars could have easily been the next Starcraft, or Counterstrike, or even greater than those, but Anet selling out to PvE made it so it will NEVER be considered that way again. So what is Guild Wars now you ask? A PvE game of course, along with the likes of World of Warcraft, Everquest, and a line of other games. The difference is that it has no monthly fees. But once Guild Wars 2 comes out, Guild Wars 1 will cease to be remembered. All that I will personally remember about Guild Wars 1, is that it COULD have been legendary. That is the biggest tragedy of all. |
maraxusofk
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune
While PvE does take resources, it is the balancing that needs to be properly implemented. Each time before balance players give their feedback and each time only a fraction of the suggestions is implemented. Sure, there is some progress, but this progress takes a long time. Do you recall how long it took to fix spirits and SR?
Would you expect them to sponsor a world tournament every year? Their business model would not work with PvP only. GW would not have survived without PvE. |
enter_the_zone
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by maraxusofk
i used to think that until i realized the concept of epeen. why do ppl still play team competitve games like css and starcraft even if they arent pros? for epeen and/or fun. if gw never had pve or any other dull concepts, the developers could have easily spent all their time balancing the game instead of releasing overpowered skills like they did with nf and do better balances. if there was only a gvg ladder and no ha (which is b/c once many ppl hit fame they will be too bored from ha grind to consider gvg), there might be a bigger dedicated crowd.
|
DreamWind
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Without PVE, GW would have failed commercially ages ago.
|
What I am saying is it should have been used to show people towards the greatness of the game. I don't mean pushing people into PvP. I mean PvE as the publicized part of the game that can eventually lead people into the "real" game.
Some people could even argue that IS how it started out. The problem however is that things changed, and PvE completely took over the game instead and compromised what used to be great.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Very few PVE players would have purchased GW if it was PVP only, meaning only about 5% of the existing population would have bought GW. Please, try to apply logic before blaming PVE for the failure of PVP
|
GrimEye
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by DreamWind
I made that video and I think its crystal clear. Until somebody gives me even better evidence, then I am going by what the founder states here, as opposed to in a press release that is simply made up to sell copies.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by DreamWind
The major reason people should want to know how the game started is because PvE and PvP take away from each other!
[/B] |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by DreamWind
[B]... because they know that without PvE, Guild Wars PvP could have easily become one of the greatest competitive games of all time. All that I will personally remember about Guild Wars 1, is that it COULD have been legendary. That is the biggest tragedy of all. |
But "COULD HAVE BEEN" could still be. GW1 dont have to die. When GW2 comes out, ANET could repackage it as "GW Arena", where the PVP strength of GW1 can brought to full potential. The structure and foundation are already there, just a bit more tweaking. "GW Arena" will be GW1 without what considered to be the crap of Faction, Nightfall, and GWEN.
My take.
MisterB
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
I'd love to know where you think Anet have ever considered PVE when doing balances? Even once? Every balance Anet have ever done has been PVP based...
|
[skill]Spirit Bond[/skill]
[skill]Edge of Extinction[/skill]
How about a dozen? That enough?
GrimEye
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by MisterB
[skill]Protective Bond[/skill]
[skill]Spirit Bond[/skill] [skill]Edge of Extinction[/skill]  How about a dozen? That enough? |