Guildwars: Pvp game or Pve game?

Because the message I want to convey would take well over a paragraph.
He's pretty much agreeing with a guy who says that PvEers are stupid and useless, while he's a PvEer himself. He's agreeing that he's stupid and useless. You see the problem?
They deserve it, they're the ones who cry and get the game balance all screwed up. If not for PvP Mesmers and Paragons wouldn't get hit with the nerf stick that often.
My dislike for PvPers is perfectly rational. 80% of the PvPers that I have met have turned out to be rude, immature, and boastful. Why is it irrational that I don't like them? For the other amount of PvPers I haven't met?

Well I guess that the 99% of PvEers i have met are un open to change and never try anything new (tank and spank SF or Ursan) so I guess i should dislike all of them.

Yeah, but how do the actions of a bunch of people you never meet affect you in any way?

wow this is almost as epic as the "soul reaping" or the "How to balance assassins" threads...



Almost.

I'm mostly a PVE player myself and I have to say if 80% of the PVP players you've met are like that, either you've been hanging out in RA (which is not real PVP and a cesspool) or your bias is showing through and you're antagonizing them in some way. Sorry, but with your hostility being so evident, I think it's the latter.

Yes, there are plenty of rude, immature, egocentric PVP players, but there are just as many in PVE. Some people on either side are acting pretty damn ridiculous with this PVP vs PVE feud.

Anyone who goes looking for trouble is an idiot in most cases.

I don't actively go looking for rude PvPers. They just seem to appear - whether in Deep or DoA pugs, FoW... 75% of the time I'll get this wolf spamming noob who has no connect of "aggro management" and spits out hate and swearwords faster than a machine gun spits out bullets.

In many case's, it does not the majority of a group to make every one look bad.
Pugs for example, are probably a minority of group going in an out every were.
Guilds is were all the nice people are, and they would tend to stick with each other ( I know I stick to my own guild or H&H for almost everything)
So they are less "nice" people to meet.

If your not the smartest, be the loudest, and I think that in this case, The "PvP Elitist" and the "PvE scrubs" are the loudest.

By no mean does that mean that they are the majority of people in GW

I don't understand. You bump into these rude people in PVE but somehow they are all PVP players? And if you were going to somehow attribute their bad behaviour due to their love of PVP, wouldnt you say the same thing about PVE? Afterall, these people you're running into ARE in PVE areas....

They're usually those naked dancing people saying "STRIPPING FOR CASH" or spam their rank emote who hang about in town all day. They don't actually PvE.

By the way, I found an excellent example of a 12-year old PvP elitist. Note his horrible grammar.

And I bet they're in Pre-Searing Ascalon or Shing Jea Monastery (though most of the SJM people actually do a lot of PvE and come to SJM to hang out). Using freshly rolled characters.

Nope, seen some in less-known outposts like Beacon's Perch, Quarrel Falls... this was like 14 months ago though. Haven't seen them (or even went to those outposts) lately. And they were usually level 20.

And wouldnt their behaviour be because of their age and lack of maturity rather than because they play PVP?

It just seems you're irrationally biased against PVP players, which I can sort of understand if enough 12 year olds scream "u sux, go back to PVE" enough times. But my point that I've been trying to get across this whole time was that you're turning into as much as a PVE "elitist' as the PVP 'elitists' that you hate so much.

Maybe. I don't know. Neither do I care to know. He seems to be fresh off Runescape, and those are usually the kids I try to avoid. But from his actions, he's probably one of those wolf spamming jackasses.

Since when did I say anything like "PvEers are better than all you PvPers" ? All I said was that PvE people tend to be less rude and uptight than PvPers. I never knew making an observation based on your experiences was considered elitism.

Really? I didn't either. So if I go to RA and see a w\mo with mending, and I know that this player will be crap and would have bad skills. What are the chances that I would be call a PvP elitist? I would say HIGH.

But my observation and experience with w\mo's, who have mending are most likely crap players in general and also do have bad skills. So, I guess it goes well with your theory.

try and pug DoA without Ursan.

I wouldn't jump to a conclusion based on what I see. I know mending is horrible on anything except for farming/55'ing, but there's many different possibilities as why he's running mending on a warrior. Maybe it's for kicks, maybe he's bad at warrior... since I don't know him well, and probably never will, I'll just let it slide.
I can pug DoA without Ursan, just let me get my monk there.

Read between these lines, guys, and you have a good message.

I hope you understand his point, though?

He told me to try and PuG DoA without having Ursan on my bar. Getting a DoA PuG on a monk, where I would be expected to have a healing build, was not out of the question.

He didn't, but that's ok.

Taurucis, I meant that PvE'ers are equally elitist, they just have to manifest it in different ways because your 'elite' pve'er is in no way shape or form as knowledageble/good at the game as an elite PvPer.

It's simple fact.

Yeah, but at least PvE teams don't shut out new players. If you're 8/8 with Ursan on your bar, then you can just join. And at best, you can just do what the majority of your team does, listen to what the leader says, and you'll squeak by.

With PvP, you're stuck in an endless loop. You need to win to get fame. You need fame to get a good team. You need a good team to win. And around you go again.

Wrong on both accounts.

Heroes' Ascent isn't the only PvP mode there is.

Fame isn't the only way to meet and build a relationship with good PvP players.

Resolving that just because some players discriminate against those who can't do a glowing furry emotes that there is no way to break into a successful PvP social niche dooms a person from the start.

The same pretty much goes with GvG. You need champion to get a GvG guild, usually along with fame...

I don't want to spend 5 hours a day looking for a group.

And it actually is pretty easy to get a PvE PuG for something even if you're not experienced with the map. You just need to know how to keep a low profile.

If you want to employ the "I am a random stranger who wishes to share in your success" approach, sure, I can see them expecting something from you to show them you're not a waste of effort.

You do NOT need to get a champ title to join a GvG guild... you find a lower ranked guild, get a try out and don't suck.

Right. You find a lower ranked guild... and you lose, lose, lose, lose, lose again.

I don't use the random stranger approach. I'm talking about someone saying "Newbie LF someone to teach me HA, I can play ranger and warrior" getting ignored, flamed, and humiliated for asking to get a group. And if he goes with an unranked group... then it'll take him ages to get anywhere. Not like unranked groups form, anyway...

Stop RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing whining ffs. All of you....go play.

Damn, i just whined.

Don't know how it started out but I'd say it's probably 40/60 pvp/pve. There are tons of pve people that never pvp at all. There are also a lot of pvp people that never pve at all, but probably not as many. IMHO

It's not surprising that nobody really wants to teach you HA if you have very little experience... but the people who pay attention, watch obs mode, find out what builds are being run, practise in RA even, are the people who eventually get somewhere. It's a shame that you kinda have to grind it out at the start, I know, but it eventually pays off when you get a bunch of friends and a guild.

And guess what? If you want to HA/GvG, you need to have fame/rank in order to get some HA/GvG friends and a HA/GvG guild.

I heard there are some advanced techniques when it comes to making friends on the internet that doesn't involve flashing titles.

Haven't quite figured it out myself yet, though. Might post a guide on the wiki when I do.

No, you are so wrong.

A lot? I doubt it. I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion.

Prove it? Good HA/GvG friends and guilds don't suddenly rain from the sky.

Well you can't expect to join up with a top guild without experience and some references. It's all about working your way up; improving your skills, networking, and learning aspects of the game necessary to compete at a higher level.

Sounds like grind to me

Sounds like playing the game to me. If pvp is something you enjoy and you want to improve, whether or not it's a grind is irrelevant.

You should honestly stop posting, because it seems more and more that you have even less of a clue as to what you post about.

Fame/rank are usually not how most people get into pvp, they are only used for Pug purposes in Ha/Gvg or selling your account online...

The most simple and easy approach is to communicate with people. You know, this whole thing of actual interaction, not just walking up to someone and spamming a random deer, because 9 times out of 10, you're gonna get tigered, but meh, not the point. The point to this is that if you're going to be a self sniveling twit (not you although you seem like the type that expects to be top dog by just standing there licking your balls) you're not going to get anywhere but into a bad guild with less than average players and yes your whole expierence is going to be a shitty one. You're going to have to put yourself out there where the decent players are in order to have any real shot at playing with anyone decent. Your decent players are not going to spend the majority of their time in ra/ft aspenwood/hero battles (besides ekelon but we all know that hes just either insanely good or has a mental deficiency that he can stand doing that for so long without getting the onsets of wanker's cramp..) Find where the decent players are, ie. recruitment. Post an application, even if you don't have teh ub3r l33t expierence (god i feel like a tard for posting that), post what you do know, what you do play. You're going to have to start at the bottom, so what big deal. Starting here will tell you as a player what kind of situation and learning curve you have for yourself. Just because you can 55/600 monk CoF, doesn't mean that you're ready to take on being a prot monk for top 100 gvg, I'm sorry but your faming skills mean jack crap. Learn various builds and positions as well. Want to be a better monk, go play a warrior or a mesmer. Want to be a better ele, go play a ranger or mesmer. Want to be a better mesmer, become Korean...

Any way... The point, after all this useless rambling, but I happened to find it funny so screw off, is that you're not going to just jump into a top team and expect to be able to play on their expierence level, it's just not going to happen. Put in your time, learn from the good players, ignore the assholes but if they are good observe their strategies (Just because you run into an asshole, doesn't mean that there isn't something you cant learn from them.), and work towards proving yourself if you want a shot. 99% of any decent guild isn't going to go into RA or Lion's Arch or Kamadahn and spam for recruitment there. They do it through networking and player expierence, so gain your expierence, learn to network with people, and you have a 90000000000000% better chance of playing with a decent/good team than you will a shitty pug.

and before anyone jumps my ass about "OMG I don't want to have to prove anything, my 15k armors and l33t minipets should be good enough" or the "you take things too seriously" well tough shit. If you're aiming to play at a top level or anything remotely better than playing pong in a coma, then you're going to have to put in more of an effort than just logging on and saying "HI" or bitching in a random thread online that you're basically the fat kid that got picked last for dodgeball...

none and all of the above.

It all depends on what you want to do.

Me, cant stand pvp and have never done it....so for me its an all pve game.

XYZ cant stand pve so makes his game all pvp----its just fine for him.

ABC likes to do both---so has both pve and pvp characters and feels that the game is good for both (or bad for both---half empty or half full?)


SO just like statistics you can swing this game anyway you wish.

so the question is HOW would you explain it to the person, are they a pve'er or a pvp'er....do they like both, just use the 'facts' that fit for the person you are trying to sell it to. (just like real salesmen ).

In terms of the actual mechanics, I'd say GW is the most 'built-for-PvP' MMO I'm aware of. The level cap, item stats, skill design, etc. all appears to be geared towards PvP balancing. Thus, although PvE unarguably has the lion's share of the content, the base design of the game appears to be built around fundamentally PvP elements.

And yeah, not going to touch the PvE v. PvP flametrain.