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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
And maybe AB would be more fun against people that can actually, you know... play.
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Age doesn't matter imo, as others have said - just mental age.
So, how old do you think someone should be to play this game?
~ Dan ~
Age doesn't matter imo, as others have said - just mental age.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Wtf?! What is this madness?!
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It's amazing how people don't realize that warriors do damage
t_the_nihilst
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Dan, you should AB with me sometime.
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Oh noes, that was immature! I'm probably too young to play Guild Wars!!!1
enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
Rather not to say age, but IQ.
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prism2525
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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ
Rather not to say age, but IQ.
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/cookie
Sub Frost
Why is a 15 year old concerned about people's ages in a computer game? 
Rekiara Malevu
So, here's the thing - and a lot of folk have already said it - age is a meaningless measure of a player. Perhaps meaningless is too strong, as, on average, certain age ranges will fall into a certain level of maturity. However, there are enough exceptions to the averages that it is not a justifiable measurement.
As a quick bit of background - I used to be a recruiting officer and eventually co-leader of a fairly successful WoW guild. Our guild was successful, in part, because the people we brought onboard fit the following profile:
1) Confident in their abilities, but able to learn, adapt to changes in the game and accept constructive criticisms. When things went wrong - party wipes, losing PvP matches, etc - these folks were able to identify the problem and implement a solution. Part of this included owning up to mistakes when they were made. When things went well, we were able to identify what was so successful and use that in other situations.
2) The members were not afraid to speak up when they needed help with something - builds, gear decisions, information on boss strategies, help with quests / dungeons etc. Folks realized that helping guildmates makes the guild as a whole a better place. However, they also understood that people aren't always able to help for various reasons, and knew where to go to find extra resources for themselves (forums, online databases, the wiki, even... PuGs!).
3) One of the biggest things was that everyone was able to 'fit in' with the group. I went out of my way to recruit folks who could quickly ascertain where the boundaries were and align themselves with them. Of primary importance was respect - not just for the people in the guild, but other players on our faction and our 'enemies' in the other faction as well. Even so, disputes still arose from time to time but this understanding helped to resolve them with a minimum of drama.
If you possess these traits - and generally, if you have to tell me you do, then you probably don't - then you're a good fit in any group I'm running regardless of your age.
As a quick bit of background - I used to be a recruiting officer and eventually co-leader of a fairly successful WoW guild. Our guild was successful, in part, because the people we brought onboard fit the following profile:
1) Confident in their abilities, but able to learn, adapt to changes in the game and accept constructive criticisms. When things went wrong - party wipes, losing PvP matches, etc - these folks were able to identify the problem and implement a solution. Part of this included owning up to mistakes when they were made. When things went well, we were able to identify what was so successful and use that in other situations.
2) The members were not afraid to speak up when they needed help with something - builds, gear decisions, information on boss strategies, help with quests / dungeons etc. Folks realized that helping guildmates makes the guild as a whole a better place. However, they also understood that people aren't always able to help for various reasons, and knew where to go to find extra resources for themselves (forums, online databases, the wiki, even... PuGs!).
3) One of the biggest things was that everyone was able to 'fit in' with the group. I went out of my way to recruit folks who could quickly ascertain where the boundaries were and align themselves with them. Of primary importance was respect - not just for the people in the guild, but other players on our faction and our 'enemies' in the other faction as well. Even so, disputes still arose from time to time but this understanding helped to resolve them with a minimum of drama.
If you possess these traits - and generally, if you have to tell me you do, then you probably don't - then you're a good fit in any group I'm running regardless of your age.
Sephiroth Istari
How about a test that shows a person's desire to boost their e-peen? Anyone over the set standard can't play.
Blu
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
It's amazing how people don't realize that warriors do damage
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Back on topic, as several others have stated, I believe that age has nothing to do with your maturity. I myself have started playing GW when I was 11 (almost 2 3/4 years ago) and I'm now 13 (Shh don't tell anyone
) I haven't really ever acted like the so called 13 year old sterotype and most people I know aren't like that. What my theory is, is that most people don't just act like B*tches because of their maturity/age/etc. but because of the how they feel they can just act freely reguardless to the little to no punishment. But of course, I would assume this would be more common in your teen years so you could say it was partially due to age.
roshanabey2
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Originally Posted by Sub Frost
Why is a 15 year old concerned about people's ages in a computer game?
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enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by Blu
lololol warriors dun do dmg they tank11!111oneoneone111!11 ^ ^
Back on topic, as several others have stated, I believe that age has nothing to do with your maturity. I myself have started playing GW when I was 11 (almost 2 3/4 years ago) and I'm now 13 (Shh don't tell anyone ) I haven't really ever acted like the so called 13 year old sterotype and most people I know aren't like that. What my theory is, is that most people don't just act like B*tches because of their maturity/age/etc. but because of the how they feel they can just act freely reguardless to the little to no punishment. But of course, I would assume this would be more common in your teen years so you could say it was partially due to age. |
enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by Sub Frost
Why is a 15 year old concerned about people's ages in a computer game?
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Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Wtf?! What is this madness?!
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Umm... Gonna get back into AB soonish
Great thing about AB, I can still use bad builds and win. Fear my Life Transfer spiker
enter_the_zone
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This! Is! SPARTAAAA!!!
Umm... Gonna get back into AB soonish Great thing about AB, I can still use bad builds and win. Fear my Life Transfer spiker |
This! Is! 12! Chars!
Stockholm
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I know it sounds offensive, I am sorry, I was mainly talking about obssesive players who aren't married
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As far as age and GW, age is not relevant, understanding the game is more important.
Sub Frost
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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone
Why is anyone concerned? How does being 15 make a difference?
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But won't press the issue anymore, happy discussion.
Woop Shotty
Does the discussion of the topic mean anything when most parents could care less what the subject matter is, and store owners much less?
Immature and young children will still think that violent games are just fine for them and they'll play with or without anyone's approval.
Immature and young children will still think that violent games are just fine for them and they'll play with or without anyone's approval.
enter_the_zone
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Originally Posted by roshanabey2
I know it sounds offensive, I am sorry, I was mainly talking about obssesive players who aren't married and really need to do more with there free time apart from gw, they can play gw but shouldn't play a lot. (Your sterotypical over 30 year old nerd, who isn't married.)
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Lady Lozza
Oh noes, don't let the 30 pluses play because they should have a life.
Oddly enough most of us do.
I've seen the IQ suggestion and I think that that is pretty good - but I think this one might also work.
GW players are old enough to play when:
1) they (themselves and no one else) paid (or are capable of paying) for the game
2) they (themselves and no one else) pay for their internet connection
3) they (themselves and no one else) paid for their PC
4) they (themselves and no one else) pay for the electricity that powers their PC
Oddly enough most of us do.
I've seen the IQ suggestion and I think that that is pretty good - but I think this one might also work.
GW players are old enough to play when:
1) they (themselves and no one else) paid (or are capable of paying) for the game
2) they (themselves and no one else) pay for their internet connection
3) they (themselves and no one else) paid for their PC
4) they (themselves and no one else) pay for the electricity that powers their PC
aapo
It's a quality of the game to attract different types of audience. And you know promises of eliteness draws failures-in-life like flypaper, when the really intelligent ones pass grindfest as being unconstructive and unappealing. I think children (age<13) and adults (age>25) are far better company than those in between. Puberty has dire consequenses to person's psyche. Yuck.
Traveller
I have known some 14-15 year olds who have acted very mature and polite and at the same time known a lot of "grown-ups" who act boorishly and rudely all the time. So it's not usually about the age, it's about the person.
Sir Seifus Halbred
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I have known some 14-15 year olds who have acted very mature and polite and at the same time known a lot of "grown-ups" who act boorishly and rudely all the time. So it's not usually about the age, it's about the person.
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Musei Karasu
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GW players are old enough to play when:
1) they (themselves and no one else) paid (or are capable of paying) for the game 2) they (themselves and no one else) pay for their internet connection 3) they (themselves and no one else) paid for their PC 4) they (themselves and no one else) pay for the electricity that powers their PC |
7hir7een
Age has much less to do with it than maturity and learning ability.
I'd like most of the people that play this game to not be like the gems you find in Shing Jea Monastery (or even Lion's Arch or Kamadan) at night.
But on the flip side, many older players aren't able to learn the game as well as a younger person would. Now, if they enjoy the game, more power to them, but if they get frustrated with it early on, then what's the point?
If you turn around and say that the younger person, who would understand how the game works quickly and love playing it isn't allowed to play, where's the fairness in that?
I think the EULA age of 13 is good. For average maturity levels most players should be 16 or older to play, but there's always going to be the 15, 14, and 13 year olds who can act like a human being, while there will be 16+ year olds who cannot.
Such is life.
I'd like most of the people that play this game to not be like the gems you find in Shing Jea Monastery (or even Lion's Arch or Kamadan) at night.
But on the flip side, many older players aren't able to learn the game as well as a younger person would. Now, if they enjoy the game, more power to them, but if they get frustrated with it early on, then what's the point?
If you turn around and say that the younger person, who would understand how the game works quickly and love playing it isn't allowed to play, where's the fairness in that?
I think the EULA age of 13 is good. For average maturity levels most players should be 16 or older to play, but there's always going to be the 15, 14, and 13 year olds who can act like a human being, while there will be 16+ year olds who cannot.
Such is life.
Lord Sojar
I have no idea what happened to my post in this thread... but I will state it again.
8 Year olds are just not mature. Not only are they still children, but they are young children. 8 year olds will never be mature, no matter how mature acting they are. Maturity takes some form of age. I have nothing against 8 year olds, but they just cannot be mature.
13 year olds are worse then 8 year olds. They have hormone issues, and think that swearing is the most amazing thing ever. Piss off a 13-15 year old, and watch the foul language on your screen. I told some guy that the green he wanted to buy was not popular, and very few people farmed it, so it would be faster for him to buy the same skin and mod it. He belted out every single swear on the planet, about 3x. I actually reported him for language, because while swearing isn't super bad when it is just one or two words once in a long while, what he did was like... just plain gross.
Maturity is based not just on age, but experience (wisdom). I hang out with older people (have since I was 16). It is just how some people are wired. Although, I get very childish when I am drunk. I would rather hang out with the 30 year old crowd then the 20 somethings (I am 21).
But 8 year olds? No, they are not mature and never will be. Some may be very well behaved and act older, but they are not mature in any sense of the word. 13, still a stretch. 15+ can have some form of maturity, but maturity comes with responsibility. High school =/= responsibility.
8 Year olds are just not mature. Not only are they still children, but they are young children. 8 year olds will never be mature, no matter how mature acting they are. Maturity takes some form of age. I have nothing against 8 year olds, but they just cannot be mature.
13 year olds are worse then 8 year olds. They have hormone issues, and think that swearing is the most amazing thing ever. Piss off a 13-15 year old, and watch the foul language on your screen. I told some guy that the green he wanted to buy was not popular, and very few people farmed it, so it would be faster for him to buy the same skin and mod it. He belted out every single swear on the planet, about 3x. I actually reported him for language, because while swearing isn't super bad when it is just one or two words once in a long while, what he did was like... just plain gross.
Maturity is based not just on age, but experience (wisdom). I hang out with older people (have since I was 16). It is just how some people are wired. Although, I get very childish when I am drunk. I would rather hang out with the 30 year old crowd then the 20 somethings (I am 21).
But 8 year olds? No, they are not mature and never will be. Some may be very well behaved and act older, but they are not mature in any sense of the word. 13, still a stretch. 15+ can have some form of maturity, but maturity comes with responsibility. High school =/= responsibility.
enter_the_zone
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High school =/= responsibility.
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Life was so easy, even though I didn't think it at the time. The real world, with work and bills and more work and one problem after another. If it's not the car, it's the boiler. If it's not that, it's Virgin screwing up again etc etc etc.
And that's without all the nerfs to GW or having to listen to some kid PVP biatch tell me how the reason I don't like pvp is because someone killed me in a match...
maraxusofk
there shoudlnt be an age requirement. rather, i would prefer an iq test. at least it doesnt exclude polite, young kids.
Burning Distraction
i know personally when i was ~15 many people thought i was 19 or older. there should be no age limit. if you don't like someone, don't talk to them.
Terra Xin
Based on content, we pay people to provide ratings for us. That's why the rating is 13+
There isn't an age restriction when joining a community of players. But everyone is bound by the EULA, so if you break it you're out.
There isn't an age restriction when joining a community of players. But everyone is bound by the EULA, so if you break it you're out.
GrimEye
Actually, its the young people who have much more right to "play a game". When I say "young" I mean those in their teens. This is their element and their domain. Though they sometimes bring their "inexperience", they bring fun in the game nevertheless as what any game should be.
The "older folks" seem to take the games too seriously. While they bring their "experiences", we also seem to carry the baggages.
My take.
The "older folks" seem to take the games too seriously. While they bring their "experiences", we also seem to carry the baggages.
My take.
quickmonty
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Actually, its the young people who have much more right to "play a game". When I say "young" I mean those in their teens. This is their element and their domain. Though they sometimes bring their "inexperience", they bring fun in the game nevertheless as what any game should be.
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garethporlest18
I think people should just do what they want when it comes to games. That simple really.
Accursed
i'm 12.
I know 17 yrs olds and a few 40 yrs olds.
they all thought I was in my 30's until they heard my voice in vent.
there should be no age requiement in Gw. as long as you are mature and have an ignore list, you'll be fine.
/signed as a ridiculous thread.
I know 17 yrs olds and a few 40 yrs olds.
they all thought I was in my 30's until they heard my voice in vent.
there should be no age requiement in Gw. as long as you are mature and have an ignore list, you'll be fine.
/signed as a ridiculous thread.
You can't see me
Age means nothing. I have known many adults to generalize younger generations as immature, while I've seen adults that act like downright two year olds throwing temper tantraums and talkin lik dis. On the other hand, I know younger people that claim to be mature, and sometimes are, but they end up at the same spot as the immature adults. All in all, age isn't a factor you can gauge someone on.
Lady Lozza
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D= No fair, that knocks me out, the military pays for my internet and electricity!
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As many have said in this thread age is not a definitive guideline, but just like rank is not an absolute guide as to how an individual may perform in pvp, age is a starting point.
It is true that I have known some very mature "younger" players and I would not hesitate grouping with such. It is also true that I have known some very immature "older" players and would prefer to avoid such when possible. However if /age where the age of the player rather than the character and I had to choose between a player <18 and a player >18 without reference to anything else I would go for the older player.
Having said that the topic is about how old is old enough, well it's rated 13+ I believe - and given there is no swearing (in gameplay itself) or ridiculous amount of violence, I think the rating is well placed. There are filters in place to help those who don't want to put up with foul language, and support is generally helpful in dealing with matters of players "swearing" excessively around the filters.
Yes I wish all players were mature and nice and all, but I'm well aware of the reality, and all that can be done is to avoid the bad apples and get on with playing the game.
Stockholm
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Actually, its the young people who have much more right to "play a game". When I say "young" I mean those in their teens. This is their element and their domain. Though they sometimes bring their "inexperience", they bring fun in the game nevertheless as what any game should be.
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GrimEye
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Complete and total BS. As an 'older person' I play the game to have fun, and I do have fun. I don't care if you are 8 or 80, as long as we have fun together and respect each other. My 'baggage' is dropped at the door when I enter my room to play games and have fun.
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The point I was making, young people treat games "more loosely" as than most older ones. No need to get, err, tight about it.
My take.
Same comment, Stockholm.
PinoyRurik
when did age measure someone's maturity?
heck a 13 year old boy could even be as mature or even more mature than half of all players playing GW.
age does not matter in videogames.
for those sarcastic flamers, i mean 8 yo - 100+ yo.
heck a 13 year old boy could even be as mature or even more mature than half of all players playing GW.
age does not matter in videogames.
for those sarcastic flamers, i mean 8 yo - 100+ yo.
RedNova88
IMO I really don't think age matters here. All of my really good IG friends have been from the 12-30+ range and they all seem to be quite good players and polite in many situations.
I remember being in a guild with some guys that were in their low 30s and I remember being on vent with them... Oh man I've never seen someone be so serious about PvP. Imagine the BOOM HEADSHOT! guy, except that there are 4 or so of them screaming in vent, I'm NOT kidding.
Point being is that when it comes to maturity, no matter the age, some people are just... Stunted...
I remember being in a guild with some guys that were in their low 30s and I remember being on vent with them... Oh man I've never seen someone be so serious about PvP. Imagine the BOOM HEADSHOT! guy, except that there are 4 or so of them screaming in vent, I'm NOT kidding.
Point being is that when it comes to maturity, no matter the age, some people are just... Stunted...
Lady Lozza
Grim, I actually disagree with you.
I'm "old", I game for fun. The people I see getting uptight about not "winning" are mostly the "young" people. I had a classic case just the other day going into a normal mode mission, my first pug in a little while. The team leader was a college student, bossy like crazy, and using the line:
"omgz we're never going to win the mission with a build like that"
to just about everyone who pinged their build.
Everyone I've met over the age of 25 is generally relaxed and nice to play with. There are some very notable exceptions. Any "baggage" brought in with us is "baggage" from our real lives and we talk to friends and guildies in our non-play time about it because talking happens to be theraputic.
Your statement is akin to saying only those who remembered and played the very first nintendo console have a right to play the Wii.
I'm "old", I game for fun. The people I see getting uptight about not "winning" are mostly the "young" people. I had a classic case just the other day going into a normal mode mission, my first pug in a little while. The team leader was a college student, bossy like crazy, and using the line:
"omgz we're never going to win the mission with a build like that"
to just about everyone who pinged their build.
Everyone I've met over the age of 25 is generally relaxed and nice to play with. There are some very notable exceptions. Any "baggage" brought in with us is "baggage" from our real lives and we talk to friends and guildies in our non-play time about it because talking happens to be theraputic.
Your statement is akin to saying only those who remembered and played the very first nintendo console have a right to play the Wii.