Player Killing in GW PvE

Synles Chyld

Synles Chyld

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Ascalon

Krimzon Knightz [KRIM]

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If it had some form of on/off toggle I would love the addition of it. also it would have to be for ppl only over a certain lvl (ex: lvl 10+ or so)

all you pk'ers be runnin around gettin PKK'd by me :P

Vl Vl D

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

The whole idea would fail and the same people that would want it would fill guru with bitch posts. Would have to be like a flaging system because I can just see people being slaughted while afk at nine rings on a festival weekend.

As for Wow theres nothing original about it except the finger pupet looks.

silvershock

silvershock

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Netherlands

Red Lightning Brigade

E/Mo

It won't happen, but me n my buddies always would go on a wild pk killing spree in any mmorpg that let us, mostly newbies would become victim of this;D

So me, I say yes^^

Inferno Link

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

E/R

From my 5 years of pk with runescape I can tell that Gw needs something orginial and not a copy/replica off of another game to keep the formula good. Jagex (Runescape makers.) sucked at pleasing players so in the end they killed their own pk. LOL

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

There are already ways to MK bad players in PvE. Extremely funny when done properly.

You're wasting your breath requesting this if GW2 will be instanced in the areas where PvE play actually occurs. Not much point to PK in a game like this as it stands. If you really want a 1v1 match, the guild hall and scrimmages are your friend.

...two men enter...one man leaves...two men enter...

DarkWasp

DarkWasp

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Paradise

Agency Of Forbidden Fruits [Oot]

R/A

I think the OP said it best when adding more cons than pros.

Us PvErs dont want to have to worry about keeping up with the latest cancel builds and exploit skills.

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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Not to mention the constant failed quests and loot stealing.

Uber Mass

Uber Mass

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

The Netherlands

retired from gw [agro] still ftw

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Quote:
Originally Posted by silvershock
It won't happen, but me n my buddies always would go on a wild pk killing spree in any mmorpg that let us, mostly newbies would become victim of this;D

So me, I say yes^^
oh wow you must feel really good when you gank 1 person...

seriously why PK in PvE... its player versus environment

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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Some people just find fun in making sure they spoil the fun of other people - and think that *their* fun at the expense of others is most important.

MasterSasori

MasterSasori

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

USA

[Thay]

R/Mo

PK in PvE is retarded. This is Guild Wars not Mob Wars.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Some people just find fun in making sure they spoil the fun of other people - and think that *their* fun at the expense of others is most important.
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PK in PvE is retarded. This is Guild Wars not Mob Wars.
Amazingly the two last posts were the best posts on the subject matter. The most truth in the shortest amount of characters. No PKing in GW folks sorry you lil griefers you who ain't gonna get the chance to grief anybody this way. hardy har har.

bel unbreakable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

scotland

shadow hunters of light

W/Mo

i just dont see how any body can have fun killing ppl that cant defend them selves pvp players moan about balance and skill yet seem to be quite happy to beatup some low lvl pver

Taki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

N/Me

With the exception of about four, most of the points against this (especially the last ones) are cretinous to a nauseating degree. If you can't argue a rational position please just say "Would not like/ Yes I would like (12char limit taken care of for you)."

Level does not matter in GW thanks to the cap system. Skill does. So that's a foolish stance to take. Didn't you buy the game because promoted skill over time? No wait, sorry, you bought it because it had no monthly fees - a free WoW. OK.

And apparently it's not obvious that towns do not allow for PK. Do not worry, thou shall be safe AFK on the nine rings. Please stop conjuring up images of other PK systems which must have left some of you emotionally scarred and applying them to GW. You have been playing long enough to know that GW does not work like that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by silvershock
It won't happen, but me n my buddies always would go on a wild pk killing spree in any mmorpg that let us, mostly newbies would become victim of this;D

So me, I say yes^^
I doubt he's serious, but in GW, lil shits like this would get their ass handed to them as they have no grind advantage and most likely, no talent as well. In additional to providing a dynamic element to the game, the threat of PKing would keep these types of clowns in check. Unfortunately having PK to deal with greifers would be like placing guns in everyone's homes to protect them from crime or violence.

Sadly, that last point I made is actually against a PK system, but with all the rampant idiocy in the thread I felt like it was needed. With no thanks from most posters, I'm now of the opinion that PK in PvE would be more detrimental than beneficial, given the apparent fancy nancy playerbase. Looking forwad to GW2.

KazeMitsui

KazeMitsui

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

pretty sure its all up in yo face

[WHAT]

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yes cause killing pvers would be so much fun and funny after a whole bunch of wtfs happen ahaha

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

And Taki is a prime example why we DON'T want PKing in GW. He can't handle his anger and stoops to childish name calling tactics. Wah Wah QQ less.

Lord Sojar

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

oh btw, if you go to a noob mission with a lvl20 MM character of yours, and bring 16 death magic, Verata's Aura, and Contemplation, I guarantee you can kill your teammates. Only thing is, you get no reward for doing it.

Draginvry

Draginvry

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

The Underground PvP Society (PVPS)

N/Mo

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and no, one of the biggest things i hated in Diablo 2 was a lvl 100000 running around and killing me over and over again, and there being nothing i could do about it.
Yes, for the love of God, yes. Diablo 2 freaking sucked before they added the pk-tp blocking feature. It was sure instagib as soon as they went hostile.

The last thing we need is some high level player suddenly going hostile and camping the end of the mission, preventing an entire team of level 6 players from completing the quest because some moron thinks he's funny one-shotting you with 16 attribute spells and screaming "You suck pussy, I kill you" over and over and over again.

Sorry, I've already done that dance in other games. And you know what? It wasn't fun.

Face the facts, people. The only thing open PK systems were ever good for were griefing, and trash-talking duels. The former is only good for wimpy kids who try to make themselves feel strong by beating up smaller characters in online games, and the latter already exists in Random Arena.

Sword

Sword

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mo/

theres a time and a place for pvp , and pve is not that

i hated the aspect of diablo2 where some1 could just click hostile and instantly the friendly pve environemnt becomes chaos with portals opening and the game being ruined =/

Creeping Carl

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Taki
With the exception of about four, most of the points against this (especially the last ones) are cretinous to a nauseating degree. If you can't argue a rational position please just say "Would not like/ Yes I would like (12char limit taken care of for you)."

Level does not matter in GW thanks to the cap system. Skill does. So that's a foolish stance to take. Didn't you buy the game because promoted skill over time? No wait, sorry, you bought it because it had no monthly fees - a free WoW. OK.

And apparently it's not obvious that towns do not allow for PK. Do not worry, thou shall be safe AFK on the nine rings. Please stop conjuring up images of other PK systems which must have left some of you emotionally scarred and applying them to GW. You have been playing long enough to know that GW does not work like that.

I doubt he's serious, but in GW, lil shits like this would get their ass handed to them as they have no grind advantage and most likely, no talent as well. In additional to providing a dynamic element to the game, the threat of PKing would keep these types of clowns in check. Unfortunately having PK to deal with greifers would be like placing guns in everyone's homes to protect them from crime or violence.

Sadly, that last point I made is actually against a PK system, but with all the rampant idiocy in the thread I felt like it was needed. With no thanks from most posters, I'm now of the opinion that PK in PvE would be more detrimental than beneficial, given the apparent fancy nancy playerbase. Looking forwad to GW2.
I completely agree. It's fine that people don't want PK'ing in PVE, I completely understand that people don't want that aggravation. But some of the reasons people are giving are just retardedly ridiculous.

If PK'ing were allowed there would obviously be some safeguards and restrictions applied to them. If people want to disagree with something, at least know what you're disagreeing with instead of making up exaggerations.

And no, I don't think PK'ing should be in GW2 (as much as I would like it) since the majority of it's playerbase wouldnt like it, but SOME of you are just ridiculous.

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

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Generally unsigned

Only exception possibly being Nuking the odd one or two run away Wammo's that always some how manage to be present in most PUG's

ogre_jd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2008

Canadia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taki
Level does not matter in GW thanks to the cap system. Skill does. So that's a foolish stance to take. Didn't you buy the game because promoted skill over time? No wait, sorry, you bought it because it had no monthly fees - a free WoW. OK.
Many of us bought it for both reasons. Being on the lower end of the economic scale, as far as computer owners with 'Net access go, I have no credit card and, after one of my cousins twice having freshly bought WoW game cards from Wal-Mart denied, and not being able to get his money back, I'm not willing to risk the $46 every other month it'd cost for WoW.

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Originally Posted by Taki
In additional to providing a dynamic element to the game, the threat of PKing would keep these types of clowns in check. Unfortunately having PK to deal with greifers would be like placing guns in everyone's homes to protect them from crime or violence.
Except, of course, PKing for punishment only works one way - from the strong to the weak. Weak player offends the strong, 'justice' gets served. Strong player offends the weak? Too *bleep*ing bad.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...usPlayerDebate has a good summary of the issue.

samcobra

samcobra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/Me

Um... you can kill PvErs... it's called Alliance Battles... you kill PvErs like dolyak signet wars and minion masters all the time there! you should try it out, you get faction for killing the pvers too!

bel unbreakable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

scotland

shadow hunters of light

W/Mo

useing ab as an example is not valid argument as every one who goes into ab knows he will be a target

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

dumbest idea......

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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Quote:
Originally Posted by bel unbreakable
useing ab as an example is not valid argument as every one who goes into ab knows he will be a target
Stupid obsi tankers or shadow form assassins are not targets. They are there just to annoy people in their own team and provide easy win for opponents. So not everyone is a target.

Btw, work on your grammar - Useing?

If you want to kill stupid pvers, go to AB with a guild and avoid other guild teams.

bel unbreakable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

scotland

shadow hunters of light

W/Mo

using useing pve pvp

afrika18

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

You can gank pve'rs in Alliance Battles? Do you mean, when they are questing you can just attack them and kill them, like in WoW? I thought that Guild Wars was all instanced...

Anyway, I'm sort of new to playing GW, so I'll definately have to check out AB, because I love to Gank and I like the thrill of possibly being ganked if I'm not careful.

afrika18

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

What I would love to see if a totally open game. No instances and full PvP on at all times. No penalties for ganking and you even get some kind of cool trophy of the player (like his severed head or something, or his ear, like in Diablo). Please let this happen someday.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

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Except, of course, PKing for punishment only works one way - from the strong to the weak. Weak player offends the strong, 'justice' gets served. Strong player offends the weak? Too *bleep*ing bad.
Exactly and that is why PKing shouldn't ever be allowed in GW since it (GW) is for the weak and casual player mostly. As long as they put in unlimited stat loot I'll be happy though. Need more grind like NF and GWEN have, but, with better rewards besides just skills. I like stuff not how I look.

samcobra

samcobra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Mo/Me

Pretty sure every level 20 with max weapons (which is like 90% of the GW base) has their strength measured solely on build and skill.

Build, you can't really deal with.. that's why GW is a team game. However, if someone is better than another person purely skillwise, then I don't see the problem of them winning.

The Little Viking

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

innergalactic gargleblasters

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danax
I don't think anyone should have the option of interfering with my questing.
Let me play the way I want to play, and I will not bother you either. If I want to go kill other players, I go to pvp. its as simple as that. When I want to be left alone, I go find monsters to take out and earn some good money in the process.

I agree with anyone who says its a bad idea. If people had the option to come in from behind me and kill me while im trying to do a quest I would leave GW forever and I dont think im alone in thinking this way.

visitor

visitor

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Kronos HQ

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Rather not. Even when i played RUNESCAPE i avoided the whole "PVE PK" system

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

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maybe if they had pvp districts then i'd be for it, but if it was were you had to be pvp or pve i'd say pve

Kiasyd117

Kiasyd117

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Chantilly, VA

Summit Soldiers [SS]

N/Rt

PK has alot of really good and bad sides to it, the most glaring is that it would, as of the first second it went live, be abused. It would have too many restrictions placed upon it to be anythign more than an afterthought, just like Mantra of Celerity. Those were the days.

Sparks Dawnbringer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Los Angeles

none

E/Mo

/no I would NOT BUY the game if this was a feature. I can't stand the PvP as it is. You want to kill everyone buy WOW. And pay by the month.

RhanoctJocosa

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

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if there were areas where pvers quested and you could kill them i'd cream myself.

roll water eles and grief moaar plz? o gad

ShadowsRequiem

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

Sure why not. Then I can kill people that make pointless threads.

Deaths

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

PK for GW2. Lol Like samcobra said. If u wanna PK PvEer go to ab. Lots of fun. If they cry to u come 1vs1 in a match with 11 other teammates. If u guys want a 1 vs 1 go to scrimage in GvGs.

ANd no i dont like PK in PvE. I can just go out and pug with a team. I dont have to worry about ppl who are just out their for pks. I can just help out some guy who is in a pinch with a quest or mission. He does not have to worry about any pks. If thouse pk-players are really that good. They can just show their skills in HA or GvG. Their is plenty of room for PvP in GW. If they cant manage a real PvP and they are just capable to backstab some poor guys who just want some fun in the PvE enviorment lol. This is no fun for the ppl who get pked. Its just self statisfaction of some idiots who think they are good, but they just cant PvP.

And i dont want another WoW. GW is just fine like it is. And GW2 schould be an improved GW. Not another clone of any other game.

Zorian Direspell

Zorian Direspell

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

PKing is like PvPing, except that the thrill of matching wits with prepared and able opponents and winning is replaced with the perverse thrill of generating terror and causing sorrow through unprepared easy kills. So ... you prefer that? Limited PK areas would be the same as PvP arenas anyway ... everyone entering would be looking for a fight. So what's the difference?

HuntMaster Avatar

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Around

Pillar's of Earth [ROCK]

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this idea just sucks.

Oh look a level 90 is bored and pking level 20's, oh look a level 70 is protecting the boss so no one can finish the quest.
hey did you see that guild wipe everyone out in the zone? guild pk does nothing but pk players all over the gaming world making it almost impossible to play alone.

again, this idea just sucks.