What is a bad player?

I keep seeing the term bad player pop up on this forum and I would like to know the definition of a bad player.

A bad player is an opinion and can't be defined. There will most likely be a lot of posts claiming to know what a bad player is, but they will just be assumptions and opinions.

Anyone who refuses to adapt to the situation at hand. If they die through their overpulling, their poor choice of skills or just the mindset of immortality, yet STILL refuse to change their ways, that is pretty much the worst player you'll ever come across.

Bad player is either a noob (right definition) or a person that has no skill, a newbie (bad definition).

Noob is someone that uses a bad build and doesn't want to change it, no matter how politely or well people will try to convince him. He thinks that defense = offense in PvP or uses an Ursan in pve.

Newbie is or is not using a bad build/uses it wrong, but if he doesn't know how to use it, yet he knows that he's bad and wants to improve. He also knows Ursan is not good for pve.

A combination of multiple negative personal attributes.

A 'bad player' and a new player are distinguishable because a newbie can be excused for his ignorance whereas a bad player retains his ignorance, bad habits and attitude throughout and shows little sign of adapting. For example, people still run Mending wammos in RA that have been playing for a long while despite widespread knowledge that is it a sub-par build with negligible damage and weak healing.

The same applies to people in HA and GvG who farmed fame and champion points with IWAY, Spiritway etc and have an inflated sense of self worth as a result. They fail to realise that their achievements are a result of exploiting imbalances and using builds straight from pvxwiki without applying any sort of real talent, skill or cooperation.

There's also a spectrum of maturity that contributes to a good and bad player. The whole "learn2play", "gtfo noob" and alike Internet clichés give players a bad reputation too.

Many people may explain a "bad player" as someone who does not play the most efficient build at all times, which is particularly prevalant on forums.

Characteristics I associate with "bad players" are rude and obnoxious people, and people who mess the game up for others, either intentionally or unintentionally, such as aggroing a mob when specifically asked not to because they can't be bothered to read the chat screen.

I have more patience with people now than I used to. I've done just about everything I really want to do so I try to help people out when I can, but some people refuse to be helped, usually because of one of two things - they are either lazy, or arrogant, but either way, refuse to change their ways.

Lazyness and arrogance are two key factors which makes someone "bad"...both scale with maturity in my opinion.

Q F T..because this is a forum.
There are no 'bad' players.
There are no 'good' players.
It's a game..we gain skill through the challenges we set from the game's dynamics, and we win...or fail.
The description of good can mean: Skilled at the game mechanics, or good with a community being as it is multiplayer online game..
(This all is from my assumption you are meaning GW)

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A bad player is anyone who try's define what it is.

It is a very subjective subject and can not be defined.

A bad player is somebody who doesn't learn from his mistakes and doesn't want to.

This is usually compounded by the fact that he's likely to be a prick.

There isnt such a thing like bad player in my opinion :d everyone just have own style :d

And yet you just did : P

It always seems though that a player's reputation is no longer solely founded on his/her ability to play the game, but their respectfulness in the wider community. Those people who create arguments in towns, or forums, because they can, aren't "good". Games seldom seem like a closed environment any more, and you can be a great user of skills and applier of tactics, but you can be a rotten person to converse or debate with.

A bad player, IMO, is someone that calls another player bad.

Like Leeeerooooy Jenkins!!!! There are several kinds of bad players. Ones who don't try to understand the game and the dynamics that are inherent in it. Ones who act on their own with regard for the group. And Ones who are just plain rude.

The first group of "bad players" isn't that bad as it can be overcome with patience and practice. The other two are personality traits that are much more difficult to overcome.

A good player is one who is polite and friendly. They don't need to have the best builds or even the most unique ones, but they need to at least understand what their build does and why. Bad Builds can occur for lack of knowledge or because of a failed experiment. Either way, they can happen but that is the fun with this game.

Personally I'd rather play with people who have bad builds but are polite and friendly and nice versus playing with someone who has an awesome build but I can't stand. Just kicking someone from a group because a build doesn't meet "your approval" is rude and wrong. Ask them to change it nicely. Suggest alternatives. If they can't because they don't have a certain skill, try to move other skills around in the team to compensate.

just my 2 cents worth.

When your god (sorry should be good), your really good.

To misquote something that was once said about pornography ......

I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.

I play with either H/H or guild/alliance members. No bad players, just some that need advice and guidance.

Bad Player - knows better, but does it anyway

Noob - Don't like the word. Rubs me wrong way when I see it used. Like using the 'N' word for a certain race of people. (IMO)

Newbie = uneducated in a given environment, whether it be a game, job, forums, etc

A bad player is like porn, you know it when you see it

One of my Universty proffessor actualy made a very similar quote just replace "bad player" with "war'

I'd agree with that. I'd also stretch the term to cover any player who intentionally ruins the game for others - regardless of how "good" they are.

Still...it's all pretty subjective.

YOUR MOM LOLOLO

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Right, but seriously, if you need a definition for that... /sigh
Just go to RA, you'll see.

"Insanity is repeating an action expecting to achieve different results."

Not learning from mistakes defines the "bad" player. It isn't that he isn't skilled, it is that when he makes a mistake he does not learn from it. We have all made errors while playing, but those "bad" players among us will refuse to take those errors into consideration later down the road.

To me: One that carries out arrogance, and will not learn from his mistakes or take handy tips on skills that are severly bad. (Like Mending and Healing Breeze.)
Also think's they're a know-it-all but 70% of the time wrong.

A Newbie is a more suitable word for people who are new to the game, but willing to learn.

depends to whom you compare the bad player with =p

Bad players, eh?

they are easy to identify by one "Smart thing" they do: "GFL (whatever group) need (whatever), NO NOOBS!!111one". I am quite sure "noobs" would turn around and never join their group (that irony, btw).


Anyway, this is old wrieup of mine:

not guild wars but you get the picture:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU

lol.... just keep playing the game. You will meet a lot of bad players. can't explain it to you, I think it is better when you just experience it.

Example, for me, UW pug last night. Team is horrible (don't know which ones where the culprit). The run is taking way to long, I offer a suggestion to shorten the run, and I get flamed that I "don't know what I am talking about" and I "can just leave anytime I want". One guy keeps going with it, telling me I "suck", even though the party had been completely wiped three times (excluding me) due to overaggro, splitting up, hybrid builds, quests being taken out of order, people calling each other noobs, and general bad decisions (I kept quiet the entire time). I had rebirthed the party each time they wiped, I then started asking them to target the same enemy and hold the aggro and not run back towards the monks when they see their health go down a little (I play monk, and hate when people panic and run back at us when they see a little damage on their bar... noob move). This got one player extremely upset and he started showing his true colors.

While clearing the vengeful Aataxe mission, this one bad players continues to tell me that I can "leave whenever I want" and that I "suck", I ask him to stop, and he continues to go on, so I stop healing everyone and sit back.

The other monk in the party was an LoD monk and horrible. The party wiped extremely fast, proving a point that I was the primary one healing the party and that they needed me. I calmly asked the group to get their retarded guild member under control. I teleported us away rezzed their LoD monk, and the minute he was up, the "bad player" started flaming me again, telling me to leave. So, I waited till everyone was rezzed, asked them if they still wanted me to leave, and got a prompt "just leave you noob" from the bad player. I then aggroed two groups of Vengeful Aataxe and ran at the Reaper.

Needless to say, I normally don't do retarded stuff like that, however, I really enjoyed it. I had put up with a ton of abuse from a really bad player, and watched his other guild members on our team just sit there and allow him to abuse someone who was clearly better than he was. He pm threatening to murder me irl and that I "was the reason people can't do challenging missions, or have fun in the game". He said he was going to "come up behind me someday and cut an arm or leg off". I believe that kind of behavior is characteristic or one kind of bad player... although there are other kinds.

The funnest thing about this all is how tough he talked, when I would drop him in a second irl... lol. Too many people play keyboard thug and have no idea who they are talking on the other end.

Anyway, if you play long enough, you will get a better idea of the "bad player". My guild is really know for tearing into "bad players". I hate the fact that I had to resort to such a childish tactic last night to prove a point. Hopefully the point wasn't lost on the other side of the internet.

Somebody who never learns, or refuses to learn or take advice.

Also, personally I think bad players are those that ask questions constantly...and when you give them the answers they still dont understand. So you tell them to look at wiki so they can see for themselves, and learn more about the game...and 2 mins later they ask the same question again, obviously having failed to actually look for the info themselves.

No wait...that's probably not really my definition of a bad player, but it IS something I HATE...lol

A bad player is the one who doesn´t cooperate with his team.

The key to GW Is your equipment, the people you play with and your skills. The only bad players you find In PvP/PvE are the ones who have no resurrection skills. Otherwise It's COPY+PASTE off PvXwiki.

You will see bad players everywhere 'cept your guild hall. (maybe even there)
As example yesterday in RA one [skill]headbutt[/skill] warrior said that we all (3 warriors and monk) should target their monk. I refused to target monk who perma protted himself with [skill]shield of absorption[/skill] and [skill]shield of regeneration[/skill]. So i targeted their other stuff and got few kills while other two were hitting 0's, but we lost because our monk died to toxic chill necro. It was their only damage dealer. After the match that Zidane fan started to call me noob etc. I would have given him some advice but he was set himself offline.

So... you got the point i hope.

I've used Ursan before on certain missions. It doesn't mean I'm a bad player, especially if best choice for a team that was unbalanced was to run it. I suspect many people have used this build for odd situations, which doesn't make them a bad player at all, just thinking of all the options (even if Ursanway crosses their mind).

Don't jump to conclusions before thinking through things.

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One that won't stay the hell out of my agro circle when I am pulling.

Thats just one of my gripes

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I disagree with the statement that Usran=bad. I am sick of playing the same thing over and over like the "trinity" its a nice change of pace. We have been running Ursan in HM dungeons 2 nights now with 3 Hero healers. It is stupid insane fast and different. Everyones inner WAMMO is satisfied.

You know you are, don't deny it.

The guy in your PuG that's running Stoning and Grasping Earth on a Ranger when you asked for an anti-caster.

better yet, someone who doesn't get the whole agro circle and charges off

a bad player is someone who performs poorly in a given context with a given build.

a good player is someone who performs well in a given context with a given build.

good and bad is not always so clear cut. a player can be amazing in one context with one build, but absolutely terrible in another context with another build. labelling someone as bad because he can't play a shock axe in RA, but is amazing playing a monk in GvG, is just poor judgment.

imo, a bad player is some1 doesn't learn, won't listen and can't do things right.

Better yet...???

Good = Good
Bad = Bad

Very Zen... lol

I'd say a bad player is one that show poor sportsmanship-i.e. one that's insulting to everyone, one that is completely full of himself (or herself) and is generally a jerk to be around.

I'd also append on that a noob is a player who doesn't learn from mistakes, or just makes stupid ones. You've all played with this guy: the W/Mo that uses a scythe, the guy that stands right where the puller is pulling from, the sin that thinks he's invicible and shadow steps right into the middle of the mob and gets pwned etc. The guy that consistantly charges into the middle of combat and dies every. single. time.

To me a bad player is all about attitude. Noob is all about not showing the slightest bit of intelligence.

IMHO, a bad player is someone who ruins it for other people. In any way. It could be overaggroing to cause a mission failure, aggro pulling to kill a survivor, A survivor who quits when their team needs them, Scammers, botters, hackers, dupers, inconsiderate jerks, elitists, ragequitters, etc. The list goes on. Notice I don't say noobs, cause everyone was a noob at one point and there's nothing wrong with people just starting out. If nobody else joined the game it would die.

Noob =/= newb.