OK it might be that one time scenario where you have witness a somewhat connection, but let me assure you that it is very different.
I know both Mandarin and Taiwanese.. and if I spoke the same sentence in both dialects, even I can tell they are not alike at all.
Maybe there are a few words which are pronouced similarly but majority of the words are pronouced very differently.
I actually feel Mandarin and Cantonese are closer to each other, although I don't speak or understand much Cantonese, I feel it sounds much like Mandarin than Taiwanese to Mandarin.
Edit.
Back on topic: Anet please work something out! We want to play with everyone and talk to everyone from around the world!
Breaking News: Death of Taiwan, Macao and Hong Kong Region!?
SAQ
slowerpoke
sounds like some areas are more trouble than their worth
Dr Strangelove
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OK it might be that one time scenario where you have witness a somewhat connection, but let me assure you that it is very different.
I know both Mandarin and Taiwanese.. and if I spoke the same sentence in both dialects, even I can tell they are not alike at all. Maybe there are a few words which are pronouced similarly but majority of the words are pronouced very differently. I actually feel Mandarin and Cantonese are closer to each other, although I don't speak or understand much Cantonese, I feel it sounds much like Mandarin than Taiwanese to Mandarin. Edit. Back on topic: Anet please work something out! We want to play with everyone and talk to everyone from around the world! |
In western languages, which I don't suck at, it's like the relationship between French and German. However, it's probably a little different for someone who can say more than "your mother is an ugly chicken".
Ceylon Tea Cat
Sorry, but I think it's quite off topic, isn't it?
As a people who lives in Taiwan, I thought I'm both Tawianese and Chinese.
It's really complex to say this like culture or goverment between Mainland China and Taiwan.(as you saw, we called us as Republic of China, you can find it in Wikipedia for more info.)
On the topic, there's panic between players belonging to Taiwanese server.
Please, we need promise : our account will still there, won't be deleted or gone. And we hope we can trade & chat with other players in other servers one day, just like we could before April 1st.
And I must say that we DON'T have new goverment after April 1st, and we dont have any changing about Online game laws. I think this is really strange as this mentioned in offical news from Anet. What is the REAL thought of Anet?
EDITed: Btw, where's my thread yesterday?(the topic is :Please, we're NOT professional farmer~~~)
It's just disappeared in Riverside Inn...
As a people who lives in Taiwan, I thought I'm both Tawianese and Chinese.
It's really complex to say this like culture or goverment between Mainland China and Taiwan.(as you saw, we called us as Republic of China, you can find it in Wikipedia for more info.)
On the topic, there's panic between players belonging to Taiwanese server.
Please, we need promise : our account will still there, won't be deleted or gone. And we hope we can trade & chat with other players in other servers one day, just like we could before April 1st.
And I must say that we DON'T have new goverment after April 1st, and we dont have any changing about Online game laws. I think this is really strange as this mentioned in offical news from Anet. What is the REAL thought of Anet?
EDITed: Btw, where's my thread yesterday?(the topic is :Please, we're NOT professional farmer~~~)
It's just disappeared in Riverside Inn...
Lady Lozza
Redrum38, so what you are saying is shut down the server in Taiwan and move everyone there to the NA server. I don't know how many players normally play on that server but I think that might cause lag issues.
Also simply moving the server complicates the problem as to whether or not a player plays by the laws within the country they are residing (playing) or by the laws of the country where the server is hosted.
The internet is a complicated issue especially in the case of east meets west where the laws between a lot of western countires can be vasty different to the laws of a lot of asian countries.
I do feel for the genuine players caught up in this - but it isn't Anet's fault. There are a LOT of things that complicate these matters. The fact that IT and the internet cannot feasibly be administered by laws is merely one of the problems.
As for the notice given - I think Anet probably wanted to stop RMT companies moving their money into "off-shore" accounts.
Also simply moving the server complicates the problem as to whether or not a player plays by the laws within the country they are residing (playing) or by the laws of the country where the server is hosted.
The internet is a complicated issue especially in the case of east meets west where the laws between a lot of western countires can be vasty different to the laws of a lot of asian countries.
I do feel for the genuine players caught up in this - but it isn't Anet's fault. There are a LOT of things that complicate these matters. The fact that IT and the internet cannot feasibly be administered by laws is merely one of the problems.
As for the notice given - I think Anet probably wanted to stop RMT companies moving their money into "off-shore" accounts.
SAQ
Ultimately the legit Taiwanese players are sacrificed for the good of the rest of GW population.
We get the slack.. great..
We get the slack.. great..
distilledwill
Wow. thats pretty awful. Poor Taiwanese peeps!
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As for the notice given - I think Anet probably wanted to stop RMT companies moving their money into "off-shore" accounts.
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Lets put it this way, could you imagine what the community would be like if the knew no matter what they said or what they did they could only get a 7 day ban?
Lady Lozza
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I would guess it goes beyond that, there are many legitimate reasons for a permanent ban that have nothing to do at all with gold sellers.
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deadlynoob
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Lets put it this way, could you imagine what the community would be like if the knew no matter what they said or what they did they could only get a 7 day ban?
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extracted from 97.1.7線上遊戲定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項
(2008.1.07 online game contract making rules)
十九、 契約之終止及退費。
甲方有下列重大情事之一者，乙方得於通知甲方後，立即終止本契約：
二、以利用外掛程式、病毒程式、遊戲程式漏洞或其他違反公平合理之方式進行遊戲。
if the gamer has violated one of the below condition, the service provider can contact the gamer and instantly stop providing the service:
the usage of third party applications (bot,hacks), virus programs, game/program glitches, and other actions which violates the fairness
of the game
= permanent bannable, its just that if you wanted to ban for a period of time, the maximum time allowed is 1 week, but you might not always get that lucky
oh yea, as a side note, Chinese is the race, Taiwanese is a dialect, Mainland China/Taiwan is a location, ROC/PRC is the country.
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I believe we already got that cleared? That your government doesn't allow Anet banning accounts for more than 7 days? Anet already promised your accounts won't be deleted etc on the official announcement what more promises do you need?
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Anet already promised your accounts won't be deleted , but it is not enough .
Because of now Anet is aggrieving our right .
We want to protect our right and get it back .
We can understand the new law maybe will restrict game companies in that region from effectively suspending or banning accounts for participating in professional farming or real-money trading .
But this question is for Anet not players , I think that Anet need to do is trying to think how to solve this question , not aggrieve the right of legal players in Taiwanese district .
The new law be advertised on 2007-11-16 (found on google) , and we be cut off on 2008-04-01 , Anet have a few months to try thinking how to solve this question , but they didn't , they just cut off .
When GW came to Taiwan , there is a very important point on their advertisement video (You can downlord it on Taiwan official web , and can know its content if you can read or listen Chinese) .
"GW is different with other online game , it is not independent or regional , only have one consolidated server , even your account belonged to Taiwanese district , you still can play PVE or PVP with other countries players in international district" . <= You can find this in their advertisement video .
So can travel to international district is a right not a privilege .
And why we bought GW ont paid every month , just because of this .
But now Anet cut off Taiwanese district , they are aggrieving our right .
deadlynoob
trade with real money is just another form of currency exchange...... its like buying online game points
just that they have to find other players since NC shop doesn't provide gold~
(but still have unlock pack which can help you save xxxxxxxxxx amount of gold~)
just that they have to find other players since NC shop doesn't provide gold~
(but still have unlock pack which can help you save xxxxxxxxxx amount of gold~)
tmakinen
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Chinese is the race
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Try 'cultural identity' for a more insightful statement
About the OP: tough, but I can't see what else ANet can do.
deadlynoob
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you are not helping yourself by blaming everything on Anet, get a refund and sue them for wasting your game time if you are so concerned about your "rights".
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if Anet is violating the rights of players, then it ultimately have to pay the responsibility, and not everyone just want to have the refund, i bought my gw cause i was too rich and had nothing else to buy~
@tmakinen O_O so technical~
well my suggestion to Anet might be just transfer current tw accounts to us accounts and govern them with the us style rules
(even though i don't know how works, think of it as when softnyx sold gunbound to ijji, there was a huge transfer of accounts)
deadlynoob
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And how would you know which accounts belong to the RMT companies and which doesn't?
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btw i am Canadian~ i never said i were Chinese
ShoGunTheOne
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deadlynoob
never lived in China, but saw your voting process on TV before~
xxxx vote for approval, 0 vote for disapproval, x vote forfeit
i see~
back to the topic, you will never know which account belongs to RMT, the same way you can never knew who has been selling their gold for money. So you mean that only tw people will sell gold for money, but not other people? Well, find a way to prevent selling gold for money happening first. If anet is unable to prevent with their power, maybe they shouldnt trouble with imposing a rule which they cannot reinforce
xxxx vote for approval, 0 vote for disapproval, x vote forfeit
i see~
back to the topic, you will never know which account belongs to RMT, the same way you can never knew who has been selling their gold for money. So you mean that only tw people will sell gold for money, but not other people? Well, find a way to prevent selling gold for money happening first. If anet is unable to prevent with their power, maybe they shouldnt trouble with imposing a rule which they cannot reinforce
tmakinen
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redrum38
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you are not helping yourself by blaming everything on Anet, get a refund and sue them for wasting your game time if you are so concerned about your "rights".
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We are preparing for sue Anet and get a refund if they still don't give us a benevolent reply .
deadlynoob
I am both chinese and canadian, therefore i looked at both side of the mirror.
i never said i werent chinese neither
i never said i werent chinese neither
deadlynoob
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If you've been reading this thread you should see the point that other country doesn't have a problem with Anet banning blocking which turns out to be a pretty effective way of shutting down bots. It's the tw government that's not allowing them to use such method and that's the cause of this isolation. How else are you going to stop RMT in game? Are you suggesting them to hire a person going through the "trade logs" and see who's trading everyone 100k each day?
The other side of the mirror meaning seeing how it's pictured in Chinese media which I don't believe you've ever seen any? |
therefore Anet can still ban those accounts.
the 7 day banning period is the maximum allowed time for a short time ban. But if they are really affecting the fairness of the game, Anet could shut down their service toward them.
again, it is Anet's responsibility to reinforce rules/laws that they made. You don't doom the whole society just because few individual are behaving bad
dp deteced above
deadlynoob
Or it might be a evil plot of the communist to invade tw by selling gold in the name of tw players, to ruin their global status and appearance, you never know.
deadlynoob
how am i suppose to flame back with that bad, lack of content statement
Its getting boring, seems like you were out of points. Anyways,
1. If Anet want to reinforce a law/rule, they have the responsibility to pick out those individuals who are violating the rule, not to doom the whole society.
2. Anet still have the power to ban player who violated the rules/laws they imposed. Its not as rumored of 7 days only ban.
3.Real Money trading isn't a big issue if and only if the gold that they harvest was from a legit method. If the gold that are botted are circulating around the community, it is still Anet's fault for not being able to prevent it from happening. Think of those as counterfeits that got carried over to TW. Its just like another form of NCshop, except they are selling something that NCshop isn't offering
4.Isolating the tw server will violet some people's right to play the game, and Anet should put responsibility into this issue and resolve the problem.
Its getting boring, seems like you were out of points. Anyways,
1. If Anet want to reinforce a law/rule, they have the responsibility to pick out those individuals who are violating the rule, not to doom the whole society.
2. Anet still have the power to ban player who violated the rules/laws they imposed. Its not as rumored of 7 days only ban.
3.Real Money trading isn't a big issue if and only if the gold that they harvest was from a legit method. If the gold that are botted are circulating around the community, it is still Anet's fault for not being able to prevent it from happening. Think of those as counterfeits that got carried over to TW. Its just like another form of NCshop, except they are selling something that NCshop isn't offering
4.Isolating the tw server will violet some people's right to play the game, and Anet should put responsibility into this issue and resolve the problem.
strcpy
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strcpy - I was actually referring to the amount of notice given. It was relatively short notice, but I think Anet did it to prevent either 1) a sudden flood of RMT trying to get rid of their wares, or 2) RMT shifting goods to and NA/EU account.
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untrue
if the gamer has violated one of the below condition, the service provider can contact the gamer and instantly stop providing the service: the usage of third party applications (bot,hacks), virus programs, game/program glitches, and other actions which violates the fairness of the game |
I too would do isolate given the law as translated - the vast majority of businesses would too. In fact my guess is that if this law had been in effect from the start you just would never have had the chance to play the game. Is there a large market? You bet, but then a really large market where you total cost of doing business is most likely going to be a loss per unit sold isn't a very attractive one. No business is going to go into that situation no matter how much people rant over it or think it is unfair - talk to your govt about being too protectionist.
zwei2stein
Idea:
Don't explicitly ban undesirable users, simply delete their accounts. There is difference.
Or:
Don't explicitly ban undesirable users, simply give them connection related errors. (ups 072 - service is down ... for you.)
(Yes, i know those ideas are kinda cheesy like previous ones, but come on, its workable, company should fight for their right not to service undesirable customers)
Don't explicitly ban undesirable users, simply delete their accounts. There is difference.
Or:
Don't explicitly ban undesirable users, simply give them connection related errors. (ups 072 - service is down ... for you.)
(Yes, i know those ideas are kinda cheesy like previous ones, but come on, its workable, company should fight for their right not to service undesirable customers)
redrum38
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LMAO! I'm ss this. Wow if you ever get it right it's your government's fault not Anet's fault. If you are so blindly loyal have nothing to do but to bias your government you deserver to lose the case.
On the side note I searched your sell threads and you were one of the panda sellers are you pissed cause you'd be losing so much in game money? Speculation and don't flame me back if that's not why you are so enthusiastic about this subject. |
As I said .
We can understand the new law maybe will restrict Anet in that region from effectively suspending or banning accounts for participating in professional farming or real-money trading .
But this question is for Anet not players .
Have to try thinking how to solve this question is Anet not players .
We only know when we bought GW , they tell us "GW is different with other online game , it is not independent or regional , only have one consolidated server , even your account belonged to Taiwanese district , you still can play PVE or PVP with other countries players in international district" in their advertisement video .
Now we can't travel to international district , we can't whisper or play together with our friends who in other district , but other district players still can do those .
In Taiwanese district only have a few players , now we can't play RA TA HA AB anytime , it is hard to find other players to make a party , but before 4/1 we can do it easy in international district .
If your district only have a few players and be cut off , would you say "That's OK , don't care about it" ? I don't think so .
In fact now our right be aggrieved by Anet , right ?
How could you know that I had sold my panda or not .
I own a panda but so what .
Because of I own a panda so Anet can aggrieve my right ?
If I get anything by a legal way , I think that I can own those when GW still operate .
Articubone
So let's have a quick summary, then...
What we know:
- Anet has restricted Taiwan accounts in ways that could affect non-Taiwan economy, but hasn't restricted them from core gameplay (though technically isolating a small community so they have less people to play with could be argued as reducing quality of gameplay)
- cited reason is "law preventing gold sellers being perma-banned"
- we haven't been given any direct citation of the law, but at the moment we're assuming it's one that says "can't ban players for more than 7 days for any one reason"
What we DON'T know (or are arguing about):
- Can players be legitimately perma-banned or have their accounts deleted? Does the law only apply to bans of a certain time period, or is 'max 7 days' meant to be for ANY ban, including what is meant to be permanent?
- What time did this law come into effect? We've had the date of November '07 tossed around, but we don't know if the law was only proposed/accepted then or if it actually started to apply from that date. It would make a difference between Anet keeping mum about this and Anet waiting till the last possible second to make a decision in the hopes it would be reversed or something.
- Did Anet consider any other options? Could they have done so?
Could the Taiwan-speaking players here please translate as much as they can of the legislation in terms of the things we don't know yet? It would be a great help to not just have the basic summary of the 'max 7 day' statement to go on.
Obviously, for the options part we would need someone from Anet to give a more detailed explanation of why this particular route was chosen, but considering how they're often strapped for time/bound by secrecy of some sort, that probably won't happen.
What we know:
- Anet has restricted Taiwan accounts in ways that could affect non-Taiwan economy, but hasn't restricted them from core gameplay (though technically isolating a small community so they have less people to play with could be argued as reducing quality of gameplay)
- cited reason is "law preventing gold sellers being perma-banned"
- we haven't been given any direct citation of the law, but at the moment we're assuming it's one that says "can't ban players for more than 7 days for any one reason"
What we DON'T know (or are arguing about):
- Can players be legitimately perma-banned or have their accounts deleted? Does the law only apply to bans of a certain time period, or is 'max 7 days' meant to be for ANY ban, including what is meant to be permanent?
- What time did this law come into effect? We've had the date of November '07 tossed around, but we don't know if the law was only proposed/accepted then or if it actually started to apply from that date. It would make a difference between Anet keeping mum about this and Anet waiting till the last possible second to make a decision in the hopes it would be reversed or something.
- Did Anet consider any other options? Could they have done so?
Could the Taiwan-speaking players here please translate as much as they can of the legislation in terms of the things we don't know yet? It would be a great help to not just have the basic summary of the 'max 7 day' statement to go on.
Obviously, for the options part we would need someone from Anet to give a more detailed explanation of why this particular route was chosen, but considering how they're often strapped for time/bound by secrecy of some sort, that probably won't happen.
michfho
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No the Taiwan RMT don't use bots they hire people to play.
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Q: Why use programs?
A: A matter of productivity. With help of programs, one person can control (or actually just monitor most of the time) several computers.
Q: Why I know this?
A: I knew few people who were calling "professional farmers" themselves (in some other popular MMO games in China).
Buzzer
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So let's have a quick summary, then...
What we know: - Anet has restricted Taiwan accounts in ways that could affect non-Taiwan economy, but hasn't restricted them from core gameplay (though technically isolating a small community so they have less people to play with could be argued as reducing quality of gameplay) - cited reason is "law preventing gold sellers being perma-banned" - we haven't been given any direct citation of the law, but at the moment we're assuming it's one that says "can't ban players for more than 7 days for any one reason" What we DON'T know (or are arguing about): - Can players be legitimately perma-banned or have their accounts deleted? Does the law only apply to bans of a certain time period, or is 'max 7 days' meant to be for ANY ban, including what is meant to be permanent? - What time did this law come into effect? We've had the date of November '07 tossed around, but we don't know if the law was only proposed/accepted then or if it actually started to apply from that date. It would make a difference between Anet keeping mum about this and Anet waiting till the last possible second to make a decision in the hopes it would be reversed or something. - Did Anet consider any other options? Could they have done so? Could the Taiwan-speaking players here please translate as much as they can of the legislation in terms of the things we don't know yet? It would be a great help to not just have the basic summary of the 'max 7 day' statement to go on. Obviously, for the options part we would need someone from Anet to give a more detailed explanation of why this particular route was chosen, but considering how they're often strapped for time/bound by secrecy of some sort, that probably won't happen. |
kenny79321
I come from Taiwan.
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Lineage II , a game whose agent is the same as GW in Taiwan,
can Delete the unlawful account, such as bots or money trading.
Lineage II can do that. Why GW cannot?
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Lineage II , a game whose agent is the same as GW in Taiwan,
can Delete the unlawful account, such as bots or money trading.
Lineage II can do that. Why GW cannot?
Darksun
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Oh please, media can picture anything they want. Also Westerners already have bias toward Chinese people to be honest.
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deadlynoob
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So let's have a quick summary, then...
What we DON'T know (or are arguing about): - Can players be legitimately perma-banned or have their accounts deleted? Does the law only apply to bans of a certain time period, or is 'max 7 days' meant to be for ANY ban, including what is meant to be permanent? - What time did this law come into effect? We've had the date of November '07 tossed around, but we don't know if the law was only proposed/accepted then or if it actually started to apply from that date. It would make a difference between Anet keeping mum about this and Anet waiting till the last possible second to make a decision in the hopes it would be reversed or something. - Did Anet consider any other options? Could they have done so? Could the Taiwan-speaking players here please translate as much as they can of the legislation in terms of the things we don't know yet? It would be a great help to not just have the basic summary of the 'max 7 day' statement to go on. Obviously, for the options part we would need someone from Anet to give a more detailed explanation of why this particular route was chosen, but considering how they're often strapped for time/bound by secrecy of some sort, that probably won't happen. |
zwei2stein
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- law is made 2008.1.07. Anet/service providers has the absolute right to permanent ban/stopping the service if the gamer has violated certain rules(3rd party apps, virus, glitch, RMT etc.) 7 day period is the maximum time if you were to do a period ban. The law is the template for contracting forming for service providers (to avoid unfair contracts game providers make)
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In internet era, its easy to spread word. And it easy to make research. And even easier to choose different game to play. Thats all the protection customers needs.
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THIS IS A BRILLIANT IDEA! Please permit me to build on it a little more. Option 1: Reinstate district travel. TW accounts cannot trade or drop except on the TW servers. All other accounts cannot trade or drop on the TW servers. There, economic isolation accomplished, but you can still play together. (Variant: Allow other accounts to trade on the TW servers, and then monitor them for gold-buyers. Since virtually no one goes to the Taiwan servers to trade for legitimate reasons, it would be very easy to catch gold buyers this way. Option 2: OK, so we can't ban TW accounts for more than 7 days, but we can still action TW accounts in other ways besides bans. So, in place of a permaban, why not give a bot account a perma-cannot-trade-or-drop-stuff-status? That would screw a bot account just as effectively as a ban. Now, go reconnect TW to the rest of the world. I particularly like option #2. |
I'm from Taiwan and have being playing this game with my boyfriend for about half year. we bought the Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall, Eye of the North and Bonus Mission Pack as well, in a once payment form.
we love this game, though it may not be so popular in Asia then other MMOs, but GW has indeed fascinated us.
Me and my boyfriend never BOT or RMT or do anything violate the game rules, just play happily with friends online, explore dungeon with guild friends, or some time AB with others. GW is the best online game we ever had and i don't think i can find any other game will make me feel so comfortable, especially in Asia.
But these are all changed after Apr 1st-- no longer than two months after we bought the Bonus Mission Pack, not only because we cannot contact or play with our friends in other district, but also playing in a whelming of fear, fear that our server might be shut down in a short while like that in China.
I've read the new law, hopelessly found how inadvisable it is then, i noticed these two suggestions can solve all the problems that Anet had pronounced.
I'm not here to ask for my right or justice or sort of things, but only ask for some alternative resolutions, the resolution can bring us back to our fellow friends and rescue us from the terrible fear.
Anet, we're sincerely asking you reconsider these suggestions and show us some hope, the things we lost from isolation are not just what you can see in name only.
Gli
From what I've been reading on this thread, (and mind you, that's all the info I got) it would seem the 7 day refund thing that was mentioned somewhere might be the dealbreaker for ANet.
Imagine this: Buy an account, bot your ass off for 6.5 days or until ban, whichever happens first, then get a refund. Rinse and repeat.
Imagine this: Buy an account, bot your ass off for 6.5 days or until ban, whichever happens first, then get a refund. Rinse and repeat.
Gaile Gray
I wanted to update everyone that we are continuing to look at various options for players from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau. We do, as always, intend to take care of our players. I wish I had more information for you, but we'll update you as soon as we have some details to share.
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From what I've been reading on this thread, (and mind you, that's all the info I got) it would seem the 7 day refund thing that was mentioned somewhere might be the dealbreaker for ANet.
Imagine this: Buy an account, bot your ass off for 6.5 days or until ban, whichever happens first, then get a refund. Rinse and repeat. |
I can imagine this sort of legislation hitting a company with a 'once-off payment' scheme pretty damn hard.
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I wanted to update everyone that we are continuing to look at various options for players from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau. We do, as always, intend to take care of our players. I wish I had more information for you, but we'll update you as soon as we have some details to share.
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15. GENERAL PROVISIONS This Agreement is governed by and shall be construed and enforced under the laws of The State of Texas, without applying any conflicts of law principles which would require application of the law of any other jurisdiction. NC Interactive and you each hereby irrevocably consent to the jurisdiction of the courts of the State of Texas for all purposes in connection with any action or proceeding which arises out of or relates to this Agreement and agree that any action or proceeding instituted under this Agreement shall be brought only in the state courts of Travis County, State of Texas. If any provision of this Agreement is held to be invalid or unenforceable, such provision shall be struck and the remaining provisions shall be enforced. The UN Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly disclaimed. |