Why was the 55 build never majorly nerfed?
Noel Hope
The day they nerf Prot Spirit is the day I quit GW.
MagmaRed
Shadow Form farmers
Obsidian Flesh farmers
600/Smite farmers
600/Famine farmers
55 is hardly the only, or even most effective farming build. Even without regen skills like Healing Breeze or Mystic Regen, a 55 can farm areas with no degen. Shield of Absorption and Shielding Hands work for that.
Obsidian Flesh farmers
600/Smite farmers
600/Famine farmers
55 is hardly the only, or even most effective farming build. Even without regen skills like Healing Breeze or Mystic Regen, a 55 can farm areas with no degen. Shield of Absorption and Shielding Hands work for that.
N1ghtstalker
cuz a 55 is only of decent use in warrior/ranger areas without heavy interupts and enchantrips?
seriously
heavy degen and enchantrips and your 55 can say goodbye
seriously
heavy degen and enchantrips and your 55 can say goodbye
Randvek
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Originally Posted by Winterclaw
Izzy said something along the lines that Prot Spirit is too important to nerf. So as long as you have regen skills, 55ing will live on.
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warcrap
nerf word of healing then leave everything else alone.
Alleji
If they wanted to kill the farming build they'd make the clause "10% max health or 50...24...19 damage". Simple fix, the biggest problem they'd have would probably be clear wording.
Mr. Undisclosed
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Originally Posted by Food
Lol, fine. How about a large majority of the farmers.
But yeah, on another note, I agree with the above posts, 55ing is here to stay, live with it. It's not affecting any of us, and if you 55, props to you, if you don't, then don't. Go QQ somewhere else please  ( Mr. Undisclosed the latter section was not deticated to you if you have not figured that out ) |
6am3 Fana71c
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Topic. Simple question. Simple philosophical question.
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55 won't get nerfed because:
1) Doesn't effect PvP
2) People would just move to other builds if it does get nerfed
3) Wait, who cares for PvE?
Also, go back to WoW, kktnx.
acidic artist
if it werent for 55ing ecto would still be up towards 17k each and all you cry baby newbs wouldnt have your 1337 pwnage FoW armor
HawkofStorms
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Originally Posted by 6am3 Fana71c
Obvious troll is obvious.
55 won't get nerfed because: 1) Doesn't effect PvP 2) People would just move to other builds if it does get nerfed 3) Wait, who cares for PvE? Also, go back to WoW, kktnx. |
Holly Herro
My opinion:
Take out the first number from every skill on every skill bar.
Example:
"You heal this person for 150hp"
Take out the 1, and it's 50! ;o
And do this for health, energy, recharge time, everything. xD
Sins will be.. daed?
Take out the first number from every skill on every skill bar.
Example:
"You heal this person for 150hp"
Take out the 1, and it's 50! ;o
And do this for health, energy, recharge time, everything. xD
Sins will be.. daed?
Avarre
Killing the 55 build wouldn't stop farming. It would just shift farming onto other character types. 55 is balanced in that each class has a way of solo farming - to remove it would just annoy people without having a real effect.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Randvek
... it would change the meta so much that GW might not recover. ....
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zwei2stein
Anyone claiming that 55hp cant solo areas with enchant strippers/degen/interrupts needs to go back two years and find some legendary "Ubermancer" threads.
That was awesome stuff was possible with prophecies-only skills.
That was awesome stuff was possible with prophecies-only skills.
Destro Maniak
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Topic. Simple question. Simple philosophical question.
Aside from the Prot Bond nerf 2 years ago, ArenaNet has done nothing to that borderline abusive farming technique. |
NO
MagmaRed
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Originally Posted by acidic artist
if it werent for 55ing ecto would still be up towards 17k each and all you cry baby newbs wouldnt have your 1337 pwnage FoW armor
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E/Me
Rt/W
W/Rt
A/E
E/A
I may have forgotten a few, as I don't solo any of it. But the idea that 55s farming ecto is what makes the ecto price what it is..... its just wrong.
FrAnt1c??
What is everyones problem with farming? Just let the kids farm their gold ffs...
Sparks Dawnbringer
What makes you think they did not expect some form of 55 in the beginning after all they put the -50 focus in for a reason.
kooomar
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
Yes, because the following class options do not have a way to SOLO ecto farming, and the 55 requires a partner.
E/Me Rt/W W/Rt A/E E/A I may have forgotten a few, as I don't solo any of it. But the idea that 55s farming ecto is what makes the ecto price what it is..... its just wrong. |
So, again, you are correct in that all of these professions can solo, but before these existed, bot 55s flooded the market.
Sir Pandra Pierva
BTW it was 55 nec that really caused the problems in UW wasn't it?
But LS really hit the 55 bots........please dont nerf my easy lazy farming ways..
lets not forget 600/smite as well.
as another famous monk farm.
But LS really hit the 55 bots........please dont nerf my easy lazy farming ways..
lets not forget 600/smite as well.
as another famous monk farm.
Esprit
I thought the answer was obvious enough... it keeps people playing. For the majority of players who play only to farm and make money, nerfing their primary build would probably make them quit and Anet does not want to alienate their farmers too much. 
RavagerOfDreams
why nerf the 55 build? not overpowered. not a money hog unless you sit there for a ridiculously long amount of time. balanced in pve as well as pvp.
lets not nerf the skills that don't need to be
lets not nerf the skills that don't need to be
Coloneh
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Topic. Simple question. Simple philosophical question.
Aside from the Prot Bond nerf 2 years ago, ArenaNet has done nothing to that borderline abusive farming technique. |
dunky_g
cos its a farming build for newbies, the best builds nowerdays are group clears as you get much better loot and normally a chest drop.
55ing is just for small time money, unless its in Uw, but thats in a team of 2.
55ing is just for small time money, unless its in Uw, but thats in a team of 2.
Riceboi
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Originally Posted by Xx_Sorin_xX
that and im not sure that theres a great way TO nerf it without destroying skills
besides, often for farming they just screw around with the means of offense/nerfing the place being farmed. |
Options:
1) get rid of Protective spirit?
Monks take a hit and harder parts of PvE would be real hard especially in HM. It would take strategy away from PvP also.
2) Don't make health penalties stack from superior runes.
This is obvious why they wouldn't change that. 4 sup runes FTW!!
3) Make it cost more energy, increase recharge time, increase casting time.
Again yeah they could do this but the spell is useful as it is now. The spell would get a lot less use if some of these tactics were employed.
4) Make it so you can't cast it on yourself.
yeah would hurt solo farming, but that still leaves duo farming open which many people do anyway, and monks once again take a hit.
Protective spirit is a very important protection prayer skill and I would not be pressed to say makes protection prayers exactly what the name implies, Protection as in protection from large amounts of damage.
ok i guess that's it lol. And yes I'm still mad about the protective bond nerf. Now that skills is fairly useless but not totally.
Age
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Originally Posted by dunky_g
cos its a farming build for newbies, the best builds nowerdays are group clears as you get much better loot and normally a chest drop.
55ing is just for small time money, unless its in Uw, but thats in a team of 2. |
Risus
NOOOO. My non-existant 55 will suffer from this!
/notsigned
Think about the economical ramifications this will cause. Probably THE MOST popular farming build won't work will remove a HUGE amount of money from the economy. Prices will skyrocket. Don't post stupid threads. and as for the post ^^^^^^, no, 55'ing is no just for those type of drops. Lockpicks galore when solo farming, as well as tomes and golds. A dedicated farmer makes >50k an hour 55'ing the right spots.
/notsigned
Think about the economical ramifications this will cause. Probably THE MOST popular farming build won't work will remove a HUGE amount of money from the economy. Prices will skyrocket. Don't post stupid threads. and as for the post ^^^^^^, no, 55'ing is no just for those type of drops. Lockpicks galore when solo farming, as well as tomes and golds. A dedicated farmer makes >50k an hour 55'ing the right spots.
dunky_g
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Originally Posted by Age
55 build is for newbies think agian not everyone can 55.
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you only need a simple amount of Gw knowlage to understand the concept of a 55.
R.Shayne
Whole thread title is wrong, the 55 was majorly nerfed two times. Once when [Protective Bond] was nerfed so bad it would never get used again and a second time when Loot Scaling was introduced and all forms of solo farming took a major hit. Loot Scaling always made me wonder about the A-Net team, while tagged as a counter to gold sellers it probably caused an increased demand for gold sellers.
$hade.
Sigh loot scaling ftl. Not anymore fun goin and killing a jillion guys and getting a white wand and 150 gold per run...
ElinoraNeSangre
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Originally Posted by $hade.
Sigh loot scaling ftl. Not anymore fun goin and killing a jillion guys and getting a white wand and 150 gold per run...
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Mac Sidewinder
I'm pretty sure the 55 build is no where near as popular as it used to be. It's probably been taken over by the ursan build now. If Anet was really worried about farming then they would have done something about ursan.
Anet fixed the farmers with loot scaling and such so I doubt anything else will be done with most farming builds. They may get nerfed because of changes to pvp balences but not because of pve.
Anet fixed the farmers with loot scaling and such so I doubt anything else will be done with most farming builds. They may get nerfed because of changes to pvp balences but not because of pve.
LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
what does not make sence in the 55 MONK build is the fact that all 5 superior runes dont stack in attribute wise, but the health loss still stacks. Logically, only eles should be able to 55 since they have 5 attributes, and other classes only have 4.
if they WANTED to nurf the 55 monk (the most effective class to 55 with) tehy would just make the negative HP not to stack if the attributes bonuses dont stack. Or just remove the -50 item, but people would find a way around it with DP and -20 focuses. |
The only fix I see is making Prot spirit like Spirit bond. If that were to happen hard mode would be ridiculous but it would still be useful in PvP.
Protective Spirit is one of the backbones in PVE, but most spikes are stopped with Spirit Bond in PVP. That is because the number of 100+ damage skills is very low and often times a 70-80 or so heal is more beneficial than reducing to 60 or so (less if you use superiors and majors).
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Originally Posted by Riceboi
True! It would be hard for them to nerf.
Options: 2) Don't make health penalties stack from superior runes. This is obvious why they wouldn't change that. 4 sup runes FTW!! 4) Make it so you can't cast it on yourself. yeah would hurt solo farming, but that still leaves duo farming open which many people do anyway, and monks once again take a hit. |
4 is a bad option because it results in multimonk teams for defense and 3 monk backlines.
uby
... cap maximum health loss at, say, 250hp.
then you'd have to run around with much higher hp, making it much harder to out-regen the damage you take.
then you'd have to run around with much higher hp, making it much harder to out-regen the damage you take.
Bront
Why nerf it?
Seriously, you can't run though the entire game with a 55 monk build (several areas have enchantment stripping, lots of swarming enemies, interupts, degen, etc), so in some areas it rules, and in others, it gets smoked easily.
The right build should be able to roll over some areas. Few builds can roll over all areas. The 55 is far from an ultimate build, since it actually has several weaknesses (Degen, enchantment removal, and interrupts), and most of the skills it uses are less usefull outside of that build (Prot Spirit is generally useful, but Healing Breeze and Mending?)
Seriously, you can't run though the entire game with a 55 monk build (several areas have enchantment stripping, lots of swarming enemies, interupts, degen, etc), so in some areas it rules, and in others, it gets smoked easily.
The right build should be able to roll over some areas. Few builds can roll over all areas. The 55 is far from an ultimate build, since it actually has several weaknesses (Degen, enchantment removal, and interrupts), and most of the skills it uses are less usefull outside of that build (Prot Spirit is generally useful, but Healing Breeze and Mending?)
Thizzle
The 55 without unless in a dual team was strictly limited to melee combat and physical damage mostly, you could still farm caster enemies, bosses, and mobs. Once they added the AoE enchanced AI that's when it was basically gg for the 55 monk. This build was invinicble to some, but if you forget that a monster can strip enchantments that's the end.
The most memorable and profitable runs for a solo 55 were UW, FoW, and Troll Farming. It didn't get much better than all those ectos, shards, and troll tusks (lol) dropping to get insane amounts of gold.
The most memorable and profitable runs for a solo 55 were UW, FoW, and Troll Farming. It didn't get much better than all those ectos, shards, and troll tusks (lol) dropping to get insane amounts of gold.
Master Sword Keeper
doesnt affect me at all..
nerf the crap out of it... Not prot spirit but somethin else.
I know tons of other areas to farm lots of cash.
Let's See, DoA, FoW, UW, CoF.... There's TONS of places.
solo 55'ing's a thing of the past. Bury it and move on.
nerf the crap out of it... Not prot spirit but somethin else.
I know tons of other areas to farm lots of cash.
Let's See, DoA, FoW, UW, CoF.... There's TONS of places.
solo 55'ing's a thing of the past. Bury it and move on.
HuntMaster Avatar
I say nerf everything that works, Break the game completely, Piss off every player so gw dies. If we wanna hate people for their ability to make more money than us, or because they use a build we dont like, I say we should be nerfed also.
Everytime someone says "wow this builds is cool and fun" nerf the hell out of it til its useless to use. Make us all do thousands of runs for hundreds of gold and tons of crap non max drops. We should be required to spend hundreds of hours trying to sell crap to players and not the merchants.
I have a better idea! Remove the Buy feature from all merchants! Then we can only sell to players!
Ruin GW FTW! Nerf everything everyone loves and hates and nerf the stuff we havnt thought of yet!
Abuse your power arena net, We request it! Kill our fun!
Everytime someone says "wow this builds is cool and fun" nerf the hell out of it til its useless to use. Make us all do thousands of runs for hundreds of gold and tons of crap non max drops. We should be required to spend hundreds of hours trying to sell crap to players and not the merchants.
I have a better idea! Remove the Buy feature from all merchants! Then we can only sell to players!
Ruin GW FTW! Nerf everything everyone loves and hates and nerf the stuff we havnt thought of yet!
Abuse your power arena net, We request it! Kill our fun!
Master Sword Keeper
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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar
I say nerf everything that works, Break the good builds. Abuse your power arena net, We request it! Kill our fun!
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Okay so he's got a point...but if we really wanted to sort this mess out...Loot scaling should be removed...Bots are minimal. Isn't it time to start rebuilding the market and make gold more common?
HuntMaster Avatar
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Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper
I feel your anger...kinda, sorta, really.
Okay so he's got a point...but if we really wanted to sort this mess out...Loot scaling should be removed...Bots are minimal. Isn't it time to start rebuilding the market and make gold more common? |
I do feel bad that whenever someone finds something that works it seems they are destined for a wet nerfball to the face. But with all these new games coming out, GW better step up or pretty soon the entire game will be like a ghost town. I mean a lot of towns are already empty all the time. And again, GW2 is not a solution to the problems of GW1.
PS: Diablo "redemption" Mmorpg FTW!
