Do You Customize?

NEVER Being able to use that weapon again on ANY other character is effective?
NEVER Being able to sell it for more than it's merchant value is effective?

I like your avatar it's a nice representation of your short mindedness.

No, the additional 2-4 damage customization adds is no where enough to wand Dying Nightmares in 1 hit.

So, you think that wasting time to mule weapons that do inferior damage is effective?
So, you think that watching weapon price drop to nothingness and THEN selling it is effective?

Your avatar is what ... wammo? How appropriate.

PvE no one cares
PvP uncostumized (mellee) weapons? you fail

nuff said

agree with above

how ever melee weapons / spears / bows / for dmg should be customized

caster weapons, doesnt matter

You cannot seriously be trying to say that being able to sell a weapon, or transfer it outside of battle, somehow makes it more effective.

In case you didn't know, wielding the same uncustomized weapon on two characters doesn't make it twice as effective. It means you're 20% less effective on two characters at once, making you twice as bad. Granted, in PvE customization isn't a major issue, but if you choose to play a weaker character, that's your choice.

I'm being more effective by not customizing my weapons since I'll be able to use it on other characters and be able to sell it again, since the negliable damage increase doesn't affect me.

Exactly my point.

My warrior relies on skill not negliable damage modifiers.

People who costumize > People who don't costumize

No matter how good you play, having a higher damage total on your weapon will make you slightly better in terms of your overall effect. This is the basis of saying that you are more effective with a customized weapon than without, all other factors held constant.

Disagreeing with this is a rejection of reality.

Being able to shift low-standard weapons around doesn't make you any better. It keeps you slightly less effective than you would be with customized weapons on every character. I don't know why you insist on the value of being able to move weapons around - being able to get cheap, max weapons is one of the best parts of Guild Wars. You could always get some decent skinned, modless weapons too, if you prefer vanity - surely if you find +20% negligible, +15% from damage mods won't make a difference to you?

You won't be penalized for not customizing in PvE for the same reason you aren't penalized for bringing a terrible skillbar, or not wearing max armor, etc - PvE is designed for you to win in all scenarios. This does not change the fact you are functioning below your maximum effectiveness without customized weaponry.

You seem to be confusing "efficient use of weapons in order to minimise your own expenditure" with "effective use of your weapon".


As for me. I customise when milkflopance "reminds" me to. >.>

Proper itemization *Amplifies* your skill, and is free. Like it or not, skilled warrior with customized weapon > Skilled without customization.

Also, in GWs part of being "skilled" is making right choices that enhance your support your abilities. i.e. skills, runes, attribute selection.

For example this is what skilled person does: PvE_God_A gets 100k sword. He sells it immediately before it looses value and buys dozen of old swords with same stats or even with varied stats. He also ends with ~50k gold in cash. He has enough of it to customize it on pretty much all characters that can use it and some heroes. And then some more.

Result few months later: He has all the swords he ever needed and more, that did 20% extra damage all the time. He also has some nice cash. Next 100k weapon he gets goes directly for sale and is clean profit

What you do: You get 100k+ weapon and use it, then resell it for 5k (price at which it is nearly pointless to sell it) when you get another one to repeat this cycle.

Are we supposed to believe your way has ANY redeeming quality?

Dark it's okay man. Me and you both will be less effective. I rarely play with people anyways, I still get the job done. I couldn't care less. Last time I customized a weapon I lost 100k that someone was going to offer me for it, so weapons I know I'm not gonna keep I never customize. The problem is I will not buy the weapon I want because I"m cheap, so I could have the weapon I'm gonna sell for a couple years.

I could have 1500 ecto ( I don't) and I probably still wouldn't buy that 200k sword. I just hate spending money in real life and online.

So what are you gonna do with the money when you sell the weapon? Buy another new weapon and repeat the process? (keep it uncustomized and sell it again .. ..)

Anyway, Customized weapon value > Uncustomized weapon value (to the owner)

Oh you were the one who insist that Sundering > Vampiric because you are lazy to switch.

Where are you going to shift your 15^50, 20/20, +30 sword to? Your monk?

I customize all of my martial weapons because I want to be as efficient as possible. If I thought I might not want those weapons forever, I'd get a collector sword for some troll tusks or griffon wings and customize that, and look pretty in uncustomized expensive stuff. I'd rather not impose limitations upon myself.

Fortunately for me, I'm dressed as Batman right now.

i r likin more dmage from tkustomizoars!!!

Firstly having multiple PVE characters of the same class is failsauce.

Secondly, Having to transfer a rare skin sword between two PVE warriors (likely both wammos) is also failsauce.

Thirdly, having TWO PVE warriors, both with uncustomised weapons is double failsauce.

You are incredibly bad at the game, PVP or PVE if you dont customise your weapons on a melee class. Improving a 100 damage hit to 120 from customisation is very significant. I may as well just not use runes on my elly and run 13 fire and be just as less effective at nuking as you are at a warrior. But I would like to be able to kill things faster.

Your statement is only true if you regard damage as the only term of effectiveness. Being effective relies on more than just one variable. Both customizing and not customizing have their advantages and disadvantages depending on the situation.

I'm not against customization, if you have weapons that are very cheap go ahead and customize them. My weapons have atleast a 5k resale value, so no I don't customize them. I also swap out some of my weapons to other characters and I have deleted a character in the past. Also I'm speaking from a PvE perspective I do not play PvP much. For PvP I would recommend customizing cheap weapon skins, as the small benifit you get might actually matter some. But for PvE it won't make a noticeable difference. Yes, I'll do less damage and will be less effective in that aspect but it's such a marginally small difference it doesn't matter in PvE.

Also I'm not vain I just prefer certain skins over others, unfortunately other players like many of those skins too. Vanity implies taking pride and boasting about your weapons, I don't.

There is no disadvantage from adding a "+15% from damage" mod, unless you want to add a different mod. Customizing has advantages and disadvantages that's the difference.

No, there are many things in PvE that are challenging and require skill (e.g. vanquishing certain areas) stating otherwise is plain ignorance. The reason it matters even less in PvE is because the enemies have much more health and armor than normal players.

Efficient and effective are synoniems. Avarre initially said I wasn't being effective if I didn't customize and later said my weapon wasn't being effective if I didn't customize, there is a difference between the two. Effectiveness depends on your goal or goals and is therefor variable depending on that or (those) goal(s).

You're making baseless assumptions therefor I won't respond, this is not what I do.

No, actually I never swap my sword but I do swap staffs, wands, foci, bows, ... on occasion. I also have the ability to remove any character without having to worry about customization and if I want a different skin I don't just have to throw away the other skin, but can actually redeem some of my money.

Customizing doesn't effect skills. Like I said before, learn to play the game, you obviously don't know anything.

Nothing more to say.

Weapons are cheap. Heroes don't need leet skins. You can outfit a hero for ~5k.

Murakis sword/axe - 1k sword 3k axe
Collector shield with +30hp 0g
-2 stance (or w/e you use) 1-2k (-5 (20%) is not l33t, also is not required)

Bingo! 1 hero ready for action.

I'm taking it you're poor becaue you swap weapons between chars?!

If you don't customize on a physical class, then a hero of the same class>you.
At least their starter weapon is customized.

I don't customize.

PvE: because I can't make myself bother enough since it's PvE and everything goes. I have done all of it, NM and HM with random weapons that dropped on the way. There's absolutely no need for customization, or even 'perfect' weapons.

PvE: because they come customized. /duh

Assumptions based on how you present yourself.

Kudos for completely dodging other arguments without having to address them. Guess they were really that inconvenient, eh.

Difference in Customized Crit on Scythe is 14 damage. Difference on Customized hammer crit is 12 damage. Axe and Bow is 11 damage, Sword is 10 etc ... And thats with 9 in weapon mastery. 12/14/16 mastery increases numbers higher.

So yeah, Customization DOES turn 100 sword crit on frenzying target to 120 hit. Thats before any plus damage occurs.

Math is bitch when used against you, ain't it.

Whats the advantages of not customizing your weapon? Resale? So you are basing effectiveness on the ability to sell your weapon? Does your guildhall have all traders? Is your friendlist filled up? Do you have 30+ titles? If your answer is no to either of one the questions, you are not effective. And you fail in the game coz of that. (well thats what I learnt from your definition of effectiveness anyway)

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5k is not cheap? Although you said "at least 5k", but when you say that, I am assuming you mean 5k - errr 10k???

Huh no disadvantage for a 15% while xx mod and there is a disadvantage for a perm 20% mod for customization?

Is a uncustomized 15^50 sword better or a customized 20% but no dmg mod (worthless) better?

Oh aren't we talking about martial weapons that will make a difference by customization.

Can't you just keep it? or do you only use one set of mods for your character?

Sure it's not essential but I don't understand why people limit their efficiency. It's like using 7 party members instead of 8.

Because I can't bother and it doesn't matter. Best reason there is.

If I'm somewhere with real people and one player has to go, I won't bother starting anew just to get a full team instead of 7/8. I'm also 'limiting my efficiency' by not always choosing the absolutely most effective build for the given task or not bothering to fetch spare armor pieces from a storage account to get the optimal insignia/rune combo for the build I'm currently running. I just can't make myself obsess over something like PvE.

Without a good trade system, getting again a certain item may take ages if you hate to trade.

Some player like to use items they no longer need with heroes of other characters, and so, if they customized them, they could not.

It really do depends on the reason why someone customize a weapon. I customize just for the sake of owning the weapon and the increase in dmg output isn't really part of my decision process.

In GW, you either farm for your ideal weapon or buy it. Many others have done the same. There is Ventari Sell for all your trading needs. So I don't see any problems with the "trading system".

I have just recently (like, the past week) discovered that I will not make any other characters. I discovered that monks, mesmers, and paragons are not for me.
Because of this, I might actually customize my equipment some more.

But even then, I may discover a better skin, or a better item altogether that I may upgrade to, rendering my outdated, customized item useless.

So I am very scared up customizing things because of that point alone.

There are NO ventari sells inside the game.

And event forum and auction sites are slow, depends too much on people login times, so you may get offers from people you'll never see ingame, and most importatly, they may be inside sites recognized by Anet, but they are not official and there are no links from inside the game to them.

The basic of a trade system is everyone having direct access to it. I don't want to sell to Guru users only. I don' want to sell inside 'ghettos'. If you have to get out of the game and log in into a site not belonging directly to Anet, it's not a GW trade system, it's something external.

Currently the in-game trade system is only for a few, if you don't see the problems with it, you are probably part of that few.

You are provided with the tools to aid you in the game. You have 2 choices:

a) Make use of it and be happy
b) Complain and hope that things will change

Apparently, you chose option b.

You assumed wrong, I've never bought a weapon for 100k, or anywhere near that price, hence you're entire point is invalid. Secondly it doesn't even remotely relate to the point I'm trying to make. Thirdly, and most importantly, I don't value you very highly therefor I don't put much effort in replying to you. I could counter-argue but you're not worth it to me if that means I dodged your question or whatever... so be it.

Not really when the person using it against me doesn't even know how to use it properly. You completely disregared armorclass and just threw numbers at me as if they meant something or actually proved your point somehow.

I've already given an ample supply of advantages.

I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.

I have weapons in a price range above 5k but below 100k. Anyway, yes 5-10k is significant enough for me not to customize my weapons since the damage increase is extremely negliable in PvE. But if 5-10k is pocket change for you, you may always give it to me.

Disadvantages from customizing:
- Unable to resell the weapon to another player.
- Unable to be used on any other character, not even of the same account.

What are the disadvantages of having an inherent mod or insignia?

The uncustomized sword is better since it can be resold and used by any player. Better does not equal most damage. The very definition of better is that something is superior to something else. Whatever makes the sword superior is completely dependend on personal preference, I like one thing you like an other.

I'm discussing customization in general, but my points can also be used for martial weapons specificly. I'm sure people swap martial weapons as well, not per se between two warriors on the same account but when deleting a character or lending a weapon to someone.

I don't keep more than one sword with the same stats since it would take up precious inventory space.

This has gotta be the primary reason that so many people do not customize...because PvE is pretty darn easy, and you don't need to be the most effective to be able to complete it.

That being said, if I'm playing Halo and I'm allowed to dual wield a weapon, I'm sure as heck gonna dual wield it, even though I know I can easily complete the game with one weapon. To me, I simply don't like playing a game unless I'm being completely effective...and if you aren't customizing, you simply aren't being as effective as you could be.

That's probably the completionist in me showing through, however.

Yes, for any pve toon I use in PvP...though with reward points those days are pretty much long gone.

Buying weapon for 100k and keeping weapon worth 100k is equivalent: you end up 100k minus in the end from what you had or potentially had. 100k or 10k, you still end up in minus.

And what you claimed was that keeping weapon (whatever way acquired) for resale and using it uncustomized is effective. Are you now claiming that it is not true?

Oh, and you know what? If you have counter arguments, preferably the ones that don't consist of "not liking me" or "not liking Avarres avatar", Use them. For sake of others that will see them and see light.

Or be man and acknowledge that what you claimed to be superior pve strategy in customization is in fact not.

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And take example from tmakinen. He is making valid and good points and you don't see anyone arguing with him for reason.

Yes. All my physical weapons I customize.

lol i totally forgot that i can do this, of course i havtn played in forever. When i get back into it ill customize everything. 20% extra is awesome

I only customize martial weapons I intend to use in PVP. The rest for pve I leave uncustomized because it's just not required. Plus I can then transfer them around to my other characters and their heroes when needed. Wands, staffs and really any caster weapons I would rarely customize as they should really be casting as opposed to throwing lil lightning bolts around with their wands. I have customized a fire wand that I use with my W/E when I use that Rage Elite that gives high pct criticals every attack for 10 seconds in conjuction with conjure flame and mark of rodgort. Quite some powerful damage customizing for that build. In FA it's even more powerful if you use it along with IWAY as IWAY is a shout and not a stance so you can toss up IWAY and then RAGE and you will be attacking 25% faster and gaining life and getting massive criticals. <grin>

I've never bought a 100k weapon and I'm nowhere near lucky enough to have a 100k weapon drop for me. So you are making assumptions that aren't anywhere near accurate.

First of all they aren't counter arguments, they're reasons I'm not argueing with you. Secondly I said I liked Avarre's avatar because it nicely represents his close mindedness and pompous attitude. But no you're still not worth argueing with. But hell, if it'll make you happy: you win, k leave me alone now.

I am sad for you that you have to share your weapons among your characters and heros.

Here's some advice:

1) Use Greens
if you can't afford greens
2) Use collectors
if you still can't afford
3) id all your drops before you merch them, that should get you some extra funds

I wouldn't recommend farming for you, coz I don't think it will work out for you. The reality is sad. Here's a tear drop for you

I try to customise once, and end up with a storage filled with mods that consequently made me very dizzy looking and trying them on everything I get. quite frustrating to do that. I finally sold them all to the merchant leaving only 5 +30hp mods. which I still can't find decent weapons to put them on.

You don't know anything about me or my playstyle don't make wrong assumptions.

From some of your posts, I conclude you are "effective" in the game.

Am I wrong?