GW PLEASE take my money..

I know he was in [rawr] to help with their Cup. But rules are rules or not?

Sigh. Well, let's see I believe someone said that about a billion dollars would be generated by selling cash even limiting the cash input to 20k per player assuming 10% of all players bought cash. This would net Anet $250,000 a week selling at $5 for 20k. $10 for 20k would ofcourse, double thta amount.

This would be weekly income. Do you know how many programmers you can buy for $250,000 a week? Probably enough to go through and mark every item on every server with a small tick that opens up a special window that lets you draw on yuor magic item gotten without ill gained money. Then when you trade it, the special window dissapears. Hard? Not when you throw $250,000 a week at it. For $250,000 you could hire Bernie Greenspan to work out the economics side.

The point for me has nothing to do with people getting left out. I'm self-centered like that, I just want cash to buy elite tomes.

If you have no time to play and you have no money to pay, I think you're screwed. So all of you poor people that see no value in Guild Wars gold, guess what? You don't have to buy it. If you see the value, you will find the money, first rule of sales.

If Farmers enjoy farming, they can still farm. I'm not taking that away from them. Can they still sell they're stuff? Sure! If you control the supply of gold coming in, you minimally effect the economy and keep inflation manageable.

As to me doing it wrong? I've enjoyed my time playing GW, so I guess you're wrong.

People may like to farm because they get a sense of pride when they zone/warp into Spamadan with 400k they made raptor farming or something.

If they put the in-game store money in, this'll damage these people. And me. Of course

If you've enjoyed it so much, why do you need to buy gold?

Just carry on enjoying it, and the gold will steadily accumulate.


(though fyi: the two groups of jade brotherhood knights just south outside the marketplace in kaineng centre are really easy to farm, and they have a fairly high drop rate for armour with stuff on it: an hour of doing that and you'd probably find a decent crop of superior runes)

The problem with this is that the devs would actually be creating jobs better than their own. In all of anet's contracts this is specifically a no no. As NO one can have more fun than the devs.


NO ONE

If you played for 1200 hours and don't have hard mode, then you pretty much are doing it wrong way.

That argument has nothing to do with the impact on the game. Anet would make a lot of money from selling gold, I agree. However, there's this possibly foreign concept of appealing to all players, not just you, that they have to worry about.

Regardless of how important you are, Anet needs to pay attention to a wider market than your bank account because in the greater scheme of things, one or two players makes zero difference. I'm not arguing that selling gold won't make a few happy, I'm saying that it will alienate a lot more than it will make happy. Anet does have to sell GW2, you know.

See above argument. You're not processing that it would drive people away from the game, and even if they continued to play GW1, they would be less likely to purchase GW2 because of Anet's actions.

Anet will still have to ban gold sellers because they'll keep on selling because people will want more than their limit that Anet puts them on. It changes nothing from how it is now other than that there's a legal way to for people who don't want to break the rules to get a little bit of money.

Edit: Why is this bad? Because it causes inflation that hurts everyone in game because the gold buyers are buying more stuff. If only 10% of people buy gold, that's putting out the 90% who don't.

Then why do you need to buy gold if you're enjoying the game? Just keep on enjoying it. It sounds like you would be a lot happier playing a single player game where you have god mode and infinite money cheats where you can just play around in a universe where everything is at your fingertips. If all you care about is making builds and generally mucking around, then why do you need other people? It'd be a lot less expensive for you.

So is it fair to me as a player that you didn't play through the game, acquiring the skill that guildwars is supposed to be all about, and cheated to get an elite skill? How am I supposed to feel when I party with you, then we fail because you cut corners.

Farming isn't any fun when you can make 3 mouse clicks and add 100k to your account.

This idea is beyond terrible.
Seriously, even those 'free' mmo's based on microtransaction systems with buying ingame advantages DON'T sell ingame currency! They often sell a different currency used just for obtaining special items from npcs or just sell exclusive items, those items are NOT tradeable between players. (there are probably exceptions)

So this idea is not only about bringing GW down to their level, it's about going even worse!

I play GW because it's different than those lame games with economies based on real $$, even though it's becoming dangerously close to them with them selling unlocks (if you spend your first 2mil faction on zkeys instead of unlocks you effectively bought 1 million gold!) and infinite supply of great looking weapons (BMP, buy it and you'll never ever going to need to buy any other weapon! unless you want a specific skin).

If they go any further, I may just leave. I'd much rather play a subscription based game which is fair for everyone than a 'free' one that sells numerous advantages through microtransations. I was fortunate finding GW which was originally both free and fair.

+ Spending real money to get better in a game could be addictive
Spending way to much money , just because 'I want that weapon, it's only $xx,- ' the week after » 'Oh I might as well get myself some new armour, let's spend another $xx,- , because it's not that much'

It would really get some people into money troubles

Selling gold has ruined many, many MMOs in the past... Going all the way back to MUDs.

Selling gold is a bad idea. Everything about GW is based on E-peen now. Players won't want their E-peen ruined.

Buy another game. Simple as that.

Yes, very simple.
Another point: It would absolutely ruin the GW economy even more than it's being ruined now if people had such easy access to money.

/thread

I'm going to bed now.

I, too, have all the campaigns and a decent amount of well played characters. I've been here since beta. That is why it's so easy for me to quit and not care and nor should they. They have my money from paying for all the campaigns, I've finished what I wanted to finish and I can move on to other games.

As for you having little time to make money, make use of your time. You claim to be an experienced player, right? So do hard mode. I'm sitting with a decent 30k from just 2-3 hours of gameplay by playing the game AS IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED! No farming, no gold botting, no buying real gold.

Just to add my 2 cents...

Selling in-game gold would be a very bad idea for the same reasons many have already stated in previous posts.

1 - Its a game - you are supposed to invest some time in it to play. Those who invest more time get better rewards.

At least GW allows you to have max armor and weapons with little cost.
If a player must have the most uber items and armor they will have to learn how to acquire them through farming or trading etc.


2 - The cost of Everything in game would be just outrageous The inflation would kill the game.

For people like me who would not pay real life money for in-game gold it would drive us out of the game.
I'm not just talking weapons and armor.
Think about things which you cant just go up to a crafter and buy like weapon mods, inflation would raise their cost sky high.

i don't see a problem with anet selling gold.

a guildwars trillionaire has very little (if any) advantage over a guildwars bum.

all of the "upgrades" in the game are cosmetic, so who really cares?

Like WoW..?

They don't mind Gold Farmers..

Priceless quote of the day.....

ANet makes the Rules so therefore are allowed to break the Rules? - IMPORTANT NOTE OF ORDER..... The Rules were not "changed officially"... therefore the published rules that ALL other players HAD to adhere to were broken. There is NO grey area here....PERIOD!!!

Lets also not forget that Izzy was also implicated (by being in [ b e s t ] ) AND lets not overlook the fact that those 2 people had been, up to that point, THE people responsible for PVP, you couldnt get 2 more key people involved. However, even if we were talking the tea boy and floorsweeper being the staffers, the point remains, Rules were broken by Staff. Its not personal, its points of order.

AND let us not forget that rawr were heavily promoting the Guild Cafe event, what better promotion than to have rawr Win?... good publicity Id say.....see how easily this can go wonky? See how easy it is to "appear" crooked? Whichever way its looked at...it stinks

Its a balls up for sure, but then thats the price of stupidity. As it stands, it smacks of cronyism and BS. And after all this time (and i might add a RECORD amount of NON communication on the GW main website- currently 12 days, the longest amount of time that has passed without ANY home page info in over 12 months..... cat got their tongue all a sudden?) there has been NO official commnt or apology. More contempt for the players?

What equally stinks is the manner in which the "alleged" rule change was announced.... NOT on the OFFICIAL website but only over rawr Radio. A member of The Spearmen (a Guild with ANet staff in) has already commented (in another forum) that had THEY known about the change the may have entered themselves. So, if nothing else, it is furthr proof that a small clique within the company believes it is above the Rules. GG ....NOT

Are the staff at ANet now so arrogant and contemptuous of their rules that they have decided to no longer obey them? If even the staff are that cynical about the game what hope do the mere players have.

I'll quote what someone else said about WHY its important Staff DONT take part or even be associated....
"he could have told them about the screw up in map rotation. He could have told them when it was being reverted. That could have won them two games out of 7 by itself, a vast advantage. Of course, the implications for the conflict of interest portion are much greater. Their weapons could be more potent, 50/50 instead of 40/40 (this sort of thing happens, look up EVE and associated scandals), they could all pick up a regen, and so on. Devs feeling a part of a group gives them strong incentive for bias on behalf of that group and very may well lead to cheating either in the giving of privileged information (like the map changes) or in a more material sense. It is to avoid this situation that devs aren't allowed in competing guilds. It doesn't matter whether or not you think a violation may have occurred- you often never know in these cases. The point is to prevent the question from ever coming up. If it does come up, something is wrong."

Rules are now apparently for breaking. How can ANet call foul on Gold Buyers when they have zero respect for the rules THEY SET?.... it beggers the question... why should the players respect the rules?

So, now they have set a precedent, they can continue this all the time, anytime. Yeah right..thats great way to earn the players trust Im sure. HOw deep does the rabbit hole go? Theres still many players that firmly believe that the Armbrace Duping has roots with the staff there. When events such as this recent one occur, why now should we believe that Anet staff were not party to the problem, if not even part of the cause. I have my suspicions but I didnt take the screenies.... but i know what i read in Shing Jea while the arrogant showed off their wealth and strangley many of those names had and still do have tight links with ANet. Trust? Why should I? We also see ANets ability to remove specifc amounts of Gold from accounts yet strangely they couldnt do this with the Armbrace fiasco....

And in closing....$4000 ... is that really something to be ignored.... The players are funding this contempt and misbehaviour and its wrong....very wrong.

ANet have ignored and stonewalled players on this subject for THREE weeks now, refusing point blank to make ANY comment whatsoever..... what part of that doesnt smell bad? Where are the assurances this wont happen again huh? Do we not at least deserve THAT much or are we all to be treated as fools?

I believe its time to elevate the complaint to higher Authorities (NCSoft? others?) as I personally dont believe this is entirely legal or fair.

I dont think Gold buying in any form is a good idea by the way.

Oh yes, 1 thing.

I purchased the games+expansion and worked on it for 2 and a half years to EARN all my stuff. I'm not going to be happy and same like alot of other people, if some one that started a month ago has 2 sets of FoW per character

I also think I shouldn't have to buy money to buy decent looking weapons when the broken economy gets broken even more.

But... they can do that now. Gold can be sourced from other sites instead.

The answer here would be for the GW shop to sell the item, not the gold.

1: Anet is cracking down on these guys. Very hard for them now, most don't risk it.

2. Tru' 'dat. Yo.

NCcoin in GW's Future...?
"NCsoft has unveiled the new NCcoin system that will allow players to purchase in-game items with real world money. This new program will make its debut with the mech fighting game Exteel. Austin, Texas, April 16, 2008"

Microcash payments for Bling and Shine. Will in game gold follow?

Micro payment systems have a certain "inevitability" about them, ESPECIALLY when the core game is a one off payment (GW) or as in the case of say, Perfect World, FREE.

Im not saying this is all bad but i also dont see this as all good. The potential for a two tier system (the Have's and the Have Not's) is quite clear.

If any item bought is NOT customised (which, I admit, would genuinely surprise me) then they may as well sell gold.

Bling can be sold for ingame gold...so in a sense they are selling gold. If they add items which could only be bought in the store, then those items would be a goldmine.

I care not really. It's just a filler game until May.

Very true, but the thing with GW is that no matter what the item actually is, it cannot be better than anything else out there. So the "Have's" in this instance are really just throwing money down the drain moreso than a game that has 'uber' items for sale.

If someone _really_ wants to buy gold or items to make themselves feel better, then this game is probably the best place for that to happen. It is merely cosmetic.

One arguement stated is that Anet selling the gold puts other RMT services out of business. No, it doesn't. All it does is a) Validate their operation as a legit idea, and b) Opens direct competition between the two; Anet and the 3rd party service.

If Anet sells 100K at $10, the RMT services will compete and offer 100K + 5e for $8.99. The 3rd party RMT service isn't going to collapse if Anet got into the service. I'll say it again, the 3rd party RMT service isn't going to collapse.

3rd party services want your money in their wallets, not in Anets. They will compete against Anet and make the problem worse.

Secondly, whether by Anets hands, or by 3rd party sites, introducing too much currency into an economy causes an uncontrollable amount of inflation. So much that there are no counters to it. All the gold sinks in the world won't control it if the supply is unlimited in large quantity.

If everyone in the world, right now, was given brand new printed bills equalling 15 million dollars, what would happen to global prices on goods?

I know I'd raise my prices on my products and why not? Everyone has 15 million dollars. I could raise my prices x25 and barely make a dent in your wallet, but I profit x25 than normal.

If you don't control the amount of money in an economy, you don't control the inflation.


Another arguement; I'm seeing the word "fair" being tossed around a lot. So I ask the following question:

What is "unfair", in regards to a Guild Wars player having a full set of 15K FoW, dyed black vs a player who has the 1K Sunspear Armor dyed gray? Neither set gives any disadvantage to playing the game as both have the exact same stats. So where's the "unfair" part coming from? Is it that one person has it and the other doesn't? Well, such is life. My compact car gets me from point A to point B just like a high-end Ferrari.

This game we play has gone wayward of the generic MMO and brought "fairness" down to earth. Where compared to dozens upon dozens of games out there where the richer you are, the more uber equipment stats you can buy. Where two players, of exact same level, one can be dominating because he/she had the wealth to +10 their armor and +10 their weapons.

That doesn't happen in GW. Your Torment Shield, with the same mods, doesn't give you an advantage over another who runs a common Istani Shield with the same mods. Someone having 1,000,000 gold vs my storage that sits at 4.6K right now gives them no advantage over me.

So where's the "unfair", I ask again?

Like many making arguements for buying the gold through Anet, who state they have full time jobs, have families, bills to pay, etc. I do too. As I've stated in past threads, my max play time a day is 5 hours (On a good day). I own and operate my own business. Sure, I get to make my own hours, but I certainly can't slack. I have deadlines to meet, bills to pay, errands to run, and far more important things to tend to other than Guild Wars on a daily basis.

But here's the fun kicker; I just got chaos gloves. That's 10K, plus 75 ectos. Wait, what? How's that possible? No, I didn't non-stop farm. No, I didn't buy online gold.

It was a want vs need. I didn't and don't need chaos gloves. They provide zero advantage in pvp, or pve. I did, however, want them. I think they're pretty. So For 3 months I chipped away at it. I did a little bit here, a little bit there.

I Managed my time, saved my money, still did all the "fun" things I enjoy doing like guild events, quests, missions in my limited play time and still obtained a "High-end" item.

I don't use this example to rub it in faces; that's not the point. I use it because quite often it is said that unless you endlessly grind away your life you can't obtain them. Sorry, but I've proved that theory to be incorrect.

Does it take more time? Sure. I know players who got chaos gloves in less than a day. But last I checked, I wasn't in a race. If you must have it now that's an issue Anet is not responsible to fix for you.

Anet offering gold serves no purpose, other than to appease those who want something right now. That's the reason 3rd party RMT services exist.

There's only 2 ways to collapse 3rd party RMT services:

1) Rid all games of all players who have the mentality, "I want it now, but I don't want to do it!". That removes all potential customers RMT services need to operate.

2) Make the game so dumbed down that the moment you create a character, you're already max level, you choose the weapons of your choice, the armor of your choices, the colors of your choice, and all the skills of your choice. Then there's nothing for players to play for, purchase, or strive after. Hence, you can remove any sort of currency trading, need for currency at all, and RMT Services can't exist without a currency to sell.


Giving Anet your money for Gold won't gain you anything but vanity and vanity has nothing to do with fairness. Giving Anet your money for Gold won't put an end to 3rd party RMT, it will add to the competition.

[QUOTE]it belongs in sardalac the suggestion place

because it would make actually playing the game meaningless.

you dont have time to play emough for epeen vanity items?

ASK FOR A ONE BUTTON GIVE ME EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW BUTTON.

cO
maybe u are the one who work for NCsoft or anet or what ever...
so u want to support the NcCoins? cO
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10279766

1. hmmm... change again and again and again ><
2. ----
3. if they do so, then they should delete all in game gold...... no gold, no item, no armor no etc... better... yay lets go play "PAC-MAN"

Ps. if GW merged to NcCoins... this game will be more like other free online games... "u can get better items if u pay via: sms, call by call, etc etc"
and that would be big BS!

Anet selling gold would be worse than putting RMTs out of business. RMTs only sell gold that already exists in the economy.

not to mention all of a suddenly all the titles that requires gold to buy meant 0.

I want to get into the best university for commerce, but I don't have the time/effort to study. Can't i just throw money at it????!?!?!

This thread=failsauce. It's a game? Your real life happiness should not depend on how much plat you have in game.

I heard a similiar arguement to this from a friend, but regarding botting. He said he botted (in a different game) because he didn't have time to level up. This is the same sort of thing..The game should be played in your leisure time, and not viewed as something you "have" to do.

Not to mention what everyone else said. GW is quite different from WoW at this current point in time (not gonna talk about GW2). They made level cap low for a reason; they made collector weapons and green weapons for a reason. Granted, I do own gold perfect items and 15k armor, but is it needed? Hell no. By beating a campaign you can fund your own set of perfect 1.5k armor, and a few green weapons. I still fail to see the point.

They mean 0 now.

tell it to the players who've spent hours and hours obtaining them. lol, like drunkard, sweet tooth, treasures hunters etc.

They mean something to the player, they mean nothing to the game as a whole, therefore they mean nothing.

the game will be less challenge if everything can obtain in 1 day via credit card :P

sound like u play console game with gameshark unlock everything with code and the good game will be so boring after 1 hour playing.

I know this is a bit late, but in respoonce to what you said about my post, this is what I have to say on the matter.

1. If you play the game normally, you can unlock skills as you go along, and if not, ellite tomes are 5-10k, so its not hard to gain that in 3 hours playing normally through quests and missions, should take 30mins tops if farming.

2. If you don't have the time to farm and gain cash yourself, your not going to be able to have all the best looking things, because then everything in the game would be worthless and there would be no point in playing for the whole pve community.

3. I think that it would open it to a wider audience, but would also make other people that have been playing longer in the game leave, and I believe that there would be a higher amount of peope leaving the game, than those joining it.

ANet has said that buying gold for rl cash is against its policy. It shows that they have thought about it and that its not viable for this game.

While raging about this thread (because I seriously can't believe why would someoen want to buy money LEGALLY)( or buy money at all), I tought about why they haven't done it (aside from common sense) and will not do it :

THeir targeted player are those that
a) don't want to grind just to be competitive, as opposed to classic MMOs
b) don't like to pay for a game, as opposed to PayToPlay. (my category)

Just from the second, it is obvious why they don't do it : they know their players dont like to pay, if they were to put a giant sign "COME AND BUY OR GOOD MONEY!!! IT's FRESH AND JUICY!" in every cities, a lot of people would be irritated by it and quit.


EDIT : beside, they created a form wealth, they are not to make it worthless.


NOTE ON ELITE SKINS : I said player don't like grind, but they know some player (like me) like to play for more then 5 hours to get a max character, like to actually DEVELOP their character (be it merely finding the perfect skin to fit a warrior, rare or not), and want their players to play for a while.

For that reason, it is very easy to be competitive with a pve char, harder to be OPTIMAL (perfect equipment), and, depending on play style, long or just-long-enough to be "elite" (perfect tormented wep,15karmor...).

Excess time and excess money is comparing apples to oranges.

There is absolutely no good reason to sell gold for RW cash. Some games have taken this "idea" and rather than sell gold to buy things ingame, you simply whip out your credit card and buy the items directly. ANet isn't interested in making money off of things such as this. They're interested in keeping a game fun and active for everyone while trying to maintain a level playing field for all. Selling gold/items for RW cash would completely wipe out the ingame economy, as well as devalue the gaming experience for the largest portion of ANet's customers.

You, and the OP, need a single-player game, with cheat codes, my dear - not Guild Wars, or any other online, community-driven, RPG.

This thread is ridiculous.

I agree so much I need to post on this ridiculous thread.

Will you marry me?