GW PLEASE take my money..

I play for my way of game-play. We're a diverse group of players here, everyone has different ways of playing and what they like. Sure, sometimes we want things easier but we have to also consider how doing that will effect other people. I don't like farming, just like GW GF doesn't like farming. I don't like the idea of having to play real world money for in-game items or gold. I already payed for GW, a game that isn't pay to play per month and I'd hope that it stays that way. Not into a buy Anet gold just to be able to play the game and not get drowned out by gold buyers. My way of play is playing through the campaigns, picking everything up and selling excess. I have a minipet fetish, not because some may be considered 'leet loot', but because that's what I enjoy and makes me happy. You and your wife like watching the little numbers and I like watching cute little mini's wandering around or chasing me as I do missions/quests. There will always be an aspect of the game that we don't like, but if we want to have something, or complete a goal we'll just have to occasionally break out of our mold and play a different aspect of the game that will get us what we want. Someone else suggested focusing on just one character in order to save money, but I tend to hop around with different characters and replaying content. All those commendations, coins, etc can be saved and traded for scrolls or kits that sell for a nice profit. Selling mats. Power-trading. There are ways to make gold without investing a lot of a players time, but I suppose the trick is finding something you enjoy enough to do and not be repulsed by it.

The examples you give will have a good chance of controlling the severity of inflation caused by selling gold but will not in fact eliminate the inflation. By the very nature of what you are discussing Anet would be adding gold to the market without necessarily taking anything out. Gold would become more plentiful and so worth less in the GW economy.

The basic approach being suggested here is one that has been tried in the real world with disastrous results...We don't have enough money to pay our bills ? Just print more !

Attempts to control the fall-out from the implementation of this suggestion will (most likely) run afoul of a couple of problems:

1) where do you draw the line ? If the goal is to create an absolutely fair situation by allowing someone who doesn't have the time to farm for gold to purchase the gold from Anet while keeping the cost of the gold up to (hopefully) minimize the impact on the economy then what about those without much time or sufficient real world money to afford high gold prices. If fairness is in fact an argument for gold selling then the prices would have to be kept low in order for it to be achieved. If gold prices are low then any attempt to control inflation will fail.

2) Not only those without sufficient time to farm will buy gold if it becomes "legal". Farmers will likely find prices going up enough to warrant at least an occasional gold purchase themselves. If they are already farming as much as the can or are willing to to achieve the levels of income they desire then the devaluation of their current stocks of cash will drive them into the gold purchasing market as well.

3) Reducing the value of something that another has worked very hard for is actually less fair than saying that you have to spend alot of time farming in order to get a particular item in game. If you increase the amount of gold on the market then the gold already on the marked is devalued. In other words everything that the farming community has worked hard for will actually be worth less. They will be able to buy less with the gold and ectos that they have applied countless hours and ingenuity to acquire. In my opinion it is far less fair to take from them than to say that you should have work as hard (or put in as much time) as they did in order to have the same reward.

Please note that we are speaking about in game situations and so I am referring to in game work (or time) and am not at all deriding the real world work you do to accumulate the real world money which you wish to spend on GW gold.

Selling Ingame gold would inflate the ingame economy. Pure and simple.

Besides, wearing an armor or weapon that you really have worked for yourself, should make it all the better.

Wow. Thank you for that. That's perfect. I seriously doubt that it would drastically affect the economy, especially when you take into account that it would be split up over all regions. Looks like 20k a week is the magic number!

Guild Wars isn't about the same aggro patterns or same build of chained skills or same situations. An experienced player is one that can adapt to constantly changing situations, not one who performs the same area with perfect consistency. A robot can do that.

I couldn't agree more! ANet should learn the lesson of the Wii and focus on the mainstream.

The main problem is that you're trying to achieve "Fairness". Nothing is fair. GW is a game where item acquisition is determined by ingame effort. Real life is a game where item acquisition is determined by working at a job or exploiting the welfare system. If I could acquire a $500,000 house by spending say, 5 mil ingame, would that be fair to people who take 30 year mortgages to buy one?


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I don't know about you, but I've applied things I've learned farming to high end group pve, and also pvp. Everyone learns in different ways.

Very good point. Another one is simply this:

Many rare items such as minipets have a currency-like status in the game and are kept as a form of reserve cash by many players. Increasing their presence on the market in this fashion would essentially undermine the value of those items kept as investments.

To put it into a real world example that would hurt me and perhaps those wishing to spend real world money on GW gold..What would the value of Microsoft stock be if the company decided to just print more shares ? Of course they aren't legally able to do so but what if they could ? Individual shares would be worth fraction of what they are now. So too would go the value of GW valuables.

Time, sweat and blood are non transferable

Bank of Anet doesn't accept that type of monetary value!

GW would turn into Rich > Skill, Time rather than supposed Skill > Time.

My idea of where money ends up in an economy is in the hands of those who know how to use it well, which usually end up being the wealthy or the hoarders, and you're wanting to spend it, so I bet you're no hoarder. The only reason people would buy it is to spend it, and if they're spending it, it's going to end up in the hands of the already wealthy, and just destroy the economy more.

Plus, that's like GW saying, "We didn't like other people making money by selling in-game gold, so we decided to ban them all and do it ourselves!"

I think the people who want to buy gold in game are funny. If you have to buy items with real money to enjoy the game, then you're doing it wrong.

I herd ANet were against RMT...

Why should ANET cater more to the mainstream for a player's point of view? Cult classics are the some of the most celebrated games out there because instead of satisfying everyone a little bit they satisfy a few a lot. And for those casual players there's other games out there.

LMAO tell that to the 10 million subscribers of just WOW not mentioning the other millions playing Lineage, Lineage II, Final Fantasy, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot. hahaha that is the most rediculous statement I've read on this site. "the masses will never be able to play" hahahahaha

Nope that won't work either because then you devalue the income of those people ingame who have worked to get these items for sale. So, you would be taking away their income to implement this. Nope, sorry, just nothing is going to work where you intergrate the outside world into the inside world. The inside world must work upon it's on economy and it's on limits and boundaries that the game creates not outside sources. No gold selling, no tricklein effect, no item/equipment selling of any kind outside the game. In other words the PRIME DIRECTIVE should always be in place here in this WORLD there should be no outside or alien intervention in the growth and processes of the games economy. Just like nixing bots and gold sellers as they do now, I wouldn't think Anet would ever even consider implementing this in the game unless they made a specific server for it like Everquest 2 did.

Reality check !

Go to google type "gw+ingame gold" voila u have OMG web sites that sellin it !!!

Who farms that gold ???

I`m certain of one thing NOT PEOPLE WHO LIKE THE GAME !

How they farm GOLD ???

Usualy by bot`s and a large number of them !!!

Why Anet doesn`t prevent usage of bot`s ???

I`m shure they would like to do it but CAN`T DO IT THAT EASY !!!

Who get`s banned ???

People like OP, people that don`t have TIME to be online for 6-7 hrs a day !!!

Why ???

Propably for wanting to max something that Anet put in game with RIDICULOUS amout platinum needed !!!

Wanna get rid of the bot`s, and web sites that SELL GOLD ???

U start to do it LEGIT over IN GAME STORE !!!!

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Somebody stated for OP that he should LEAVE game, WRONG he is costumer like everyone else, and he actualy want`s to give his MONEY to the SOURCE - creators of the THE GAME! Not some black market dealer God knows where !!
I personaly liked the statement somebody made here again to the ever flamed OP (about him leaving wouldn`t hurt Anet because he already PAID his game) i can say that for everyone who would decide to leave if Anet started selling Gold IN GAME !!!

Maybe then we would have less LAG on servers, and don`t get me wrong i have time i spend 4-6 hrs a day online i wouldn`t buy gold anyway but i think it should be allowed to people who don`t have that time to invest !!!
It wouldn`t make things worst then they are right about now !!!

Sorry for one post right after another but I had an idea that could help those wishing to use real world money to increase their GW income while (perhaps ?) limiting the impact on the GW economy.

Introduce new minipets, items, etc that can only be purchased for real world money.

By purchasing these items (priced in such a way as to create some degree of rarity without getting too ridiculous) you could have a commodity with (potentially) real purchasing power in the game. The addition of a new minipet might have a minor impact on the value of pre-existing ones but not to the degree of allowing you to purchase those with real world money.

This would not actually add currency to the GW economy but would rather add a means of redistribution of current GW gold stockpiles from the very wealthy (in game) to the less (in game) affluent.

Honestly I havent thought this idea through completely and I am sure that there are flaws and draw-backs that I just havent seen as of yet, but...there it is.

1. The point for expensive gold is not to make things fair. It is to make ANet lots of money and to foster a highly capitalistic society. If you cannot afford the gold, you do not buy it. Real world analogy: I cannot afford a Prius, I do not buy one. What do the people do who can't afford the gold? Probably the same thing they're doing now, waste their time farming the same spots over and over again.

2.Possibly, that's all conjecture. And even if farmers do go into the buying market, they have to be able to afford it with real world money. Chances are if they're farming, they don't have a lot of real world money to begin with (I'm talking hard core farmers here, not the couple hour a night farmers). Couple hour a night farmers will see some devaluation as will everyone, but (real world analogy) much like ITunes, people will pay money to avoid doing something illegal. If you don't give them an option they will "steal" it. It comes down to this, if you can correctly control the money flow into the game (and believe me they are already watching this closely) you CAN put a cap on inflation.

3. I don't have an answer to this one. Basically your saying people's feelings will be hurt because something that they spent a lot of time and energy on is now readily available. You need to give them a consolation prize, give them a magic marker and let them color their FoW armor or something. Real world analogy: IPhone came out. $500. Two months later dropped the price $100. What did they do? Consolation prize, here is your $100 gift certificate, come in and buy some more stuff from us.

You have excellent points. But nothing you've mentioned can't be overcome with one FTE at ANet.

I like this idea too. So many ways to make this more readily available to the time handicapped.

I couldn't agree more on the fairness. Screw you Mr. Time Farmer open the Banks of Tyria to the almighty dollar and release the Dogs of war!

Oh, and if you could buy a $500,000 house for 5m of GW money, you should take that offer. And no, I wouldn't be upset about it unless it devalues my houses value. So how could I mitigate this? Only allow players to buy houses with Guild wars Money once a month etc. Once again, ways to work it out.

Yes. Much like the MP3 industry.

DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU ARE SMART. PLEASE. I DID NOT THINK ANY OF THIS THROUGH.

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Like me =[ other wise I'd have BMP etc, I think GW should also release credit-card things you can buy from K-mart, Big-W etc for GW and it has a certain number of points or something on it.

I AM 14. I DON'T HAVE A JOB AND NOT MANY DECENT PLACES EMPLOY 14 YEAR OLDS.

It'll brake the broken economy.

I got myself a few sets of 15k armor, 1 set of FoW and perfect weapons for every character, but I got to school and get good grades and I play for about 3 hours a day (1 hour maximum at a time) it's not that hard. Just don't spend your money on pety crap.

So you've been playing from the start (If I remember correctly) and you don't have everything you want? =/

What do you meen by being "1337"? Some people have different views on "1337-n3$$"

But I don't farm.. =/ if I did farm, I'd do it for fun.

People here play this game for fun if I've read this correctly. Why would people farm if it isn't fun and they come here for fun?

Lies. :P

That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

This would screw all the people that don't have access to credit cards/some kind of payment. This will break the economy even more, it'll cost 5k for 10 iron ingots etc. So what happens to us then? We can't farm 100k+ in an hour =/

I don't.

Thanks.

I was about to say the same thing, then I'm just like "No.. if this person is that stupid, they don't deserve to know"

I'm sorry ModTerrik, but it's true =/

These don't kill the economy.. if anything, they're good. They get the noobs out of RA

I don't get how it effects anything really.. =/

If anything, it gives the noobs a little advantage over the veteran players, which is fair.

Selling in game gold will screw up the economy very badly =\

If you just want to make builds.. just make PvP characters if you want them for PvE, make them in PvP, do RA alot (on the special weekends etc) and get zaishen keys and sell.

Or you can download Guild Wars Team Builder.

I'm sorry if I havn't read something right. If I havn't read something right, sorry.

DO YOU HAVE SOME BOLTS LOOSE IN YOUR HEAD?

Would you rather pay $10 for 1 plat, or $2?

I think I saw Gaile once in LA or something and she said they track every trade made, not the talk or anything, so people would get the cheaper gold and if they get banned, request a support ticket to get un-banned because they bought gold from the ingame store.. =/

I'm sorry, what?

You go play WoW now, come back in 2 months(if you don't get addicted) and tell me what requires a more serious player =/

How often do you see 40 people that all have to co-operate perfectly basically to down 1 boss, to TRY and get an item, that wont drop most likely. Some of these dungeons/instances take upto 12 hours =/

There are people that are going to go physco you know? Some little kid playing this has millionaire parents (extreme example) and he buys billions of in game gold. What does he do? He goes to spamadan and buys anything rare and tips them a stack of ecto or 2 because he doesn't have the room in his invent. He doesn't even use half the items.

I'm sorry but,

HAHA, YOU'RE HANDICAPPED!

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How presumptious of you. To tell me I'm playing my game the wrong way. Have you read through all 14 pages of this?

Yep and they've banned probably over 100k people for it too by now. And I suppose you haven't read the login screen lately about buying gold? Anet is against this 100% I'm 99.9% sure they aren't going to go for it. They'll be happy with getting their extra money from those they banned who will have to buy new accounts and start over. I also suppose this will turn into another dead horse beating like 7 heroes and nerfing ursans blessing. lol just something to take up space on GWG.

But the MP3 industry hasn't closed down Limewire/Frostwire/Kazaa/Torrents etc...?

Have they?

I have and I agree to be honest.

If you want to get lots of money because you have a job, go play WoW. They don't mind gold farmers.

I have an idea. Why you don't you go into your office and find out how many people play golf, then ask them if they play WOW, assuming you work with baby boomers (or mixed generational) who are the vast majority of the population in the US, the answer will be none. Now ask them if they want a wii. Comprende?

Nitpick: There are no more regions. Everything has been merged into one economy. All that's left is districts for different languages.

Aside from that that, you can interpret the numbers however you wish

You don't need money to do missions.
You don't need money to do Quests.
You don't need 15k or Fissure Armor to have max armor.
You don't need rare skin Weapon to have Max damage weapons.
You don't need excessive amounts of money to play the game.

Just playing the game normally will net you enough money to have max armor and weapons (even if they are collector or crafter weapons.)

I left the important part of your post. The rest was nonsensical.

No, they're just litigating. And the vast majority of users now pay to play as it were.

Yep, and it's nothing I haven't heard before. Whether I believe what you're saying or not is irrelevant, one of two things is happening if you want to buy gold. A) You're not playing the game well enough to make the gold to get max weps/armor (you're doing it wrong), or B) You want more bling to show off in game, which is pathetic to trade real life money for (you're still doing it wrong).

With no playerbase, there is nothing to cater for.
A company that depends on a playerbase (An online game, for instance) needs to cater for that playerbase to maintain the playerbase, in order to keep the cash and keep the game interesting.

Then again, we have alot of the PvE'ers crying about minor changes that only needs them to search another (How many skills were changes), even then they can run the sub-par, nerfed version still.

Problem is you are only looking out one window. While it has been going on since the game started it has been going on in a "controlled" environment. And that has been controlled by telling people if you do it you risk losing everything. That's a pretty big control. Taking away that control would cause hyperinflation to the maximum, because once people have no fear of anything they would go wild with the idea and gold would increase so high in the game regular players wouldn't be able to aford anything. And the price of the gold for real world money would just continue to soar. Gotta look at the whole picture, not just the parts you like.

Luckily for me, your opinion of how I play my game = diddly/squat.

I have a better idea. Why don't you time farmers go play an SOE game where they really crack down in IP infringement.

Quoted for Truthiness.

Will it buy me elite tomes to make new builds? Will it allow me to play Barbie? Will it open the game up to a wider audience?

Dude. Harsh. Harsh.

Are you that cruel to children?

You shouldn't have asked that as everyone in our office plays golf and bowls and we are all over 50 and we also have WOW accounts along with playing GW for a change of scenery. We are all baby boomers bud. You picked the wrong person to ask those questions to. hahah +1 for me. Oh and btw some of us own WII's a well.

imho there's a good reason why not to offer game currency for real cash. plain and easy because it just doesn't fit into the game concept.

MMORPGS have own virtual worlds with own rules and economies. you place your characters there and get rewards for what your chars achieve in-game. dropping tons of currency into the game from out of nowhere is ridiculous from my point of view.

it's the same thing almost every game. to get something new you have to put some time and effort in. and that is exactly what makes the games enjoyable. Or would anyone enjoy for example Gran Turismo with every Car, Track and Licence unlocked by default? I really doubt it. You could argue that many games have cheats to unlock stuff for those that don't really wan't to play the game. But as most will agree, cheats are not an option for multiplayer games as it affects the other players as well.

i can see tho where the op is coming from as i have a really time consuming daytime job and i could afford some extra platinum to buy obsidian dresses. but at least for me that's not what the game is about.
And personally i really don't think that having more real money should give you an edge in-game. you get that enough in the real world, why take it in the game as well...


besides from farming to buy rare stuff you can as well just go where your wanted item drops and actually play the game there, why don't you. for example if you want a nifty chaos axe, just pick up a group and start questing in fow. chances are pretty good that you will get one from a chest. of course if you have a scrict 2 hour limit this might be a bit of a problem.

Elite skills are open to anyone with a signet of capture. I should know, I've got all of them.

You can play barbie all you want, armor and dye isn't expensive at all. Pretty sure I made enough for a 15k set over 2 days (maybe a week if you've got limited time)

Opening the game to a wider audience? Anyone with $50 and a computer can play. That's a pretty big audience.