Basic Guide to playing Assassins

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Shall we go there with Locusts Fury now?

petrorabbit

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
also had the flaming removed if it starts up again ill just have it removed again
But Moriz's skill was so awesome!

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Shall we go there with Locusts Fury now? Hell no, Flashing Blades = teh pwnz0rz!

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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Originally Posted by petrorabbit
Hell no, Flashing Blades = teh pwnz0rz! Works pretty damn well on Zenmai tbh.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
[build prof=A/R crit=12+1+1 marks=12][critical agility][critical eye][barrage][distracting shot][savage shot][optional][optional][sunspear rebirth signet][/build]

Ebon Battle Standard of Honour is good to take for extra damage to a Barrage/Pet team.
Yeah, generally agreed on that it should be general, I usually think too complicated.

Though I dont agree with you about the EBSoH, its not really about it being effective @ B/P, it boosts, as I have already said, ANY, damage flying out of it including spell damage like various area of effect spells, so evertyhing deals +15 damage and it is good and versetile, BUT(!), the true downside of the ward is that it only works at max level of Evon Vanguard rank, aka, 10. Ebon Vanguard rank is generally considerred hard to grind compared to Norn and Deldrimor ranks, It involves filling in books, on Hard Mode, and though it wont take too long...not too long at all for an expirienced player a newer player will find it hard and long, its pretty much like that...only downside of the ward though that downside really makes it optional on the guide bar that could be sen by newer players too who we dont want to set off do we?



P.S.: Quote:
Originally Posted by petrorabbit
But Moriz's skill was so awesome! I so...so wish he kept it.

petrorabbit

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Although its been the hot topic over the weekend, I think an update with the new a/e perma shadowform build is worth mentioning. Any PvE assassin can make great use of it for farming, and grinding rep, or even shadowform tanking in groups. I'd advise a link to the a/e swiftness of sliver farming build thread in the farming section also for a more indepth discussion.

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

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yeah agreed, mentioning perma SF is a must now tbh, and ways to mantain it well, e.g.

[deadly paradox] + [arcane echo] + [shadow form] which is still in use for farming, primerely with [cry of pain] + [ether nightmare], used often in UW to farm chaos plain.

and very commonly used atm [glyph of swiftness] + [deadly paradox] + [shadow form] used alongside elementalist fire nukes to blow up certain mobs like Raptors on Hm at once or [sliver armor] buffed by various skill such as [ebon battle standard of honor], [intensity] and [glyph of elemental power].

General build include:
[build name="A/Me Permaformer" box build prof=A/Me shadow arts=12+1+3][deadly paradox][arcane echo][shadow form][/build]

and

[build name="A/E Permaformer" box build prof=A/E shadow arts=12+1+3][glyph of swiftness][deadly paradox][shadow form][/build]

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

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gah fine make me do work ><

added the a/e template talked about the a/me one ty for the templates igor

Kaleban

Kaleban

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Hot as hell Florida

[Wckd]

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Just a quick note, although its not vital to the A/Me shadowform build, the skill [skill]Auspicious Incantation[/skill] cast before [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill] basically eliminates any energy problems whatsoever, given a decent investment into Inspiration.

Prior to the SF buff, all my various A/Me SF builds included this skill, and despite the obvious advantages to going /E for damage, A/Me is stillv ery competitive damage wise, better e-management with the only downside being the careful management of the AE-SF chain.

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaleban
Just a quick note, although its not vital to the A/Me shadowform build, the skill [skill]Auspicious Incantation[/skill] cast before [skill]Arcane Echo[/skill] basically eliminates any energy problems whatsoever, given a decent investment into Inspiration.

Prior to the SF buff, all my various A/Me SF builds included this skill, and despite the obvious advantages to going /E for damage, A/Me is stillv ery competitive damage wise, better e-management with the only downside being the careful management of the AE-SF chain. Spirit of Failure is much better:

[build prof=assass/mesme shadow=12+1+3 inspiration=12 deadly=3][Deadly Paradox][Arcane Echo][Shadow Form][Ether Nightmare][Cry of Pain][Viper's Defense][Spirit of Failure][Optional][/build]

Optional can be Channeling, Ether Tap, Light of Deldrimor, Radiation Field, etc.

Kaleban

Kaleban

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Hot as hell Florida

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I actually use both Auspicious AND Spirit of Failure (for the hex needed on Cry of Pain) that way I cannot run out of energy ever lol.

I ditched Viper's Defense because quite often, especially when doing the second quest with the invulnerable aatxes, VD can land you in a corner behind them and then you're stuck. And poison only works on aatxes and terrorwebs, everything in the Chaos Plains are immune to it, so I'll either go with Ether NM or Radiation Field.

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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Originally Posted by Kaleban
I actually use both Auspicious AND Spirit of Failure (for the hex needed on Cry of Pain) that way I cannot run out of energy ever lol.

I ditched Viper's Defense because quite often, especially when doing the second quest with the invulnerable aatxes, VD can land you in a corner behind them and then you're stuck. And poison only works on aatxes and terrorwebs, everything in the Chaos Plains are immune to it, so I'll either go with Ether NM or Radiation Field. Hence plenty of optional choices.

Super Igor

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Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

No, [auspicious incantation] is not needed, because [channeling] and [spirit of failure] would not only do better job but also are enough.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

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Very Nice Guide (at least of what I read). I didn't read it all because I'm already a good sin user, I'll look through it all some other time to give me a few pointers on new builds (don't really like generic builds like Moebius Strike+Death Blossom)

I don't really care if you add it, but a build that I made for sins in PvE that works over a lot of places that I didn't see up there would be:
[build=OwBj0tf44SlZ+PHMDQ1gEQxZuMA]
(I have Daggers and Critical both at 13, with several types of armor, depending on the area, all have 20% Blind reduction. Health, energy, and additional armor depends on the set I use, and therefore the area).

Common varients for skills:
[Golden Fox Strike]: [Unsuspecting Strike] (high health foes)|[Sneak Attack] (for attackers)|[Jagged Strike] [rather weak foes (fast recharge, so easy to start the next chain when an enemy dies)]
[Wild Strike]: [Golden Fang Strike] (areas with little blocking)
[Death Blossom]:[Critical Strike] (I only use that when not using Zealous daggers)|[Twisting Fangs] (basically instant kill for most foes, even in HM)
[Shadow Refuge]:[Smoke Powder Defense] (for a little melee help)|[Viper's Defense](should be self-explanatory)|[Heart of Shadow](for non-regeneration health gain)|[Dash](to get to the back line fast)|[Death's Charge](to get to the backline faster)|[Ebon Escape](the only support a sin can really do without not being a sin)|[Signet of Infection](only when having [Jagged Strike] or [Twisting Fangs] on build or with a party member that has constant bleeding|[Shadow Sanctuary] (if you do need the regeneration and your Kurzick/Luxon title rank is high enough to be better, and you have blind removal)

Usually, Shadow Refuge is not needed, because with at least 13 critical strike and Way of the Assassin, you nearly always get +~30 health per strike, even more with Vampiric Daggers. And, not to mention, there are monks to help heal.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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I will add the WotA build however i will also add that your build is every bit as generic as a MS/DB spammer really only difference between the two is the elite.

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
I will add the WotA build however i will also add that your build is every bit as generic as a MS/DB spammer really only difference between the two is the elite. Well the original build was this:

[build;OwBj0tf44SPM+P7PDQ1gEQxZuMA]

I just changed the skills since I made the build, as Unsuspecting only deals good damage to high health enemies and with Zealous Daggers, which I always use, I don't need the extra energy from Critical Strike, so the AoE damage is better.

Edit: Not to mention that the extra chance of a critical hit wasn't needed through Critical Strike.

October Jade

October Jade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

drifting between Indiana and NorCal

I did a ctrl+f for "insignia" and didn't find anything in this thread.

Is Survivor unequivocally better than the +armor alternatives? The Nightstalker one looks pretty appealing.

Bobby2

Bobby2

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Join Date: Jun 2007

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W/E

For PvE, Nightstalker's a decent choice but quickly becomes less useful once you start facing degen and armor-ignoring damage. Survivor's is extra HP, which is good in every situation.

In PvP, you actually won't be attacking all the time so Nightstalker's becomes VERY situational, lessening it's usefulness even more.

Of course they are Teh Leetest when it comes to Dwarven Boxing.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

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Join Date: Dec 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by October Jade
and didnt find any in this thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

Insignias- Survivor is generally the way to go however some people like to mix radiant insignias in to gain extra energy to help pull off attack chains. However, since you won’t be spiking much, energy shouldn’t be much of a problem with your critical strikes attribute
o hai

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2
For PvE, Nightstalker's a decent choice but quickly becomes less useful once you start facing degen and armor-ignoring damage. Survivor's is extra HP, which is good in every situation.

In PvP, you actually won't be attacking all the time so Nightstalker's becomes VERY situational, lessening it's usefulness even more.

Of course they are Teh Leetest when it comes to Dwarven Boxing. Nightstalkers is pretty useful in Ursan builds.

Bobby2

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Oh hush Unreal, you don't want bear ninjas any more than I do

NYC Elite

NYC Elite

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Nightstalkers is pretty useful in Ursan builds.
Putting aside the comments of "this is a guide to playing an assassin, not an ursan" and the "no u", nightstalkers isn't good on an ursan unless you're auto-attacking the whole time instead of being useful and spamming 1 and 2.

October Jade

October Jade

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

drifting between Indiana and NorCal

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams
o hai I saw that. I was hoping for more discussion because you only compared it to Radiant, which you admit is nearly worthless anyway. That's some pretty detailed analysis.

At least Bobby2 attempted to reason through the question; thank you.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

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Quote:
Originally Posted by October Jade
I saw that. I was hoping for more discussion because you only compared it to Radiant, which you admit is nearly worthless anyway. That's some pretty detailed analysis.

At least Bobby2 attempted to reason through the question; thank you. 1) it is

2) bobby said survivor is best for all situations so he basically said the same thing i did

3) your welcome

also if you wanted a "detailed analysis" you should've said so instead of saying that there wasnt a section. Also i believe i said in there that it was mostly preference anyways as arguments often start up about these things. Survivor is widely considered to be the best choice for the job and since this is a first time sin guide i put it in what is best for first time sins

if u want to continue arguing go ahead but seeing as your question was answered in the guide i see no reason for you to be a smart ass.

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYC Elite
Putting aside the comments of "this is a guide to playing an assassin, not an ursan" and the "no u", nightstalkers isn't good on an ursan unless you're auto-attacking the whole time instead of being useful and spamming 1 and 2. I take it you don't auto-attack with a zealous weapon between skills to keep your energy maintained? No? You know? There is that thing called skill recharge? Right?

LFP with common sense.

Bobby2

Bobby2

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Join Date: Jun 2007

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W/E

...sigh...

on topic

Nightstalker's is maybe less useless than Survivor's for Ursan builds

Super Igor

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2008

why should you kno? Oo

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2
Oh hush Unreal, you don't want bear ninjas any more than I do Ninja bears...sweet.


Tbh on topic, i think best choice for ursan is having moar hp, imo, survivor. Besides you want NOT to be hit way too much in vanquishes soo, u kno.

Bobby2

Bobby2

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Join Date: Jun 2007

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W/E

Awaiting edit, following SF nerf

/dance

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

forgot conjure??

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

somewhere over the rainbow....

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Originally Posted by Lourens
forgot conjure?? added

igor got banned lolololol

Lishy

Lishy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Probably one of the best guides ever. Who knows? I may even go back to re-maining my assassin and completing NF ^_^
Think you can cover assassins+pets though? I remember seeing a few synergy builds with a Sin+Pet in TA.
From what I saw, the build the person used kinda acted like a bunny Thumper.

RavagerOfDreams

RavagerOfDreams

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2007

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Kain i am very sorry but the only pet build i ever used in the exsistance of sins was nerfed with HoTO. However if anyone else knows a good build please post it.

well i have thought of a pet build

[unsuspecting strike] [lotus strike] [twisting fangs] [tigers fury] [enraged lunge] [charm animal] [comfort animal]

best i can think of tbh

Napalm Flame

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Crimson Butterflies [CB]

E/A

I disagree with parts of this guide. If you know how to manage energy you won't need to sit in zealous daggers. I never do because I actually know HOW to manage my energy, and crit strikes suffices. Wtb moar vamp weapons. Also, MS/DB? lol wut? So i herd palm strike is actually now a damn good elite with 75+ armor ignoring damage with cripple straight off the bat. This guide needs to feature less bad bars and more absolutely broken builds that demolish PvE.

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Or just take a Ranger with Cripshot for unblockable ranged snares before you even get near the mob that can be quickly covered by Poison and has a faster recharge? Deep Freeze? Ward Against Foes?

Personally for avoiding wiping I prefer You Move Like A Dwarf because I can activate it while running away without stopping to use it in melee range.

Bobby2

Bobby2

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MS/DB over any PS chain in PvE. Positioning wins.

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Originally Posted by Picuso
I used it when I played my Assassin in PvE and I never needed that "quick recharging cripple to avoid major HM Wipes". Aegis and good monks was enough.
QFT, but even so
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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
Personally for avoiding wiping I prefer You Move Like A Dwarf because I can activate it while running away without stopping to use it in melee range.

Napalm Flame

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2007

Crimson Butterflies [CB]

E/A

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Originally Posted by Bobby2 View Post
MS/DB over any PS chain in PvE. Positioning wins. lol blind and block

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Self condition removal/Monks with condition removal and Wild Blow/Necromancers with Rigor Mortis/Defile Defenses/any form of enchantment removal.

Seriously... if it's PvE you know what's ahead of you (or should do) so you're going to prepare for it.

Also blocking and blinding screws the rest of your chain too, what you're going to spam Palm Strike every four seconds on recharge until blind gets removed or until the blocking has been dealt with? That's like the equivelant of 20DPS at 14 Critical Strikes only you don't even critical because it's a touch skill, yeah that's really going to achieve alot.