Dishonorable - Worst Idea Ever

I think his point was that a lot of the people using stupid builds are simply other forms of griefers that can no longer be dealt with, and the rules were implemented to help the "carebears" as he called them. I don't necessarily agree, but it is another hilarious way of looking at it.

My point was that RA is supposed to be a training/testing ground, not a farming ground. Farming ground=People go nuts and need rules.

Honestly, it isn't my fault I brought up a nearly indisputable point. NOBODY has even touched it yet.

You are one of the many people in this thread who are simply saying "everybody likes it and the people who don't are nubs lock thread bye bye", which isn't productive and nobody cares.

Perhaps there is a reason this thread hasn't been locked? Legit points have been brought up. The only reason they would lock it is because people who like the hex start flaming those who don't.

dreamwind, i can't make the link between you telling RA is a new farming ground AND the OP saying dishonorable is the worst idea ever.

Read the thread. I'm saying turning RA into farming ground was the only reason dishonorable exists. I also don't think dishonorable is the "worst idea ever"...just one thing in a list of bad ideas.

Take out dishonerable...then take out glad title in RA.

Problem solved, kthnxbye.

This post is for DreamWind. Post 85: You also stated that other peoples opinions were garbage, but gave no agument supporting your opinion.
Post 114: This post you state dishonorable encourages negative behaviors and ask a rheotrical question where the small number of leavers could not have been providing that big of a disruption, so why implement dishonorable in the first place?
Me: Post 119: I didn't take this thread seriously then. I never should have.
Post 121: One of the best posts on this thread. Clearly explains that the problems of dishonorable are insignificant compared to the undesired behaviors that they were designed to discourage.Post 129: Clearly explains the reasons for keeping RA random, and how dishonorable supports those reasons.Post 131: Your post refuting Moria and strcpy's posts and explaining how leaving is beneficial.

Post 134: In answer to your question on why glad points were added in the first place. My problems begin here.

I believe that I was clear, concise and truthful in my statements, which caused you to quote me, and essentially draw me deeper into the argument.

I'm pretty sure that I have correctly figured out and explained why the developers put Dishonorable and Glad Points into RA and TA. In turn, you've demanded proof that the game is better now, but refuse to acknowlege that more interest in this area of PvP is better overall.

When you argued otherwise, I tried to give you an analogy that might put it into perspective for you: Community > Few. It went over your head.

You tried to twist the speed zone analogy for your argument and in doing so you showed me how truly unreasonable you are. No one was arguing with my analogy except you. No one is arguing with your point because they've come to realize that they are wrestling with a pig. Personally, I'm tired of getting dirty, so I've decided not to wrestle with you anymore.

That isn't to say that I am quitting, I'm clearly engaged on this thread, I'm just ignoring you. Every time you direct your words toward me, understand that I truly believe that nothing you have to say is of any value to me.

You have a great day now, yah hear?

I asked Zahr Dalsk to elaborate.

I have given plenty of arguments supporting my opinion. Before I got involved in this thread, 90% of the posts were people saying dishonorable was good, everybody who didn't like it was a noob, and the thread should be locked. I thought it was ridiculous and unfair. That is really the only reason I got involved when I didn't really care much to begin with.

Which is still true.

But you are still posting in it.

Eh as far as I remember I completely refuted those, and I never said "leaving is beneficial" unless it was under the context of "leaving was made beneficial because of the changes that never should have been made".

Of course I argued otherwise, because I thought you theory wasn't very good. Your argument for the changes to RA amounted to "the majority like it so it is good" or "more people are there so it is good". Both of those I completely disagree with (and have posted about it numerous times). If you can point me to where your argued something else supporting the changes, I'd love for you to do so.

I twisted the analogy because it was a bad example. It was extremely simplified for one. Not to mention it had already drawn conclusions that were being argued to begin with. It assumes that dishonorable is good (25mph) and no dishonorable is bad (75mph). It assumed far too much.

Basically that analogy along with some other things people posted earlier led me to respond with "if the majority like it, does that necessarily make it good?" To which nobody has yet to respond to (and you started "ignoring" me).

Lets assume that RA has more players because of the changes. Does more people in RA mean the changes were better for the game? A lot more people love WoW than Guild Wars. I believe Guild Wars is better than WoW. Thus is it my belief that more people love an inferior game. I could easily say the same comparing current RA (WoW) to past RA (GW). Not to mention more people in RA means less people in other areas of Guild Wars, which is another complete argument altogether.

Lets now make another assumption that most people like the changes. Does more people liking it mean it is better for the game? A lot of people like Ursan. I believe Ursan is destructive to Guild Wars. Thus it is my belief that a lot of people like something that is destructive to the game. I could easily say the same for the RA changes.

It must have some value, as I am one of the only people actually keeping this overly long thread alive, and you keep responding to my posts...

I wish he would. I'm getting bored and his post was one of only things that was entertaining in this thread.

Winner, Red Sand.

/request close