Have you been banned for your name?

Yoshikuni Mahsu

Yoshikuni Mahsu

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Join Date: Feb 2008

For the most part id have to say inappropriate names are a justified ban. There was an arguement, however, id have to agree with.

Anet makes a game with 80% naked female characters and yet ban's names hinting at sexual influence, seems hypocritical to me. If Anet doesn't want people making "thunder titz" then dont make Ele's with gigantuanormousness "attributes" hanging out all over the place.

"Its ok, its our game, and since sex sells, we can put sexual influences in the game, just dont follow our example, the players have to keep it clean."




P.S. Im not saying "cover up all female characters!" God no, leave the tits be! Just dont be such hypocrites.

tooburns

tooburns

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Join Date: Dec 2005

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Meth Man and i get banned for 72hrs and my friend Milf Asss get a 72hrs to

Glib

Glib

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
And up to here, I thought you were addressing the whiny snots that lack maturity to accept their name is obviously inappropriate. It is my personal opinion that this system keeps the names of the player base relatively sane.
I'm not disputing that there are a number of names that are obviously over the top, and they should go...but some of the stuff getting banned is SO mild that it would play on daytime TV and the FCC (not a wholy reasonable institution) would let it go. I

t takes a report for a ban. Who makes the reports? People who probably go to rated R movies, stay for the whole thing, the bitch that they want their money back because there were too many "F-words" Read the goddam rating!!! It's other players causing the problem-thinking T for teen means E for everyone-it's bullshit! Folks can argue all they want that ANet is banning for names, but it isn't them,it's players reporting for things, that by rating, are appropriate to the game.

READ THIS:

TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

The phrase "big boobs" may be tasteless, but it is not considered "strong language", even though it is sexist. The FCC allows it, ratings for television broadcasting and ESRB say it is generally acceptable, yet one person says "oh, my goodness, gracious me! I find it offensive in the context of a game where this is to be expected and have the power to /report so I will exert said power at every available opportunity with impunity for any other player that says/does anything I find bothersome."

Just another freaking example of the whiny minority exerting power over the common majority and infringing on our rights to express ourselves -dammit, it's like the kid in school "excuse me teacher, but Billy said 'poop', do you think the class should get to go to recess because Billy was bad? I think we should all stay in and color!" I hated that kid then, and I hate him now.

And YES...there are some outrageously innappropriate names. But banning someone for 3 days because they had the poor taste to name a character Beeg Bewbs McGee is just outright stupid. Just like the FCC not coming out and saying what is and is not acceptable and then busting people for things they decide they don't like.

How about a list SPECIFICALLY stating what is not acceptable instead of hiding behind the "whatever we decide" clause. Jus say it. You can't mention rectum, breast, penis, vagina, rape, fornication, defication, any religious affiliation or the dieties thereof, acts of abuse and all slang and euphemistic terms relating to or describing these terms as character names.

Eliminate the fuzziness of it...otherwise, perfectly good names of REAL people may end up banned because some whinypuss had to gripe. John Hancock, John Thomas, Thomas Crapper, Phil McKraken, Peter Dragon, Rhonda Banghart, Melissa Flockhardt, David Swallows, Barb Wilcock...and oh, so many more, are real people whose names can easily be deemed inapropriate if one person gripes about it...as it is, not one Richard can go as Dick, though they may in real life.

See Dick play.
See Dick see name "Three Hump Camel"
See Dick get offended.
See Dick /report.

Don't be a Dick.

Mac Sidewinder

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

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Originally Posted by Glib
That's just silly...everyone knows that speeding is a crime, yet everyone does it and it's fine, unless you get caught. Getting caught is the only thing that makes immoral and unethical behavior wrong . It's the foundation of our entire society: Here are the laws based on ten commandments, don't get caught. If you do get caught, scream and yell and holler loud about how unfair it is - too bad...but throw a little money at it and everything is fine: from the Church to O.J..

As for the whole name thing...there it a grey area as to what constitutes "inappropriate". Many of us feel the names should be allowed under the T rating, others feel that "sole discretion" of ANet means they can do what they like regarding the bans...and they can. The problem lies with the whiny snots that are offended by things that are within the rating and report it. To keep them happy ANet uses their "sole discretion" unilaterally to wipe any name some bitchy puritanical zealot deems a little too naughty...My opinion: just another way for someone to grief other players because someone pissed in their oatmeal.
First of all - getting caught doesn't make the act any more or less immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal. It was either immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal in the first place. This is just your way of justifying your behavior. Neither the Ten Commandments nor Anet state that you can do anything you want BUT "don't get caught." As a matter of fact they both say "Thou shall not" in one way or another, period.

This is a type of MMO. This means that people interact with one another. If you want to play a single player rpg and name your character "Tussy Pickler" (real name, I saw it a couple days ago) then go right ahead and nobody will stop you. But when you play online you have to both play by the rules of the creator of the game, and also by common sense. If you purposely try to get around the name filter or select an inappropriate name then you will get caught and reported eventually.

When you get caught, its not the reporters fault, it's yours for making the name up in the first place. You probably knew it was pushing (or probably over) the line in the first place, and I have no sympathy for you.

Now with all that wall of text I have to say that I don't make it a habit of looking for names to report BUT if I notice one that I think really steps over the line then I have no problem using the report function.

Bottom line - if you want to keep your name use common sense.

Glib

Glib

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

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Originally Posted by Mac Sidewinder
First of all - getting caught doesn't make the act any more or less immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal. It was either immoral, unethical, wrong or illegal in the first place. This is just your way of justifying your behavior. Neither the Ten Commandments nor Anet state that you can do anything you want BUT "don't get caught." As a matter of fact they both say "Thou shall not" in one way or another, period.
The "winky-face" was inserted to denote a tone of sarcasm...sorry I wasn't more clear.

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This is a type of MMO. This means that people interact with one another. If you want to play a single player rpg and name your character "Tussy Pickler" (real name, I saw it a couple days ago) then go right ahead and nobody will stop you. But when you play online you have to both play by the rules of the creator of the game, and also by common sense. If you purposely try to get around the name filter or select an inappropriate name then you will get caught and reported eventually.
Who gets to decide what is inappropriate? You? Of course, you...but if you can expect it given the games rating, why gripe?

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When you get caught, its not the reporters fault, it's yours for making the name up in the first place. You probably knew it was pushing (or probably over) the line in the first place, and I have no sympathy for you.
I wouldn't expect sympathy, I've never been banned. Why? I've always picked interesting, creative names without any questionable material...I just like a fair argument. In this case, I'm not offended by names like Pink Pickle...13 year olds have the right to play, and the right to give their characters stupid names as long as they don't become OBVIOUSLY past the rating of the game.

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Now with all that wall of text I have to say that I don't make it a habit of looking for names to report BUT if I notice one that I think really steps over the line then I have no problem using the report function.
Good...you should.

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Bottom line - if you want to keep your name use common sense.
Here in lies the rub: Anyone who understands ESRB ratings might presume to think that common sense would be to allow names that meet the requirements of the T rating. When a person /reports names that fit the rating and then those names get banned, THERE is where "common sense" should dictate that the name stays and the /reporter has to just suck it up and realize that the game is rated T and therefor they can expect some vulgarity.

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Originally Posted by Glib
...It takes a report for a ban....
Yeah, this statement is the foundation for your post, and I see no grounds supporting it. AFAIK, it takes a report to suggest a ban, and it goes both ways, as the disclaimer at the bottom of the report window states. At the end of the day, it is ANet that has the final word, so it is fair for people to argue about ANet's decision.

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The phrase "big boobs" may be tasteless, but it is not considered "strong language", even though it is sexist. The FCC allows it, ratings for television broadcasting and ESRB say it is generally acceptable, yet one person says "oh, my goodness, gracious me! I find it offensive in the context of a game where this is to be expected and have the power to /report so I will exert said power at every available opportunity with impunity for any other player that says/does anything I find bothersome."
Change "big boobs" to "ash whole" and your post still stands perfectly fine. Frankly, words belong in context, and such language may be ok for silly jokes, but is just inappropriate for a character name. Focker is a valid German surname, but it will be controlled if it is not used within good context.

God also forbid someone have an opinion on crude language that doesn't match yours. I find it offensive that you think their opinion on a gray matter should be quashed before they have a chance to speak.

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Just another freaking example of the whiny minority exerting power over the common majority and infringing on our rights to express ourselves
Yeah, I think the minority is actually the immature kiddies that want every opportunity to express themselves, even when it's inappropriate. Any statement like the above could be equally valid when turned around.

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-dammit, it's like the kid in school "excuse me teacher, but Billy said 'poop', do you think the class should get to go to recess because Billy was bad? I think we should all stay in and color!" I hated that kid then, and I hate him now.
Yeah, but the kid does not have the final word on the matter, and frankly, the minority does not have control of the situation; they exert no power at all.

On a related note, I also hated the kid that tries to get around every single rule by loopholes just to get attention.

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And YES...there are some outrageously innappropriate names. But banning someone for 3 days because they had the poor taste to name a character Beeg Bewbs McGee is just outright stupid. Just like the FCC not coming out and saying what is and is not acceptable and then busting people for things they decide they don't like."

How about a list SPECIFICALLY stating what is not acceptable instead of hiding behind the "whatever we decide" clause. Jus say it. You can't mention rectum, breast, penis, vagina, rape, fornication, defication, any religious affiliation or the dieties thereof, acts of abuse and all slang and euphemistic terms relating to or describing these terms as character names.
It is impossible to create a rule semantics, other than "don't be inappropriate;" controlling semantics through syntax doesn't work. You can outlaw every swear word, but then you can't touch people that use "Fcuk You." What ends up happening is growing the dictionary of words and you end up blocking more things then intended; fuzzy would end up being better.

ANet: /temp ban Fcuk You.
Fcuk You: I'm just trying to promote a fragrance!
ANet: Oh, crap...ok, we'll let you off.
/register_account Ash Fcuk...etc

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Originally Posted by Glib
Who gets to decide what is inappropriate? You? Of course, you...but if you can expect it given the games rating, why gripe?
Just to nail it home again, players do not decide. Players ask ANet to look into, and ANet then decides. The command is "/report," not "/ban."

Glib

Glib

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Join Date: May 2008

Ok...ANet gets the final word, but what it amounts to is someone had to "tattle" or ANet would have never known about the name, considered it, then banned it. And I keep saying, but no one seems to read it, that I agree that words/names that obviously cross the line should be banned, BUT if it fits the rating of the game, it should be allowed.

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God also forbid someone have an opinion on crude language that doesn't match yours. I find it offensive that you think their opinion on a gray matter should be quashed before they have a chance to speak.
I spend all day quashing inappropriate language, I'm a teacher. I have a set of clearly defined rules that allow me to say specifically what is and is NOT allowed. I think I have a reasonable grasp of what is acceptable in a rated T game and would never tell people they are not allowed to express their opinions (even when I disagree with them). My arguement still stands...justify for me how people can "tattle" and ANet can ban, in good conscience, people who have characters that have names that fit within the parameters of a T rating.

As for opinions on grey matter...I think far to few people are seriously using theirs.

As for Fcuk, it should be banned for copyright infringement.

Mac Sidewinder

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Well Glib I'm glad you've never been banned (neither have I). And it looks like we both try to make interesting names. But it looks like your whole argument comes down to this then. Maybe Anet needs to change the rating? Of course then there's the problem. If they did that then some of their revenue would go as well.

On a side note - I don't consider it "tattling" if you report someone for inappropriate behavior. You make it sound like everybody is a little kid that plays this game.

And yes I agree with you in that "far to few people are seriously using their" gray matter, especially the ones that make up these kind of names.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
Change "big boobs" to "ash whole" and your post still stands perfectly fine. Frankly, words belong in context, and such language may be ok for silly jokes, but is just inappropriate for a character name. Focker is a valid German surname, but it will be controlled if it is not used within good context.
You're just tossing a softball right at Glib with this one.

Don't you remember the movie Meet the Fockers? A PG-13 rated movie (i.e., considered appropriate for young teenagers) that dwelled at great length on the homonym Focker? There was no context - it was just an opportunity to say Focker over and over again without getting in trouble. That was the whole joke.

You're talking about an "opinion" on crude language, when Glib's point is that all individual opinions are secondary to the specific guidelines set by the rating.

As he pointed out, and as remains absolutely true, idiotic body humor remains the bread and butter of PG-13 media. It is the standard, not a deviation from it.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Somebody try "Cluck My Sock" please.

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Wait, so you'd ban Fcuk for copyright infringement, but not for coarse language? Then how about "Like Your Asp Whole?" Just preferring snakes that are not sliced up, right?

If you really want to argue it, then assuming a character has uses strong language for their user name. Guess what, he's got frequent use of strong language in his T game. Additionally, if ANet does allow strong language for character names that would be ok infrequently, then how would they enforce the infrequent aspect? By only forcing a name change once for every 5 users that violates?

The T rating also says it "may" contain. It does not have to, and ANet can see to it that it does not if they want. An R rated movie can contain gore, but the director can choose not to have gore in it. It is their product, they call the shots.

Additionally, I don't actually anything about language in GW's ratings. Might want to actually use the search on the ESRB site.

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Originally Posted by Personette
Don't you remember the movie Meet the Fockers? A PG-13 rated movie (i.e., considered appropriate for young teenagers) that dwelled at great length on the homonym Focker? There was no context - it was just an opportunity to say Focker over and over again without getting in trouble. That was the whole joke.
Ha, thanks for falling for the Focker's reference: The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker" [citation].

Ju-On

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2008

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Yep. I got a bunch of bannable names ATM, but they're in Japanese so no ban for me ^^

RedStar

RedStar

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Join Date: Jul 2007

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If you don't want to be ban, don't create a character with an English name xD.

Personette

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
Wait, so you'd ban Fcuk for copyright infringement, but not for coarse language? Then how about "Like Your Asp Whole?" Just preferring snakes that are not sliced up, right?
Huh? FCUK = French Connection, it is a trademark. That's a legal matter. Asp Whole is just potty humor, again.

What he is saying is, "I find legal arguments compelling. Such as trademark infringement and official age-appropriate guidelines for teens."

It's not a semantic argument that he's making.

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
If you really want to argue it, then assuming a character has uses strong language for their user name. Guess what, he's got frequent use of strong language in his T game. Additionally, if ANet does allow strong language for character names that would be ok infrequently, then how would they enforce the infrequent aspect? By only forcing a name change once for every 5 users that violates?
Most people don't want to tag themselves with a ridiculous name. The problem takes care of itself.

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine

The T rating also says it "may" contain. It does not have to, and ANet can see to it that it does not if they want. An R rated movie can contain gore, but the director can choose not to have gore in it. It is their product, they call the shots.
The rating doesn't denote what MAY be. It indicates what IS.

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
Ha, thanks for falling for the Focker's reference: The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker" [citation].
Uh...what did I fall for? I don't get it at all. You said that stupid bodily humor jokes need to have a context. You brought up a movie that hangs on stupid bodily humor and entirely lacks context. What's the conclusion here? Some behind the scenes events that the average viewer remains totally unaware of impact the humor of the film how?

Gattsu05

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

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Can't say I've ever had any names worth reporting and for those that were banned it makes me happy to see Anet doing it's job. It's funny because I remember reporting a great deal of the people mentioned here.

But for those saying that Anet is infringing upon their expressive rights to name their characters I think they need to go back and reread the End License User Agreement and Code of Conduct. Anet is not a democracy it is a dictatorship that you signed on to when you agreed to their terms.

To all of you complaining about the "integrity" of the game (large breasts, alcohol consumption, etc.), how do you think it would be if they let all the names like Dildo Wielder and Beeg Bewbs Mcgee stay in the game?

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Originally Posted by Personette
Huh? FCUK = French Connection, it is a trademark. That's a legal matter. Asp Whole is just potty humor, again.
Yes, and their entire marketing campaign a silly joke to sidestep the use of fcuk instead of f*** for shock. Frankly, it's a loophole tactic, much like many of the immature kids that are whining. I understand the trademark argument, but my focus is on the inappropriateness of the name.

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The rating doesn't denote what MAY be. It indicates what IS.
And if you actually checked ESRB's site for GW's teen rating, it indicates nothing about inappropriate language. Alcohol, violence, but not language.

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Uh...what did I fall for? I don't get it at all. You said that stupid bodily humor jokes need to have a context. You brought up a movie that hangs on stupid bodily humor and entirely lacks context. What's the conclusion here? Some behind the scenes events that the average viewer remains totally unaware of impact the humor of the film how?
The point was the word "Focker" could not be used freely in the title without a good reason; If the movie did not have a family named "Focker," then the MPAA wouldn't have allowed that word in the title.

Glib

Glib

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Join Date: May 2008

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
Wait, so you'd ban Fcuk for copyright infringement, but not for coarse language? Then how about "Like Your Asp Whole?" Just preferring snakes that are not sliced up, right?
I see Fcuk signs in the department store...and yes, copyright/trademark infringement is in the EULA. As for the Asp Whole...if we were allowed punctuation and could use a question mark, then no problem, but without punctuation it becomes and understood statement that the implied "you" enjoys venomous snake whole...the only thing I find offensive is the suggestion that I would not clean, dress and saute such a meal in butter...I'm sure it tastes similar to rattlesnake, which I do, in fact, enjoy...but not whole.

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If you really want to argue it, then assuming a character has uses strong language for their user name. Guess what, he's got frequent use of strong language in his T game. Additionally, if ANet does allow strong language for character names that would be ok infrequently, then how would they enforce the infrequent aspect? By only forcing a name change once for every 5 users that violates?
As Iv'e said on neumerous occasions, strong language SHOULD be banned in character names...I just don't think Spoonerisms and suggestive language equates to "strong" language: harmless hijinx, nothing more. Racism, the actual "F" word, shit, rape and abuse references (especially as directed towards women and children) and language disparaging any religion...that, to me is the core of what we might all agree on as inappropriate (I'm sure there are more examples). Names like Three Hump Camel, Spunky Monkey, Lord of Wiz, Pees In A Pod, Claude Balls and the like are the kinds of names I think should be left the hell alone.

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The T rating also says it "may" contain. It does not have to, and ANet can see to it that it does not if they want. An R rated movie can contain gore, but the director can choose not to have gore in it. It is their product, they call the shots.
When people /report names as offensive merely because they contain words like Ebola and ANet acts on it...the person who /report calls the shots. Anyone here who has 1/2 a brain KNOWS it's a horrible way to die...but holy jumpin frags batman, making light of tragedy is nothing new...It's a coping mechanism no more offensive than the childrens' nursury rhyme "Ring Around the Rosey" which depicts the Black Death that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people in the Dark Ages...so, should the name Black Death or Plague Sender or Pocket O Poseys, therefore be considered offensive? What if some of my ancestors died as a result of the Black Death (and they did) should I report every reference of it because it offends me? Or should I just suck it up....my vote is suck it up. Yes it IS their product. And a T rating says "may" contain blah, blah, blah...does NOT say anything about drugs and alcohol and rewards for their usage...but simulated drunkeness is all part of the game....Any /report from MADD saying it needs an R rating?

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Additionally, I don't actually anything about language in GW's ratings. Might want to actually use the search on the ESRB site.
GW's rating? When did they start rating things? The ESRB rates games on content and I've posted it twice already...did YOU look it up?

EDIT: Sorry, misunderstood the statement...I was talking about ESRB rating in general to get a T rating, not what makes GW rated T...either way, my opinion that Bewbs is not "strong" language stands and that the general T rating should include alcohol and sexy underwear....maybe they would sell more games if they advertised it.



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Ha, thanks for falling for the Focker's reference: The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker" [citation].
So? That just supports the supposition that actual names like Focker should be OK because they are real names. I have a collection of over 200 names that are funny/imappropriate if you read too much into them...all real names from the 4 years I worked in the travel industry booking old white folks for cruises to Alaska and Mexico. You want to talk offensive, lets discuss the blatant racism of Liberian registered cruise ships.

EDIT: By the way, your reference says it was also a spelling issue changed back because of continuity of the franchise-money wins! It does, however relate an interesting anecdote wereby Barbara Streisand was nicknamed "Boob" during the shoot.

thedarkmarine

thedarkmarine

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Originally Posted by Glib
I see Fcuk signs in the department store...and yes, copyright/trademark infringement is in the EULA. As for the Asp Whole...if we were allowed punctuation and could use a question mark, then no problem, but without punctuation it becomes and understood statement that the implied "you" enjoys venomous snake whole...the only thing I find offensive is the suggestion that I would not clean, dress and saute such a meal in butter...I'm sure it tastes similar to rattlesnake, which I do, in fact, enjoy...but not whole.
So you wouldn't see that as an intentional attempt to sidestep ass hole? I think we found the source of our differences then.

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When people /report names as offensive merely because they contain words like Ebola and ANet acts on it...the person who /report calls the shots. Anyone here who has 1/2 a brain KNOWS it's a horrible way to die...but holy jumpin frags batman, making light of tragedy is nothing new...It's a coping mechanism no more offensive than the childrens' nursury rhyme "Ring Around the Rosey" which depicts the Black Death that wiped out hundreds of thousands of people in the Dark Ages...so, should the name Black Death or Plague Sender or Pocket O Poseys, therefore be considered offensive? What if some of my ancestors died as a result of the Black Death (and they did) should I report every reference of it because it offends me? Or should I just suck it up....my vote is suck it up.
Does it actually offends you though? You're just using something remotely detached to compare, and it's not a fair trial.

See, ebola may be higly sensitive; my officemate had a family member almost die of ebola due to a lab accident. Some experiences are more tramuatizing than others. If my grandmother was raped by the Japanese in Nanjing, you damn will believe that a name like "Pride of Japan" would offend me. ANet chooses to play it safe in this ebola. I can understand that. I may not 100% totally support, but I can understand it.

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Yes it IS their product. And a T rating says "may" contain blah, blah, blah...does NOT say anything about drugs and alcohol and rewards for their usage...but simulated drunkeness is all part of the game....Any /report from MADD saying it needs an R rating?

GW's rating? When did they start rating things? The ESRB rates games on content and I've posted it twice already...did YOU look it up?
GW's ESRB rating dear. It's obvious that you haven't actually looked it up. It's amusing to note that the ESRB explicitly states alcohol as one of the elements in these games.

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So? That just supports the supposition that actual names like Focker should be OK because they are real names. I have a collection of over 200 names that are funny/imappropriate if you read too much into them...all real names from the 4 years I worked in the travel industry booking old white folks for cruises to Alaska and Mexico. You want to talk offensive, lets discuss the blatant racism of Liberian registered cruise ships.
It actually illustrates that not all names are always suitable. The MPAA agrees. If a last name is just a last name, why would Guillotin want to change his name?

Glib

Glib

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2008

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
So you wouldn't see that as an intentional attempt to sidestep ass hole? I think we found the source of our differences then.
Sure it is, but then the words are neither actually ass nor hole...it's purely in your head that there exists similarity in meaning because of similarity in sound. I would never expect ANet to edit either the words thespian or masticate, and yet, because they sound similar to lesbian and masturbate I'm sure it will happen. The sidestepping of profanity/vulgar language happens all the time. Does saying Darn, Dang it,Cheese and Crackers, Fudge, Shoot, or Mother Sucker mean the actual words they are substituting? If they did, the FCC would be all over edited TV run movies. The sidestepping of vulgar language is a means of softening the peaker/writer's intent...It is commonly held as acceptable by most people.



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Does it actually offends you though? You're just using something remotely detached to compare, and it's not a fair trial.
OK...lessee here, a few hundred people dying recently vs. a few hundred thousand a few hundred years ago...hmmmm...OK, I'll buy it isn't a "fair" comparison...but no less detatched than your friend's story...It's not here, not now. I would have a similar reation to Emphasyma, Cancer, Brain Tumor, Lukemia, Systic Fibrosis, Car Wreck, Suicide, Blood Poisoning, Diabetes, Organ Rejection, CMV, Overdose and a number of other means of expiration as your friend might. I lost my brother, uncle, grandfather and a few friends and nearly my wife to this list...but I would never report someone for using them in their toon's name. My wife agrees...and also thinks "Bewbs" is hysterical. Maybe I'm just not hypersensitive about such things and beleive everyone should cater to me over benign words that may spark a bit of negative emotion.

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See, ebola may be higly sensitive; my officemate had a family member almost die of ebola due to a lab accident. Some experiences are more tramuatizing than others. If my grandmother was raped by the Japanese in Nanjing, you damn will believe that a name like "Pride of Japan" would offend me. ANet chooses to play it safe in this ebola. I can understand that. I may not 100% totally support, but I can understand it.
I would categorize it as overly-sensitive. The disease takes out a family member and you are so overwrought by it you report someone...Anyone THAT sensitive to the word should seek counselling and probably not be playing video games where the objectives are usually based on mass killing.



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GW's ESRB rating dear. It's obvious that you haven't actually looked it up. It's amusing to note that the ESRB explicitly states alcohol as one of the elements in these games.
Actually, I misunderstood. I edited my reply above. I was talking in general terms of a T rating, not the reason GW specifically earned its rating. You are right, up until the post, I had only read the ESRB on the box and the general T rating (broad context) from the ESRB site.



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It actually illustrates that not all names are always suitable. The MPAA agrees. If a last name is just a last name, why would Guillotin want to change his name?
He can't, they lopped of his head with it!

Actually, I firmly beleive that a name is a name and no matter its origin, should not be changed because someone else sees it as unsuitable. I had to bite back a laugh when a tsunami hit Phuc...not because of the tragedy, but at the news casters falling all over themselves trying to avoid saying "the F word" which they would not have been doing.

I guess in this case, I have a soft spot in my heart for people getting to keep their names. On Ellis Island, my relatives came from Ireland with the name O'Dowd. It sounded too "Irish" to some asshole (no side stepping my intent here) so the changed it without consent to Dowdy, which means slut. I'm almost thankful for being adopted out of that one.

I know people with outrageous sounding names...including a whole family of Swallows, Lickers (even Richard who goes by Dick) and went to school with a Felicia Oh...I would never ask them to change their name just because someone automatically went to the nasty corners of their mind to get offended and claim them to be unsuitable...I have a whole bunch of Cree, Cherokee and Chawktah family members whos tribal names were obliterated...many now known by Dawson because that's the place they ended up.

The MPAA, by the way, is a notoriously secretive, unreliable institution that does whatever they feel like with little to no actual oversite. I have very little respect for their beliefs and/or opinions, but that is another conversation all together.

Enjoying the debate BTW...always nice to have someone you disagree with willing td do it with civillity.

free_fall

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After nearly 3 years, my main toon "Jehovahs Waitress" got banned. Apparently some humourless JW finally reported me.
OMG! What a great name!

Personette

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And if you actually checked ESRB's site for GW's teen rating, it indicates nothing about inappropriate language. Alcohol, violence, but not language.
You were making an argument that the rating denotes what MAY be, versus what IS. You said the makers of an R rated movie can choose not to use all kinds of R rated material - like gore - and that, likewise, the makers of Guild Wars could make a squeaky clean game with a T rating.

In fact, the rating denotes what IS - if it's an R movie, there IS some R rated material in it; and if it's a T for Teen game, there IS some teen-only material in it.

You are correct in pointing out the obvious: that the makers of an R rated movie are not required to include every kind of behavior that could merit an R rating. They can pick and choose. Ditto for games.

I'd like to see some more detailed guidelines about what exactly "strong language" is. I did discover that some of the GW games are cited by the ESRB for "mild suggestive themes" which I guess would cover some of the punny quest names (that Seamen quest is mild?) and skimpy costumes.

Without more specific guidelines we are at least somewhat in the dark. Here is what the MPAA says about language in a PG-13 film:

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A motion picture’s single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating. More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context. The Rating Board nevertheless may rate such a motion picture PG-13 if, based on a special vote by a two-thirds majority, the Raters feel that most American parents would believe that a PG-13 rating is appropriate because of the context or manner in which the words are used or because the use of those words in the motion picture is inconspicuous.
By that rule, "Meet the Fockers" should have been an R film - it uses the word "Focker", though not in a sexual context, more than once. However, it's not - it's PG-13. So there must be some difference between the expletives that count as strong language and puns, homonyms, or just a simple obsession with an anatomy.

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The point was the word "Focker" could not be used freely in the title without a good reason; If the movie did not have a family named "Focker," then the MPAA wouldn't have allowed that word in the title.
Ah, so it sounds like you're talking about the title specifically, and not actual film? That's interesting, since clearly children who go to G or PG rated movies will be exposed to the title on commercials or at the theater - no doubt why the rules are stricter. Here, incidentally, is the quote from imdb:

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During production, the proposed title of "Meet the Fockers" was thought by the studio to be too vulgar. The spelling was briefly changed to "Meet the Fokkers", but that would have upset the franchise's continuity, so it was changed back.
It was the studio that thought it was too vulgar. Not the MPAA. And someone thought Fokker was less offensive than Focker? But the homonym is exactly the same.

This argument continues to work against you.

thedarkmarine

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Originally Posted by Glib
Sure it is, but then the words are neither actually ass nor hole...it's purely in your head that there exists similarity in meaning because of similarity in sound. I would never expect ANet to edit either the words thespian or masticate, and yet, because they sound similar to lesbian and masturbate I'm sure it will happen. The sidestepping of profanity/vulgar language happens all the time. Does saying Darn, Dang it,Cheese and Crackers, Fudge, Shoot, or Mother Sucker mean the actual words they are substituting? If they did, the FCC would be all over edited TV run movies. The sidestepping of vulgar language is a means of softening the peaker/writer's intent...It is commonly held as acceptable by most people.
It's not the words, but the semantics, the intent behind the name. By your argument, you would not have a problem with your student saying, "Mr. Glib likes ass wholes," and using your position on animal cruelty as a defense.

Murder's happen all the time too, so that excuse is void. Now, you say sidestepping is a way of softening the intent. I see it as trying to get by loopholes via technicality. It is acceptable by most people, but under what context? A quick joke? Fine. A permanent label? Hm...I don't know...

The string of words you've supplied all convey the same feeling as the strong language they replace, but I don't see them as attempts to say the actual words they replace. It's the fine line I draw between "fcuk you," and "screw off." (I do feel that Mother Sucker has crossed the line though.)

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OK...lessee here, a few hundred people dying recently vs. a few hundred thousand a few hundred years ago...hmmmm...OK, I'll buy it isn't a "fair" comparison...but no less detatched than your friend's story...It's not here, not now. I would have a similar reation to Emphasyma, Cancer, Brain Tumor, Lukemia, Systic Fibrosis, Car Wreck, Suicide, Blood Poisoning, Diabetes, Organ Rejection, CMV, Overdose and a number of other means of expiration as your friend might. I lost my brother, uncle, grandfather and a few friends and nearly my wife to this list...but I would never report someone for using them in their toon's name. My wife agrees...and also thinks "Bewbs" is hysterical. Maybe I'm just not hypersensitive about such things and beleive everyone should cater to me over benign words that may spark a bit of negative emotion.
Now you're being awfully narrow minded by forcing your standards on others. "Things like this doesn't affect me, so it affecting anyone else is being hypersensitive." For you, it might just be a bit of negative emotion. It may not be for others.

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I would categorize it as overly-sensitive. The disease takes out a family member and you are so overwrought by it you report someone...Anyone THAT sensitive to the word should seek counselling and probably not be playing video games where the objectives are usually based on mass killing.
You make it sound like reporting is a huge task that requires an essay and a petition. If that were the case, I would be more inclined to agree with your claim about over sensitivity. However, as of now, you're just not giving the benefit of the doubt.

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Actually, I misunderstood. I edited my reply above. I was talking in general terms of a T rating, not the reason GW specifically earned its rating. You are right, up until the post, I had only read the ESRB on the box and the general T rating (broad context) from the ESRB site.

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GW's rating? When did they start rating things? The ESRB rates games on content and I've posted it twice already...did YOU look it up?

EDIT: Sorry, misunderstood the statement...I was talking about ESRB rating in general to get a T rating, not what makes GW rated T...either way, my opinion that Bewbs is not "strong" language stands and that the general T rating should include alcohol and sexy underwear....maybe they would sell more games if they advertised it.
Guess what, GW's teen rating does refer to sexy underwear and alcohol: "Suggestive Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence." I think this point has justified ANet's position in having a clear conscience in forcing people to change names.

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He can't, they lopped of his head with it!
No...they...didn't.

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Actually, I firmly beleive that a name is a name and no matter its origin, should not be changed because someone else sees it as unsuitable. I had to bite back a laugh when a tsunami hit Phuc...not because of the tragedy, but at the news casters falling all over themselves trying to avoid saying "the F word" which they would not have been doing.
The one nice thing about language is that it evolves. Words lose and gain meaning all the time. I sympathize with your position, but I do not agree with it. What if you're parents are cruel and named you "Accident?"

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The MPAA, by the way, is a notoriously secretive, unreliable institution that does whatever they feel like with little to no actual oversite. I have very little respect for their beliefs and/or opinions, but that is another conversation all together.
I was citing it as a perfectly reasonable word that was considered inappropriate. The MPAA was one who thought so, as did the producers.

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Enjoying the debate BTW...always nice to have someone you disagree with willing td do it with civillity.
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It was the studio that thought it was too vulgar. Not the MPAA.
Try again dear.

Even so, point is someone thought a perfectly legitimate word could be inappropriate.

Sora267

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Did you even read the information in the website you linked to? The person you quoted quoted something from the link you posted, which you then said was false while linking to a website which confirms what they said was true....

Taisayacho

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Way back when, in the only-proph days, my friend got a 24 hour for the name "Sexy Fish" or something similar.

Personette

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
I was citing it as a perfectly reasonable word that was considered inappropriate. The MPAA was one who thought so, as did the producers.

Try again dear.

Even so, point is someone thought a perfectly legitimate word could be inappropriate.
No, sweetie, you try again.

There are two comments about the TITLE of the film - one from the studio, the other from the producers which reads exactly as you suggested:

The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker".

Again: the title is a different matter than the actual content, because people of all ages are exposed to it. It implies a different set of standards - a much more restrictive one.

This does not read "The MPAA objected to repeated, inane exploitation of the name Focker for cheap laughs".

It does not read, "The MPAA considered the name Focker to be the equivalent of the expletive for which it is a homonym" - if they had considered the two equivalent, more than one use of the name would have meant an R rating. Instead, they get to use the word dozens of times.

Instead of falling under the category of "strong language", Meet the Fockers is written up for "crude humor." Crude humor is apparently considered appropriate for teens, even in excruciatingly large doses. The ESRB considers "crude humor" appropriate for ages 10+.

Glib

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Originally Posted by Personette
Instead of falling under the category of "strong language", Meet the Fockers is written up for "crude humor." Crude humor is apparently considered appropriate for teens, even in excruciatingly large doses. The ESRB considers "crude humor" appropriate for ages 10+.
Where is the line between strong language and crude humor? Many of the banned names fit into the crude humor category, not strong language. Luv Fish Tacos, for example, expresses a fondness of an item served on many a menu across the West Coast gets banned because as a female elementalist it becomes "vulgar" but is it strong language? Can the reporter prove intent at crudeness or did their mind just go there while the namer just loves the food (personally I find them tasty). No F-word, no violence no abuse...and yet, bye-bye name.

There are tons of euphemisms for body parts...many meant to take the "edge" off of saying penis, vagina, rectum or breast...Kids are encouraged to say pee-pee, dinky, winky, hoo-hoo, boobies, poop, bungus and the like instead of more vulgar terms, yet these same words are banned in a T rated game when crude humor is considered part of the general atmosphere expected to be found in games of this rating.

While I agree that naming a character something this stupid imay be a bad idea, I don't think it should be bannable. Finding offense and reporting it is just another way for people to exert control over others in a non-confrontational way and feel as if they mad a difference in the world. Which they have not...it is not even a real world, it is anonymous and therefor will always breed stupidity...even in the minds of otherwise reasonable folks.

I guess it bugs me that it is so easy to wander away and never see another character in the game...How many times are you really going to see the toon you are reporting? A single time...twice...three times? A case made for harrassment usually takes several instances, yet if I don't like the word "Bewbs" I can report it on a single sighting because I don't think it's right in a game that is clearly rated to have potential for "crude humor"...how does this make sense?

To me, that just gives the overly sensitive (read: whiners) too much control over others who are not neccissarily doing anything wrong, given a reasonable interpretation of the rating.

Fug the Unwashed

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Maybe instead of punishing players for innocuos names through a three day ban, it would be more fair to have them have to change the name at login to play. I mean, if a reasonable person thinks the name Mmmmm Boobs fits a teen rating, given that "crude humor" may be expected, why not give ppl the chance to make the "correction" without the temp ban which may not actually be deserved? Not punishment for honest mistakes...yeah, only a rebel retard would pick that name, but if it's up for interpretation, should gray area names have the same penalty as obvious Phuh Queue type names?

EchoMoon

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My "BF" recently just got suspended..for 72 hrs. for one of his toons being named " Pecker Checker ". (( He just played under my account during that time. )) We both feel...if you don't like someone's name...then "Don't look at it!!!

guevera verreuil

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also...teens these days...different from when i was a teenager.

i had an ele with the name bouncy b oo bs that got banned. i didn't think that was fair, but then again, what is in life? what's more ironic is that im a woman and i named the char based on the way it was animated. har har. i had it for 4 months before i had to delete her too. also, i registered on our alliance's vent with that name, people still call me boobs xD.

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Yeah that thing about Fish Tacos...uhh Anet thinks having a quest called Sticky Situation with enemies callled Corsair Seamen is ANY WORSE than Fish Tacos? Which are a food? Come on Anet don't be stupid.

I think it's rare when someone gets offended by a name, they lie. Most people don't get offended at all, they use it if a person upsets them. Anet just assumes these people are getting offended. The name reporting is abused big time. Course you can say I'm assuming that they are not getting offended, which is true. But it's also a logical thought because we really just can't have that many people without a backbone playing this game.

Glib

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Originally Posted by thedarkmarine
It's not the words, but the semantics, the intent behind the name. By your argument, you would not have a problem with your student saying, "Mr. Glib likes ass wholes," and using your position on animal cruelty as a defense.
Actually, I would have no problem with "asps whole" or "asp holes" but they are not allowed to say "ass" unless directly referring to the animal in correct context. If they described me as being assinine while not agreeing with my opinion or because I was behaving stubbornly, again: no problem. While the sound is similar in asp holes, I think of it as a vipers' nest, which I would have to say, describes this thread rather well. As for liking actual assholes, maybe Fug (love the avatar).

MrTickle

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I've never been banned yet but I'm worried about my monk 'Sum Yung Tart' which I've played through all 4 campaigns and is nearly 2 years old.

Do they delete the char or do you just get to rename them? She has loads of armour & greens and used mainly as a mule or farming.

Can you request a name change?

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Join Date: Jan 2008

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To all of you complaining about the "integrity" of the game (large breasts, alcohol consumption, etc.), how do you think it would be if they let all the names like Dildo Wielder and Beeg Bewbs Mcgee stay in the game?
Seriously? It wouldn't worry me in the slightest.

1. Get a sense of humour!
2. Get a life! You really take the time to report people for, in your definition, are inappropriate names?
3. Prudes like you need to take up old school board games, the online world is not for your delicate sensibilities.
4. lmfao....

Personette

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Originally Posted by Glib
Where is the line between strong language and crude humor? Many of the banned names fit into the crude humor category, not strong language. Luv Fish Tacos, for example, expresses a fondness of an item served on many a menu across the West Coast gets banned because as a female elementalist it becomes "vulgar" but is it strong language? Can the reporter prove intent at crudeness or did their mind just go there while the namer just loves the food (personally I find them tasty). No F-word, no violence no abuse...and yet, bye-bye name.
That's a good question - I'd like to see a more comprehensive answer from an official source. It seems to me that with something like "Focker" the difference is negligable.

It sounds like you may have gone to see that documentary, This Film is Not Yet Rated? It had some really interesting points about the MPAA discriminating against scenes depicting, in particular, female pleasure.

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Originally Posted by Glib
Kids are encouraged to say pee-pee, dinky, winky, hoo-hoo, boobies, poop, bungus and the like instead of more vulgar terms, yet these same words are banned in a T rated game when crude humor is considered part of the general atmosphere expected to be found in games of this rating.
I guess these people are really being punished for being obvious. The truth is that you can get away with expressing almost any sentiment, no matter how foul, if you were a bit more subtle about it.

thedarkmarine

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Originally Posted by Personette
It was the studio that thought it was too vulgar. Not the MPAA. And someone thought Fokker was less offensive than Focker? But the homonym is exactly the same.
From imdb:

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The MPAA would not allow the movie to use the title unless they found a family with the name "Focker".
Er...

And Sora of the Divine, you totally read those posts out of context. You could try again too.

I'll get back to you Glib in a bit. Want to quickly address these asps before I have to go again.

Evaine

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Have I ever had a character's name banned? No way. I personally don’t want characters with embarrassing names. That’s my preference though.

I think some players come up with salacious names to attract attention to themselves and/or to see how far they can go before they do get banned.

ectos taste nasty

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lol, just another ****storm

thedarkmarine

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Originally Posted by Glib
There are tons of euphemisms for body parts...many meant to take the "edge" off of saying penis, vagina, rectum or breast...Kids are encouraged to say pee-pee, dinky, winky, hoo-hoo, boobies, poop, bungus and the like instead of more vulgar terms, yet these same words are banned in a T rated game when crude humor is considered part of the general atmosphere expected to be found in games of this rating.
However, at the end of the day, ANet chooses not to include such words in their T rated game. That's what it all comes down to.

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While I agree that naming a character something this stupid imay be a bad idea, I don't think it should be bannable. Finding offense and reporting it is just another way for people to exert control over others in a non-confrontational way and feel as if they mad a difference in the world. Which they have not...it is not even a real world, it is anonymous and therefor will always breed stupidity...even in the minds of otherwise reasonable folks.
Another difference of opinion. It is quite clear that a many of these stupid character names (not all) violates the eula. ANet could ban you forever, but they choose to give you a second chance after a small amount of time off. In addition, not all name change orders are preceded by a ban, as such is the Ebola case.

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I guess it bugs me that it is so easy to wander away and never see another character in the game...How many times are you really going to see the toon you are reporting? A single time...twice...three times? A case made for harrassment usually takes several instances, yet if I don't like the word "Bewbs" I can report it on a single sighting because I don't think it's right in a game that is clearly rated to have potential for "crude humor"...how does this make sense?
So, it boils down to, you think GW has this structural problem, and people should learn to live with it. I think that GW has this minor problem, and its a good thing for that general population can aide in reducing the problem.

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To me, that just gives the overly sensitive (read: whiners) too much control over others who are not neccissarily doing anything wrong, given a reasonable interpretation of the rating.
They have no control though! It's ANet that has control! Those people can just express opinions, and if they echo those of ANet, then ANet would do what they would've done anyways if they knew about it.

The irony is that the threads of the current topic are usually made by whiners from the other camp; the ones who are oversensitive about their right to absolute freedom.

Also, if there is no report system, then what about those names that are clear vulgar, even by your standards? What stops those from running wild?

I Is Special

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The irony is that the threads of the current topic are usually made by whiners from the other camp; the ones who are oversensitive about their right to absolute freedom.
I find this to be insulting. I will not report your post.

thedarkmarine

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Na, I wasn't referring to you. You're special. :P