3-Necro HM Build

@infamous-I'd keep [Splinter Weapon] but I agree about dropping [Weaken Armor] since there is no point to it. Well, I thought that since enemies in HM have higher armor, cracked armor would help me tear them apart easier.

Well, I thought that since enemies in HM have higher armor, cracked armor would help me tear them apart easier. Trust me, you will be fine without it.

in sab, i dont have many conditions besides the ones the minion bomber applys, discord is a different story...

btw you should try [discord] with 1 roj smiter instead of the other nec.

Discordway is better than Sabway? It's more preference, but people say discord is better for caster professions.

Discord and 1 roj could be very good, all ARMOR IGNORING damage which is awesome in hm.

It's more preference, but people say discord is better for caster professions.

Discord and 1 roj could be very good, all ARMOR IGNORING damage which is awesome in hm. Discord doesn't synergize with RoJ since RoJ is not a hex and its burning is too short to support discord.

Sabway can work with RoJ better since its elite skills are not that crucial to the team build as discord obviously is, to discordway.

Discordway is better than Sabway? Discordway is much much less enjoyable.
You need a hex and condition to put on an enemy. So most people use [Assassins Promise] and [You Move Like a Dwarf!]. That takes up your elite and 1 other skill slot. So you don't get to run a build of your choosing. So for Discordway. You pretty much change your build to match your heroes instead of the other way around.

Discordway is much much less enjoyable.
You need a hex and condition to put on an enemy. So most people use [Assassins Promise] and [You Move Like a Dwarf!]. That takes up your elite and 1 other skill slot. So you don't get to run a build of your choosing. So for Discordway. You pretty much change your build to match your heroes instead of the other way around. Doesn't sound very intriguing. As a melee profession, I'll stick with Sabway.

Discordway is much much less enjoyable.
You need a hex and condition to put on an enemy. So most people use [Assassins Promise] and [You Move Like a Dwarf!]. That takes up your elite and 1 other skill slot. So you don't get to run a build of your choosing. So for Discordway. You pretty much change your build to match your heroes instead of the other way around. If you follow the pvx version of discordway to the letter, then yes you need to bring AP. That version is more suitable for a caster anyway.

You can also build a version of discordway that would work with melee, without using AP, as long as you know how to call.

i think the mm is just too energy heavy...even for soul reaping, olias cant manage prots and minions. what i am doing wrong? post up the build and attributes you are using

and if he has a staff or wand and offhand for the right attribute for the energy bonus and such.

olias build:

[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+1 sou=9+1 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Fiend][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

Equipment:

40/40 death set
survivor Insignia on every slot

[Animate Bone Fiend] kills his e-management, he just able to have 7-8 minions over time and cant use prots often.
I used the pvxwiki build before:

[build prof=N/Mo death=12 sou=9 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][No Skill][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

they changed it into the original build from this thread...so i tried it and it doesnt work very well. Animate Bone Fiends is energy intensive but it is not that bad provided you are killing fast enough for SR and SoLS to take effect. Make sure that you are targeting the healers first and you are using a strong build for your character. If you are still having energy problems, then switch the fiends out for bone horrors.

Bone minions is good for minion bombing (that is why Sab left it there as a variant), but they dont last long against AoE damage.

olias build:

[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+1 sou=9+1 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Fiend][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

Equipment:

40/40 death set
survivor Insignia on every slot

[Animate Bone Fiend] kills his e-management, he just able to have 7-8 minions over time and cant use prots often.
I used the pvxwiki build before:

[build prof=N/Mo death=12 sou=9 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][No Skill][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

they changed it into the original build from this thread...so i tried it and it doesnt work very well. Also if you are H/H take Eve/Claude/random Nec mana battery, their Blood Ritual skill is very spammable . Being a Nec themselves with getting Soul Reaping they can also spam their 10e spells without going dry. Taking Mana Battery Nec has enabled me to use just Livia as a healer in 8 man because she never ever runs out of energy

With Soul Reaping and Eve mana pumping Olias he can easily replace his Fiends even in the thick of batlle.

I usually go.

Master C
Olias MM
Livia healer
Eve
Herta
Odurra
Devona ( cause I like when she attaks things on the other side of the map )

Edit:

Hrm I just had a thought, going to give my Master of Whispers (curse ) a level 0 Blood Ritual since its base duration is 8 seconds ( replacing Rip Enchantment ), this way I can get my mana battery for Olias’s Fiends and can replace Eve and see how well the group does.

olias build:

[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+1 sou=9+1 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Fiend][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

Equipment:

40/40 death set
survivor Insignia on every slot

[Animate Bone Fiend] kills his e-management, he just able to have 7-8 minions over time and cant use prots often.
I used the pvxwiki build before:

[build prof=N/Mo death=12 sou=9 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][No Skill][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

they changed it into the original build from this thread...so i tried it and it doesnt work very well.

The problem is that [animate shambling horror] and [animate bone fiend] don't sync with [jagged bones] nearly as well as the original [animate bone minions] does. They just take up slots.

What was it about the original MM build that didn't work for you? It's a whole lot better than what you're using now. Your build suggests to me that you don't really understand how the Sabway MM works. The point is that he's a minion BOMBER. That means you want fast cheap minions who keep replenishing themselves with [jagged bones].

Also, I'm not convinced that Survivor on all pieces of armor makes that much sense for a hero. That's a PvP thing. One Survivor is OK, but then you need a Bloodstained, then probably also want a Radiant on his legs, and Tormentor's usually works well in PvE for the other armor pieces. The problem I find with [animate shambling horror] and [animate bone fiend] is he cant replace is losses fast enough in a big fight, even with [jagged bones]. The 25 Second delay or 25e cost is a hindrance to effective bombing in combat , maybe something like this [aura of the lich] toggled off so you can hit it in the middle to get an instant 5+ minions?

The problem I find with [animate shambling horror] and [animate bone fiend] is he cant replace is losses fast enough in a big fight, even with [jagged bones]. The 25 Second delay or 25e cost is a hindrance to effective bombing in combat , maybe something like this [aura of the lich] toggled off so you can hit it in the middle to get an instant 5+ minions? Lol, [aura of the lich] is what I started using the past few days after having problems with jagged. It's funny cuz I don't do much experimenting on the rare occasions that I play, but I switched to see if I could get it going faster in FoW. 2 corpses and I'm up and running.

The problem I find with [animate shambling horror] and [animate bone fiend] is he cant replace is losses fast enough in a big fight, even with [jagged bones]. The 25 Second delay or 25e cost is a hindrance to effective bombing in combat , Both fiends and shamblings are not meant for bombing. Fiends are fast attack minions, staying well behind the front lines and costs an expensive 25e each, do you really think they are meant for bombing?

Shamblings has a long 25s recharge. Certainly not meant to be a reliable skill to generate minions for bombing on its own.

If you want to bomb, use bone minions.

Is it possible to play 3 necro team with rit as main character and what rit build would have to be used? What about henchmen? player build doesnt really matter, you can play SS scythe for big dommage if you want. :P

henchies are usually two monks and two random non-melee ones (guardian henchies are an exception), in NF also take the mes as standard, SS+VoR ftw.

Hello,
i have a question, too. Livia plays my N/Rt Healer with the standart Build or I change WoR against Xinraes Weapon. If the fight is very long or my group gets a lot of Dmg, we often die, because there isn't enough heal. mehnlo is my 2nd monk and all the other builds are the same.
Can you help me pls? help you hack the game so your heroes no longer run out of energy?

answer is no

I'm afraid you have to wait till anet gives even more god mode to pve side "balance".

Hello,
i have a question, too. Livia plays my N/Rt Healer with the standart Build or I change WoR against Xinraes Weapon. If the fight is very long or my group gets a lot of Dmg, we often die, because there isn't enough heal. mehnlo is my 2nd monk and all the other builds are the same.
Can you help me pls? 1. Try with the protection hench instead of Mhenlo. Stuff like Protective Spirit and Shield of Absorption will negate a lot of damage, thus removing the need for massive heals.
2. Make sure you don't fight more than one group at a time.
3. Make sure the other builds focus on damage. A lot of times people take hench or run builds that do not do enough damage, resulting in wipes because one is just unable to kill the foes.
4. Sometimes things just go wrong and you die. It doesn't sound like that happens very often to you, so no worries.

If the fight is very long or my group gets a lot of Dmg, we often die, because there isn't enough heal. mehnlo is my 2nd monk and all the other builds are the same.
Can you help me pls?