3-Necro HM Build
infameGW
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Originally Posted by SilvanNosty
I've only got Olias :X. I'm currently working on getting Whispers, and then Livia. Anyway, I went Skill Hunting and got most the Skills I need. I just have no idea what those Weapons are that Sab mentioned.
Any help on that? I just got a blood and curses staff, your resto nec doesn't really need one because he/she will be holding ashes most of the time...
Any help on that? I just got a blood and curses staff, your resto nec doesn't really need one because he/she will be holding ashes most of the time...
brakner
What Elite should I use on my ( n/rt ) healer? I find that with her existing healing spells and Dwayna's Sorrow on the MM I have more than enough healing. Also, since she is spamming Weapon of Warding I do not want her to overwrite it with Weapon of Remedy at always the wrong time.
I could go Offering of Spirit but I find she is kind of stuipd when it comes to using it and N/x really don't have energy issues anyway. Preservation is fun when in 4 man but 8 man it sort of bites for targeting the correct person. Leaves something like Icy Viens, I prefer not to have my healer on Defensive though...
Any ideas?
I could go Offering of Spirit but I find she is kind of stuipd when it comes to using it and N/x really don't have energy issues anyway. Preservation is fun when in 4 man but 8 man it sort of bites for targeting the correct person. Leaves something like Icy Viens, I prefer not to have my healer on Defensive though...
Any ideas?
Larcen
I use the following build, 14 SR and 12 Restoration, all health runes with Oola's staff without ever an issue. Even when there is no minions dieing.
[Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend body and soul][Spirit Light][Life][Foul Feast][Flesh of my flesh][Signet of Lost Souls] Or [Wielders Boon]
[Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend body and soul][Spirit Light][Life][Foul Feast][Flesh of my flesh][Signet of Lost Souls] Or [Wielders Boon]
infamous16
flyhigh
hi all
in hm using the three necro build i having a problem
the place is the alkali pan south of ruins of morah
its at the worm portol i know holy damage helps but i fight with heros and henches ,
they are murdering my team in seconds what am i doing wrong?
its the only place so far im looking for human help
thanks
in hm using the three necro build i having a problem
the place is the alkali pan south of ruins of morah
its at the worm portol i know holy damage helps but i fight with heros and henches ,
they are murdering my team in seconds what am i doing wrong?
its the only place so far im looking for human help
thanks
wiz12268
Haven't tested it enough but does having the soul reaping on your healer hero outwiegh just using a ritual primary healer? Because you only get the energy boost 3 times every 15 seconds from soul reaping. And since they are holding an item 80% of the time their energy pool is already low unless you use attument runes, or throw on a couple radiant runes to get 2 or 3 more energy instead of 10-15 more hitpoints. So is getting 12 points of energy per kill going to waste sometimes?
Granted going from 12 to 14 (or more if you use something other than a minor rune) in resto isn't a huge jump in healing but is the energy conservation really that necesary? But then again I usually have eve also and she spams blood ritual nicely.
But would be interested to see if anyone has tried it with 2 necros and a rit in place of the helaer necro.
Granted going from 12 to 14 (or more if you use something other than a minor rune) in resto isn't a huge jump in healing but is the energy conservation really that necesary? But then again I usually have eve also and she spams blood ritual nicely.
But would be interested to see if anyone has tried it with 2 necros and a rit in place of the helaer necro.
Jongal
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Originally Posted by wiz12268
Because you only get the energy boost 3 times every 15 seconds from soul reaping.
Are you serious?
Desmonthenes
If I only have access to 2/3 of the necros (comp problems, EotN won't load) which of the builds should I use? I've been using the SS and MM, replacing the restorer with a tease hero.
Thanks
Thanks
infamous16
iVendetta
Is this viable with only 2 Necromancer heroes and one Ritualist? I only have Master of Whispers, Olias, and Razah. No Livia. );
infamous16
Paul Dawg
Umm...what? I use [splinter weapon] on my resto and it's devastating. It hardly gimps her bar or atts. I put 10 in channeling, 8+1+1 in soul reaping, and 12 in restoration magic. What's not to like?
I agree with all your other comments though.
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
I agree with all your other comments though.
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Also, nobody uses splinter on their n/rt it gimps your bar and atts too much just get your SS to cast it.
Super Igor
Yea but I mean if you want [ancestor's rage], [splinter weapon] and goodies why gimp your bar so much it can even accomodate an elite or a party wide heal right?
Leave resto to do Resto put AR/SW on the SS or MM you get more effectiveness out of your heroes this way.
Leave resto to do Resto put AR/SW on the SS or MM you get more effectiveness out of your heroes this way.
Paul Dawg
Absolutely right. If we're talking about skills that gimp a Sabway bar, [ancestor's rage] is definitely one of them. It's much weaker on primary necroes than on primary rits, and in any case the damage isn't armor-ignoring, so in HM it kinda fizzles. It's worth putting 10 points into channeling just for [splinter weapon]. Leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by Daesu
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It is not worth taking [ancestor's rage] at only level 10 channeling.
It doesn't really matter if you put it on the SS or the restore necro since the only skill from channeling in sabway is SW.
It doesn't really matter if you put it on the SS or the restore necro since the only skill from channeling in sabway is SW.
Rhamia Darigaz
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Daesu
It is not worth taking [ancestor's rage] at only level 10 channeling.
It doesn't really matter if you put it on the SS or the restore necro since the only skill from channeling in sabway is SW. Daesu, why do you always try to de-rail every discussion with an irrelevant argument?
That guy was killing his resto bar with [ancestor's rage],[splinter weapon] so I refer to both of those skills while explaining why it isn't worth it to kill his resto bar with them. [ancestor's [email protected]] being a waste unless you have plenty of spare free skill slots to fill is another story. :P
Also stop talking crap, it does matter where you have splinter on SS or Resto. If SS casts splinter your resto can take [weapon of warding] put more attributes in SR. 13 SR > 9 SR, more damage mitigation is also good.
It doesn't really matter if you put it on the SS or the restore necro since the only skill from channeling in sabway is SW. Daesu, why do you always try to de-rail every discussion with an irrelevant argument?
That guy was killing his resto bar with [ancestor's rage],[splinter weapon] so I refer to both of those skills while explaining why it isn't worth it to kill his resto bar with them. [ancestor's [email protected]] being a waste unless you have plenty of spare free skill slots to fill is another story. :P
Also stop talking crap, it does matter where you have splinter on SS or Resto. If SS casts splinter your resto can take [weapon of warding] put more attributes in SR. 13 SR > 9 SR, more damage mitigation is also good.
brakner
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
Daesu, why do you always try to de-rail every discussion with an irrelevant argument?
That guy was killing his resto bar with [ancestor's rage],[splinter weapon] so I refer to both of those skills while explaining why it isn't worth it to kill his resto bar with them. [ancestor's [email protected]] being a waste unless you have plenty of spare free skill slots to fill is another story. :P
Also stop talking crap, it does matter where you have splinter on SS or Resto. If SS casts splinter your resto can take [weapon of warding] put more attributes in SR. 13 SR > 9 SR, more damage mitigation is also good. All I gave up for a second copy of splinter was a second copy of Foul Feast since my MM has it anyway.
While I can sort of understand all the [ancestor's rage] hate, why is it considered gimping your reso bar by dropping your Soul Reaping by 4 and gaining an additional level 10 [splinter weapon] for all your range minions?
If you and all your Bone Fiends are putting out X more damage from 2x [splinter weapon], then its safe to assume things will die faster and you will need less healing. Kill faster > over healing ( its the old proactive - reactive debate )
With 2 Nec’s spamming [splinter weapon] on me (ranger), and most Fiends in the group I have notice a large damage increase and have never seen my N/RT healer run out of energy even in HM dungeons.
Like I said IMHO
That guy was killing his resto bar with [ancestor's rage],[splinter weapon] so I refer to both of those skills while explaining why it isn't worth it to kill his resto bar with them. [ancestor's [email protected]] being a waste unless you have plenty of spare free skill slots to fill is another story. :P
Also stop talking crap, it does matter where you have splinter on SS or Resto. If SS casts splinter your resto can take [weapon of warding] put more attributes in SR. 13 SR > 9 SR, more damage mitigation is also good. All I gave up for a second copy of splinter was a second copy of Foul Feast since my MM has it anyway.
While I can sort of understand all the [ancestor's rage] hate, why is it considered gimping your reso bar by dropping your Soul Reaping by 4 and gaining an additional level 10 [splinter weapon] for all your range minions?
If you and all your Bone Fiends are putting out X more damage from 2x [splinter weapon], then its safe to assume things will die faster and you will need less healing. Kill faster > over healing ( its the old proactive - reactive debate )
With 2 Nec’s spamming [splinter weapon] on me (ranger), and most Fiends in the group I have notice a large damage increase and have never seen my N/RT healer run out of energy even in HM dungeons.
Like I said IMHO
Paul Dawg
Well, whichever hero takes [splinter weapon] is going to have to sacrifice attribute points somewhere else in order to put 10 in channeling. That basically leaves you a choice of 8+1+1 SR if it's the resto, or 8+1 if it's the SS (since you'd certainly want 12+1+1 curses on that guy). I'm really not seeing a tremendous difference there.
Some people put [splinter weapon] on BOTH the resto and the SS, though I don't do that.
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
Some people put [splinter weapon] on BOTH the resto and the SS, though I don't do that.
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Also stop talking crap, it does matter where you have splinter on SS or Resto. If SS casts splinter your resto can take [weapon of warding] put more attributes in SR. 13 SR > 9 SR, more damage mitigation is also good.
Super Igor
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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg
Some people put [splinter weapon] on BOTH the resto and the SS, though I don't do that.
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Reading comprehension ftw huh? As I said in my last posts 2x [splinter weapon] is for me and the ranged minions in Sabs revised MM build. 1 x [splinter weapon] is not enough to keep 11 things enchanted. I guess your interweb hate made you skip that part.
I do know “wtf” I am talking about since I have completed all 4 games in NM and HM, we just happen to think differently. Me with an open mind and talking about new ideas even if they are wrong, you with your set opinions and talking down to people. What I was stating was opinions and not forcing it down the readers throats, I accept I was wrong with the ancestors rage.
See that’s what mature discussion is , you should try it some time.
Quote: Originally Posted by Sab
N/Rt Healer
[build prof=N/Rt sou=12+1+1 res=12][Weapon of Remedy][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Foul Feast][Death Pact Signet][/build]
Insignias: Tormenter's or Survivor's on all.
Equipment: 20/20 Resto wand, 20/20 Resto offhand.
Standard N/Rt Resto Healer, combining powerful bars-go-up with strong party healing, and the option to function as a hybrid heal/support character.
I sometimes replace WoR or Foul Feast with a second copy of Splinter (i.e. one here and one on the SS). On occasions where the hench Monks are adequate and I don't need a third healer, I run a Motigon or a Cruel Spear Paragon in place of this character.
Be sure not to overlap Foul Feast with the MM if you're running the second MM build. Oh and I guess Sab is wrong too...... Its all about you bud
[build prof=N/Rt sou=12+1+1 res=12][Weapon of Remedy][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Foul Feast][Death Pact Signet][/build]
Insignias: Tormenter's or Survivor's on all.
Equipment: 20/20 Resto wand, 20/20 Resto offhand.
Standard N/Rt Resto Healer, combining powerful bars-go-up with strong party healing, and the option to function as a hybrid heal/support character.
I sometimes replace WoR or Foul Feast with a second copy of Splinter (i.e. one here and one on the SS). On occasions where the hench Monks are adequate and I don't need a third healer, I run a Motigon or a Cruel Spear Paragon in place of this character.
Be sure not to overlap Foul Feast with the MM if you're running the second MM build. Oh and I guess Sab is wrong too...... Its all about you bud
brakner
This is basically what I run and have been running for months. They have done everything except HM SoO and Slavers. I use a modifed Rayway for SoO....still working on HM Slavers 
Curse
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 chan=10][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Weaken Armor][Mark of Pain][Rip Enchantment][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
Heals
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1+1 res=12 chan=10][Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Splinter Weapon][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
MM
[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Fiend][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
or
[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Infuse Condition][Foul Feast][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
Curse
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 chan=10][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Weaken Armor][Mark of Pain][Rip Enchantment][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
Heals
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1+1 res=12 chan=10][Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Splinter Weapon][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
MM
[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 pro=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Shambling Horror][Animate Bone Fiend][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
or
[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 hea=9][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Putrid Bile][Infuse Condition][Foul Feast][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
Paul Dawg
This is the base bar I use for my resto:
[xinrae's weapon][splinter weapon][weapon of warding][mend body and soul][spirit light][protective was kaolai][life][foul feast]
What can I say, it works. I've finished all HM in Guild Wars (every zone, every mission, every dungeon), and she rarely runs out of energy. She spams [foul feast] like a champ, and with 8+1+1 soul reaping she gets 2 energy for each condition removed.
Obviously there are two schools of thought here, and my point is that both are viable, not that one is necessarily better than the other. I can certainly understand why another player would rather put [splinter weapon] on the SS. But the first Sabway hero I'm going to swap out in a specialized zone is the SS, and I still want to retain [splinter weapon]. I almost never swap out the resto.
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Originally Posted by Super Igor
[xinrae's weapon][splinter weapon][weapon of warding][mend body and soul][spirit light][protective was kaolai][life][foul feast]
What can I say, it works. I've finished all HM in Guild Wars (every zone, every mission, every dungeon), and she rarely runs out of energy. She spams [foul feast] like a champ, and with 8+1+1 soul reaping she gets 2 energy for each condition removed.
Obviously there are two schools of thought here, and my point is that both are viable, not that one is necessarily better than the other. I can certainly understand why another player would rather put [splinter weapon] on the SS. But the first Sabway hero I'm going to swap out in a specialized zone is the SS, and I still want to retain [splinter weapon]. I almost never swap out the resto.
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Yea but since your resto is in much bigger need of energy compared to SS I would much rather have SS with splinter and resto with wow and more SR and as I said it frees up a skill slot on the resto.
iVendetta
infamous16
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Originally Posted by iVendetta
If I run Razah as a MM, I can't utilize [[Protective Spirit] or [[Aegis] into his bar. Should I run Dunkoro as a MM instead? I'm worried about the energy management on them though. ;/
have him maintain [boon of creation] and use [animate bone minions]
its basically two free minions with 16 spawning.
its basically two free minions with 16 spawning.
iVendetta
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Originally Posted by infamous16
have him maintain [boon of creation] and use [animate bone minions]
its basically two free minions with 16 spawning. Not as capable as Soul Reaping, but that should do. However, I want to utilize [[Protective Spirit] and [[Aegis] because there is no such thing as H/H without them.
its basically two free minions with 16 spawning. Not as capable as Soul Reaping, but that should do. However, I want to utilize [[Protective Spirit] and [[Aegis] because there is no such thing as H/H without them.
infamous16
iVendetta
I'm missing Livia; I do not own the Eye of the North expansion. I'm hoping to get it soon. In the meantime, I am trying to accommodate with the heroes I have.
I have Master of Whispers. I run him as the SS Curses Necro.
I have Olias. I run him as the N/Rt Restorer.
I have Razah. I'm trying to make him a Minion Bomber, but I also want [[Protective Spirit] and [[Aegis].
I have Master of Whispers. I run him as the SS Curses Necro.
I have Olias. I run him as the N/Rt Restorer.
I have Razah. I'm trying to make him a Minion Bomber, but I also want [[Protective Spirit] and [[Aegis].
infamous16
iVendetta
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Originally Posted by infamous16
what does your ss curses necros bar look like?
N/Rt Curses
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 cha=10 res=2][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Weaken Armor][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
I substituted [[Defile Defenses] for [[Weaken Armor] because I do not own EotN.
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 cha=10 res=2][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Weaken Armor][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
I substituted [[Defile Defenses] for [[Weaken Armor] because I do not own EotN.
infamous16
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Originally Posted by iVendetta
N/Rt Curses
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 cha=10 res=2][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Weaken Armor][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
I substituted [[Defile Defenses] for [[Weaken Armor] because I do not own EotN. I would drop [weaken armor] and [splinter weapon] for [aegis] and [protective spirit]
maybe even drop [rip enchantment] for [mark of pain]
and you can always bring [splinter weapon] on your healer or mm...but [mark of pain] is kinda a substitute.
[build prof=N/Rt sou=8+1 cur=12+1+1 cha=10 res=2][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Weaken Armor][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
I substituted [[Defile Defenses] for [[Weaken Armor] because I do not own EotN. I would drop [weaken armor] and [splinter weapon] for [aegis] and [protective spirit]
maybe even drop [rip enchantment] for [mark of pain]
and you can always bring [splinter weapon] on your healer or mm...but [mark of pain] is kinda a substitute.
talisk3
@infamous-I'd keep [Splinter Weapon] but I agree about dropping [Weaken Armor] since there is no point to it.