3-Necro HM Build

-Lotus-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

29 Aug 2008 at 03:32 - 321

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu_okunato

as long as one person/hero brings frozen soil you'll be ok orly?

tried forgewight with any sort of modified sabway? good luck

ryu_okunato

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2008

Legacy Of Angels [Halo]

W/P

29 Aug 2008 at 04:56 - 322

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Lotus-

orly?

tried forgewight with any sort of modified sabway? good luck if u bring pain inverter u can easily kill him

Washi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

29 Aug 2008 at 06:23 - 323

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Lotus-

sabway + henchies wont even make it through slaver's in NM. lol funneh. NM is a walk in a park. HM I had to experiment a little but I made it nonetheless.

-Lotus-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

29 Aug 2008 at 07:40 - 324

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryu_okunato

if u bring pain inverter u can easily kill him bossses are easy. the rest of that dungeon eats AI for breakfast.

Showtime

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

WTB Q9+5e Bows/Q8 14^50 Weapons

R/P

31 Aug 2008 at 02:04 - 325

I did all in normal except duncan with sabway and I think I did them with discord build too. Either bring a dedicated mm without discord or FS or both. I think I ran fireboss with and without winter. These, like the rest of the game, are all about setting up and how/where you pull.

This is what I run. Since it takes a while to set up between fights I can still usually get ursan up before anything bad happens.

Ranger ursan with serpents and support skills
MM or MM with Discord (micromanged at times)
Nec Sab or Discord
Nec Sab or Discord
Nuker
Monk
Monk
Ranger or nec depending... (necro conditions for discord build/ranger interrupts)

Tuesday

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2008

Generation Of Legends [EviL]

Mo/

06 Sep 2008 at 18:00 - 326

I like the older one but this is a bit different. I'll have to give it a go.

XkristoferX

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Nashville, TN

Order of the Crimson Phoenix

Mo/

13 Sep 2008 at 22:48 - 327

Quote:

Originally Posted by aleaf92

I am pretty sure that heroes don't even use [spirit light weapon] successfully. Heroes just do not use weapon spells correct. my main character i play is a monk and i ALWAYS get splinter weapon over my para hero(es).

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Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

14 Sep 2008 at 01:09 - 328

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Those builds are just the template strings so they are base attributes. The runes should be easy to figure out.

Actually now I am using this for some of my physical characters:

[build prof=Ne/Ri name="Discord Disease Life" Sou=8+1 Dea=10+1+1 Res=12][Discord][Rotting Flesh][Protective Was Kaolai][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Foul Feast][Life][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build prof=Ne/Mo name="Discord MM Protect" Sou=8+1 Dea=12+3+1 Hea=5 Pro=9][Discord][Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Signet of Lost Souls][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Dwaynas Sorrow][Vengeance][/build]
[build prof=Ne/Ri name="Discord Curse Splinter" Sou=8+1 Cur=8+1 Dea=10+1+1 Cha=10 Res=2][Discord][Barbs][Shadow of Fear][Enfeebling Blood][Rip Enchantment][Defile Defenses][Splinter Weapon][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
On this Discord team would it not still better to give them MM Jagged Bones in order to cause a bleeding "condition" which is needed for Discord to work and trigger its cast more often from the other two with it?

-Lotus-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

14 Sep 2008 at 02:58 - 329

Quote:

Originally Posted by XkristoferX

Heroes just do not use weapon spells correct. my main character i play is a monk and i ALWAYS get splinter weapon over my para hero(es). stop wanding.

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beserk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

14 Sep 2008 at 19:10 - 330

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt

On this Discord team would it not still better to give them MM Jagged Bones in order to cause a bleeding "condition" which is needed for Discord to work and trigger its cast more often from the other two with it? He just took the sabway build and replaced all the elites with discord and poof 'OMFG DISCORDWAYZ' not much thought used there, also the n/rt has 5 diff attribs? LOL! and the n/mo has 4 =/ BAD BAD BAD.

VisciousHabits

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2008

Brutal Barbarians

15 Sep 2008 at 12:11 - 331

I was just messing around with the bars and found a pretty good variant for NM since in NM the reduced attack speed minimizes the damage from [Spiteful Spirit]. I also increased the damage output by slotting [Icy Veins] so the build could compete with the damage output of [Searing Flames] spammers in NM. I also got rid of [protective spirit] because in NM most enemies dont hit that hard with a few exceptions. Changed curses necro elite to corrupt enchantment which makes bars go down rather quickly because of the lower enemy health. besides enchant stripping is never bad and its a bonus that doing so inflicts a very high amount of degen. ^_^

[build prof=N/Rt name="Curses Nec" box soulreaping=8+1 curses=12+1+2 channeling=10][death pact signet][corrupt enchantment][splinter weapon][shadow of fear][barbs][defile defenses][enfeebling blood][signet of lost souls][/build]
[build prof=n/mo name="Bomber Nec" box deathmagic=12+1+3 soulreaping=9+1 protectionprayers=9][aegis][convert hexes][putrid bile][animate bone fiend][animate shambling horro][death nova][jagged bones][signet of lost souls][/build]
[build prof=n/rt name="Icy Healer" box soulreaping=12+1+1 restorationmagic=12][death pact signet][foul feast][icy veins][life][mend body and soul][spirit light][protective was kaolai][signet of lost souls][/build]

Feel free to point out anything that could make it better (even though i know most weren't gonna hesitate anyway).

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

15 Sep 2008 at 14:57 - 332

Quote:

Originally Posted by beserk

He just took the sabway build and replaced all the elites with discord and poof 'OMFG DISCORDWAYZ' not much thought used there, also the n/rt has 5 diff attribs? LOL! and the n/mo has 4 =/ BAD BAD BAD. You dont need high attributes for curses, their purpose is to support Discord. With Discord as your main damage skill, HM monsters die long before the hexes and conditions expire anyway. Sabway was created about 4 months ago, even before the Discord buff so it is alittle outdated, since Sab stopped updating the build.

@Cobalt: My current 6-heroes version has 3 healers, 2 MMs (1 Discord and 1 Jagged), and 1 divert hex/protection necro for places with lots of corpses. In places where MMs dont work well, I replace the minion supporting spells with wells and others. I find that I need at least 3 copies of Discord to work well, which is more important than the bleeding condition from jagged horrors. I cleared Slavers with my 6-heroes Discord (so I can bring 2 of my characters through Slavers at once) with some modifications. Bringing anti-burning and interrupts help with forgewight.

beserk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

15 Sep 2008 at 22:40 - 333

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

You dont need high attributes for curses, their purpose is to support Discord. With Discord as your main damage skill, HM monsters die long before the hexes and conditions expire anyway. Sabway was created about 4 months ago, even before the Discord buff so it is alittle outdated, since Sab stopped updating the build.

[Curses splinter;OAhjYkHsoO5BhWZY3ZHwYV1kL]

taking out [rip enchantment] for [mark of pain] (since im a warrior keep it if you cast or change it for something else).

[Healer; OAhjYghsoOWbMm0cyNMHnV1kL]
taking out [splinter weapon] for [weapon of warding]

Note: [weapon of remedy] seems to be used better by heros than [xinrae's weapon] just a thought...you could change it around.

[MM bomber; OANDUslfSLVVBoBJgYCBE1DVVA]

Note: if there is lack of corpses make this hero another SS.

And this my friend is why sab doesnt need to update his build, he gave us the foundations of sabway if you feel his build on the OP is oudated then update it yourself (like i did). Doesnt take much brains and this is alot more effective than your discord team build a few posts up with unneccsary amounts of attribs distributed.

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

15 Sep 2008 at 22:51 - 334

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

@Cobalt: My current 6-heroes version has 3 healers, 2 MMs (1 Discord and 1 Jagged), and 1 divert hex/protection necro for places with lots of corpses. In places where MMs dont work well, I replace the minion supporting spells with wells and others. I find that I need at least 3 copies of Discord to work well, which is more important than the bleeding condition from jagged horrors. I cleared Slavers with my 6-heroes Discord (so I can bring 2 of my characters through Slavers at once) with some modifications. Bringing anti-burning and interrupts help with forgewight. Interesting, are you doing Slavers in HM or normal, I have not tried it in HM yet with an H&H team.

I did make a test run today in "normal" mode with Discordway plus 2 healer henches, Devona to tank (good if you are low on minions) and Zho for interrupts. With some careful pulls I was able to clear to and kill Rend fairly easy with no deaths.

If I get second account so I can run six heroes, I was thinking Discordway plus two healers and a Beatmaster/interrupt ranger so the pet could tank which is needed when low on minions and the ranger can provide plenty of interrupts.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

16 Sep 2008 at 01:32 - 335

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt

If I get second account so I can run six heroes, I was thinking Discordway plus two healers and a Beatmaster/interrupt ranger so the pet could tank which is needed when low on minions and the ranger can provide plenty of interrupts. I dont bring MMs to Slavers, wells casting for corpse control is faster. Bringing an interrupt ranger as the player is a good idea although I dont really like pet builds ever since their corpses are not exploitable anymore.

@beserk: Sabway is still workable, just that there are more powerful alternatives now like Discordway. I use this sometimes on my casters along with Mhenlo and physical damage henchies. You get more healing and more total damage, thanks to Discord. Besides heroes dont cast SS or MoP very well. Heroes dont cast WoR very well either and it also overwrites your Splinter Weapon and Weapon of Warding (and the other way round). Life only lasts for 20s at most, which would impact your Spirit Light and MBaS when it dies. If it gets killed earlier, your healer has to make a significant health sac whenever she casts Spirit Light, before the skill recharges.

[N/Rt;OAhkUoG4BGqTMrMgIsD7uhp0kaD]
[N/Rt;OAhjUoGYITxMqBDTTOSTJgjTJXA]
[N/Mo;OANEUshd95EzqCohqa9IgY02JA]

Amy Awien

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

16 Sep 2008 at 09:32 - 336

Quote:

Originally Posted by XkristoferX

Heroes just do not use weapon spells correct. my main character i play is a monk and i ALWAYS get splinter weapon over my para hero(es). So what? It does it job regardless of which weapon it is cast on. What matters is if it's cast on a weapon that (a) is aimed at a foe with adjacent foes and (b) doesn't need another weapon spell.

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

17 Sep 2008 at 21:06 - 337

Quote:

Originally Posted by VisciousHabits

I also increased the damage output by slotting [Icy Veins] so the build could compete with the damage output of [Searing Flames] spammers in NM. Nice.

I've been using [icy veins] on my N/Rit for a while now as I'm not overly impressed with the elites on offer in the restoration line and Icy is the perfect finisher which my hero seems to use with near perfect timing while keeping the SR points up to be able to spam it in conjunction with heals.

Watching stuff go boom at the same time thanks to an icy spike is gravy.

Tried a Discord team but not a huge fan of the point spread and found it less effective overall in the 3 hero format.

Each to their own.

Paul Dawg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

House of Myrthe (HoMe)

18 Sep 2008 at 21:49 - 338

In NM, I hero-henched every level of Slavers' other than Duncan with Sabway. It was hard, but not impossible; in fact, I thought Shards of Orr was harder. I haven't done Slavers' in HM because it's pointless; Duncan's is the only level that you have to do in HM, and I accept that Duncan is impossible with Sabway.

Also, I didn't use [frozen soil], since that would have required a Ranger (obviously). Just patient pulling and lots of ["Save Yourselves!" (luxon)].

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Lotus-

orly?

tried forgewight with any sort of modified sabway? good luck

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

18 Sep 2008 at 21:55 - 339

You don't really need to use a Ranger, just get someone to go /R and spec about 3 into Wilderness for the spirit.

Paul Dawg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

House of Myrthe (HoMe)

18 Sep 2008 at 22:08 - 340

If you're hero-henching with Sabway, you can't "just get someone to go /R."

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

18 Sep 2008 at 22:11 - 341

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

Also, I didn't use [frozen soil], since that would have required a Ranger (obviously). Just patient pulling and lots of ["Save Yourselves!" (luxon)]. You dont need ["Save Yourselves!" (luxon)] or consummables to complete Slavers NM with heroes.

Just [frozen soil] on a /R to make it easier. Bring swap for Duncan.

Did it with Discordway.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

18 Sep 2008 at 22:11 - 342

Yes you can. Heroes can change secondaries. I'd just make bar space and attempt to fit it in. Shouldn't be hard at all.

Paul Dawg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

House of Myrthe (HoMe)

19 Sep 2008 at 01:14 - 343

Ummm, guys, what's the point? The point is that you can do Forgewight with Sabway--maybe you want to check the title of this thread, you know, just to remind yourselves--not whether you would prefer to do it with [frozen soil] on your bars.

Sometimes I think you all just want to argue.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

19 Sep 2008 at 01:36 - 344

Cobalt

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

20 Sep 2008 at 14:36 - 345

Using Discordway in HM; On the healer Nerco, Rotting flesh is a long cast and the healer Necro seems to both take some abuse while casting it and in the time it takes to cast it could fire off two of its other skills.

So I am wondering if Death Nova is stack-able? It is a shorter cast, I already have it on the MM and could put it on the healer in place of Rotting flesh and it will still cause a condition.

However if they don't stack and the healers cast could at times replace or be put in place of the MM's stronger cast version of it then is would not be good idea.

DarkSpirit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Redmond

20 Sep 2008 at 19:31 - 346

Death Nova is poison and Rotting Flesh is disease. They are different conditions. Disease spreads across the same species, so in this sense it is worth the longer casting time in my opinion, but only if you are not attacking non-fleshy creatures and non-humans.

fireflyry

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

New Zealand

A/D

21 Sep 2008 at 11:42 - 347

Or use Putrid Flesh on the bomber.

Luminarus

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2007

Sydney, Australia

Haze of Light [pure]

23 Sep 2008 at 06:02 - 348

Having used sabway, and varients of it to vanquish eotn and elona, still going in other areas, but it works nicely overall. However, I changed the N/Rt to a N/Mo because I personally am classist against resto rits ><.

Anywayz, figured id let others know the build I used:

[Icy Veins][Dwayna's Kiss][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Sorrow][Shield of Absorbtion][Foul Feast][Cure Hex][Restore Life]

I have 12 healing, enough prot for 5 seconds on soa and the rest in soul reaping. If I need more heals in an area I drop icy veins for WoH.

Theres better party heals due to dwaynas sorrow @ 12, when I aggro, i get prot spirit and soa which makes me essentially immune, and this has some hex control, coupled with a very nice heal.

Overall, i prefer this variant. I actually cant remember if i used restore or renew... i think it was restore.