Solo Shadowform Sin - Chaos Plains NM Farm
AceOfNoobs
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Originally Posted by Dylananimus
It's probably a GW Urban Myth then 
Still, I'll stick to my one by one way cos I know it personally gives me more stuff 
I'm a salvage junkie so the more junk I get to salvage the better 
Maybe it's just your luck, because the drops are already set as soon as you go into a zone.
Still, I'll stick to my one by one way cos I know it personally gives me more stuff I'm a salvage junkie so the more junk I get to salvage the better
Maybe it's just your luck, because the drops are already set as soon as you go into a zone.
Elite Bushido
sooo whats faster? the pheonix+ inferno or the vipers defense+lava font+ MoR????
blackknight1337
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Originally Posted by Elite Bushido
sooo whats faster? the pheonix+ inferno or the vipers defense+lava font+ MoR????
Neither is. Vipers defense is only there to kill attaxe with, everything else is immune to poison.
Fastest to my knowledge is Flame Djinns + Lava Font + MoR. You can consistently kill entire groups before any scatter if used right, though it wreaks havoc on your drops (aka don't be surprised with zero drops from 24 mindblades killed at once).
I used to take vipers to kill attaxe, but its faster to just kill grasps and run. Also, taking vipers pretty much requires you to use a cupcake. Cupcakes are well and good, but they screw up your first 8 min or so in plains with the speed boosts. Pulling the first 4 dryders at once is doable with them, but very annoying.
Fastest to my knowledge is Flame Djinns + Lava Font + MoR. You can consistently kill entire groups before any scatter if used right, though it wreaks havoc on your drops (aka don't be surprised with zero drops from 24 mindblades killed at once).
I used to take vipers to kill attaxe, but its faster to just kill grasps and run. Also, taking vipers pretty much requires you to use a cupcake. Cupcakes are well and good, but they screw up your first 8 min or so in plains with the speed boosts. Pulling the first 4 dryders at once is doable with them, but very annoying.
Eric Clapton
dream riders pull normally when you use a cupcake, its just the mindblades that don't, to counter that just run backwards and they will follow you.
blackknight1337
you can lose dreamriders pretty easily with a 25% boost when trying to pull them. Either way, flame djinns works better for me for the run, and for killing the riders faster.
ShadowsRequiem
Awesome, Just finished a run with MoR + Lava font and everything worked great. You can also easily solo the whole bone pits area too. (watch out for FoC if the minions go hostile)
Though using dash to get away from the charged blackness was a nail biter... Almost died cause I had to stop and cast shadow form but I should have timed it better.
You also don't need to have any radiant insignias on your armor, I did this with only 42 max energy. I also didnt use a 20/20 focus I used a +29/+1 20% which worked fine..... used a Major Shadow arts instead of sup and was able to keep up SF all the time with no problem.
axes are also killable. Pull them and all the grasps into the choke point behind the guy that gives you the clear the chamber quest. As long as you keep them near a wall they should die fairly fast.
Though using dash to get away from the charged blackness was a nail biter... Almost died cause I had to stop and cast shadow form but I should have timed it better.
You also don't need to have any radiant insignias on your armor, I did this with only 42 max energy. I also didnt use a 20/20 focus I used a +29/+1 20% which worked fine..... used a Major Shadow arts instead of sup and was able to keep up SF all the time with no problem.
axes are also killable. Pull them and all the grasps into the choke point behind the guy that gives you the clear the chamber quest. As long as you keep them near a wall they should die fairly fast.
Tyla
I don't really think MoR affects the run to be honest, because I found I cleared at practically the same speed.
Any other things I can use in place of it for moar speedz?
Oya, I also got a 6 Ecto 1 Ruby run. Obaby!
Any other things I can use in place of it for moar speedz?
Oya, I also got a 6 Ecto 1 Ruby run. Obaby!
blackknight1337
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Originally Posted by Tyla
I don't really think MoR affects the run to be honest, because I found I cleared at practically the same speed.
Any other things I can use in place of it for moar speedz?
Oya, I also got a 6 Ecto 1 Ruby run. Obaby! could probably try pheonix in that slot, would probably be about the same dps as mor, just all at once instead of spreading it out with burning...
if you aren't using flame djinn's already, that makes things faster as well.
my best run is 7 ecto i believe, consistently getting 4-6, with a gold or 2 every couple runs, and a passage scroll now and then.
Any other things I can use in place of it for moar speedz?
Oya, I also got a 6 Ecto 1 Ruby run. Obaby! could probably try pheonix in that slot, would probably be about the same dps as mor, just all at once instead of spreading it out with burning...
if you aren't using flame djinn's already, that makes things faster as well.
my best run is 7 ecto i believe, consistently getting 4-6, with a gold or 2 every couple runs, and a passage scroll now and then.
Ultimate Sacrifice
I guess it's luck of the draw, last 2 runs netted me 6 ecto and a Sapphire in the first, and 7 ecto in the second. Anyway great build although I prefer the Phoenix Varient, the Lava Font + MoR combo just causes them to scatter even if their right side is against a wall.
I've made around 30 ecto so far from this, I highly recommend giving this A/E build a shot and thanks again.
I've made around 30 ecto so far from this, I highly recommend giving this A/E build a shot and thanks again.
blurmedia
Decided to take a big dump on tombs and double fame and farmed 70 ectos in 2 days. lul
Nittle Grasper
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Originally Posted by Ultimate Sacrifice
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Originally Posted by Dylananimus
It's something I've noticed too...especially when farming for Glacial Stones.
If you take stuff out all at once you get less 'junk' drops and collectable drops. There doesn't seem to be much of a difference for the gold drop rate however. If things drop one after the other I tend to walk away with more. Don't know if anybody else has found this happening. loot scaling, killing stuff at once you get less normal drops, killing stuff one by one gets you more drops.However rare materials, (and several other items) ectos in this case, ignore this rule. But even then you also get less stuff everytime you enter an area. So him getting nothing probably means his farmed it 1000 times... kicks66
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Originally Posted by Nittle Grasper
same reason here, I got 9e on second run hehehe
loot scaling, killing stuff at once you get less normal drops, killing stuff one by one gets you more drops.However rare materials, (and several other items) ectos in this case, ignore this rule. But even then you also get less stuff everytime you enter an area. So him getting nothing probably means his farmed it 1000 times... Stop talking so matter-of-factly about this, everyone! Really There is no difference between killing all at once compared to singularly, a thread on guru recently PROVED this. Its just the usual human concept whereby we remember all the bad things and forget the good things. Its the same way people thing the anti farm code is still present So stop it. Stop ruining the thread with that sort of rubbish.
RotteN
finally got around to trying this today. First run got me 4 ecto and 1 sapphire in 29 minutes.
Can probably chip some time off with some experience. And swapping in flame djin's haste would help aswell. Bug John
viper's defense build is faster for aatxes and bone pits, cows and golems have high armor, poison + burning kills them faster, it's also faster for driders (fleshy creatures)
Originally Posted by kicks66
if you don't want to kill them, you can use flame djinn haste instead of viper's defense, although you don't need it to run to plains, and viper's defense can make you go through a bad behemot spawn blocking the door to mountains lava font will make some monsters scatter, it maybe be a little slower in the end... both builds are viable, you have to try to see which one gives you the best results Quote: Stop talking so matter-of-factly about this, everyone!
Really There is no difference between killing all at once compared to singularly, a thread on guru recently PROVED this. Its just the usual human concept whereby we remember all the bad things and forget the good things. Its the same way people thing the anti farm code is still present So stop it. Stop ruining the thread with that sort of rubbish. there IS a difference, but ectos are not concerned, like any non loot scaled drop, if you kill one by one, you'll get more gold / white items / blue items / collector items, but not more ectos / gold items / purple items, try by yourself, you'll see a clear difference between a run with sliver armor and a run with fire nukes
A Leprechaun
For the life of me I cannot do this run. I don't really know the route and I get killed by traps all the time. Is this just me, I am not new to farming but really can't get this to work, I must have spent 15K+ now on UW entrance but can't even just to the mindblades.
~A Leprechaun~
sLiceR
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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun
For the life of me I cannot do this run. I don't really know the route and I get killed by traps all the time. Is this just me, I am not new to farming but really can't get this to work, I must have spent 15K+ now on UW entrance but can't even just to the mindblades.
~A Leprechaun~ don't worry, it took me 10k to first complete the run (and I knew the route cause i used to duo chaos planes with a guildie). One problem I'm having is traps, I'm using the LavaFront+MoR build but changed Vipers Defence for Dash. I belive I read somewhere that you would not trigger traps if dashed on them, this does not seem to work for me tho..
kvndoom
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Originally Posted by sLiceR
don't worry, it took me 10k to first complete the run (and I knew the route cause i used to duo chaos planes with a guildie).
One problem I'm having is traps, I'm using the LavaFront+MoR build but changed Vipers Defence for Dash. I belive I read somewhere that you would not trigger traps if dashed on them, this does not seem to work for me tho.. It works. You have to get close enough that by the time your 3 seconds are up, you are well past the traps. And path yourself that you do not bump into anything or otherwise stop moving. Even turning too much can slow you down enough to spring a trap. On occasion a trap will hit its 90 second duration and auto-spring while you're running over it, but that's just random bad luck.
sLiceR
thanks kvndoom, I will practice after a run I guess. Do you think running by clicking with the mouse will help to avoid turning and loosing speed?
EDIT: Works for me with mouse clicking (just imagine an invisible line click and dash), hope it will be helpful for someone 
Chthon
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Originally Posted by kicks66
Stop talking so matter-of-factly about this, everyone!
Really There is no difference between killing all at once compared to singularly, a thread on guru recently PROVED this. You need to re-read that thread. It proved that there is in fact a very slight difference, presumably due to the loot scale implementation. It's credible to say that the difference is so small that you're better off just killing things all at once since it's much faster, but it's dead wrong to say that there's no difference at all. Nittle Grasper
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Originally Posted by Bug John
there IS a difference, but ectos are not concerned, like any non loot scaled drop, if you kill one by one, you'll get more gold / white items / blue items / collector items, but not more ectos / gold items / purple items, try by yourself, you'll see a clear difference between a run with sliver armor and a run with fire nukes ty for not failing http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Loot <read this plz Patsrule711
wow 4 ectos in about 30 min.=)
I was knocked down to 13 health by the charged darkness. I ran for my life lol.
Elite Bushido
one run i got 7 ecto, then 8, then i got 5 and a sapphire
with this build i made a vabby set in one day.....
thedragonpunisher
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Originally Posted by kvndoom
It works. You have to get close enough that by the time your 3 seconds are up, you are well past the traps. And path yourself that you do not bump into anything or otherwise stop moving. Even turning too much can slow you down enough to spring a trap. On occasion a trap will hit its 90 second duration and auto-spring while you're running over it, but that's just random bad luck.
How whould you run past these?
Jhadur
It may not look it but you should be able to Dash through the middle of them, I've done it on similar spawns.
Looking at it you may be able to make it round the right hand side too.
Sjeng
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Originally Posted by kvndoom
It works. You have to get close enough that by the time your 3 seconds are up, you are well past the traps. And path yourself that you do not bump into anything or otherwise stop moving. Even turning too much can slow you down enough to spring a trap. On occasion a trap will hit its 90 second duration and auto-spring while you're running over it, but that's just random bad luck.
Does this also work with Flame Djinn's Haste? I prefer a longer lasting running skill (that also does damage to boot).
And how do you see where the traps are anyway???
Lest121
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Originally Posted by thedragonpunisher
How whould you run past these?
Had the same spawn on Friday and said F it if i die oh well, but to my surprise u can actually run in the Middle, it has to be exactly middle because on that run i came back to kill Aatxe for ectos.
thedragonpunisher
Well i tried the middle... but i could not get through them and got blocked so i died. I guess its just a bad spawn that you can sometimes get.
eximiis
Spawn like happens all the time. When it happens i just go clear all Aatxe i can find and resign. i try to get the max of my 1k entry fee.
As for Dashing through it, i've tryed it many time and each time i got stuck and died
Con_Artist
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Originally Posted by thedragonpunisher
How whould you run past these?
Depending on what build you're using, you can try killing one of them for an opening. It's tricky when the behemoths use healing spring to heal themselves, but you can simply wand them to interrupt it. Learn the timing of their healing spring so you know when to interrupt. Just beware of whirling defense + healing spring.Now if you used that pic as an example, you can kill the leftmost behemoth by interrupting its healing spring and the healing spring of the behemoth adjacent to it (middle one). You can ignore the rightmost behemoth since its healing spring shouldn't reach & affect the leftmost behemoth. I normally run the MoR Lava Font variant of SF, so I just cast MoR and wand one of them to a fiery death. The A/Me variant might be able to kill these mons, but maintenance is going to be annoying with Nature's Renewal and a 4 second A.echo cast time.
Xx Devour Xx
Maybe not one of the best runs ecto-wise but maybe my most colourful run. Got 6 Ecto, 6 Golds, 2 Scrolls, 3 Grapes, not bad for 27 minutes of work in NM
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Mortis
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Originally Posted by thedragonpunisher
How whould you run past these?
Speed boost run to one, pull back quickly. That lets you trigger traps without taking damage/getting conditions on ya. Do this with both, then walk through with np.
A Leprechaun
Thanks everyone (some people contacted me ingame) I managed a couple runs (5 ectos in my first run ^^).
~A Leprechaun~ *edit* I have been running this build: [glyph of swiftness][deadly paradox][shadow form][fire attunement][Gole][mark of rodgort][lava font][dash] I am happy with it and it has been working fine, is there much difference between this one and the Inferno/Pheonix build?
nekopowa
Here's a plains run video for one of the builds - the MoR one, for all of you who are still having problems figuring out the route. Hope it helps a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWXXExd3VPA&fmt=18 It's just the way i do it, i don't know is it the most efficient way
Larcen
I usually use Dark Escape instead of Dash, fastest I think for me was 23min. Course I'm not in a speed contest thus take my time really.
Sjeng
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Originally Posted by Larcen
I usually use Dark Escape instead of Dash, fastest I think for me was 23min. Course I'm not in a speed contest thus take my time really.
Yes, that's what I've been wondering all along: why use Dash???
Dark escape lasts much longer, and even better: Flame Djinn's Haste also deals damage. So why not use these? Are they not good for running over the traps? Tyla
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Originally Posted by nekopowa
Here's a plains run video for one of the builds - the MoR one, for all of you who are still having problems figuring out the route. Hope it helps a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWXXExd3VPA&fmt=18 It's just the way i do it, i don't know is it the most efficient way
I usually go left instead of straight forward -- I find it safer, as sometimes when I get bodyblocked depending on the spawn, I can't get past the group where the Charging Blackness guys go back and forth because the traps kill me. Rubberbanding is bad.
Larcen
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Originally Posted by Sjeng
Yes, that's what I've been wondering all along: why use Dash???
Dark escape lasts much longer, and even better: Flame Djinn's Haste also deals damage. So why not use these? Are they not good for running over the traps? Assuming you're at full health (which you should be) and you hit a trap while under Dark Escape, it'll hurt but won't kill you. Get off the trapped area and regen. kicks66
The original reason for [skill]Dash[/skill] was it was the best way to deal with traps. Since then ive realised with experience [skill]Flame Djinns Haste[/skill] is far better, you can get over most traps with it, it provides a speed boost and does some more damage.
A great tip ive been using recently is to do the plains themselves with low health, around 10-50 health, using a vamp to keep it low between aggroes. Its meant I can now get regularly a 19-20 min run, im sure 16-17 is quite possible.
sLiceR
can someone post some screens of what groupd they aggro together in the chaos planes? I heard it's possible to aggro 4 dreamriders at the start but I can't do that
A Leprechaun
Oh, another thing. There always seems to be a group (usually 2 or 3) of charged blacknesses camped at the gates onto the chaos plains, is this normal, its a pain in the ass but managable. Is it worth killing the graspings/aatxe before you start to go up the mountains? I have been.
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