Solo Shadowform Sin - Chaos Plains NM Farm

Psyko

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

The Shinobi Empire [TSE]

for those who are having energy problems, you can always replace viper's defense/run skill with glowing gaze and your energy is nearly always full...

i use the MoR build with glowing gaze, rarely have problems with behemoths, make it to the plains in time, and have no problems otherwise

i know it will probly not work in HM, but NM is just fine for making cash... :P

Paul thy god

Paul thy god

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

N/Rt

HUZZAH i just broke 100k for the first time in about 3 months thanks a heap for this. i made the 21 ectos in about a week or so of casual farming in between studying for exams ect, now im sitting on 125 plat or so in the bank, and can proceed to buy elite luxon armor and a dread mask for my necro (Cursed Golden Rin Relics....)

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I am using MoR/Lava... are there any good wall blocking techniques for the mindblades? The trick is to let SF run out before you aggro, so your on low health, then reapply when you aggro, and bunch em all up, then nuke em and they dont run.

Also just a side note, killing them all at once DOES NOT REDUCE YOUR CHANCE OF AN ECTO, if it does then i must be very very lucky to get 4 from 1 mob of 27 (well i guess that luck anyway) /endofdisscussion

AshleyS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny2097
ive almost finished preparing my new sin now, but my question is if its worth using a sup vigor rune for this farm, to get past the traps etc.? I'm not using any type of Vigor runes, just Radiant and Attunement, and my runs are fine.

SimonSez

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Sweden

Special Attack Division [SAD]

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
I am using MoR/Lava... are there any good wall blocking techniques for the mindblades? you dont need to bodyblock or anything. just keep your HP under 100 and they will attack you all the time.

Destiny2097

Destiny2097

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
I'm not using any type of Vigor runes, just Radiant and Attunement, and my runs are fine. i started off without any vigor rune but found that sometimes when i had to run over traps i would degen to death. so i slapped on a sup vigor (also have +30hp swaps) and now its easy to survive running through a trap. so far this farm has been pretty good, the most ectos ive got in a run is 9. my runs take around 30-35mins to do but thats probably because i kill some of the aatxes and terrorwebs.

pipo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

the fire figters

P/

i have a question
i do also the aatxes with the a/me build
but when i run to the chaos planes
now ive had a couple of times that there are those obsidian behemoths just in the beginning or at the end in the way , which i cant get past
do u have any tips ?
thnx

Trader of Secrets

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

the behemoth block is just by a bad chance. Occassionally I get like 4 that completely block the entrance and exit gates.

exploiter

exploiter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

ign Punk Isnt Dead

R/

for 7-8 runs today: 23e, Ruby, Sapphire, White Dye, and some plats. Meh, my best run was 4e

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

I did 2 runs yesterday 3 ecto,5 ecto and 4 runs today 5 ecto,4 ecto,9 ecto, 4 ecto im taking a break from this farm its way to boring lol

Time to buy me some 15k armors ^^

Murmel

Murmel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Land of Confusion

[swea]

W/

Did my first SUCCESFULL run today.. Took me bout 5 tries to find Chaos Plains and avoiding traps (lol )
Anyway, got 3 ectos and 2 golds... Preety profitable but soo boring ^^

Trylo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

[Here] | CKOD

E/R

so... after my power went out for 2 days, i just did a run and got 10 ecto

yay loot scale?

Mac Sidewinder

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

If you can stick with the boring repetition, this is a great farm. In 10 days (about 2 to 3 hours at a time) I have maxed my storage gold (added 800k) and now have about 30 ecto saved towards getting obby armor. But man is it boring. Gonna quit for awhile and play the game again.

Elite Bushido

Elite Bushido

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

NY

RaiN

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trylo
so... after my power went out for 2 days, i just did a run and got 10 ecto

yay loot scale? rare mat drops, are NOT connected with loot scaling

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and people that are having energy issues. DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT use the glyph of swiftness and Deadly Paradox UNTIL SF is recharge.
i never run out of energy with a constant SF up all the time. if you do find yourself low. just DONT cast any other spells. wait for SF to recharge then Glyph, DP, and SF. also make sure to have a fire off hand that doesnt take away a energy recharge. people who are using one need to stop and think

ps. i have a totem axe some fire offhand i found for the +12 energy and all energy armor(radiant, attunement) also the sup shadow of course

revhard

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

WTB

R/E

i must be doing something wrong, max i get 2 ectos but usually its 0 or 1.
wtf just bad luck?

Molock

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Qu??bec

Legacy of Angels [Halo]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by revhard
i must be doing something wrong, max i get 2 ectos but usually its 0 or 1.
wtf just bad luck? The max I have gotten from a run so far is 5.. and I just did a run and didn't get a single ecto... the run before that I got 1

revhard

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

WTB

R/E

i've done probably 30-40 runs total now and i've never gotten more than 2. yet my friends are getting 7,8,9 per run sometimes

Paul thy god

Paul thy god

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

N/Rt

I just got 8 ectos in one run with 2 sapphires, and 2 passage scrolls

no joke, im very happy

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

I use zealous daggers and have a caster sword/+12+15 focus to cast shadowform if needed. You can litteraly spam teh damage skills as much as you want then switch to cast. Also this may be random but I had alot of 1-2 ecto runs mobbing grps of 3 did all of them alone today and had a 50 min run, but got 13 ectos. Was very pleased with it. Yes I am not lying, but no screen didnt really think of it.

Mac Sidewinder

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

I've used both the sliver armor and the fire nuke builds and here are the differences:

Ecto - No difference (no matter if its fast or slow killing)
Other drops - at least twice as much with sliver than nuke
Time - Nuke twice as fast as sliver

Conclusion - if you are after ecto then use the nuke build - its faster. If you want other drops to salvage, etc then use the sliver build.

When I use the nuke build my backpacks are only half full when i'm done. If I use the sliver build, I take a salvage kit and have to use it on all the white drops half way through the run just to have enough space to pick everything up.

But bottom line is that both ways produce the same amount of ecto per run (but you can do twice as many nuke runs in the same time as a single sliver run - so you do the math)!!

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac Sidewinder
I've used both the sliver armor and the fire nuke builds and here are the differences:

Ecto - No difference (no matter if its fast or slow killing)
Other drops - at least twice as much with sliver than nuke
Time - Nuke twice as fast as sliver

Conclusion - if you are after ecto then use the nuke build - its faster. If you want other drops to salvage, etc then use the sliver build.

When I use the nuke build my backpacks are only half full when i'm done. If I use the sliver build, I take a salvage kit and have to use it on all the white drops half way through the run just to have enough space to pick everything up.

But bottom line is that both ways produce the same amount of ecto per run (but you can do twice as many nuke runs in the same time as a single sliver run - so you do the math)!! That's funny because I've exclusively used the MoR+Font build and I always find myself salvaging whites to make more room for drops.

How many ectos I've seen drop varies just as often as ppl QQ on these forums if that's any indication but the norm seems to be at least 3 a run, most from a single run was 8 I think.

To those having issues getting to the plains, watch the videos posted here in the farming forum and note the path. Make sure you're using cupcakes and [dash] or [flame Djinn's haste].

To those having energy issues, don't be afraid to wand if you must.

Anyways, anyone who doesn't already have a sin or isn't making one is really missing out on some great farming runs. Now if I can just find a good supplier of cupcakes. Speaking of which, whats the going rate atm? I think it was 100g per cupcake but that was before this became popular, lol.

Mr. Undisclosed

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

D/

Eh...cupcakes aren't really needed, tbh you're the first I've heard of wasting cupcakes on this run. The cupcake price hasn't changed at all, no joke.

Mac Sidewinder

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

I've heard of some people using cupcakes (and other consumables) instead of running skills to free up a slot for something else. I really haven't seen any need to do this but to each his/her own.

Kyuuzo

Kyuuzo

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Somewhere on Earth

Legion of Wolfsong

P/

Indeed, no cupcakes needed here either. I don't need [Flame Djinns Haste] (I use [dash]), as 25-30 min runs are fast enough for me (first 2 groups of dryders included)

jbwarrior

jbwarrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Netherlands

W/

Hi there,

Some ppl doesn't seem to understand (still) how to get to Chaos, well I've made (again) a video, and shows also how to farm, where and what.

~NOTE: I do NOT take credit for the build, however I do take credit for the Video

GL, for every 1 that needs it, for this farm run....

Video: http://files.filefront.com/Chaos+Run.../fileinfo.html

psycore

psycore

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
So I did 2 full runs, and got 2 ecto. 0 on the first, 2 on the second. Then I got 3 spawns in a row where I couldn't even get PAST the Behemoths, let alone past their traps, because they had completely bodyblocked the path. Needless to say I am f*cking mad. I just had that happen 4 times in a row, suffice to say i had to quit gw and go do something else i was a tad pissed off.

Bahamuth

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by jbwarrior
Hi there,

Some ppl doesn't seem to understand (still) how to get to Chaos, well I've made (again) a video, and shows also how to farm, where and what.

~NOTE: I do NOT take credit for the build, however I do take credit for the Video

GL, for every 1 that needs it, for this farm run....

Video: http://files.filefront.com/Chaos+Run.../fileinfo.html First of all, good video. It definately shows to anyone the basics of the run. I have some point which could've been better. These are not meant to negatively criticize you, but as general info for everyone.

I prefer to use dash for the following reason. With dash you can easily and without much risk of body blocks, take on the whole chamber with 3 groups of squids. You can afterwards trap them against a wall (I usually don't because it barely matters in time spent). It's probably always a bad idea to kill the Aaxte, because you'd be better of using that time doing more runs and killing more Mindblades.

Also, it's not even useful to kill any squids after you've finished the quest. Just ignore them and run past the Behemoths when the Blacknessess have passed.

Your run was excellent. You timed it just right, and it's a great help for anyone who doesn't know how to do the run.

What you didn't do tough, was keep your health under 100, which is quite crucial. It speeds the run up quite a lot. You can efficiently get your health at less than 100 by making sure you recast Shadow Form in the run just after you walked up the last steep part, to the road where the Blacknessess pass if you're too slow. Then you can run to the Planes, wait for 3 seconds and reapply Shadow Form after is has ended. Then, aggro.

The Banished Dream Riders can be divided into roughly 3 groups. There's the first group you see when you enter, which consists of 4 Dream Riders. It's best to try and kill them and their spawns together. Sometimes it's possible to pull those 4 Dream Riders together, but it usually isnt.

The second group is at the altar thingy. It consists of 3 Dream Riders, with some extra additional spawns. You can always pull these 3 together. Be sure to use a longbow for pulling.

The thirth group is close to the Terrorwebs. There are just 2 Dream Rides. It's easiest to kill the Terrorwebs together with the last spawns.

I hope this info is helpful to anyone trying to speed up their runs.

Nightow

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed
Eh...cupcakes aren't really needed, tbh you're the first I've heard of wasting cupcakes on this run. The cupcake price hasn't changed at all, no joke. Hmm, welll I think it was brought up in one of the other UW farming threads for assasssins but I'll have to try it out without using one later.

A Leprechaun

A Leprechaun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

I did a run back along where I compared 2 techniques for killing mindblades:
1) Normal MoR + Lava Font, keep spamming Lava Font until all the enemies die.
2) MoR + Lava font until your foes are at low HP (usually 2 casts) then keep MoR on them and sword them to death (Fiery sword).

I got 2 to 3 times more drops (including cash) when I killed them slower (1 at a time). It took bloody ages but then again since I have gotten 1-2 ectos a run for my past 4 runs it might be worth it :S.

~A Leprechaun~

lilesnoopy

lilesnoopy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Imperial Guard of Vabbi

Mo/

ok when you are casting sf
which order does it go in?
is it deathly paradox ---> gliph--->Shadow Farm
or gliph--->deathly paradox--->Shadow form?
b/c im not too sure and died because of charged blacknesses right by chaos plains
also wat weps do you guys use because i keep on runing out of energy with totem axe and filame artifact giving me 49 energy

Moloch Vein

Moloch Vein

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Reactive Hexing Sucks

[Thay]

N/

Since I'm currently unable to access gw: Are the Mindblades susceptible to poison, bleeding, disease?

exploiter

exploiter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

ign Punk Isnt Dead

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by lilesnoopy
ok when you are casting sf
which order does it go in?
is it deathly paradox ---> gliph--->Shadow Farm
or gliph--->deathly paradox--->Shadow form?
b/c im not too sure and died because of charged blacknesses right by chaos plains
also wat weps do you guys use because i keep on runing out of energy with totem axe and filame artifact giving me 49 energy I think that order doesn't matter. You are dying because of the Shock skill which ignores SF
And I have Totem Axe and Droknars Fire Focus (20/20)

Mr. Undisclosed

Mr. Undisclosed

I phail

Join Date: Mar 2007

Phailville

D/

Quote:
Hmm, welll I think it was brought up in one of the other UW farming threads for assasssins but I'll have to try it out without using one later.
If you want another dmg skill you can use Flame Dijinns haste, it serves both purposes. I prefer dash though after trying both, not using cupcakes will save you some cash as well. I use them every great once and a while if I manage to get snagged on the traps and dont feel like starting over.

Quote:
ok when you are casting sf
which order does it go in?
is it deathly paradox ---> gliph--->Shadow Farm
or gliph--->deathly paradox--->Shadow form?
b/c im not too sure and died because of charged blacknesses right by chaos plains
also wat weps do you guys use because i keep on runing out of energy with totem axe and filame artifact giving me 49 energy It doesn't matter which order, you can cast both at the same time since one is a stance. Just make sure to cast them as soon as it recharges. The charged blaknesses as the door mean you went too slow and you need to make your trip up the mountains faster. SHock is also a skill so it goes through SF.

Quote:
Since I'm currently unable to access gw: Are the Mindblades susceptible to poison, bleeding, disease? None of these work because mindblades are not fleshy.

Coeus

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Vancouver, B.C.

Mo/

Awesome build and awesome guide.

I have done 5 runs so far and got 15 ecto, I guess my luck isnt as good as others.

Has anyone done this on HM? I tried it, but the mindblades scatter and then only 3 will attack you at a time. Anyone know why that is? I was also at 50 HP when fighting them.

lilesnoopy

lilesnoopy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2007

The Imperial Guard of Vabbi

Mo/

yea thx guys got the build down and got 2 ectos on my first successfull run :P nd this worx in hm but do you use dash or fdh in hm?

kvndoom

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

I don't find doing it in Hard Mode worth the trouble. If I want cash or rares, I have plenty of places to farm for those. I do UW solely for ecto. Kills will take longer in HM, and Hard Mode does not increase your chance of getting ecto.

@ Leprechaun: yeah, killing slower does net better drops of non-ecto stuff, but that's not what 'm down there for. Sometimes I muck around and use Conjure Flame + MoR and wandspike, just for the sake of doing it. Yes, I get more stuff, but not sure if it's worth it.

So... for max ectos for time spent: Normal Mode, fast kills (aoe)

for max drops with time not a factor: Hard Mode, don't kill too many enemies at once

Darkstar The Legend

Darkstar The Legend

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Boat Crew [boat]

W/

First 10 runs i tried, totaly blocked by the behemoths. Was really really pissed and gave up on it for a while.

came back to it and finally got a clear route. a 6 ecto run and a q9 storm bow too, was a very nice welcome to the chaos planes.

masta_yoda

masta_yoda

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2007

most hated players in the [game]

R/Mo

i usually kil all the aaxte if i get blocked

Sora267

Sora267

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

How fast are runs with an Assassin? I do this as E/A, and my runs are generally 30-35 mins long, with Golden Eggs and sometimes Essences. I made a Sin today since Essences were costly with five failed runs in a row (Behemoths blocked the path), and I'm wondering if its worth to keep working on the Assassin.

rayd

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

No Veo Na [xX]

I hate ecto drops, not even one ecto till the last group...


Then I got 4 of them, lol

Coeus

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Vancouver, B.C.

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine
How fast are runs with an Assassin? I do this as E/A, and my runs are generally 30-35 mins long, with Golden Eggs and sometimes Essences. I made a Sin today since Essences were costly with five failed runs in a row (Behemoths blocked the path), and I'm wondering if its worth to keep working on the Assassin. I think making an assasin is worth it. For my ele when I did it I did it around 45 min not using essences and eggs. Now with my assasin I can do it in 24 min. So doing it in half the time is worth it in my opinion.