SF Update will destroy GW economy

WTB That much time.

Despite all the doomsaying, the price of ectos seems to have a floor of 4.8k. It has been jumping between that and 5.5k all day. I smell a hardcoded minimum trader price, possibly to prevent the sort of incident that happened at the trader reset back in the days of yore.

This isn't true. Ecto have dropped lower than that on numerous occasions over time. The drop rate still sucks for ecto, no matter how often you are doing it.

lol, and I just managed to figure out how to get past those damned Charged Blacknessess. RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO!

i fail to see why ppl would even be complaining about perma shadow form. who cares about the economy really...shut up...go make a sin...go make some money

If the economy is so dead why is that I can sell things for a reasonable price and buy what I want for a reasonable price with little to no waiting? I'd say that is a healthy market economy.

If you want to talk about a bad game economy turn back the clock to a month or three after Prophecies launch when Superior Vigors were 100k, Superior monk and warrior runes were sky high and you couldn't get a perfect 15^50 weapon without selling a kidney, let alone getting one in the exact skin you wanted. That was a bad economy. By comparison, what we have now is incredibly good.

uw was always easy to farm and i remember getting at least 2ectos+ every run (took 10-15mins a run) before lootscaling was introduced which works out about the same as this new farm. also, we already get free zkeys for doing nothing every month and no one complains

Hate to break it to you but Ectos have ALWAYS been easy to farm.
Even before the change to SF you could still maintain perma SF with A/Me
The only difference is that its slightly easier but not by much.
So this really wont hurt much more.

Why do people gripe about MOST of the things they whine about on this board? I mean, not that there aren't some legitimate complaints or suggestions about the game posted, but if I had to wager, I'd say I find about 98% of the complaints and "concerns" that get posted to Riverside to be complete crap.

Some people just aren't capable of seeing past the end of their own nose... that's my take on it.

i think the majority of ppl probably complain bcuz either they have a bunch of ecto and dont want the price to drop, or bcuz they cant do the farm themselves.

im not sure, but perhaps some ppl dont understand how trader prices work?

anyway, someone can correct me if im wrong, but as far as i know trader prices r based off their own supply. yes, traders do have a supply of items, hence why they can be sold out of things such as, ooo i dunno, sup shadow runes atm.
and of course we base our prices off of the traders. so. not many ppl sell ecto to the trader bcuz they know they can get more from players. therefore, his supply is relatively low. but, im sure there are some ppl who sell ecto to him at times. hence why ecto prices drop to 4.8k from him sometimes bcuz his supply went up. then someone says "omg ecto 4.8k from trader!" /buy buy buy. and the price returns to 5.5k bcuz his supply has dropped again.
anyway, this is why ppl can have stacks and stacks and STACKS of ecto without the price dropping. the price isnt based on drop rates or how many r in circulation, its based off their supply of the item.
if u want ecto price to stay as it is, dont sell the trader ecto but buy from him to keep his supply low. *shrug* thats what i think anyway

I would rather read through UB bitching than this. SF is FTW in missions and gives some utility back to sins in PvE.


<-------------------has stacks and could care less

Ouch. And I thought I was harsh. Ursan whining is TERRIBLE!

People tend to draw attention to things that don't affect them. They struggle through doing UW in HM for two hours and then see someone else do it in 30 minutes. They get pissed and post it on guru. They did it with the minion master, 55, 600/smite, VWK, Ritlord, etc...

Stop it already. If we had it your way, I would be spamming healing breeze on everyone. hahahahaha

Damn... My average per run is 0, Then again that's just me and my luck.

That's exactly how I think it works too. Therefore...prices will stay relatively the same as long as we're not offloading them right to the trader.

I hope that these changes make everything so cheap that everybody can afford anything! Perhaps I'm going overboard, but I know a lot of elitist players that would probably quit if they knew that their FoW and Chaos Gloves no longer took "skillz" to get.


Now now, that's just wishful thinking...

The gw economy does not work, can not work and will never work. In other games there are real professions like mining, fishing and cooking. You kill a lion and sell his flesh to a cook or use it to create food. In gw, random dropps have no real use and no use means no value and you sell it to a merchant. Now since random dropps have no value, all what people can do is farming ectos or shards because those can be used to create something with higher value (to "craft" obsidian armor). Now you can nerf every skill in the game but the truth is, the economy will never work without real professions, useful items and a working auctions house.

The "most skilled" players bought their FoW with Protective Bond.

And there really isn't any skill difference between PB and SF builds. They are/were overpowered and allowed limitless farming.

And just like in the days of old: farm soon, farm fast. It all ends eventually.

If I may ask, how was Prot Bond so ridiculously imba? I wasn't playing when it got nerfed.

It must have been insane to go toe-to-toe with invincibility.

With a +1 offhand you would have a 20% chance to have 0 energy loss to get 5% hp protection. It kicked ass compared to Protective Spirit, which has to be recast all the time, 10%, and chance of being interupted. Spirit Bond would be amazing to have as it was again in PvE.