SF Update will destroy GW economy

RotteN

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08 Jun 2008 at 13:20 - 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taurus
What's the ecto rate on SF farm, per hour ?
somewhere between 6 and 20 depending on how lucky your are.

All those facts aside, i don't see anything "negative" in wealth being available to more than just the hardcore 24/7 players. It gives everyone willing to spend some time towards a certain goal (being obsidian or a nice rare skin or whatever) the chance to actually achieve it.

I was one of the first to get female warrior obsidian. Back then i spend between 2,5 and 3 million gold to get it. You don't see me complaining about everyone being able to buy it, now do you ? Surely, my gear is less unique than it was in 2005, but i still like the skin (which is the reason why i bought it in the first place). So i don't see any holes in people being able to purchase the same skin if they like it aswell.

Lykan

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08 Jun 2008 at 13:27 - 202
As long as players trade with each other like they do pretty much all the time and dont sell to the trader it wont change much.

DarkNecrid

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08 Jun 2008 at 13:42 - 203
I've been mass selling to the trader I hope people don't mind ^^

Dante the Warlord

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08 Jun 2008 at 19:38 - 204
I just hope that people farming are farming for the intent of getting obsidian armor and choas gloves and not for trade. if so ecto economy might crash.... and i just made a huge trade with ectos..

Divinus Stella

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08 Jun 2008 at 20:48 - 205
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taurus
What's the ecto rate on SF farm, per hour ?
About 4-5 per run average, a run takes 20min, at best 15 ecto per hour which is 75k, i dont see how thats gonna kill the economy.

The Red Messenger

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08 Jun 2008 at 22:02 - 206
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkNecrid
I've been mass selling to the trader I hope people don't mind ^^
thats fine...

for every 100 people who merch em, lowering the price of ectos, theres another 1000 people who buy at trader when it hits 4.8, putting it right back to 5.5. this is why i believe ecto prices are safe.

by the way....does anyone know why the price wont go between 4.8 and 5.5? its a pretty big gap. I've seen 4.6, 4.7, 4.8, 5.5, 6.0, 6.5...it seems like the incriments are every 500g when it hits 5.5, and theres nothing in between 4.8 and 5.5

Gwmaster

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08 Jun 2008 at 22:34 - 207
man my luck sure must suck since i get an average of 1 ecto per run LOL!

Knight of Dark Mage

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08 Jun 2008 at 22:36 - 208
It has been nerfed already so don't worry

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08 Jun 2008 at 22:43 - 209
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Originally Posted by Knight of Dark Mage
It has been nerfed already so don't worry
....no it hasn't. What are you talking about.

Nightow

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08 Jun 2008 at 22:44 - 210
Averaging 5-7 ectos a run != nerf.

DarkGanni

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08 Jun 2008 at 23:29 - 211
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Originally Posted by Kurenai Fire Sensei
Hi guys sry for my bad english but it isn t my native lauguage. I will try to explain what i think in the better way i can.
I want to talk about the recent [shadow form] PvE uptade, i think that this uptaded skill will destroy the ectos value like ursan destroyed shards price.
Well, i think all know that now farming ectos whit an A/E or better whit an A/Me is the the simplest thing that a tard player could easily do.
Yesterday some of my friends farmed about 50e in 10 hours and i saw tons of sins soloing in ToA since SF was utaded.
I think that this isn t a nice thing because ectos price will droop soon, they are easier to farm than shards!!!!!
And if ectos will drop their prices FoW armor/chaos Gloves and most of stuff will become a load of rubbish.
Making the farm too easy isn t a nice thing and uw farming (atm the best farming place) will be an usless activity.
Then i think that SF need a new nerf as soon as possible or all gw economy will crash. Last skills balance was orrible and will destroy the gw economy.
What do u think about?

Ps: sry again for my bad english i hope all have understood what i want to say
Yep the economy will crash....That happened long ago. If SF is nerfed may aswell nerf all the other farming builds, Ursan included.

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08 Jun 2008 at 23:38 - 212
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Originally Posted by Mortis
Don't like the way gw is going? Go play wow.
You can like GW, but still be worried about the way GW is going.
This post is almost as bad as those: "DUN LAIK IT DUN USE IT", damn i hate those.
oh and /signed for shadowform being nerfed.. removed. Along with shadowstepping. Oh wth, just go back in time, and prevent sins of being made. They dont fit it GW.

mrmango

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08 Jun 2008 at 23:43 - 213
Who gives a crap about the GW economy?

DarkGanni

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08 Jun 2008 at 23:47 - 214
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokingHotImolation
You can like GW, but still be worried about the way GW is going.
This post is almost as bad as those: "DUN LAIK IT DUN USE IT", damn i hate those.
oh and /signed for shadowform being nerfed.. removed. Along with shadowstepping. Oh wth, just go back in time, and prevent sins of being made. They dont fit it GW.
If SF is nerfed Anet may aswell nerf all farming builds and I'm referring to 600/Smite, Terra farming, W/Rt or anything with VwK and Ursan aswell.

To me those wanting SF to be nerfed are ppl who:

1. Have expensive weapons and don't want to lose value from.

2. Jealous kids who can't or want to make an assassin.

3. Players that just want to ruin other's fun.

As I say: The cheaper the better. This isn't a game who's the most richest person in game. Ruining other players fun is cruel.

Conclusion: Want money too? make a sin and quit the childish whining.

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09 Jun 2008 at 01:17 - 215
More wealth being available to everyone can be good, AND ridiculously overpowered skills can be bad. Solving one problem by intentionally creating another is bad game design... and thats why Anet did it.

jhu

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09 Jun 2008 at 01:42 - 216
there isn't a real economy when expensive items work the same as cheap/free items - unless you're selling your gold/expensive items for real world money.

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09 Jun 2008 at 02:11 - 217
I love when people make sweeping statements about singular actions or changes "destroying" the economy. I would wager that most people who make such statements haven't done a lot of study on how the economy, or any economy, works.

To be frank, our economy in Guild Wars has been a disaster for quite some time... however that particular statement is over used, and despite the low standards most of us already have for trading, it's fair to say that changes and updates may affect our current money's value overall.

Despite this, I repeat again that the "Chicken Little" approach to economic changes is a bad one. In my estimation, actually, these recent PvE changes have likely stimulated the economy. The average player sees these buffs to their favorite classes and skills and these changes alone may entice them enough to play more, perhaps with new goals of 15k/FoW armor or high end weaponry... or anything, really. The worst kind of economy is one with too many sellers and not enough buyers... this problem has plagued Guild Wars for some time. With everything more easily attainable, it's possible that the influx of people making money (and thus wanting to spend it on things, AKA "demand") will make the simultaneous influx of merchandise (AKA "supply") a non-issue. This would give us an over-all improved economy, with more stability for the average player, while the previously wealthy, despite some minor harm to their overall worth, will remain the top tier in the market... think of lowering the difficulty of PvE as basically raising Guild Wars' minimum wage.

Yawgmoth

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09 Jun 2008 at 02:53 - 218
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkGanni
If SF is nerfed Anet may aswell nerf all farming builds and I'm referring to 600/Smite, Terra farming, W/Rt or anything with VwK and Ursan aswell.

To me those wanting SF to be nerfed are ppl who:

1. Have expensive weapons and don't want to lose value from.

2. Jealous kids who can't or want to make an assassin.

3. Players that just want to ruin other's fun.

As I say: The cheaper the better. This isn't a game who's the most richest person in game. Ruining other players fun is cruel.

Conclusion: Want money too? make a sin and quit the childish whining.
Attitudes like this are deadly for the game, greedy little whiners who want more and more easier and easier.

Updates catering to this type of players are what ruins the game.

While abusing the imba for big ecto gain is what I'm doing now, I keep saying it's just completely wrong, and allowing that is a terrible game design. Nerf is a must.

You forgot on your list:

4. People who care about integrity and balance of the game as a whole

Vitues

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09 Jun 2008 at 03:43 - 219
i made 94 ecto in 4 hours yesterday

So.... Yea there goes the economy

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09 Jun 2008 at 03:52 - 220
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitues
i made 94 ecto in 4 hours yesterday

So.... Yea there goes the economy
thats 23.5 ecto an hour, you must be very lucky

DarklingKiller

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09 Jun 2008 at 04:10 - 221
Seems to me that A-net is trying to kill their own game... Ursan, SF, what's next?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by EinherjarMx
thats 23.5 ecto an hour, you must be very lucky
Hey dude how's it going?

Vitues

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09 Jun 2008 at 04:47 - 222
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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx
thats 23.5 ecto an hour, you must be very lucky
Which on average takes around 20-25 mins per run yeah. Pretty Much

EinherjarMx

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09 Jun 2008 at 05:40 - 223
i'm only making 10-12 a hour and thats because i aggro 2 groups at a time (4 groups total)

i should try aggroing more mindblades

@DarklingKiller: sup dude ^^

Rhamia Darigaz

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09 Jun 2008 at 06:21 - 224
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Originally Posted by The Red Messenger
thats fine...

for every 100 people who merch em, lowering the price of ectos, theres another 1000 people who buy at trader when it hits 4.8, putting it right back to 5.5. this is why i believe ecto prices are safe.
qtf. ecto prices are extremely stable, which is why they make a good substitue currency. i really can't see ecto prices plummeting like a lot of ppl seem to expect.

Div

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09 Jun 2008 at 06:31 - 225
Why are people crying about overpowered skills in PvE again? The economy is already dead.

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09 Jun 2008 at 12:06 - 226
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
Why are people crying about overpowered skills in PvE again? The economy is already dead.
And by that you obviously mean "There's almost nothing slightly uncommon that I can sell for 100 platinum + globs of ectoplasm anymore".

Yichi

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09 Jun 2008 at 13:30 - 227
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Originally Posted by ogre_jd
And by that you obviously mean "There's almost nothing slightly uncommon that I can sell for 100 platinum + globs of ectoplasm anymore".
no meaning that the community cried when SF was nerfed, now that its buffed, they cry because they can't sell something ub3r rar3 for mad cash anymore and others will have one that previously didn't and we can't have that...

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09 Jun 2008 at 15:42 - 228
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Originally Posted by DarklingKiller
Seems to me that A-net is trying to kill their own game... Ursan, SF, what's next?
Seams to me that A-Net have woken up and realised GW is a game for ALL players, not only a small click of players.
The majority of players are very happy, the rest can take a hike or get a real life. BTW. ectos are worthless when GW2 comes.

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09 Jun 2008 at 20:47 - 229
lol gw economy is already destroyed. everyone rich has everything they need and the most desired items are those that no longer drop and hoarded. most ppl with extremely rare tyrian 15>50 crystallines, r7's, or unconditionals have quit. to my knowledge, i believe todeshand is one of the few ppl still playing wit those rare weapons.

Yawgmoth

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09 Jun 2008 at 21:03 - 230
You can say that GW economy is already destroyed (I don't disagree), but believe me, it can still get MUCH worse than it is.
Allowing overfarm of ectos at stupidly high rates is easily a step in that way.

Snow Bunny

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09 Jun 2008 at 22:06 - 231
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
You can say that GW economy is already destroyed (I don't disagree), but believe me, it can still get MUCH worse than it is.
Allowing overfarm of ectos at stupidly high rates is easily a step in that way.
Yawg, this might be a a rarity where I disagree with you.

Prices for various things (weapons namely) haven't escalated significantly.

The only thing that's gone up in price are the Sup Shadow Arts runes. Everything else has remained stable.

People are throwing money around, buying power has increased. All in all, I'm (scary, I know) inclined to believe that buffing SF to stupid levels has resulted in an economic boon.

MisterT69

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09 Jun 2008 at 22:17 - 232
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Yawg, this might be a a rarity where I disagree with you.

Prices for various things (weapons namely) haven't escalated significantly.

The only thing that's gone up in price are the Sup Shadow Arts runes. Everything else has remained stable.

People are throwing money around, buying power has increased. All in all, I'm (scary, I know) inclined to believe that buffing SF to stupid levels has resulted in an economic boon.
I also think this is becoming pretty fair to the noobs who only a few weeks ago were never able to buy ub3r rare weps like crystallines and voltaic spears. But now, this repetitive farming has made it easy for these people to buy them and thus, begins to strengthen the "middle class" of the GW economy and the "high class" is slowly losing its ub3r mega pwn h4x skillz, because now those req 8's and FoW armor they worked so hard to show off to everyone is now a common item. And if the majority a.k.a the middle class is happy, what's A-net going to do? agree with the l33ts and nerf all PVE to hell to satisfy a handful of people? I don't think A-net's gonna do that.

Yawgmoth

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09 Jun 2008 at 23:44 - 233
Well, we can observe invigoration in the economy at the moment, there's a very high demand for assassin runes, elite sin tomes sell exceptionally well even with how much they're overfarmed, and other misc. sin items started to sell really well (I sold a bunch of random gold daggers and 5x 20% enchanting mod for daggers this week I had lying around for months)

Also, people who never had bigger money were able to make a couple hundred plat with this easy farm, this also provides fresh new buying power to the market.

Everything seems great... no negative effects are visible right now. I haven't observed any panic among high-end traders and ecto holders ingame. Ecto prices are still stable, people still buy large quantities at 4700-4800 each, just like a month or two ago. The demand for ectos is still huge. The market for ectos hasn't saturated yet but the real massive farming hasn't even started!

Thousands of players are making their sins right now! I've seen lots of clueless sins in ToA who don't even know the build, or keep failing at it miserably (lol).
There are still huge masses of middle-class and semi-rich players who don't even know about the whole thing. I've talked with people I traded with this weekend (I traded alot, big volume trades), and the general knowledge about the issue is close to nonexistant.

But it won't last long this way, it just can't. If no nerfs happen, ectos will lose their buying power on the market. The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced should realise that FoW armor/Choaos Gloves will be far more accessible for the masses than ever, but the true rare items won't.

I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens, but we will see If I was right.

Nightow

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09 Jun 2008 at 23:49 - 234
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterT69
I also think this is becoming pretty fair to the noobs who only a few weeks ago were never able to buy ub3r rare weps like crystallines and voltaic spears. But now, this repetitive farming has made it easy for these people to buy them and thus, begins to strengthen the "middle class" of the GW economy and the "high class" is slowly losing its ub3r mega pwn h4x skillz, because now those req 8's and FoW armor they worked so hard to show off to everyone is now a common item. And if the majority a.k.a the middle class is happy, what's A-net going to do? agree with the l33ts and nerf all PVE to hell to satisfy a handful of people? I don't think A-net's gonna do that.
They've been doing this slowly at first (CoF Rt or Mo 600/smite <3 ) but the SF update was the real deal breaker for the "middle class".

Snow Bunny

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09 Jun 2008 at 23:50 - 235
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
Well, we can observe invigoration in the economy at the moment, there's a very high demand for assassin runes, elite sin tomes sell exceptionally well even with how much they're overfarmed, and other misc. sin items started to sell really well (I sold a bunch of random gold daggers and 5x 20% enchanting mod for daggers this week I had lying around for months)

Also, people who never had bigger money were able to make a couple hundred plat with this easy farm, this also provides fresh new buying power to the market.

Everything seems great... no negative effects are visible right now. I haven't observed any panic among high-end traders and ecto holders ingame. Ecto prices are still stable, people still buy large quantities at 4700-4800 each, just like a month or two ago. The demand for ectos is still huge. The market for ectos hasn't saturated yet but the real massive farming hasn't even started!

Thousands of players are making their sins right now! I've seen lots of clueless sins in ToA who don't even know the build, or keep failing at it miserably (lol).
There are still huge masses of middle-class and semi-rich players who don't even know about the whole thing. I've talked with people I traded with this weekend (I traded alot, big volume trades), and the general knowledge about the issue is close to nonexistant.

But it won't last long this way, it just can't. If no nerfs happen, ectos will lose their buying power on the market. The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced should realise that FoW armor/Choaos Gloves will be far more accessible for the masses than ever, but the true rare items won't.

I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens, but we will see If I was right.
I must admit, it's an interesting prediction.
Part of me wants to agree, but I recall when the E/Me terra farmer first came out, which was able to take out Smites in 10 minutes, people were going insane over it. I think you're getting the same effect here.
Furthermore, when ecto first took its serious descent, constantly falling from 9 to 8 to 7 to 6 and finally settling in the 5-6 range, people predicted it'd go to 3. It would take a much greater influx of ecto into the market. Also - unless everyone begins to unload onto the trader, ecto retains its price. As long as it switches hands between players, it'll stay around where it's at.

Hopefully, at least.

Chthon

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10 Jun 2008 at 00:08 - 236
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced...I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens.
The increased ecto production coming from this farm is, I think, very tiny compared to the huge number of ectos already out there from 3 years of nonstop farming and hoarding (including a solo plains A/Me build that worked before the buff). While the rate at which the supply grows has changed dramatically, the supply itself is only growing a tiny bit faster than if SF had not been buffed.

If anything is going to cause a collapse in the ecto price, it's going to be a crisis of confidence brought on by people panicking, selling off their ecto holdings into a falling market, and buying up lockpicks or Z-Keys or armbraces or whatever. Which would be one of those ironic self-fulfilling prophecy things.

Mac Sidewinder

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10 Jun 2008 at 00:21 - 237
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
Well, we can observe invigoration in the economy at the moment, there's a very high demand for assassin runes, elite sin tomes sell exceptionally well even with how much they're overfarmed, and other misc. sin items started to sell really well (I sold a bunch of random gold daggers and 5x 20% enchanting mod for daggers this week I had lying around for months)

Also, people who never had bigger money were able to make a couple hundred plat with this easy farm, this also provides fresh new buying power to the market..
So it is having a positive effect then.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
Everything seems great... no negative effects are visible right now. I haven't observed any panic among high-end traders and ecto holders ingame. Ecto prices are still stable, people still buy large quantities at 4700-4800 each, just like a month or two ago. The demand for ectos is still huge. The market for ectos hasn't saturated yet but the real massive farming hasn't even started!
How do you know this? Do you think it will keep swelling and swelling untill everybody is farming the UW? Pure speculation - not everyone is willing or likes to farm in the first place.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
Thousands of players are making their sins right now! I've seen lots of clueless sins in ToA who don't even know the build, or keep failing at it miserably (lol).
There are still huge masses of middle-class and semi-rich players who don't even know about the whole thing. I've talked with people I traded with this weekend (I traded alot, big volume trades), and the general knowledge about the issue is close to nonexistant.
Again speculation. How could you possible know that THOUSANDS of people are currently making sins for this purpose? I'm pretty sure that some people have done this but to say that there are THOUSANDS of new sins being made for the purpose of farming for ectos is your imagination talking. And if there are "lots of clueless sins failing miserably in TOA then maybe they will get tired of trying and quit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
But it won't last long this way, it just can't. If no nerfs happen, ectos will lose their buying power on the market. The demand for them will stay high for a long time but the supply will only multiply. Anyone who has at least basic economic knowledge and who has seen the rates at which ectos can now be easily produced should realise that FoW armor/Choaos Gloves will be far more accessible for the masses than ever, but the true rare items won't.

I predict a crash coming in no later than 3 weeks from now if no nerf happens, but we will see If I was right.
If the majority of ecto is being farmed for FoW armor/Choaos gloves then these ecto will be removed from the game, (as I suspect that the majority of people are doing this for). The only downside that this will cause is that more and more people will be able to obtain these items, making some of the "l33t" people who already had these cry foul, because it was easier.

The only way a "crash" would come is if people took their stacks and stacks of ecto and sold it to the trader (assuming that Anet doesn't have a minimum price set at the trader for ecto). If people continue to sell to other players then the trader is not involved at all and the price remains the same.

One of the benefits is that more and more people are able to purchase some things that they couldn't before. If you are farming ecto to gain wealth then simply sell it to other players till you max your gold storage. What do you really need more than a million gold for anyway?

What all you doomsayer people fail to realize is that this farm was possible BEFORE the sin buff. Ecto was being farmed this whole time, not just in the last month. The sky is not falling and the market won't crash.

This is just another "Oh noes" thread.

Mesmer in Need

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10 Jun 2008 at 01:29 - 238
All the ursan threads keep getting closed, so they come here to qq now. /sigh
As far as I'm concerned, this gives a lot of new players the chance to farm their first set of fow (like me). This means ectos come from the uw, into a players storage, and back out to the forgemaster, not hurting the economy one bit.

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10 Jun 2008 at 01:51 - 239
My speculating about THOUSANDS is based purely on facts - on the massive increase in demand for sin goods, on the number of new sins I see in Kaineng and earlier areas, and on rune trader looking like at Factions release 2 years ago.

I know this farm was possible before the update, but the fact is very few people knew about it then so it couldn't have any impact on whole game's economy. It's all the matter of scale, now it's turning into the number 1 farm for masses to do, and by far the most efficient one cash/time.
Example for comparison: When DoA was new and Titan gems were going for 100k or above there were people who could farm them and make big money selling them. Slowly the knowledge spreaded, I learned to solofarm them when they were around ~75k and made good good money on that. And when the knowledge became widely known so lots of people did that 1 or 2 or 3 man way, the price dropped below 25k and kept falling. Later Ursan came and the gems became cheap and common. And yes, whole DoA was completable before Ursan, but it was the imba skill that made puggy masses do it repeately, bringing the prices to where they are now.
Now another imba skills brings the masses to farm ectos faster than ever...

And if you think that players farming ectos for own use doesn't affect the economy then think about the same players farming something else for efficient money instead and buying the ectos from other players or trader. This DOES affect the demand for ectos, as players won't be as likely to buy what they can easily farm themselves.

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10 Jun 2008 at 03:31 - 240
It's hard to destroy an economy that's already dead, if it was ever alive to begin with...