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Originally Posted by romeus petrus
Some are getting 50-60 ectos in a few hours of farming..
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SF Update will destroy GW economy
Snow Bunny
Esan
Despite all the doomsaying, the price of ectos seems to have a floor of 4.8k. It has been jumping between that and 5.5k all day. I smell a hardcoded minimum trader price, possibly to prevent the sort of incident that happened at the trader reset back in the days of yore.
The Way Out
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Originally Posted by Esan
Despite all the doomsaying, the price of ectos seems to have a floor of 4.8k. It has been jumping between that and 5.5k all day. I smell a hardcoded minimum trader price, possibly to prevent the sort of incident that happened at the trader reset back in the days of yore.
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Nightow
lol, and I just managed to figure out how to get past those damned Charged Blacknessess. RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO!
Narcissia
i fail to see why ppl would even be complaining about perma shadow form. who cares about the economy really...shut up...go make a sin...go make some money 
Dzan
If the economy is so dead why is that I can sell things for a reasonable price and buy what I want for a reasonable price with little to no waiting? I'd say that is a healthy market economy.
If you want to talk about a bad game economy turn back the clock to a month or three after Prophecies launch when Superior Vigors were 100k, Superior monk and warrior runes were sky high and you couldn't get a perfect 15^50 weapon without selling a kidney, let alone getting one in the exact skin you wanted. That was a bad economy. By comparison, what we have now is incredibly good.
If you want to talk about a bad game economy turn back the clock to a month or three after Prophecies launch when Superior Vigors were 100k, Superior monk and warrior runes were sky high and you couldn't get a perfect 15^50 weapon without selling a kidney, let alone getting one in the exact skin you wanted. That was a bad economy. By comparison, what we have now is incredibly good.
Destiny2097
uw was always easy to farm and i remember getting at least 2ectos+ every run (took 10-15mins a run) before lootscaling was introduced which works out about the same as this new farm. also, we already get free zkeys for doing nothing every month and no one complains 
Hailey Anne
Hate to break it to you but Ectos have ALWAYS been easy to farm.
Even before the change to SF you could still maintain perma SF with A/Me
The only difference is that its slightly easier but not by much.
So this really wont hurt much more.
Even before the change to SF you could still maintain perma SF with A/Me
The only difference is that its slightly easier but not by much.
So this really wont hurt much more.
Ctb
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Originally Posted by The Way Out
Why do people bitch about stuff like this? The OP is a friggin moron... seriously.
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Some people just aren't capable of seeing past the end of their own nose... that's my take on it.
Narcissia
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Originally Posted by The Way Out
Why do people bitch about stuff like this? The OP is a friggin moron... seriously.
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im not sure, but perhaps some ppl dont understand how trader prices work?
anyway, someone can correct me if im wrong, but as far as i know trader prices r based off their own supply. yes, traders do have a supply of items, hence why they can be sold out of things such as, ooo i dunno, sup shadow runes atm.
and of course we base our prices off of the traders. so. not many ppl sell ecto to the trader bcuz they know they can get more from players. therefore, his supply is relatively low. but, im sure there are some ppl who sell ecto to him at times. hence why ecto prices drop to 4.8k from him sometimes bcuz his supply went up. then someone says "omg ecto 4.8k from trader!" /buy buy buy. and the price returns to 5.5k bcuz his supply has dropped again.
anyway, this is why ppl can have stacks and stacks and STACKS of ecto without the price dropping. the price isnt based on drop rates or how many r in circulation, its based off their supply of the item.
if u want ecto price to stay as it is, dont sell the trader ecto but buy from him to keep his supply low. *shrug* thats what i think anyway
The Way Out
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Why do people gripe about MOST of the things they whine about on this board? I mean, not that there aren't some legitimate complaints or suggestions about the game posted, but if I had to wager, I'd say I find about 98% of the complaints and "concerns" that get posted to Riverside to be complete crap.
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Darkobra
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Originally Posted by The Way Out
I would rather read through UB bitching than this.
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The Way Out
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Originally Posted by Darkobra
Ouch. And I thought I was harsh. Ursan whining is TERRIBLE!
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Stop it already. If we had it your way, I would be spamming healing breeze on everyone. hahahahaha
Monk In The Box
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Originally Posted by Kurenai Fire Sensei
Yesterday some of my friends farmed about 50e in 10 hours and i saw tons of sins soloing in ToA since SF was utaded.
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Dylananimus
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anyway, someone can correct me if im wrong, but as far as i know trader prices r based off their own supply. yes, traders do have a supply of items, hence why they can be sold out of things such as, ooo i dunno, sup shadow runes atm.
and of course we base our prices off of the traders. so. not many ppl sell ecto to the trader bcuz they know they can get more from players. therefore, his supply is relatively low. but, im sure there are some ppl who sell ecto to him at times. hence why ecto prices drop to 4.8k from him sometimes bcuz his supply went up. then someone says "omg ecto 4.8k from trader!" /buy buy buy. and the price returns to 5.5k bcuz his supply has dropped again. anyway, this is why ppl can have stacks and stacks and STACKS of ecto without the price dropping. the price isnt based on drop rates or how many r in circulation, its based off their supply of the item. if u want ecto price to stay as it is, dont sell the trader ecto but buy from him to keep his supply low. *shrug* thats what i think anyway |
RedNova88
I hope that these changes make everything so cheap that everybody can afford anything! Perhaps I'm going overboard, but I know a lot of elitist players that would probably quit if they knew that their FoW and Chaos Gloves no longer took "skillz" to get.
Now now, that's just wishful thinking...
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Wildi
The gw economy does not work, can not work and will never work. In other games there are real professions like mining, fishing and cooking. You kill a lion and sell his flesh to a cook or use it to create food. In gw, random dropps have no real use and no use means no value and you sell it to a merchant. Now since random dropps have no value, all what people can do is farming ectos or shards because those can be used to create something with higher value (to "craft" obsidian armor). Now you can nerf every skill in the game but the truth is, the economy will never work without real professions, useful items and a working auctions house.
Antheus
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Originally Posted by RedNova88
I hope that these changes make everything so cheap that everybody can afford anything! Perhaps I'm going overboard, but I know a lot of elitist players that would probably quit if they knew that their FoW and Chaos Gloves no longer took "skillz" to get.
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And there really isn't any skill difference between PB and SF builds. They are/were overpowered and allowed limitless farming.
And just like in the days of old: farm soon, farm fast. It all ends eventually.
Snow Bunny
If I may ask, how was Prot Bond so ridiculously imba? I wasn't playing when it got nerfed.
It must have been insane to go toe-to-toe with invincibility.
It must have been insane to go toe-to-toe with invincibility.
Woop Shotty
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If I may ask, how was Prot Bond so ridiculously imba? I wasn't playing when it got nerfed.
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Riceboi
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The "most skilled" players bought their FoW with Protective Bond.
And there really isn't any skill difference between PB and SF builds. They are/were overpowered and allowed limitless farming. And just like in the days of old: farm soon, farm fast. It all ends eventually. |
Age
The only thing I have to say about this relating to ectos since the other thread is closed is that some may give up on wanting to get their FoW.I have an officer who wanted FoW for his Ele his main char.He wasn't getting any ecto drops when going down there as myself he gave up on his Ele and got his Monk some acient from Elona.
This player played the game right with all charactors not getting any runs and doing all missions and quests.This is what he recieved he hasn't played in a few months although still remains an officer in my guild as has stuck it out side by side with me.He did this through grouping not farming in the UW as it is meant to be and he wasted his time doing this.
This bears nothing to those who are doing it right by partying it up and go and clear the UW.I don't see to much with ursan groups atleast they are grouping.When GW 2 comes out the prices will hit rock bottum and those that don't have their sets of FoW may get them then.
I don't see how SF is effecting the GW economy as prices were at 5.5K this morning.
This player played the game right with all charactors not getting any runs and doing all missions and quests.This is what he recieved he hasn't played in a few months although still remains an officer in my guild as has stuck it out side by side with me.He did this through grouping not farming in the UW as it is meant to be and he wasted his time doing this.
This bears nothing to those who are doing it right by partying it up and go and clear the UW.I don't see to much with ursan groups atleast they are grouping.When GW 2 comes out the prices will hit rock bottum and those that don't have their sets of FoW may get them then.
I don't see how SF is effecting the GW economy as prices were at 5.5K this morning.
ReZDoGG
I don't think it will ruin anything, I think easier farming would help the economy if anything. People will have money now!! I been selling alot of stuff lately, more than usually it seems. I been getting rid of stuff quickly. I don't think ecto drops will hurt prices of items at all, if anything it will help people make money so we can sell stuff easier. I think the last update was one of the best things Anet ever did to be honest, that and including the new skill balance system. People are actually having fun again in the game, why take away such a good thing? Things don't seem so far out of reach, like FoW armor and Chaos Gloves. Yes, more people will probably have those armors, but why not? whats wrong with people getting themselves nice stuff to feel better about playing the game? If you take away all that, less people would play, and Anet would be cattering to the rich... Richer get richer, poorer get poorer. Props to Anet, they finally doin something right these days. Anet is finally on the right track to make their games waaaay more successful.. with all these great new changes, its kinda making me alot more excited about GW2. They continue on the road to gameplay perfection... we can expect bigger and better things to come.
Prices will not go down, because people are making more money, if anything some prices might go up a bit from people having money and trying to outbid eachother. The only reason why prices go down for items, is when an Item is over farmed such as Ele Swords... thats the only reason anything goes down in prices, the more people have them the cheaper they get. In this case, Ectos have nothing to do with any of that. Best rethink your whole argument.
If it really bothers you that much that people are actually having alot more fun playing GW, then go play another game where people can be miserable such as yourself. I also don't really see the point in people complaining about good things that happen in the game? Take away all the good things, then what are you left with? jack shit thats what. Also, Gw is not a way of life, its a way to entertain ourselves, and thats means we are supposed to have FUN! Knuckleheads I tell ya...
Prices will not go down, because people are making more money, if anything some prices might go up a bit from people having money and trying to outbid eachother. The only reason why prices go down for items, is when an Item is over farmed such as Ele Swords... thats the only reason anything goes down in prices, the more people have them the cheaper they get. In this case, Ectos have nothing to do with any of that. Best rethink your whole argument.
If it really bothers you that much that people are actually having alot more fun playing GW, then go play another game where people can be miserable such as yourself. I also don't really see the point in people complaining about good things that happen in the game? Take away all the good things, then what are you left with? jack shit thats what. Also, Gw is not a way of life, its a way to entertain ourselves, and thats means we are supposed to have FUN! Knuckleheads I tell ya...
Red Sonya
Shadow Form is just fine and I'm all for it. Now EVERYONE that wants Ectos can get them and ectos will drop like ambers and jadites and EVERYONE can afford FOW armors as it should be. Just remember for everyone who doesn't like overpowered skills there's 5 more that do.
Just remember for everyone who doesn't like overpowered skills there's 5 more that do.
VanDamselx
Economy? Ha.
It's A Me
easier fow armour? im all for it. i can now finish off my bottom half of it without spending hours on end.
Nemesis of God
As nihilist / environmentalist, I don't care about economy, nor in game, nor in real life. Ecto's price already dropped from 10k to 5k, that's half of it's original price. So do I care about that it drop another half. Well, I care somehow since, then there will be more Obsidian armors = they price is dropped.
Aww well...
Aww well...
fenix
Unless ecto drops below 4k, I don't really care that much. And I doubt that will happen, since the price has been like this since duping started...and if duping can't lower the price any more than it is, then NOTHING can.
The Way Out
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If I may ask, how was Prot Bond so ridiculously imba? I wasn't playing when it got nerfed.
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the true invincamonk!!! I should turn this into an Anet bashing thread for nerfing it! hahahahaha
Yawgmoth
Then why not add a new Elite PvE skill:
God Mode 5e 10r
Elite Skill. For 5..60 seconds you are invincible (cannot be targetted and damaged). (Lightbringer Title Track)
Imagine it.
If they really added it, I'm sure there would be thousands of people defending it and saying BS like:
BS.
It's exactly the same with Shadow Form which was a superpowerful skill even before this buff, now it's just insane.
God Mode 5e 10r
Elite Skill. For 5..60 seconds you are invincible (cannot be targetted and damaged). (Lightbringer Title Track)
Imagine it.
If they really added it, I'm sure there would be thousands of people defending it and saying BS like:
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God Mode is just fine and I'm all for it. Now EVERYONE that wants Ectos can get them and ectos will drop like ambers and jadites and EVERYONE can afford FOW armors as it should be. Just remember for everyone who doesn't like overpowered skills there's 5 more that do.
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It's exactly the same with Shadow Form which was a superpowerful skill even before this buff, now it's just insane.
ElinoraNeSangre
Saying that SF will destroy the economy is like saying that dropping a nuke on a town that already had a nuke dropped on it will destroy the town...
The town is already leveled.
The town is already leveled.
Yichi
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Shadow Form is just fine and I'm all for it. Now EVERYONE that wants Ectos can get them and ectos will drop like ambers and jadites and EVERYONE can afford FOW armors as it should be.
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wilderness
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The town is already leveled.
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And FoW armour is supposed to be something of a chore/expense to attain. While not the prestigious monument it used to be, it's still enough of an achievement (especially for the not so hardcore).
Making it an easier acquisition is never a good thing.
palavar
lmao well any person who thinks it will destroy the economy is wrong its actually invigorating it. Radiant insigs are rocketing up and all shadow runes are unavailable and any greedy person like me would see the minute ectos drop to 4.5k there would be a mad dash to buy em up thus returning them to an average 5k everytime.
Alastair
The economy may experience some inflationary pricing at some levels however lets not forget that ectos are also consumable. Many people farming ectos are simply doing it for the armor. How will my set of armor affect the buying and selling of other items?
-Alastair
-Alastair
Neo Nugget
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The economy may experience some inflationary pricing at some levels however lets not forget that ectos are also consumable. Many people farming ectos are simply doing it for the armor. How will my set of armor affect the buying and selling of other items?
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Red Sonya
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ChillOutDude
So if they nerf [skill]shadow form[/skill] , i'll be back to the good old VwK (and many others).
so it won't be 10 ecto's a run , it will be 5-8 boohooo really .
so it won't be 10 ecto's a run , it will be 5-8 boohooo really .
palavar
Red Sonya you are right and also it is just a game .And heres a little story to tell people how to get over sf:
Last sunday me and a few guildies wanted to finish urgoz,and we decided to try and go without ursan(amazing another contraversal skill),I went a caster dervish ,and the others went barragers.Entered the mission killed the pop ups went to the first mob, ended up agroing the whole room and in a furiously funny fight we wiped .We were all laughing and even one suggested we try on HM.since the fun was over and we wanted it finished we resorted to plan ursan (ironic huh).
Hidden Message:Why complain about a certain skill when there are hundreds which can be put togther to make a fun build
Last sunday me and a few guildies wanted to finish urgoz,and we decided to try and go without ursan(amazing another contraversal skill),I went a caster dervish ,and the others went barragers.Entered the mission killed the pop ups went to the first mob, ended up agroing the whole room and in a furiously funny fight we wiped .We were all laughing and even one suggested we try on HM.since the fun was over and we wanted it finished we resorted to plan ursan (ironic huh).
Hidden Message:Why complain about a certain skill when there are hundreds which can be put togther to make a fun build
Alastair
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Yeah, it's what 120 ecto for a full set of FoW? Some people are also just hording their stacks of ectos, so not every ecto is being sold to people or the trader.
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There is nothing to fuss about.
-Alastair