my feeling is that ectos will drop to 4.6k then go to 5.5k and to 6k and back down and up again it will and always will.
Also who sells them to rare material trade sell them to players then it doesn't drop the price.
SF Update will destroy GW economy
English Warrior
BlackSephir
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Waves of W/Rt's have been replaced by A/E - switching one never fail build for another.
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Also, lolwut, what economy?
mwaddoups
As far as 95% of people would care, the economy is doing fine. In many mmo's, the economy is considered as doing badly when prices go up (usually caused by gold buyers, etc.)! What is so wrong with more of the average people having access to FOW armor and chaos gloves - the elitists can still have their titles, whereas your average GW player may have a chance to see more of the game, and try more of it. I think arenanet made a good decision in doing this - you'll get the annoyed people who paid 100k+1500e+75 armbraces for an eternal blade when it first came out, but now if people want one of those swords, they can work for it and get the money in a month (if a casual player) or a week (if not). But the economy is by no means being destroyed.
t00115577
Why moan about it, just jump on the gimik bandwagon and farm them aswell, otherwise please go QQ more and let us A/E at it haha. Go 55 or something rofl
Aldric
Well there's a surprise , another Dying Economy melodrama thread.
Why are low prices so bad ? Explain that to me plz ?
Also on the point you made , Ectos will not drop much in price in my view. Farming them is already easy enough with a number of builds and a SF update will probably just let you kill things 0.2356 sec faster than your Rt/ or E/ or W/ build you've been using for god knows how long.
Why are low prices so bad ? Explain that to me plz ?
Also on the point you made , Ectos will not drop much in price in my view. Farming them is already easy enough with a number of builds and a SF update will probably just let you kill things 0.2356 sec faster than your Rt/ or E/ or W/ build you've been using for god knows how long.
Grj
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0277528&page=2
A topic on the disscussion on the fastest UW clears on HM, you seem to have no problem clearing.
Ok, i'm going to call you out on this. All this is about is the fact that the sin can now farm faster and better then your terra tank.
oh btw your terra is hurting the ecomony just as much as a SF sin is, and its just as easy and "lame".
This topic is rife with a disgruntled farmer with an hidden agenda, dont claim you care about the economy.
A topic on the disscussion on the fastest UW clears on HM, you seem to have no problem clearing.
Ok, i'm going to call you out on this. All this is about is the fact that the sin can now farm faster and better then your terra tank.
oh btw your terra is hurting the ecomony just as much as a SF sin is, and its just as easy and "lame".
This topic is rife with a disgruntled farmer with an hidden agenda, dont claim you care about the economy.
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Well there's a surprise , another Dying Economy melodrama thread.
Why are low prices so bad ? Explain that to me plz ? |
The only people it's actually bad for, and who we should feel a bit of sympathy for, are those who saved long and hard (so non-farmers) for something special that they had been wanting (to have and use, not resell) and got it just a couple of days before something happened to cause a sharp drop in prices. But, unless they actually fall into the first two categories, they'll get over it quickly and go back to enjoying their new item.
cataphract
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Sjeng
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0277528&page=2
A topic on the disscussion on the fastest UW clears on HM, you seem to have no problem clearing. Ok, i'm going to call you out on this. All this is about is the fact that the sin can now farm faster and better then your terra tank. oh btw your terra is hurting the ecomony just as much as a SF sin is, and its just as easy and "lame". This topic is rife with a disgruntled farmer with an hidden agenda, dont claim you care about the economy. |
ontopic: I like the fact that PvE is now becoming more fun. People have the opportunity to do more with their characters. New cool builds are devised, which imo makes PvE more fun. Who cares if ectos get overfarmed? So more people can afford more stuff? Another thing that can make the game more enjoyable for the average PvE player. Anet did good! (besides, the economy was always a topic of discussion. It's a GAME people, who cares about it's economy?)
<3 A/E <3 Ursan <3 all that stuff!
mystical nessAL
You have some point there, but it'll still take alot of time, as peoples will see it's easier to farm ectos, more peoples will need ectos too.
Your english is fine, it was understandable and couldn't notice any major problem...
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Longasc
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Honestly, who cares anymore... Theres so much shit wrong with this game atm that its hard to find anything going right.
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A Leprechaun
I personally hope they don't nerf Shadow Form, I am totally bored of GW atm and if I can get what I want to buy in a relatively short amount of time then I am happy, I don't care if ecto price drops, it just means that FoW will be easier to get which I think is a good thing.
~A Leprechaun~
Also all the buff to SF means is that the newer players and the players with less time on there hands get get some money, the "pro" farmers have always had loads of ectos and money, now everyone can.
~A Leprechaun~
Also all the buff to SF means is that the newer players and the players with less time on there hands get get some money, the "pro" farmers have always had loads of ectos and money, now everyone can.
Abedeus
Agree with Leprechaun. I don't farm too much, and since I never get ecto (it's countable or not? ;d) in UW, I will probably farm in Tombs a bit. At least I'll get 2k in 15 minutes, relog and yay.
Jetdoc
I hate to say this, but the OP is right in that the continued buffing of PvE skills combined with the continued thinning of the playerbase will cause ecto prices to go down. Why? Supply will outpace demand.
Honestly, I really don't care whether prices continue to fall, but logically this makes sense. It wouldn't surprise me to see ectos fall to the sub-4K range in the next few months.
Honestly, I really don't care whether prices continue to fall, but logically this makes sense. It wouldn't surprise me to see ectos fall to the sub-4K range in the next few months.
Kurenai Fire Sensei
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0277528&page=2
A topic on the disscussion on the fastest UW clears on HM, you seem to have no problem clearing. Ok, i'm going to call you out on this. All this is about is the fact that the sin can now farm faster and better then your terra tank. oh btw your terra is hurting the ecomony just as much as a SF sin is, and its just as easy and "lame". This topic is rife with a disgruntled farmer with an hidden agenda, dont claim you care about the economy. |
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Ctb
Hasn't every single change ever made to the game from the very beginning destroyed the economy already, not to mention the economies of some small, developing nations and a few economies in alternate universes?
Cripes... every ****ing change in this game has destroyed the economy if you listen to enough different people around here. Newsflash: there never was any economy because almost everything that drops in GW is trash and just gets merched. Maybe this change will make it so YOU can't get as much money, but this isn't destroying the economy, just like none of the other 56,329 changes that produced "zomg this will destroy the economy!" threads have destroyed the "economy".
Quit posting these stupid threads. Every time the wind changes direction someone posts a thread about the non-existent Guild Wars "economy" is being destroyed...
I did...
Cripes... every ****ing change in this game has destroyed the economy if you listen to enough different people around here. Newsflash: there never was any economy because almost everything that drops in GW is trash and just gets merched. Maybe this change will make it so YOU can't get as much money, but this isn't destroying the economy, just like none of the other 56,329 changes that produced "zomg this will destroy the economy!" threads have destroyed the "economy".
Quit posting these stupid threads. Every time the wind changes direction someone posts a thread about the non-existent Guild Wars "economy" is being destroyed...
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The Way Out
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50 ectos per day? Damn! Are you hooked up to an IV and colostamy bag?
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btw... best UW HM time is 29 minutes. FTW!!!
Ctb
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Just for kicks and giggles, I calculated it. Based on my current ecto stash and the time it took me to get them, I'd have to play for over 15 hours to get 50 ectos.
Maybe you know some magical place where the drop rate is substantially higher, but I don't have 15 free hours a day to repetitively click icons in a video game. Even if I didn't have a job I wouldn't.
Edit: actually, that's not true. That's using my combined drop rate for shards and ectos and I get much worse drop rates on shards, so it's probably more like 10 hours a day, which is still well high enough for me to mock you.
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it looks kinda overpowered now
the farm is just too easy and very profitable i'm scared that the ecto will end up as the onyx gemstone for those who do not know about the onyx gemstone when eotn came out i think the onyx was about 5k, now it's just merely 1k if the permasin doesn't get nerfed, i hope the droprates will |
Thing is, Onyx was never a trading commodity, but Ecto is. People buy Ecto from the traders as a way to pay for high(er) end stuff - cos contrary to popular belief not everybody farms the UW when they could actually be playing the game instead
As long as people keep buying from the trader then the price will bob around the same mark. I doubt we'll ever see a drop as far as from the days it cos over 10k. When it cost over 10k not as many people played, and not as many farmed (not only Ectos, but all those shiny weapons too)...so of course it was higher. The game is now 3 years older, and people have more money - and stashes of Ecto they already farmed or bought - so they don't need to necessarily buy all their Ectos from the trader so they can trade for things. That's why it's dropped so much. People have more money over all and have for quite some time now.
Will it drop dramatically again? Highly doubtful as they're are more things in-game (minis, keys, stuff for titles) to buy...with Ecto bought from the trader (for those people that don't farm the UW). And people don't generally sell them back to the trader, so it won't drive his price down any.
That's the way I see it anyways, no need to flame if you feel the need, we all have different opinions
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The economy is already dead to be honest, and they don't care about PvE.
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HuntMaster Avatar
Time for me to build a sin.
Kurenai Fire Sensei
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btw... best UW HM time is 29 minutes. FTW!!!
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my best is 34 mins whit 2 terras and no assa
Leonhart
You know the story, greed is the source to most problems, keep everything to yourself...greedy little OPer
The Way Out
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I laugh at the people who have the spare time to sit in front of the computer clicking the same icons again and again long enough to make 50/e per day. We could start a comedy club together.
Just for kicks and giggles, I calculated it. Based on my current ecto stash and the time it took me to get them, I'd have to play for over 15 hours to get 50 ectos. Maybe you know some magical place where the drop rate is substantially higher, but I don't have 15 free hours a day to repetitively click icons in a video game. Even if I didn't have a job I wouldn't. Edit: actually, that's not true. That's using my combined drop rate for shards and ectos and I get much worse drop rates on shards, so it's probably more like 10 hours a day, which is still well high enough for me to mock you. |
On another note, this is nothing new. I made 4 million back when CoF runs first started (600/smite). I was selling Muraki's Reaver for 15k and netting 20k for paid runs every forty minutes (excluding any golds, rin relics, charr carvings, ele swords, or greens I got during the runs). I bought my obi armor in three days of grinding.
I would rather do things the simple, fast, and easy way in order to not have to cry about being broke all the time. Feel me?
The Red Messenger
My money is in lockpicks. the most stable, needed commodity that doesnt go up or down. Anet seems to be pulling strings on ecto prices anyway...since a few times they have went WAY down in price for an unknown reason, and shot right back to their starting point in minutes. they used to vary more, but now they seem extremely stable at 5.5 @ trader. i think ectos are safe, but picks are the safest bet.
The Way Out
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My money is in lockpicks. the most stable, needed commodity that doesnt go up or down. Anet seems to be pulling strings on ecto prices anyway...since a few times they have went WAY down in price for an unknown reason, and shot right back to their starting point in minutes. they used to vary more, but now they seem extremely stable at 5.5 @ trader. i think ectos are safe, but picks are the safest bet.
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Tyla
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Soul Reaping exists in PvP with no major problems these days.
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NickelPlate
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Ecto has stayed at 5.5k for what a week + now? I don't think it will ruin the economy.
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aapo
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If they are to nerf this, they would also hit Ursan, SY, TNTF, ERenewal and Soul Reaping.
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Unreal Havoc
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I'm tired of hearing this crap when the update really did nothing above what could already be done?
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Ctb
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That's why I don't have the armor.
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To each their own. I'll never have the patience to sit and do that, and I don't find it impressive that anybody else does.
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Few people find clicking 8 icons in sequence for 30 hours to be "fun". Unfortunately, it's ANET's idea of end game content.
Meh, whatever. I got 1100 hours of entertainment for about $150. Hard to beat that conversion rate.
The Way Out
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3 ectos per 15 minutes and 30 hours of grind time. That's slightly better than what I was facing just doing 15/30 minute solo UW and FoW runs.
That's why I don't have the armor. I'm not arguing with you, you know. We both figured about the same amount of time to grind out the mats and money using two different methods. I'm just saying I can't imagine having that much free time, or being so bored with my free time that I would confuse repeatedly clicking the same 8 icons over and over for hours at a time with something that was fun and worthwhile. To each their own. I'll never have the patience to sit and do that, and I don't find it impressive that anybody else does. I would rather just not play a broken game... so I don't anymore. Feel me? Few people find clicking 8 icons in sequence for 30 hours to be "fun". Unfortunately, it's ANET's idea of end game content. Meh, whatever. I got 1100 hours of entertainment for about $150. Hard to beat that conversion rate. |
Also, the game itself is boring as hell. I have done everything already. I do UW or FoW now to beat my best times and to socialize with friends. Everything else sucks. Seriously, if you are playing this game and find it challenging, hats off to you. I don't find it difficult in NM or HM. Once I learned the mechanics and skillsets, the game became dead to me.
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y economy is already dead but SF uptade will COMPLETELY destroy the gw economy. farming 50e/day i could buy a fow in 2 days, chaos gloves in 1,5 days, eternal in 4-5 days and high-end minis in a few weeks. SF must have a nerf
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& how in hell's name can people farm 50e's a day ; i got mentally disturbed if i do the same 2 missions in a week ;
and tbh ; i don't care anymore .. I enjoy my 15k armors ; non-req9 items .
I'd rather spent my sunday evening playing PvP and going to dungeons with my brother with wacky builds than farming .
Ctb
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I got to 45 ectos and gave up. It's just plain, freaking boring. In reality, at the rate I was working on it, it would have taken me 3 months, easily, to get the armor. Which would be okay if there was anything else to do to fill the in-between time when I wasn't farming.
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Yawgmoth
There are 2 problems - with imbalanced skills hurting the game experience as a whole and with easy overfarm hurting the economy.
And in current world both are connected.
Even completely forgetting about the economy, ridiculously overpowered skills and builds (like infinite god mode) should not exist, if they are found they should be nerfed both in PvP and PvE.
I abused imba skills and builds for profit whenever it was possible (in PvE only) but I've always felt it's just wrong, that it should be nerfed. And I always welcomed the nerfs of imba stuff, even if it destroyed my current way for easy cash.
People should stop being greedy and only thinking of easy profit.
And as for damaging the economy issue - imba skills aren't the only factor, more important is how widespread the knowledge of abusable builds and their popularity is. Buffing of already stupidly powerful skills like SF makes their abuse evn easier, accessible for the masses and this is where the real damage comes from.
And in current world both are connected.
Even completely forgetting about the economy, ridiculously overpowered skills and builds (like infinite god mode) should not exist, if they are found they should be nerfed both in PvP and PvE.
I abused imba skills and builds for profit whenever it was possible (in PvE only) but I've always felt it's just wrong, that it should be nerfed. And I always welcomed the nerfs of imba stuff, even if it destroyed my current way for easy cash.
People should stop being greedy and only thinking of easy profit.
And as for damaging the economy issue - imba skills aren't the only factor, more important is how widespread the knowledge of abusable builds and their popularity is. Buffing of already stupidly powerful skills like SF makes their abuse evn easier, accessible for the masses and this is where the real damage comes from.
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Unless something major changes in the supply or demand, I don't see the price changing drastically one way or the other.
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That can only put a downward pressure on ecto prices. How significant that pressure will be, however, is subject to debate.
bhavv
Snow Bunny
Ecto is at 5.5k
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aB-
I don't really see how the change to SF has changed anything. Ecto could still be farmed before the update and still can be. Nothing has changed.
romeus petrus
We have a contest among some guildies on whos going to make one stack of ectos with SF first. Some are getting 50-60 ectos in a few hours of farming..
All I'm going to say is: enjoy it while it lasts!
All I'm going to say is: enjoy it while it lasts!