Nerf of Shadow Form ;

Nope. Mindblades have Migraine and Power Leak, Terrorwebs have Meteor Shower, Lava Font and Mark of Rodgort. Charged Blackness have Shock and Whirlwind....etc

All those are Prophecies skills.

SF does need a nerf - because its just a joke.

i want to see PVE go in one of 2 directions:

1 - fix the imbalanced skills, overly abused ones and restore balance to the game

or

2 - make each class overpowered in its own right. sin has SF. Ele has ether renewal. imbagons have imbagon. lets buff other stuff for every pve so any class can get godmode without breaking out the ursan + cons.

i think ranger needs a godmode next...

Nerf Ursan first and then we can talk.

Not happening, and neither is a SF nerf.
A-Net have finally decided to let the majority of players enjoy the WHOLE game, so get used to more and more Uber Skills in PvE. You can either bitch on forums or go and play the game, they don't give a sh_t.

As much as like to see a balanced game, the feeling you get solo-ing 50+ Mindblade Spectres at a time is insane.

A game is supposed to be fun, PvE was never more to me then some title grinding and or money/farming.

Now, that has changed. The feeling U get, when you're running around in the absolute Godmode is insane. THIS IS what PvE should be. I did, on my own, what 8 people more often than not can't do: Walk across the intire UW, saying "fcuk you" to all the creatures that comes near, and then farming them for some Ecto's.

No, don't nerf SF, buff other sheit, that's why Anet splitted PvE/PvP in the first place no?

Congratulations for stating the obvious. Carebears ftw.

Someone made a really good point in my alliance. They said that anet won't nerf shadow form because it is a way for people to farm and max out their HoMs. Thus making them want to buy GW2 even more :P

I don't think it will get nerfed.

Interesting that everyone discusses about the solofarm build then.

Please pick your words with more care, your post is a bit insulting.

LMAO

Has perma-sf sin become the new ursan? (meaning is it the next thing we are going to see hundreds of similar threads all basically QQ-ing about an overpowered skill in PvE)

Let's be honest, GW1 is on it's final lap and GW2 is about to pick-up the baton and run onwards, who honestly cares about PvE imbalance anymore.

Before perma-sf or Ursan is nerfed a HUUGE step back needs to be taken and nerf 55 builds (both monk and necro), then onto terra tank warrior, about 15 different ele farming builds, 330 rit and the list continues, why should all these be nerfed?? because of the "GODMODE" that they grant, 55 monk has been in the game literally since day 1 (even better thay have just rebuffed this old farming build with the buffed mystic regen lol) so there is 3 years of past nerf-age (a word ???) before we even hit ursan or the re-buffed perma-sf

I will say similar to what I have said in the past, ppl will continue to whine about certain skills or certain skill bars regardless what nerf's/buffs are implemented, when will you be happy? when we all have no skills,weapons etc... and just hit each other with pointy sticks?

it boils down to 1 simple thing, if you don't like it then don't use it, but stop whining when other people do use it.

You mean my post to OP? Maybe a bit. But he wants to change SF yet he doesn't use it! I don't use Ursan and I'll never complain about it because it doesn't affect me, I don't care about it. It's like, if you don't watch "Married With Children" because you don't like it but still write to FOX or whoever to get it taken off air. Did you think that other people might watch the show and like it, and you're ruining their fun? That's why I got annoyed and wasn't all nicey, nicey to the OP. He has a problem with me having fun!

There is not such a thing as 'balance' in PvE.

Only 'limitation of the excess'.

IF SF is excessive, then sooner or later they will nerf it... sooner... or LAAATER... XDDD.

You can farm many places being completely immune with Monks and Elementalists. Why not with assassins?
It's not like you can go even to enchant removing areas unlike them. Anywhere Obsidian Flesh would be removed, Shadow Form will be removed too.

I agree wholeheartedly. /notsigned to the OP.

/signed wholeheartedly

imbalanced skills should be nerfed in both PvP and PvE, for the health and integrity of the game as a whole, to prevent degenerate playstyles. There are more skills than just SF that deserve a nerfbat hit in PvE. And nerfing specific farm spots instead of imba skills isn't the way to go - imba skills can lead to different locations abuse just aswell.

SF should have a line added "This skill is disabled for 60 seconds", and duration should be like it was before the recent buff.

*It was still an awesome powerfull and highly uselful skill* and it would remain that. But balanced.

No skill that's so godly powerful should be possible to be maintained 24/7, there should be downtimes. Obsidian Flesh would probably need a similar nerf aswell, although it's nowhere near SF overpowered level (it's Very Slow and has many more counters)

SF, despite popular belief, did not open any new doors. Everything a SF sin can do could be accomplished before, but with different professions and skills. The buff just made farming and running easier and more readily accessible to others. Sure, you could probably beat some areas (storyline) of PvE with a SF sin alone, but who would honestly want to? If you want a single player game, you wouldn't have bought a MMO.

/not signed

sick of hearing about this. like anet cares that YOU want it nerfed or dont want it nerfed. they do what THEY want. soo threads like this r pointless


whether they nerf it or not, it wont be bcuz u wanted it to be

/requestlock

We've seen enough bashing. Just end his misery

Exactly. Now I'm just waiting for them to remove the minion limit next. =)

I'm waiting for the un-nerf of [Spirit Bond]. Come on Anet, you know you want to.

im sure people wouldve done fow/uw clears if there was a reason. before HoM, EoTN, and ursan. there was no reason. no statue in the HoM, no end chest.
but i do agree with u that thats probably why they add things like this. to make old stuff more appealing.

also, i still stand by my idea that things like ursan and SF shouldnt bother ppl. if u dont like them? dont use it. hows it effecting u if more ppl farm ectos? the price of ecto isnt getting effected much at all. which is probably why anet hasnt touched it.

The best thing a net could do is revert skill abck to they pre eotn state and make the eotn pve skills only useable in they home territory and maybe home dungeons too (maybe)
/signed and boosted
but anet will never do it kauz the noobs would start whining

stop complaining about SF already.

Honestly, as stated before, there are other builds out there that can do the exact same thing (solofarming chaos plains) yet all people whine about is SF this, SF that, ...

Well if they nerf SF they should take SY & Ursan down also. Oh wait, nerf 55hp, vwk, earthtanks, barrage and arcane echo also.. Just nerf everything.

All that for 1 skill? Id hate to miss Patient Spirit, Spotless,....... on my monk
So, that kinda the worst idea around.

Wtf r u lads whining for, ofcourse there shouldn't be a permanent god mode in this game, end of story.

Then give a reasonable way to make pve balanced, try it instead of just criticizing like a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO! All you ppl bitch because you dont want your lame build to get nerfed, if you want a game with kid's mode go find one, but gw was supposed to be a game where the player's skills counted that was they selling argument on the gw proph box.

/not signed
stop complaining about SF already.

u ppl saying "omg SF = perma god mode" r kind of silly. perma god mode = no counters. lets see. u aggro charged blacknesses and cant get them off, shock shock shock, ur screwed. lag over traps or behemoths blocking path, ur screwed. dont pay attention, shadowform wears off ur screwed. use shadowform somewhere with sig of disenchant, ur screwed. touchers, ur screwed. see the point? no, some of those things arent in uw (or would be ur own fault), but some r. perma GODmode, to me anyway, suggests no counters. guess what? theres counters to SF. perhaps leaving shadowform the way it is would be fine and just change spawn points/skills in uw. couldnt complain about SF nerfs... and i think itd be funnier that way.

ecto has always been easy to farm, perma shadowform was available before the update and is just mode widely known now. do everyone a favor, stop complaining

ya but you'd have to be pretty dumb to use SF in a place with its counters there.

well obv. but that isnt what im saying. im saying that there are counters, so calling it godmode is silly

yahoo, it died at last \o/.

I did. It's called GW. Yeah right.

Get used to it. There will be more buffs to come.

[skill]Disenchantment[/skill], [skill]Expunge Enchantments[/skill], [skill]Shock[/skill]+[skill]Lift Enchantment[/skill], [skill]Signet of Disenchantment[/skill], [skill]Signet of Humility[/skill]. We won't get into the interrupt signets with 1/4 casting time compared to SF's 1 second.

All mean instant death.

ya and its still fewer counters than just about everything else.

having counters =/= balanced

[Disenchantment] Won't work. The projectiles are "attacks." That's what made Scar Eater farmable.

The rest of this thread is obviously mindless flame bait.

Normally, I'm against these sort of overpowered PvE things, like UB, but this time, I just like it too much. I mean, come on, like 5 ectos in 20 minutes? (on average)
Even I can't complain, and I'm a major QQer.

every "nerf xxx -thread" is a QQ thread, you can discuss about it, as much as you want, because would it not be a QQ thread, you'd not care about that skill.

You don't like the skill, don't use it. Same valid argument, as for Ursan Blessing, which is even easier to handle, as SF, where you just need 1 skill and press 1,2,1,2,1,2

In SF, you need 2 skills to keep it up perma, it has limited places to use, you can use it only at spots, where you don't have to fear about foes, that strip you your enchantments permanetly...

so when Anet has to change anythign about farming or so, they just need to set of the farmign spots full of mosnters, which have skill bars full of enchant removers and BANG. .bye bye SF farming, because there exist no skills, that protect you from being enchant stolen by foes. no mantra, no spirit, no skill, no spell, no nothing else...

Shadow Form was everfrom the begin only just a Farming Skill, now Anet made it for PvE a better farming skill, because it pvp ists complete useless, there you get your SF quicker remove by the foes, than you can say SHIT, unless that skill was(is) bugged and blocks off also enchant remover spells from foes, like hostile attack spells

So why do you care about a for 100% farming concepted Skill.

When its not being jealous, then its being SELFISH, because of beign one of the super rich snobs, that don't grant poorer (casual) players to receive also a bit easier rare materials or whatever , wherever you farm as SF (mostly this Skill has become famous for the raptor farm method lastly since EotN got released)
You can't just accept, that anet might eventually want to reduce the retarded grind of FoW Armors I believe or general farming of Ectos. 8this stuff drops in the end rare enough, cause of Loot Scaling and FoW/underworld beign completely overfarmed since nearly 3 years) Just think on the number of players, which go to these 2 places daily to farm there ...just to receive one day enough ectos and shards for some FoW Armor pieces

Before that release I never heard that much of QQ about SF beign used to farm with it Ectos so more effectively, than before SF got changed.

/notsigned

Another epic post by Phoenix Tears.

Making a complaint isn't crying.

And those are just the skills that actually remove SF - don't forget there are a lot of damage skills that go through it. Any kind of AoE dmg, traps, touch skills, and skills that target the caster such as reversal of damage, retribution, vengeful weapon, riposte etc. And don't forget energy denial skills such as fear me - if those spike just as you need to recast sf you will be dead very fast.

What is comes down to is that there are plenty of counters. The buff to SF really only made a handful of spots especially easy and a few spots easier than they they were before. You can't really pop on SF and run through the whole game like some kind of god-mode.

Course, all the crying isn't really about "god-mode" It's really just about the one run where suddenly a person can get a lot of ectos. Frankly - I think that's a good thing. It's about time the average player was able to make a bit of cash from something other than running CoF. And if the prices of some rare weapons start to rise because of a new infusion of cash - all I can say is "Yay - it was about time!"

Get over it

I don't know about you, but all those seem viable for a nerf to me. Maybe I just enjoy balance more than the average GW player.

Yep the better the balance the better, even though Sf is now at another lvl of godness than barrage and the other mentioned skills

I like people like the op. They post something stupid and disappear.

And when was there ever balance in GW? There have always been unbalanced "farm builds".