I kinda agree with the OP. I also agree with all the replies that say "if you don't like the conditions, don't join the run". I would never join a runner that asked me to participate in the run. It's no longer a run then.
Where do you draw the line?
- Runner will run CoF, except you need to help heal the runner.
- Run to Droks! 3k. Just bring "Charge!"
- Run to Droks! 3k. You need to kill the wurms. I'll do the rest.
- Running Hell's Precipice Mission. Please bring winter and extinquish on your bars.
- Running from Ascalon to LA. Must help fight thru Travelers Vale and Iron Horse.
At what point does it cease to be a run and turn into a pug trying to complete the dungeon/mission/journey together?
Cathedral of Fools
TheRaven
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I think what's at the crux of this discussion is that certain people want to either impose or at least convince everyone else that their level is the correct one.
Sorn Xarann
lol i thought this post might have been about the church, good post though! 
Kikuta
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lol i thought this post might have been about the church, good post though!
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imnotyourmother
my two cents.
When I pay someone to run me. I start to dance, dance dance!!!
If it is MY gold that you want then it is YOUR responsibility to EARN IT! Having to be run and missing stuff along the way is is ....I will F.U.B.A.R. you in RL if I could get my hands around your THROAT type reaction in my gut.
Greedy little buggers is all i have to say.
Just because someone asks 2K to do the run does not mean that 2k has to be paid. People forget about the Monk Strike???
Geesh.
When I pay someone to run me. I start to dance, dance dance!!!
If it is MY gold that you want then it is YOUR responsibility to EARN IT! Having to be run and missing stuff along the way is is ....I will F.U.B.A.R. you in RL if I could get my hands around your THROAT type reaction in my gut.
Greedy little buggers is all i have to say.
Just because someone asks 2K to do the run does not mean that 2k has to be paid. People forget about the Monk Strike???
Geesh.
Rakim B
Yeah, it's possible to do it with a smiter with self heals and no superior runes, but it's slower.
Yeah, it's possible to do it with LoD instead of mantra of resolve, but it's slower and much less safe.
Apparently none of you remember how much the run used to cost and why it was dropped, annoying runners will make them disappear. If you want the run so much then roll a monk and do it yourself.
The 600 is doing EVERYTHING, you are paying someone to make you money. I can not believe I'm reading that because people have to do one thing to make $$ they will refuse to pay for a run. You are called scammers and you should be beaten.
Yeah, it's possible to do it with LoD instead of mantra of resolve, but it's slower and much less safe.
Apparently none of you remember how much the run used to cost and why it was dropped, annoying runners will make them disappear. If you want the run so much then roll a monk and do it yourself.
The 600 is doing EVERYTHING, you are paying someone to make you money. I can not believe I'm reading that because people have to do one thing to make $$ they will refuse to pay for a run. You are called scammers and you should be beaten.
Mourne
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The 600 is doing EVERYTHING, you are paying someone to make you money. I can not believe I'm reading that because people have to do one thing to make $$ they will refuse to pay for a run. You are called scammers and you should be beaten.
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I'll say it again, if the person getting ran has to participate for the run to be successful, why should that person have to pay?
Rakim B
All I am saying is that the 600 is having you heal for your benefit. He can bring another hero to heal and you'll get less drops, or he can bring a monk with no superior runes and the run will take longer. I also saw people complaining about having to use LoD, which is quite frankly retarded.
For the record, my original post was directed imnotyourmother and his completed ignorant post.
For the record, my original post was directed imnotyourmother and his completed ignorant post.
Gun Pierson
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All I am saying is that the 600 is having you heal for your benefit. He can bring another hero to heal and you'll get less drops, or he can bring a monk with no superior runes and the run will take longer.
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Rakim B
iirc I read that heros do take an unproportional amount of the drops, which is why most people do not opt to take them into elite areas. Unfortunately I have no pix so it did not happen
BabyJ
This whole thread is why I NEVER run cof anymore. And when I did I never asked anyone to bring anything except Light of Deldrimor. People would heal my hero and then at least 1 person would demand that I reduce the price cause they helped when I never asked them to. And you can bet your ass that I have refunded peoples money and left them standing plenty of times cause of the 1 noob that demanded a price reduction. You get noobs that like to run up beside you while your killing a mob and I end up dieing because of that then I'm "such a noob runner". Or they aggro the spiders while I'm killing one side and get my smiter hero killed and I'm the "noob" for that. I could go on and on about the retarded things that happen but you get the point. So yeah, more power to the runners that do that still cause frankly 2k a person is not worth the time for the retards that like to aggro the radar and get themselves killed and I'm the noob runner because of that.
I also get runs on my 2nd monk that i don't want to set up as a 600 and I don't mind either bringing LoD or mending to throw on the smiter. It's not like I have anything else to do except watch TV.
For me clicking LoD every 5 mins or so is not that big of a deal. Your only actually paying 500g for the run anyway cause you get 1.5k back with the reward.
So you can either
A) stand back and do nothing and be bored out of your mind and let another person click mending at the start of a level.
B) Click on mending at the start of a level and still be bored out of your mind.
Decisions! Decisions!
I also get runs on my 2nd monk that i don't want to set up as a 600 and I don't mind either bringing LoD or mending to throw on the smiter. It's not like I have anything else to do except watch TV.
For me clicking LoD every 5 mins or so is not that big of a deal. Your only actually paying 500g for the run anyway cause you get 1.5k back with the reward.
So you can either
A) stand back and do nothing and be bored out of your mind and let another person click mending at the start of a level.
B) Click on mending at the start of a level and still be bored out of your mind.
Decisions! Decisions!
Gun Pierson
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iirc I read that heros do take an unproportional amount of the drops, which is why most people do not opt to take them into elite areas. Unfortunately I have no pix so it did not happen
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TheRaven
This may come as a shocker to a lot of players out there, but it's possible to complete CoF HM on your own without relying on a runner. I did it in about a half hour with my heroes and henchies.
Nope, I'm not a monk either.
Or an Ursan.
Who needs a run? Just grab some competent friends or heroes and finish it yourself.
Nope, I'm not a monk either.
Or an Ursan.
Who needs a run? Just grab some competent friends or heroes and finish it yourself.
januscht
whines and more whines
ppl that take cof runs are not only cheap but lazy. dungeons runs are very different of other runs as droks, droks run get you from point a to b. dungeon runs not only get you reputation, get you drops, hiddens, locked chests, dungeon chest, title pts and book entry
you say 2k is a "standar fee", pffft. a runners spends 50 mins of his time to earn 12k if no one leaves or scams him, its not worth it, there are other dungeons with similar dificulty and same time consuming AND YOU CAN MAKE 15K PER CUSTOMER.
really, stop bitching at runners, just dont hire them if you dont like the terms, take your heros or make a ursan team and do it yourself, STOP BEING LAZY AND CHEAP
if you are asking for so much quality for a service as this, then i think would be fair to raise the fees, as in real life, a top quality service requires a high fee, would you pay????? ive seen tons of times people going with the clearly inexpert runer over the experienced just because the inexpert is running for tips
that would be nice to see :\
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- Run to Droks! 3k. Just bring "Charge!"
- Run to Droks! 3k. You need to kill the wurms. I'll do the rest. |
you say 2k is a "standar fee", pffft. a runners spends 50 mins of his time to earn 12k if no one leaves or scams him, its not worth it, there are other dungeons with similar dificulty and same time consuming AND YOU CAN MAKE 15K PER CUSTOMER.
really, stop bitching at runners, just dont hire them if you dont like the terms, take your heros or make a ursan team and do it yourself, STOP BEING LAZY AND CHEAP
if you are asking for so much quality for a service as this, then i think would be fair to raise the fees, as in real life, a top quality service requires a high fee, would you pay????? ive seen tons of times people going with the clearly inexpert runer over the experienced just because the inexpert is running for tips
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Just because someone asks 2K to do the run does not mean that 2k has to be paid. People forget about the Monk Strike???
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Sir Owns Alot EP
The worst part about CoF runners is actually their arrogance. I've seen many a time where they increased the price to 2.5k just because they know everyone will pay for it, and there's no arguing with them. What's worse however, is when they decide that they don't like the group their running. One guy on a team once decided that he was going to explore CoF, and granted, thats relativley stupid, but he didn't aggro any enemies, so it was fine by me. But the runner (mind you, this is one the third level), decided he hated us because we didn't "restrain" the explorerer, and left us.
Sparks Dawnbringer
Actually, you don't have to take their run. I've gone on that run and as I monk I usually heal the runner if needed. Like how hard is it to hit heal party or LoD. I'd rather hit a button once in a while than loose and have to start over. Just because it's a run dosen't mean you have to do nothing, but pick up loot. You got 8 skill slots might as well take something will help. And if you want to do the run by yourself and take all the loot for yourself.
Solas
No one has to pay, Really at the end of the day is it worth 2k for you to casually heal or go in a normal group?
i wouldnt really pay it unless i could go afk or if i was really bored.
i wouldnt really pay it unless i could go afk or if i was really bored.
Lalamika
I used to run CoF for people, but I stopped doing it for random pugs. Reasons why was the fact that I always got the groups that would run up to me just to get a drop when I haven't even finished killing the mobs. I ask if someone would heal my smite, but usually, I have guild members or a friend in the run or I just bring another hero to heal. (It isn't really that hard.) You do realize that mostly out of kindness, people getting ran have a healing build anyway.
So even if you don't ask, someone has a heal in your party (sometimes). I'm one of those rare people that run it for free, because personally, I don't like paying 2k for someone who is gonna half ass the run (i.e. skipping entire rooms, not getting hiddens, etc etc).
What I don't understand is this qualm about not healing the smite. It only takes a second. 1 second, especially if you're a monk, to fire off one spell. Or simply put mending on. I can understand if the runner is a retard and is one of those people that just started using the build that same day. Also, as far as runners dying on the first floor: shit happens. Shit being lag, power block or some retarded anet thing. Trust me, it's happened to me a whole bunch of times. I think when that happens the keyword is patience. I could understand if the guy died on every single mob on either of the floors and is still demanding a 2.5k run. (Yeah, I'd leave that one, or refuse to pay.)
But then again, I guess I'm a rarity in the GW world.
So even if you don't ask, someone has a heal in your party (sometimes). I'm one of those rare people that run it for free, because personally, I don't like paying 2k for someone who is gonna half ass the run (i.e. skipping entire rooms, not getting hiddens, etc etc).
What I don't understand is this qualm about not healing the smite. It only takes a second. 1 second, especially if you're a monk, to fire off one spell. Or simply put mending on. I can understand if the runner is a retard and is one of those people that just started using the build that same day. Also, as far as runners dying on the first floor: shit happens. Shit being lag, power block or some retarded anet thing. Trust me, it's happened to me a whole bunch of times. I think when that happens the keyword is patience. I could understand if the guy died on every single mob on either of the floors and is still demanding a 2.5k run. (Yeah, I'd leave that one, or refuse to pay.)
But then again, I guess I'm a rarity in the GW world.
Cab Tastic
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On a side note I still haven't found a good reason why Life Attunement is in many of the CoF builds. To me it is a waste of a skill slot. With Life Attunement you can goto full health in 3 to 4 hits with Spirit Bond and without Life Attunement it is about 7 hits. It appears to be redundant.
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BadgerznPie
In my opinion, it's not big deal. Clicking a heal every no and then is just as much effort as picking up a drop. I might see your point that maybe it shouldn't be considered a run becuase of the fact you are contributing to it, however, I feel that QQ'ing about being repayed a small amount of money is also more effort than clicking mending. That's my opinion
Incandecree
I guess I am jaded by many things. I know about the horror stories about PUGs getting irate at one another and leaving. My thoughts are that it is my chest run and people are tagging along. I have started with a full group and ended up with 2 or 3 people left because of fights while I was running. Was it because I died? That rarely happens but it does if I am rushing it. Then you have the occasional PUG that will go afk on the third level in an effort to not pay. That is no skin off my back and I will not wait around waiting to see if the person comes back. That is my issue with one person and not the rest of the group. It isn't worth it standing around waiting for someone and worrying about another 2k. What goes around comes around.
Also there are times when I get to Murakai I tell the people that it was a free run for some reason. Maybe the conversation in the group was funny to listen to and made me laugh. Maybe it was someone's birthday. Again, what goes around comes around. Sometimes when that happens people still will pay me something sometimes they don't but I am there for my enjoyment and hopefully people had fun along the way.
The reasons I am in the dungeon are: chests and hidden chests. Chests for lockpick retention and the hiddens for lockpicks and crafting materials. Therefore I am going to hit almost all Locked Chests and every hidden treasure.
Also there are times when I get to Murakai I tell the people that it was a free run for some reason. Maybe the conversation in the group was funny to listen to and made me laugh. Maybe it was someone's birthday. Again, what goes around comes around. Sometimes when that happens people still will pay me something sometimes they don't but I am there for my enjoyment and hopefully people had fun along the way.
The reasons I am in the dungeon are: chests and hidden chests. Chests for lockpick retention and the hiddens for lockpicks and crafting materials. Therefore I am going to hit almost all Locked Chests and every hidden treasure.
A11Eur0
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I'm sorry but smiters have the possibility to bring heals - as a smiter, I take heal sig. with 3 tactics AND IT WORKS. I don't even spam it all the time. I do NOT require outside heals, and if I run guildies, alliance members and friends through it it's up to them. I don't mind them bringing heals, but I certainly don't require them to. After all I run 'em for free...
When I take a run, I pretty much expect the same thing. Why should I pay to complete it with them? I really don't get it, sorry. I really don't. It's like paying someone else to run yourself... then again I took 2 runs, the duo asked for some people to take heals and one to go full heal. On the other hand, I make more than 2k just getting ran (made over 15k last time I got ran). The price itself doesn't bother me at all... but if you rely on your party members to succeed something you can do with 2 people, that's not a "run"... |
Sora267
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When I smite, I take BiP. Can't take Heal Sig. Sig of Devotion kinda sucks. That's pretty much your only two options.
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Tutis Evito
I 600/smite with just me and my hero, my hero has sig.of devotion and as a pervious poster said, as long as i dont tank to many banshee's he is fine.
OK so in 2 or 3 places i cannot group 2 groups up and kill then, i have to do them indervidually,this really doesnt take much more time, and due to this I dont require any heals...
Most 600's use MoR in there....really you can get away without it and use SQ to make spell breaker recharge quicker...
I dont know why runners require heals....not needed
OK so in 2 or 3 places i cannot group 2 groups up and kill then, i have to do them indervidually,this really doesnt take much more time, and due to this I dont require any heals...
Most 600's use MoR in there....really you can get away without it and use SQ to make spell breaker recharge quicker...
I dont know why runners require heals....not needed
Jenn
I used to run CoF alot, and I can guarantee you that you do NOT need someone to heal your smiter. What you need to do is not be a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing idiot. Most people who run CoF are brainless button mashers that don't look before they leap. They are really, really bad. LOOK at the group and see how many Banshees are in it. A hero smiter can usually handle 3-4 Banshees before Reversal of Damage eats them. So go ahead and aggro a couple groups if it doesn't have that many Banshees - and if there is a lot, aggro less groups at a time.
I have never taken it upon myself to ask a client to bring heals because that is not their job. I and my hero are properly equipped to deal with any circumstances within our control. IF there are people in the group with heals, great, it WILL speed things up because then I can aggro like a mad monkey.
But truthfully, most CoF runners are quite bad at the game, they just have a bit of button mashing coded into their heads - they're probably not that much different than most other PUGs you'll pick up in the game.
I just had to quote it because of how stupid that was. You do realize when you converse with someone that the IGN displayed is one of two things: The person you send the message to OR the person who sent you the message. So if you send a message to "Illfated Fat" it will show "Illfated Fat" in the greenish text because they are the person you are messaging. If I PM you, it will show "Illfated Fat" as the person who is sending you a message. For future reference... don't post things like that XD. It's embarrassing.
I have never taken it upon myself to ask a client to bring heals because that is not their job. I and my hero are properly equipped to deal with any circumstances within our control. IF there are people in the group with heals, great, it WILL speed things up because then I can aggro like a mad monkey.
But truthfully, most CoF runners are quite bad at the game, they just have a bit of button mashing coded into their heads - they're probably not that much different than most other PUGs you'll pick up in the game.
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from the screeny above it almost seems you were in full blown conversation w yourself, or the runners name is crazy similar to your own..
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Tutis Evito
One thing that annoys the hell out of me is the 16/16 smiters in doomlore spamming LF 600 50/50, this annoys me....smite do jack...its always smite LF 600..never the other way...smites stand there, chill and maybe twice use Bip..yes twice... a experinced 600 doesnt need BiP much...let alone MoR...
I can understand a 600 LF a smite....but a smite LF a 600....lazy....
I can understand a 600 LF a smite....but a smite LF a 600....lazy....
Tyla
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And without the smiter the run won't be possible. That is why when I want to smite I bring a hero.
And without the smiter the run won't be possible. That is why when I want to smite I bring a hero.
thedarkmarine
There are terms to any service. Classic runs had the term: don't over aggro the runner. This has: please help heal some. Most MMO's have an entire EULA.
If you don't like the terms of the service, do not buy it.
If you don't like the terms of the service, do not buy it.
Tutis Evito
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My main point was the fact that the smiters role is so miniscule that its always more efficent to take a hero...
Like i said im surprised smiters look for 600's makes much more sense to 600 themselves and hero as a smiter
chfanfiction
Usually what I do when it comes to smiting is ask runners if they have a hero and if I can tag along and smite instead.
Gwmaster
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/in...df2d45752e7f99
lol i had to do something...
lol i had to do something...
Kusandaa
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When I smite, I take BiP. Can't take Heal Sig. Sig of Devotion kinda sucks. That's pretty much your only two options.
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byteme!
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When I smite, I take BiP. Can't take Heal Sig. Sig of Devotion kinda sucks. That's pretty much your only two options.
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A11Eur0
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I've done the run without a BiP a lot of times as a 600, and I was never asked to carry it as a smiter. 'Course I spam Blessed Sig whenever I can, and I never rush for energy. By the time SB's recharged, between the mobs, so did my energy.
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ShadowsRequiem
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from the screeny above it almost seems you were in full blown conversation w yourself, or the runners name is crazy similar to your own...i hear your point tho, its far from a run when the customers have to support and participate, then its more like a helping hand.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
You know what?
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO the whole concept of running, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO runners, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO those buying runs, and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO A-Net for allowing runs to even exist.
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO the whole concept of running, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO runners, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO those buying runs, and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO A-Net for allowing runs to even exist.
Kikuta
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You know what?
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO the whole concept of running, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO runners, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO those buying runs, and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO A-Net for allowing runs to even exist. |
Jenn
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You know what?
RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO the whole concept of running, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO runners, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO those buying runs, and RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO A-Net for allowing runs to even exist. |
Trub
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I lol'd. No really, I did.
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PvE Helpful Hint #19220: If your runner asks you to ping YOUR bar before the run,he maybe a redneck...
Suspicious Hermit
what the people who dont want to heal and pay fail to understand is that the runner is offering HIS SERVICE. HIS SERVICE does not necessarily include keeping his smiter alive. that is YOUR IDEA of HIS SERVICE. if HIS SERVICE doesnt float your boat, dont join. and please, please, PLEASE, dont complain about it either. complaining about another persons service and to what extent you are involved is low.
lets take the plumber. if you hire him and he shows up asking what sink to fix, are you going to not pay him? no. if he asks you to hold something for him real quick, are you not going to not pay him? maybe. if he asks you to turn his wrench a couple times, are you going to not pay him? yes.
the runner is not asking you to RUN. the runner is not asking you to APPLY ENCHANTS. the runner is asking you to HEAL HIS HERO. he cant do the run without you, and you cant do it without him.
but its HIS SERVICE anyways, so if you dont like it, gtfothanks.
lets take the plumber. if you hire him and he shows up asking what sink to fix, are you going to not pay him? no. if he asks you to hold something for him real quick, are you not going to not pay him? maybe. if he asks you to turn his wrench a couple times, are you going to not pay him? yes.
the runner is not asking you to RUN. the runner is not asking you to APPLY ENCHANTS. the runner is asking you to HEAL HIS HERO. he cant do the run without you, and you cant do it without him.
but its HIS SERVICE anyways, so if you dont like it, gtfothanks.