I'm looking for some insight on the pros and cons of each build for HM Vanquishing. Both builds are well regarded, and I'd like to hear an option on both from someone who has played with heroes set up for both. Mainly I'm wondering about speed, versatility, and ease of play. I also have a few more specific questions:
As both build use a MM, lack of corpses seems to affect both, but it seems this would affect sabway more than the discord spam. Is this the case?
Is sabway better for some areas, and discord spam more suited for others? Or does one seem pretty much better overall?
It seems like the discord build is a little more dependent on the class of the player, which is preferably a Necro, or an Assassin/Necro with popular variants using Assassin's Promise. If you're not N/A or A/N (and instead */N), does it still work well?
I'm not here to bash either build, or start a flame war, I'm just curious about what people think of both builds.
Thanks
P.S. - Links for Discord and Sabway
Sabway vs. Discord
Seventh_Samurai
Ultima pyromancer
Well although i haven't got round to using Discord, i have been using sabway for a while now.
I found that sabway is great against melee, but the lack of hex removal can sometimes become a problem.
Mainly it's degen that kills sabway. But looking at Discord, it seems to also lack hex removal, but the damage looks more consistent than sabway.
I found that sabway is great against melee, but the lack of hex removal can sometimes become a problem.
Mainly it's degen that kills sabway. But looking at Discord, it seems to also lack hex removal, but the damage looks more consistent than sabway.
zelgadissan
Discord works great for just about any non-monk caster (class X/A) since [Assassin's Promise] fits the hex and [You Move Like a Dwarf!] fits the condition, then the class can move on to spiking, hexing, whatever that class does. Only reason I say non-monk is that they probably use their elite to, you know, heal or prot.
So basically - melee, take Sabway for [Barbs], [Mark of Pain], etc. Caster with secondary assassin, take Discord. If you've got a build you love and don't want to switch it up - which is generally the way I am - Sabway offers much more flexibility in your own build.
So basically - melee, take Sabway for [Barbs], [Mark of Pain], etc. Caster with secondary assassin, take Discord. If you've got a build you love and don't want to switch it up - which is generally the way I am - Sabway offers much more flexibility in your own build.
Master Necromanz
take discord, but why do you start this thread, try it first and then make a thread about this. discord is safer and better in dmg dealing. I have vanquished and done many HM missions with discord...
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Discord works great for just about any non-monk caster (class X/A) since [Assassin's Promise] fits the hex and [You Move Like a Dwarf!] fits the condition, then the class can move on to spiking, hexing, whatever that class does. Only reason I say non-monk is that they probably use their elite to, you know, heal or prot.
So basically - melee, take Sabway for [Barbs], [Mark of Pain], etc. Caster with secondary assassin, take Discord. If you've got a build you love and don't want to switch it up - which is generally the way I am - Sabway offers much more flexibility in your own build. Melee take racway, war/para(/ranger)/assasin /dervish in my opinion.
So basically - melee, take Sabway for [Barbs], [Mark of Pain], etc. Caster with secondary assassin, take Discord. If you've got a build you love and don't want to switch it up - which is generally the way I am - Sabway offers much more flexibility in your own build. Melee take racway, war/para(/ranger)/assasin /dervish in my opinion.
Zidane Ortef
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Well although i haven't got round to using Discord, i have been using sabway for a while now.
I found that sabway is great against melee, but the lack of hex removal can sometimes become a problem.
Mainly it's degen that kills sabway. But looking at Discord, it seems to also lack hex removal, but the damage looks more consistent than sabway. Sabway is not a set build you can make small changes and modify in your own way. When they updated Hero AI for [Dwayna's Sorrow] and [Feast for the Dead] i started to use this as my MM bomber.
[Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][Feast for the Dead][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant]
This takes care of most hex problems you run into and provides some minor healing as well.
I found that sabway is great against melee, but the lack of hex removal can sometimes become a problem.
Mainly it's degen that kills sabway. But looking at Discord, it seems to also lack hex removal, but the damage looks more consistent than sabway. Sabway is not a set build you can make small changes and modify in your own way. When they updated Hero AI for [Dwayna's Sorrow] and [Feast for the Dead] i started to use this as my MM bomber.
[Animate Bone Minions][Death Nova][Jagged Bones][Dwayna's Sorrow][Signet of Lost Souls][Feast for the Dead][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant]
This takes care of most hex problems you run into and provides some minor healing as well.
Seventh_Samurai
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take discord, but why do you start this thread, try it first and then make a thread about this.
Was hoping to avoid spending money to rune/equip heroes for both well, and, even if I did, it still takes time to really get to know each build.
Pleikki
Sabway works better in my opinion, vanquished whole tyria with it, tried discord in some areas but it didnt work best in some areas in factions etc
Johny bravo
Seems like Disord takes a little more effort to work well as you have to keep conditions AND hexes on targets to get the full effect. Very potent when you can though.
As for the hex problem I addressed that a bit in my sabway build by running the SS necro as an N/Me with hex eater signet and mantra of inscriptions. In addition I run other interupting signets (or sig of humility) and only SS and Insidous. With Mantra of inscriptions up she can pretty much spam skills on recharge which is usually like 3 interupts every 10s and AoE hex removal. Seemed to work very well, for me at least. I also found the loss of enfeeble and barbs had a minimal effect on how fast I moved, I did miss barbs every once and a while though.
As for the hex problem I addressed that a bit in my sabway build by running the SS necro as an N/Me with hex eater signet and mantra of inscriptions. In addition I run other interupting signets (or sig of humility) and only SS and Insidous. With Mantra of inscriptions up she can pretty much spam skills on recharge which is usually like 3 interupts every 10s and AoE hex removal. Seemed to work very well, for me at least. I also found the loss of enfeeble and barbs had a minimal effect on how fast I moved, I did miss barbs every once and a while though.
DarkSpirit
I have tried both sabway and discordway extensively and I must say that discordway can be superior in both defense and offense. You can bring hex removal if you want too, but discord kills so quickly and has so much healing that degen hexes dont bother me anymore, unless I am playing in areas with dangerous hexes. Discordway can also do quite well even without minions.
BUT discord is only 1 skill and there are many variations of discordway ranging from the very good to the terrible. Sabway, however, is quite well known and its variations tend to be smaller.
[Healer N/Rt;OAhjUoGYIPxM1wwcyJNrqjzkLA]
[MM Protect N/Mo;OANEUshd95EzqCohqa9IgY02JA]
[Curse N/Rt;OAhkUoG4BGqTMrMgIsD7uhp0kaD]
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&postcount=39
If you are a physical attacker and you plan to bring physical henchies, then adapt the Curse N/Rt above to Channeling and bring [[Splinter Weapon] instead. If your character doesn't bring a hex, it maybe good to bring Eve, Lo Sha, or another hench that carries hexes/conditions, just in case your Curse N/Rt dies, the target can still be hexed for discord to work.
This discordway does even better if you use a necro character. This is what I use on my necro:
[AP Necro;OAdTYwD7VqM4G0OYXMmcBCRY3BA]
...and replace the Curse N/Rt above with a Putrid Bile N/Rt:
[Putrid Bile N/Rt;OAhjUoGYITxMKgDTTOSTUbVVJXA]
If you have access to a 6 necro heroes team, discordway can also be extended to form a more powerful team. Discordway is also easy to use because the AI knows to wait for both a condition and a hex before they use Discord on the target. When the target is hexed and has a condition, you can notice your team spikes it with Discord and the target's life goes down very quickly even in HM.
BUT discord is only 1 skill and there are many variations of discordway ranging from the very good to the terrible. Sabway, however, is quite well known and its variations tend to be smaller.
[Healer N/Rt;OAhjUoGYIPxM1wwcyJNrqjzkLA]
[MM Protect N/Mo;OANEUshd95EzqCohqa9IgY02JA]
[Curse N/Rt;OAhkUoG4BGqTMrMgIsD7uhp0kaD]
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&postcount=39
If you are a physical attacker and you plan to bring physical henchies, then adapt the Curse N/Rt above to Channeling and bring [[Splinter Weapon] instead. If your character doesn't bring a hex, it maybe good to bring Eve, Lo Sha, or another hench that carries hexes/conditions, just in case your Curse N/Rt dies, the target can still be hexed for discord to work.
This discordway does even better if you use a necro character. This is what I use on my necro:
[AP Necro;OAdTYwD7VqM4G0OYXMmcBCRY3BA]
...and replace the Curse N/Rt above with a Putrid Bile N/Rt:
[Putrid Bile N/Rt;OAhjUoGYITxMKgDTTOSTUbVVJXA]
If you have access to a 6 necro heroes team, discordway can also be extended to form a more powerful team. Discordway is also easy to use because the AI knows to wait for both a condition and a hex before they use Discord on the target. When the target is hexed and has a condition, you can notice your team spikes it with Discord and the target's life goes down very quickly even in HM.
Bloodseeker
Discordway works much better, i have played both builds you mention and in my experience Discordway always turned out better, look under variants though, those builds are better than the main.
Tyla
@DarkSpirit:
I don't necessarily need Signet of Lost Souls as Soul Reaping is already imbalanced enough to keep my energy maxed. [[weapon of warding] = awesomesauce.
Anyway, Discord can be put in and is only one skill making it a variable instead of a completely different build.
I don't necessarily need Signet of Lost Souls as Soul Reaping is already imbalanced enough to keep my energy maxed. [[weapon of warding] = awesomesauce.
Anyway, Discord can be put in and is only one skill making it a variable instead of a completely different build.
DarkSpirit
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I don't necessarily need Signet of Lost Souls as Soul Reaping is already imbalanced enough to keep my energy maxed. [[weapon of warding] = awesomesauce.
I have weapon of warding on one of my discord necros, in my 6-necro heroes version. But on the 3-heroes version with Herta's [[Ward against Melee] (in NF and EOTN), that is already enough, and with Aegis, WoW is not really necessary unless you plan to vanquish in Factions or Prophecies.
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Anyway, Discord can be put in and is only one skill making it a variable instead of a completely different build.
I know, which is why there are many versions of discordway that range from the very good to the terrible. A good workable Discord build should have more than 1 character, in the team, with a spammable hex and more than 1 character with a spammable condition skill. In the version that I posted above, which is modified from the official version in pvxwiki, the healing is spread across 2 characters. This is because Discord has such a short recharge and high damage, that you dont really need other damage skills. Sabway, however, has it all on 1 character which means if that character dies, there goes your spike healer. Master Necromanz
I as necro take also a discord build, foes are in so few seconds death! I love it.
-Lotus-
both work well although i prefer discord. Its the most flexable build ive ever played with, almost every skill is optional. and its only dependant on the player to apply a condition, hex and call a target, its obviously a plus to be /A, but really any class is fine.
Discord can be run however you feel like playing. from some sabway-ish MM/Curses/healer to smiters to wards to... whatever. you need to have some clue of how to design build though or youll be stuck using wiki crap all the time.
Carboplatin
hymm i would like to try out this discord build, but i play mostly a paragon.
i would probably end up dropping the imbagon bar and pick up some conditions and hexes to test it out. anyone got experience with 1 para 3 discord builds?
Accursed
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hymm i would like to try out this discord build, but i play mostly a paragon.
i would probably end up dropping the imbagon bar and pick up some conditions and hexes to test it out. anyone got experience with 1 para 3 discord builds? You could possibly use a spear damage build with maybe [Assassins Promise], along with a hex/condition henchman[s]?
Washi
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BUT discord is only 1 skill and there are many variations of discordway ranging from the very good to the terrible.
[Curse N/Rt;OAhkUoG4BGqTMrMgIsD7uhp0kaD] Talkin about bad builds. Seriously, 4 attributes and all are important, this cant work well. I myself prefer sabway since my para works well with curses necro and splinter on my n/rt. I tried discord and it is very good but I would have to drop imbagon build for it to work really, really good.
DarkSpirit
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Talkin about bad builds. Seriously, 4 attributes and all are important, this cant work well.
I myself prefer sabway since my para works well with curses necro and splinter on my n/rt. I tried discord and it is very good but I would have to drop imbagon build for it to work really, really good. Actually it does and you can still tweak the build to bring Splinter Weapon if needed. Although why would anyone even use sabway for an imbagon when he can just use Rac's build, which is designed around an imbagon in the first place? Master Necromanz
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hymm i would like to try out this discord build, but i play mostly a paragon.
i would probably end up dropping the imbagon bar and pick up some conditions and hexes to test it out. anyone got experience with 1 para 3 discord builds? Take Rac's heroes build and you as imbagon. Can vanquish almost evrything.
Washi
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Although why would anyone even use sabway for an imbagon when he can just use Rac's build, which is designed around an imbagon in the first place?
Because I don't like Rac's build. It's very good but it is not flexible. I love to play with my builds, I tweak them for almost every area and Sabway is great for that.
DarkSpirit
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Because I don't like Rac's build. It's very good but it is not flexible. I love to play with my builds, I tweak them for almost every area and Sabway is great for that.
I dont know why that is so. Every build can be tweaked.
I dont use Rac's build in its original form for my Imbagon. I use a N/Rt orders with Splinter instead of a D/N. I have also changed the paragon heroes skills. Although it is possible to use a triple necro build like sabway or discordway (with tweaking) with an Imbagon, paragon heroes synergize better with it. If you use a triple necro build, then you have to decide if you want to bring an orders necro. If you dont bring an orders necro, then you are not getting as much out of your Imbagon. If you do bring an orders necro, it is almost only for your Imbagon and not for your heroes, which is alittle overkill.
Washi
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I dont think that is true. Paragon heroes are also flexible and can take on many builds.|
Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
Although it is possible to use a triple necro build like sabway or discordway (with tweaking) with an Imbagon, paragon heroes synergize better with it. If you use a triple necro build, then you have to decide if you want to bring an orders necro. If you dont bring an orders necro, then you are not getting as much out of your Imbagon. If you do bring an orders necro, it is almost only for your Imbagon and not for your heroes, which is alittle overkill.
I was using paragons alot untill one day when I decided to H/H Slaver's in HM. Stone Summit trashed me no matter what. Then I switched to Sab's and breezed through the whole thing, I didn't even bring special skills for duncan I just stood there in a corner and killed him. That's my story, lol
DarkSpirit
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And why does an orders/channeling necro need to bring Protective was Kaolai? You already have healer henchies plus SY and TNTF.
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I tried it and liked it a little. For conditions, you can just add Barbed or Blazing Spear to your bar and stick with a typical "SY" build. Hexes were the annoying part - Parasitic Bond seemed like a good spammable hex to slap on one of the necs, then I found out hero AI is weird with it...They spend time trying to cast it on as many enemies as they can |
I was using paragons alot untill one day when I decided to H/H Slaver's in HM. Stone Summit trashed me no matter what. Then I switched to Sab's and breezed through the whole thing, I didn't even bring special skills for duncan I just stood there in a corner and killed him. That's my story, lol
Carboplatin
Rac's build have too many weaknesses. which we can save for another thread. It is good for some maps, but not others, especially an area with lots of melee hate. Rac's build is durable, but the damaging aspect of it can be easily mitigated by enemy monks. relying on all physical won't work all the time.
I like to try different team builds for fun. I can't imagine vanquishing the entire game with just one build, that would be worst then going to work.
DarkSpirit
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Rac's build have too many weaknesses. which we can save for another thread. It is good for some maps, but not others, especially an area with lots of melee hate. Rac's build is durable, but the damaging aspect of it can be easily mitigated by enemy monks. relying on all physical won't work all the time.
I like to try different team builds for fun. I can't imagine vanquishing the entire game with just one build, that would be worst then going to work. Then you can tweak it by bringing different heroes or different henchies. I am still not convinced that a generic build like triple necro sabway is the best possible hero team choice for an Imbagon. If you are thinking that way, then you are not thinking hard enough to optimize your own team build and you are just defaulting to what almost everyone uses (i.e. sabway) that's all. It has no OOP or DF. It has no paragon chants to help you maintain AR or shouts for your Imbagon. I have yet to hear any argument that supports the fact that sabway IS the best possible choice for an Imbagon other than the original Racway doesn't work well in some areas which you are suppose to tweak anyway.
Cathode_Reborn
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Originally Posted by Washi
I was using paragons alot untill one day when I decided to H/H Slaver's in HM. Stone Summit trashed me no matter what.
Well there is a crapload of anti-phys there. It's also one of the few areas in the game that actually has Soothing Images, and in HM those Stone summit can easily keep it on you the entire time. Also, if you really H/H'd Duncan in HM without consets/etc, I'd really like to see a screenshot. That place is insane in HM...
rick1027
i have found out i like the discord better then sabway when i tested both same areas discord blew up stuff quicker then the sabway build. i did use modified builds not the originals and most of the modifications were the same for both teams
Marverick
For Sabway, you really need to be a profession that can deal out a respectable amount of single-target damage. Minions and curses don't do any controllable damage and won't be able to take down priority targets.
Carboplatin
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Maybe I'm just that bad but I really don't think so. As I said earlier I like tweaking builds, I have legendary vanquisher on my ranger and soon I'll finish it on my para. And I dare you to clear Slaver's HM with racway, it just didn't work for me.|
Originally Posted by DarkSpirit
If you are thinking that way, then you are not thinking hard enough to optimize your own team build and you are just defaulting to what almost everyone uses (i.e. sabway) that's all. It has no OOP or DF. It has no paragon chants to help you maintain AR or shouts for your Imbagon. I have yet to hear any argument that supports the fact that sabway IS the best possible choice for an Imbagon other than the original Racway doesn't work well in some areas which you are suppose to tweak anyway.
Does a paragon have to play a imbagon? Can i have a little variety?
Where did I say there IS a best possible choice for an imbagon team? An Imbagon can maintain AR alone without help, so i don't need the other paras around. Is the Paragon class that limited that it can only play Imbagon or be part of a Rac'way team? To be honest, 99% of the game can be done without the use of TnTF or SY. Ever wonder why we have so many heros? It adds variety. Which is what I am seeking. This is a thread where we are discussing Discord teams right? Thx for the people that did offer some insight into Paragon + Discord Nec's p.s. I never said I was an Imbagon. I said I played a paragon. Paragon != Imbagon. edit - cause I fail at spelling 
cyber88
LOL. Yea. No 1 team build is perfect or the best. It juz depends on wat is ur preference and/or ur profession.
on 1 point, i hav to disagree with Marverick. I play a Mo/any signet smiter & the GW community general concensus is tat smite line doesn't deal respectable dmg even when spec to 16. when i run sabway, i find the spread out dmg the minions dish out is ok to me. timing wise, yes, it is slightly slower den dmg-focus prof (e.g. eles, wars, dervs) but i find no difficulty in taking out priority targets. juz my $0.02 worth Teutonic Paladin
I play DSlash SY. When I vanquish with H/H I take sabway, I feel that it is the most effective 3 hero in the game with it's massive defense and incredibly damage from a microed SS. If I'm with a friend however, we run six Discord Heroes and I run an Promise + YMLAD build. We've blown our way through many zones with no deaths and no effort on either player's part. It's rediculous.
Washi
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Well there is a crapload of anti-phys there. It's also one of the few areas in the game that actually has Soothing Images, and in HM those Stone summit can easily keep it on you the entire time. Also, if you really H/H'd Duncan in HM without consets/etc, I'd really like to see a screenshot. That place is insane in HM...
I'm not really taking screenshots of anything unless I see something weird/funny, so sorry I don't have a proof and I don't really need to prove anything. I thought it wasnt a big deal with an imbalanced stuff like imbagon and sabway. I have to say that [skill]holy spear[/skill] is a skill that rapes stone summit since most of the groups have a MM, many people underestimate that skill. You can spam it every second shot and still maintain SY.
DarkSpirit
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Ever wonder why we have so many heros? It adds variety. Which is what I am seeking. |
Quote: Originally Posted by Washi Maybe I'm just that bad but I really don't think so. As I said earlier I like tweaking builds, I have legendary vanquisher on my ranger and soon I'll finish it on my para. And I dare you to clear Slaver's HM with racway, it just didn't work for me. Then come up with your own balanced build for Slaver's HM rather than using one that almost everyone defaults to and doesn't synergize with your paragon.
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I play DSlash SY. When I vanquish with H/H I take sabway, I feel that it is the most effective 3 hero in the game with it's massive defense and incredibly damage from a microed SS. If I'm with a friend however, we run six Discord Heroes and I run an Promise + YMLAD build. We've blown our way through many zones with no deaths and no effort on either player's part. It's rediculous.
That is another advantage of Discord, it can be easily extended to a 6 heroes team.
Carboplatin
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If you are using a sub optimal build just for fun then the discussion is moot in a strategy forum.
you are once again implying there is a "best" build. If I don't use TNTF and SY imbagon then its not optimal? You sir, need to open up.
DarkSpirit
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Originally Posted by R Langdon
you are once again implying there is a "best" build. If I don't use TNTF and SY imbagon then its not optimal? You sir, need to open up.
I am not saying you should always play an Imbagon.
Since this is a discussion thread about sabway and discordway, I was hoping that you would provide a better reason to use sabway with a paragon than just: "Trying out different builds can be fun." -Lotus-
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you are once again implying there is a "best" build. If I don't use TNTF and SY imbagon then its not optimal? You sir, need to open up.
you need to face reality. an imbagon makes your party invincible in almost every area of the game.
AcousticMeanie
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you need to face reality. an imbagon makes your party invincible in almost every area of the game.
That's true...Imbagon does make you basically immune to everything, including this little thing called fun!
Let the man play his para the way he wants to, it's not like it effects you. Now lets get back to the topic Sab vs. Discord. Let's face it Monking h/h gets old so I've been trying to come up with support builds that I find fun. Anyone come up with a good way to run Discord on a Monk aside from [Assassin's Promise] + [You Move like a Dwarf]? I've been running [Assassin's Promise] + [Pain Inverter] + [Caltrops] with misc other skills filling in depending on the area such as [Summon Naga Shaman] for KD support feeding off [Enfeebling Blood] on one necro [Signet of Twilight] for enchant removal [Aegis] for endless chaining [Bane Signet], [Castigation Signet], [Signet of Rage] for minor direct damage
DarkSpirit
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That's true...Imbagon does make you basically immune to everything, including this little thing called fun!
Let the man play his para the way he wants to, it's not like it effects you. Fun is subjective, what is fun for one may not be fun for another. Everyone always has the freedom to play whatever they want in the game. It is not like any of us can control his playing style. If he wishes, he can ignore all suggestions and use the worst build in his games and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. But that is not what this discussion is about, unless you dont mind that ALL of us start posting crappy builds, from now on, with just the reason that: "it is fun for us". 
Carboplatin
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Originally Posted by -Lotus-
you need to face reality. an imbagon makes your party invincible in almost every area of the game.
so I guess you must be one of those people that use a game genie and put in god mode just since to you seem to love invincibility.
Is the will to experiment not a good enought of a reason? Almost everything we know starts with experimentation, some good, some bad, but all in the sake of experimenting and making discoveries. Can other classes try Discord way or Sabway?? of course. Will some classes be better then others? sure. Since this so called discussion of Sabway vs. Discordway prohibits the dicussion of other classes using the build that is supposed to be discussed in this thread, why don't you post this in the Necro forum, since you seem to think its a 4 Necro or nothing build.
Washi
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Then come up with your own balanced build for Slaver's HM rather than using one that almost everyone defaults to and doesn't synergize with your paragon.
wow... this is some retarded statement. What is sabway in your opinion? For me it's SS necro, MB, and N/Rt healer. That's it, no fixed builds, it's a concept. You can change most of the skills on the bars, it encourages creative thinking cause there is so much you can do. And you say like it's ursan.
You are so glued to this "synergy" you talk about but you fail to understand that Racway is worse than sabway in most difficult areas. I will not agree that it's as flexible, far from it. I played many hours using both concepts, adjusting and testing and from my experience Necros are superior in most cases, that's it. I would really like to see someone breezing through slaver's or shards with racway, seriously that would make me thinking. Untill then I can't agree with you. |
