Profession suggestion for PvE Hard Mode?

Mark of pain + spear = win. I can do that with my necro alone.
Lets see. Toxic chill, minions, discord, desacrate & copy, MoP, Barbs, blood magic (meh), and I'm too lazy to go to wiki to check the full list. No damage at all. None. I guess ANet must send some invisible unblockable physical when I go vanquishing and rape trhough about everything.

Theory is nice. Fact is necro isn't just a support class.
About discord being 37DPS, it is also an unblockable ranged damage spell with a 2s recharge and the condition being that the target is weakened.
I'm sorry but while a warrior can do great it just does not compare in a full team.

Quote: More damage, IAS, SY... 10 Fiends+Barbs kill them in seconds before your single spear warrior even makes 1 or 2 hits. And besides, warrior+necro is 2-man, while necro+fiends is still a 1-man team.

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbobusa

That wasn't my point, even if there's no necro healer in there and they both(warrior and necro teams) take monks the necros are going to do better because they don't need someone in there back do to damage in all situations

If you are going to reply SY don't bother, a dog can walk in HM with 3 mobs aggroed with this sh*t on.

Warriors are great damage dealers. Necros are also.

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Quote: Originally Posted by Dark Spirit 1) Ability for damage from spells like Discord, or minion bombing or Barbs/MoP+minions Barbs & MoP also makes physicals hurt more.

Quote: 2) Ability to mitigate damage like Enfeebling Blood, Shadow of Fear/Faintheartedness, and minion meat shields Enfeebling Blood only needs 5 for a half decent and effective investment.

Quote: 3) Support abilities e.g. Orders. Supporting physicals...

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbobusa Lets see. Toxic chill, minions, discord, desacrate & copy, MoP, Barbs, blood magic (meh), and I'm too lazy to go to wiki to check the full list. No damage at all. None. I guess ANet must send some invisible unblockable physical when I go vanquishing and rape trhough about everything. Quote: Originally Posted by Me Regardless of there being damage skills or not, it remains a support class. Not once did I say they can't bring damage skills. A few skills don't make it a damage class. READING COMPREHENSION IS WIN.

Quote: About discord being 37DPS, it is also an unblockable ranged damage spell with a 2s recharge and the condition being that the target is weakened. D-Slash is base ~60 damage at least, and can be buffed to insanity.

Epic thread derailment.

1. Necro's are meant as a support class - even if it's only their own minions. Don't go DPS racing now, you'll fall.
2. Throwing a monkey wrench in the DS War camp: the OP is going Blossom spam already. Hi Yah!

First, I wasn't being aggressive so stop answering me like that.

Quote: READING COMPREHENSION IS WIN. While warriors can do great damage, they have some support skills in the tactic line. therefore, it is a support class.
While Eles can do great damage, they have some support skills in the water/earth line. Therefore, it is a support class.
Basically that's your reasonning.
May I lol?

I wasn't comparing one warrior to a full necro team, I was comparing a warrior team to a necro team:
Quote: READING COMPREHENSION IS WIN. If you want to be an ass, apply your own rules to yourself.

Quote: D-Slash is base ~60 damage at least, and can be buffed to insanity. "block"
OWNED

Quote: Originally Posted by Turbobusa While warriors can do great damage, they have some support skills in the tactic line. therefore, it is a support class. Funny, you just used the same logic against yourself. Warriors were ment to dish out big numbers while mildly supporting their party, yet the Tactics skill line is absolute terribad?

Paragons are a support class yet they deal reasonably Warrior-like DPS at range. It makes no difference.

Quote: While Eles can do great damage, they have some support skills in the water/earth line. Therefore, it is a support class. Eles are a support class anyway, as are all other midliners.


Quote: I wasn't comparing one warrior to a full necro team, I was comparing a warrior team to a necro team:

If you want to be an ass, apply your own rules to yourself. Sorry, but I wasn't comparing it unfairly.


Quote: "block"
OWNED Targetswapping. OWNED!

The best overall DPS I have seen is still MoP+Fiends but that needs to be setup right.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tyla Barbs & MoP also makes physicals hurt more. And minions deal physical damage.

Quote: Enfeebling Blood only needs 5 for a half decent and effective investment. And more points means it lasts longer so you dont have to keep casting+sac so often.

Quote: Supporting physicals... Which shows the necro's versatility more. You seem to be supporting necros so far.

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSpirit The best overall DPS I have seen is still MoP+Fiends but that needs to be setup right. The best DPS I've seen is physical overload.

Quote: And minions deal physical damage. I didn't say they didn't.



Quote: And more points means it lasts longer so you dont have to keep casting+sac so often. Oh jeez, more sac. As if 10% sac is going to be gamebreaking?

Quote: Which shows the necro's versatility more. You seem to be supporting necros so far. I'm supporting them being a support class. And I didn't say Necromancers aren't versatile.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tyla The best DPS I've seen is physical overload. MoP+Fiends can kill off an entire mob faster with AoE armor ignoring damage.

Quote: Oh jeez, more sac. As if 10% sac is going to be gamebreaking? I didn't say it is. And making weaken last longer, casting and sac less, is bad? How?

Quote: I'm supporting them being a support class. And I didn't say Necromancers aren't versatile. I'm supporting them being the BEST PvE class because of their overall versatility in both support and damage for HM.

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSpirit MoP+Fiends can kill off an entire mob faster with AoE armor ignoring damage. Dervish, Warrior AoE skills, Splinter Weapon. Oh, no AoE there...

Quote: I didn't say it is. And making weaken last longer, casting and sac less, is bad? How? It isn't. But you only need minimal attribution for it to prove effective.

Quote: I'm supporting them being the BEST PvE class because of their overall versatility in both support and damage for HM. That award goes to Paragons or Warriors. See the previously mentioned builds.

You 2 should get a room and troll eachother until you both cream your pants already.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tyla

30 extra damage every 2 seconds is still nice.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dark Spirit Anyway I have said all I wanted to say on this thread. Warriors maybe good for single target DPS but they rely on other classes to buff them. That's because they don't need to rely on them.

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Unless you H/H (in which case the best builds are still triple necro based), if you PUG, good luck convincing some people to change their build to support you. Necros are more versatile overall (i.e. damage+defense+utility) and can have great DPS even without buffs from other professions. PuGs are bad, and H/H also has Racway, in any case you have the right to structure your own team. Quote: Necros are more versatile overall (i.e. damage+defense+utility) and can have great DPS even without buffs from other professions. Warriors also get damage defense and utility, and they don't rely on other professions' buffs to work. If anything, you're so cheap you can't even pay attention. (Godmode D-Slasher has all three of those aspects, and so do many other Warrior builds so I don't know what the *Red Engine* you're talking about here)

I think DarkSpirit is a troll because he thinks elementalist damage > necro damage in HM and Tyla is a troll because.

You want me to join you or what? Facts are simple:

Warrior + necro buffs + rit buffs = OWNAGE DPS AND AOE DPS PWNAGE

Necro = liek the best support character in pve. Although it shouldn't be on DPS. Why? Because wasting slots for pure damage < buffing melee chars to make them pwn everything around. That's why support + offense > offense + offense or support + support.

Teh synergy > the uhm, soloability?

Quote: Originally Posted by Abedeus I think DarkSpirit is a troll because he thinks elementalist damage > necro damage in HM and Tyla is a troll because. Yes everyone is a troll except you and thanks for putting words in my mouth.

MoP+Fiends has better DPS than even Splinter, provided it is done right, which heroes typically fail in.

Quote: Originally Posted by Tyla 30 extra damage every 2 seconds is still nice. That's because they don't need to rely on them. In any case, a 2 necro team is of course stronger than a 1 necro team so I dont know what point you are trying to push across.

I'm cool like bobby

[moebius strike] [death blossom] [save yourselves] > pve

I'd go with Paragon, Warrior, or Assassin for PvE but thats just me





also Quote: Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Quote: Yes everyone is a troll except you and thanks for putting words in my mouth. When did I say I'm not a troll? Sure I am. I know I am. But please, do not lie, you did fight with someone few weeks ago about elementalist damage > splinter weapon or necro curses. I still remember my rofls.

Quote: Vanilla racway fails in many areas, the lack of Splinter is bad which is why I dont use the racway D/N anymore. Maybe it's just you. That will mean something ;d