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It should be used in hard mode so that it's easier
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Next Update Will Be Next Week
Dr Strangelove
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Roman
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
I think Ursan is fine the way it is, see no reason to nerf it. It should be used in hard mode so that it's easier to do all the vanquishing and get guardian titles.
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l o l.
isamu kurosawa
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
Woot! *cheers* *prays that it's a HOM update since I just spent a bundle on a Tormented bow to add it*
I think Ursan is fine the way it is, see no reason to nerf it. It should be used in hard mode so that it's easier to do all the vanquishing and get guardian titles. But anyway, hope the update is the HOM one that's been discussed for quite some time. *keeps fingers crossed* |
Hard mode is supposed to be hard. Ursan and various other things added that reduce its difficulty remove the whole point of HM. With HM so easy if you use ursan they may as well have not bothered wasting time to create HM or ursan at all.
mr_stealth
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Originally Posted by Roman
Soooo according to you, we should call HM Ursan Mode from now on?
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AJD
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Originally Posted by Tyla
...Which derives the point of Hard Mode...
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I think you mean something other than derive tbh.
fowlero
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Originally Posted by AJD
Uh, what?
I think you mean something other than derive tbh. |
Anyway i'm thoroughly looking forward to this update because the entire GW community is going to explode whichever way it goes.
Mesmer in Need
I think Tender Wolf won the thread right there.
I'm hoping for things like Hundred blades buff and maybe even a mending buff. (H4X).
I expect only a few meaningful updates (ursan) as well as a bunch of junk like buffing of an elite that will be nerfed again because it was too op.
I'm hoping for things like Hundred blades buff and maybe even a mending buff. (H4X).
I expect only a few meaningful updates (ursan) as well as a bunch of junk like buffing of an elite that will be nerfed again because it was too op.
Neo Nugget
got something to look forward to when I come back from vacation.
Gogogo reward points!
Gogogo reward points!
optymind
I'm hoping the next update makes FOW and UW runs take 3 hours.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by upier
So .... I am guessing that Ursan-like concept would be acceptable in something like ... Starcraft? Pacman? Tetris? Mario?
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Originally Posted by upier
We're dealing with GW.
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And a developer.
ANet and GW aren't subject to any different rules than the games I listed above. The only problem is that they *listened* to the people who wanted to dumb-down and break their game, and they're just now accepting that it was a bad idea (no shit).
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How about if the question set is if it's really a loss to lose people that do not like the game in the current state?
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And no, I don't think we could deal with it because I don't know of a single game developer that ever said "hey, let's make our game worse!"
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Originally Posted by upier
How about if we just accepted that their actions aren't "mistakes" but rather a normal way of functioning?
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AKB48
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
I think Ursan is fine the way it is, see no reason to nerf it. It should be used in hard mode so that it's easier to do all the vanquishing and get guardian titles.
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Ursan is defintly kill-able, and it doesn't take much of a mob to kill a full group of ursans. At max level, you only get +20 armor, which is roughly a Soj without the regen. But then again, so what? OK, these high and majestic ones want to play Pve with skill. Ok, do it, go right ahead, play Pve with however much skill you got. Don't use ursan then, its that simple.
But you should also realize that some people just want to get the job done, they don't care whether it involves skills or not. (title hunters, for one) So personally I agree that the Ursan doesn't deserve a nerf, its fine the way it is, it's the people who are making such a big deal out of something so little. (Soooo according to you, we should call HM Ursan Mode from now on? for ex.) If you like Ursan, use it, if you hate it, don't use it, play the game, not complain about it.
BlackSephir
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I think Ursan is fine
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Dev121
I heard they were gunna put new minis in the game, including the full U2 band, and if you collect them all you can do a concert in your HoM. You heard it here first.
Konig Des Todes
What I expect:
1. HoM Update
2. Reward Points
3. New Tonic
4. Skill Nerf/Buff (to what is needed)
What I hope in addition:
1. New Armor in Tyria for expansion professions.
2. More then just Tormented Weapons in the HoM.
3. A new Elite Area or two.
4. Improvements to Tombs (end-chest and statue in HoM)
5. Titan Quests become repeatable.
6. Adventurer Title
7. Drunkard/Sweet Tooth/Party Animal/Wisdom/Treasure Hunter become account based
8. SS/LB and EN Rep titles use the Kurzick/Luxon rank system and becomes account based.
9. Removal of /rank and /zrank
I don't expect much but I hope for a lot
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Just one of those things from my hope and most from what I expect would be lovely ANet. And the best part of this update is that I will be getting home around the time it should be coming! (Wed/Thur).
Edit: @ Tender Wolf. Not to be mean, but for your sake and the sanity of Guru either stay out of Hard Mode completely, or stay out of Hard Mode descussion. Hard Mode made easy? You obviously don't get what the original purpose was (although a majority of it is easy even without consumables or Ursan).
1. HoM Update
2. Reward Points
3. New Tonic
4. Skill Nerf/Buff (to what is needed)
What I hope in addition:
1. New Armor in Tyria for expansion professions.
2. More then just Tormented Weapons in the HoM.
3. A new Elite Area or two.
4. Improvements to Tombs (end-chest and statue in HoM)
5. Titan Quests become repeatable.
6. Adventurer Title
7. Drunkard/Sweet Tooth/Party Animal/Wisdom/Treasure Hunter become account based
8. SS/LB and EN Rep titles use the Kurzick/Luxon rank system and becomes account based.
9. Removal of /rank and /zrank
I don't expect much but I hope for a lot
Just one of those things from my hope and most from what I expect would be lovely ANet. And the best part of this update is that I will be getting home around the time it should be coming! (Wed/Thur).
Edit: @ Tender Wolf. Not to be mean, but for your sake and the sanity of Guru either stay out of Hard Mode completely, or stay out of Hard Mode descussion. Hard Mode made easy? You obviously don't get what the original purpose was (although a majority of it is easy even without consumables or Ursan).
Gill Halendt
Oh well, while you've all been arguing about Ursan Blessing and speculations about the next update, I've been lol'ing @ this:
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Chthon
I've got a positive feeling about this update. Want to know why? Because, Lindsey Murdock plays PvE, that's why. She plays it on a serious enough level that she farms for ecto and shards. I seriously [u]hope[/i] that for the first time we have someone in charge of GW1 who understands the PvE "meta" and what it needs.
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Uh, what?
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also pve meta lol
Bryant Again
"PvE meta" isn't actually as inaccurate as most would assume.
around
Metagaming assumes the existence of a mutable metagame (hell, even the word metagame carries with it the tacit assumption that metagames change).
TheLordOfBlah
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Originally Posted by SmithyBen
for god sake don't nurf ursan i mean it! despite what most people think i enjoy having ursans in my team, makes elite areas quicker so its not so boring when your playing HB monk like myself. We've had ursan too long now and you can't turn back the 'problems'.
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Zehnchu
At this point in time I don't see why PvE skills are needed anymore. With the PvE/P split there is no longer a point to have PvE only skills in the game it would be best if they removed them.
Also seeing how they added these skills I hope nothing like PvE olny skill are in GW2.
Yet it's just all wishful thinking for this upcoming update.
Also seeing how they added these skills I hope nothing like PvE olny skill are in GW2.
Yet it's just all wishful thinking for this upcoming update.
Calista Blackblood
i cant wait for the new update 
not because it effects me usually,but for the sheer comedy bliss of clicking "new posts" and seeing QQ threads all over the place 
not because it effects me usually,but for the sheer comedy bliss of clicking "new posts" and seeing QQ threads all over the place
Xx_Sorin_xX
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I'm torn between Joyish excitement, and pure terror.
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-Makai-
Spawning Power buff? Spirit health nerf revert for PvE? Please? Please?
Laylat
lol! I'll be travelling this Thursday. New Zealand >> GW
upier
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I think Ursan is fine the way it is, see no reason to nerf it. It should be used in hard mode so that it's easier to do all the vanquishing and get guardian titles.
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The question of the game's difficulty is something A.Net needs to ask themselves.
Now the players CAN comment on how hard the game should be - but stating that something is bad because it makes the game to easy - is invalid because it's not our place to decide how hard the game should to be.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Nope. Offline = others gameplay won't bother you, but =/= free to ruin the game.
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And that's pretty much ALL that GW has to do with online gaming.
PvE is on offline game with an in-built IRC program.
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
ANet and GW aren't subject to any different rules than the games I listed above. The only problem is that they *listened* to the people who wanted to dumb-down and break their game, and they're just now accepting that it was a bad idea (no shit).
Which begs the question: Why would they rather listen and cater to people who don't care/understand about what makes their game the way it is, and not to people who want to improve it? And no, I don't think we could deal with it because I don't know of a single game developer that ever said "hey, let's make our game worse!" First, that undermines the point of an online game in the first place. Secondly, making your game worse isn't a "normal way of functioning", improving it is. |
I seriously doubt they went out to make the game worse.
I feel they listened to the majority - and that majority IS having fun now and enjoying the game and they DON'T consider that the game is worse - but their fun came at the expense of balance. And PvE balance NEVER was an important issue for A.Net.
And let's be honest - neither was for PvE players since pretty much the ONLY time we bitched about something was when that something was to weak.
Lagg
The promised update? Maybe.
Something is telling me that the steep decline of loyal veteran players who still play game is finally raising some flags. Literally none of my 50 or so friends I made playing PvE is still logging in on a regular basis. Not a single one.
Sure, ArenaNet is still getting sales from people picking up the game from bargain bins. Unfortunately, these are customers that spend a month playing, find out that they've joined a dying community and then move on.
It's time to start pleasing the hardcore "pre-order crowd" again, especially since a formidable challenger has appeared on the horizon.
Something is telling me that the steep decline of loyal veteran players who still play game is finally raising some flags. Literally none of my 50 or so friends I made playing PvE is still logging in on a regular basis. Not a single one.
Sure, ArenaNet is still getting sales from people picking up the game from bargain bins. Unfortunately, these are customers that spend a month playing, find out that they've joined a dying community and then move on.
It's time to start pleasing the hardcore "pre-order crowd" again, especially since a formidable challenger has appeared on the horizon.
MStarfire
I'm preparing for another QQ storm.
Bryant Again
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Now the players CAN comment on how hard the game should be - but stating that something is bad because it makes the game to easy - is invalid because it's not our place to decide how hard the game should to be.
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But granted, when it comes to how difficult an area should be - or is - it's the players who are usually looked to since they know the game better than anyone.
Also, if it wasn't our place to "decide how hard the game should be", HM wouldn't exist.
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Ursan isn't used in PvP.
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Do you now see why I have doubt that their actions really were mistakes but rather actions that they fully understood?
I seriously doubt they went out to make the game worse. I feel they listened to the majority - and that majority IS having fun now and enjoying the game and they DON'T consider that the game is worse - but their fun came at the expense of balance. |
If this was tailored to the "majority" if players, it would be available in all the campaigns. If this was meant to be used by the "casual" populous, it most certainly wouldn't require a title. If ANet wanted to dumb down their game for the "newbies", then they did a pretty bad job of it ('poor job of ruining your game'...hah). So no, it's not for the 'casual newbie', it's tailored for a small group of players that don't want to play Guild Wars yet want all of its glories.
But most importantly, if they fully understood what they were doing, why are they considering a nerf for it?
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And PvE balance NEVER was an important issue for A.Net.
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And let's be honest - neither was for PvE players since pretty much the ONLY time we bitched about something was when that something was to weak.
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thral
*kisses ursan goodbye* Time to get popcorn and watch out for the tsunami caused by QQ.
Im not expecting anything big...monster update these days would be nothing much.
Im not expecting anything big...monster update these days would be nothing much.
Nightow
Interesting note on SF from Linsey Murdock's talk page:
My 2c on the PvE issue... why has GW become so much of a micromanagement and multitasking game? I paid for an RPG to be played online with friends not an RTS to be played online with friends. The moment where I have to tell my heroes to go 10 paces to the right while telling Sosuke to cast churning earth while I'm casting life and doing 2 other things, the game stops becoming fun and starts to become a headache.
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Dr Strangelove
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I paid for an RPG to be played online with friends not an RTS to be played online with friends. The moment where I have to tell my heroes
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Winstar
To this day I still don't understand how anyone can see Ursan as anything but a joke. If you want to introduce a skill which says "lets make everything easy mode" and eliminates all class difference so that poorer players access harder areas of the game thats fine. But perhaps such a skill should be made so that it makes players in your team harder to kill, but reduces the killing speed at which you can make it through areas of the game. Thus such a skill would reduce the risk, and increase accessibility but decrease the reward and provide an incentive to run other setups that might have faster killing potential, but are riskier. I'm well aware that the team setups will always move towards some single optimal setup, but at least this might maintain more diversity and make use of class skills rather than reducing pve to one single skill.
Anyway...sorry thats a little far a field. But if there are nerfs to this I hope it looks something like that and I hope in general that people are carefully critical and willing to give things a try on both the pve and pvp sides of the coin rather than resorting to mindless ranting. I guess thats unlikely.
Anyway...sorry thats a little far a field. But if there are nerfs to this I hope it looks something like that and I hope in general that people are carefully critical and willing to give things a try on both the pve and pvp sides of the coin rather than resorting to mindless ranting. I guess thats unlikely.
Nightow
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
There's your problem, if you don't want to manage AI, play with human groups.
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Look, I'd love to play with all human groups and sometimes I do get that opportunity but we all know it's heroes or nothing 90 percent of the time.
...And some of us do like Hack and Slash games, tyvm! >_>
Dr Strangelove
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And pigs can fly...
Look, I'd love to play with all human groups and sometimes I do get that opportunity but we all know it's heroes or nothing 90 percent of the time. ...And some of us do like Hack and Slash games, tyvm! >_> |
I haven't hero+henched in probably the last 6 months. I don't have a particularly active alliance, but I do have friends around to play with. Simply put, AI isn't fun to play with, so I don't. If you genuinely hate playing with heroes, be the guy in your alliance who always tags along with groups and is forming his own.
Of course, I also hate playing ursanway (it's boring as hell), so I end up screwing around in TA and AB a pretty huge amount of the time.
Nightow
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As I'm alt-tabbed from D2 atm, I'd agree to an extent :P.
I haven't hero+henched in probably the last 6 months. I don't have a particularly active alliance, but I do have friends around to play with. Simply put, AI isn't fun to play with, so I don't. If you genuinely hate playing with heroes, be the guy in your alliance who always tags along with groups and is forming his own. |
Anyways, it's not that I hate heroes, I just don't get why I have to tell them to get out of the meteor shower when Sosuke casts it and the monster AI actually moves over.
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lols
Massive Fire Balls
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There are hundreds of thousands of people who love ursan, and use it daily. There are hundreds that dislike it.
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DOWUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE STILL PLAY GW DAILY??????????????? AND THEY ALL USE URSAN
Abedeus
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If getting to high-end areas was harder, so only A BIT skilled people got there, then maybe we wouldn't have to resort to h/h.
DarkWasp
Ursan is a borring topic.
Lets talk about the other changes. What do you think they are going to do with PvE titles? And how do you think armors in HoM Account Based are going to work? Suppose you can enter with your ranger and see him in your mesmer's clothes?
Lets talk about the other changes. What do you think they are going to do with PvE titles? And how do you think armors in HoM Account Based are going to work? Suppose you can enter with your ranger and see him in your mesmer's clothes?
Malice Black
Bring back the old DoA.