Title Changes in the works

Grinding is part of a mmorpg.... Gw2 is going to be mostly titles and stuff titles are going to play a big part in it. Think they said that lvl cap is going to be alot higher for the people who are going to like grinding... my point is some titles should not be messed with and some should hopefully they make corrections to the ones that should need it and keep the ones that actually take work and leave it alone. If you dont have time for ranking out a title maybe you shouldnt even try... (( I dont know what day gw2 is going to be coming out I do know that beta takes awhile getting out the glitches thats why I said that lol...))

i cant give me sources nmy allince knows i cant do that either, i have told my allince alot of things and have always been write i hav been telling them that grind title for pve and pvp tiles are going to be changed for about 2 months, and now that more have found out that there is going ot be somethign changed

allyou can do is hope and pray , my allince knows a littl e bit more info theni will tell you guys you can belive or not but why not hope

GW, according to ANet, is not a MMORPG. GW was meant to have no grinding when it first came out (I say, yet again) and it is meant to be different from other Online games. The level cap was not raised for people who like grinding, it is (as far as we know) considered being raised because people didn't like the low level cap (not because they wanted to grind, but because they thought lvl 20 was too low). You are right when you say some titles should not be "messed with," but grinding titles are titles that should be "messed with." And the titles, in GW's standards, that need to be fixed are the titles that require grinding.

If you like grinding, honestly, you are playing the wrong game. GW might be full of grinding now, but it wasn't intended originally to be, and by the looks of things, it's going back to no/little grinding. GW2, it's hard to say. But GW2 is not GW1.


So... wait, your a fortune teller? You guess things and have been right before, so now your saying things and saying you will be right... You make little sense honestly. Meh.

People keep referring to grinding as a pejorative term, you need to realize that part of the population actually enjoys it.

They paid for the game just like you, why should they not be allowed to have fun?
Let pve'ers have grinding, its not like anyone is forcing you to do it.

If you really like grinding that much, I have a great prospect for you: McDonald's. You can do as much repetitive, boring work as you want, and you get payed for the privilege! What a deal! Meanwhile, leave gw for those who'd rather spend their playing time achieving, improving, and, of course, PLAYING, rather than spending dozens of hours in order to even begin those activities.

You are right the game itself is not suppose to have grinding and it DOESNT lol heh... But the titles are just fun stuff basically except for a seletced few like the ones in gwen that are suppose to give you armor the treasure hunter. but why make something easier when you are suppose to work for something. Lets take the hoh title if they made that easier and the gladitor no one will do it people do it cause its sorta like prestige its like i accomplised this and if you make it easier really takes the meaning out of a title. Its suppose to show what intrests you show in the game. And people are suppose to see them if one takes time just makes it more fun I guess

Not saying that grinding is 100% hated, as SlipknotOFA has proven. However, GW was made to be a game different from other online games, that is, grind free (among other things), recently *since NF* it has fallen from that aspect. Now they are fixing it, so people who like grinding shouldn't be QQ'ing about returning to the good ol' days oh so many more people enjoyed.

If you, or others, like grinding, like I said, GW is the wrong game.

The titles are the grinding. Like I said, grinding is not really work, it's boredom. If your only mad that people get benefits from getting high ranks, and now those ranks will be a little easier to get, why not instead of QQ'ing suggest raising the req for the armor and whatnot.

The Hero title is a poor example to use with me, I hate it and want the emote eliminated, same for Zaishen. The title itself is grind as well, and not worth it imo. But people like PvP, and most people who want the title don't grind, they play the matches, those who want the emotes grind.

Prestige was also something that was not originally intended for the game, but ANet added that, and now they are fixing that by making them not as prestigous. Again, they are fixing things that they messed up with *that is, imo, but they are still going back*. If you like prestige, and if you like grind, GW isn't the game for you, in terms of gameplay. Not telling you to gtfo, just saying that you're arguing for the continuation of something that should never have been there.

If titles are only to show what interests you in the game, you might as well just say "get rid of all the benefits" because it is the benefits that cause people to grind. Without the benefits, people will not grind, and then we will see who is truly interested in grind.

People want the benefits and prestige in order to say "haha I'm better then you" and increase their e-peen. That is why such things shouldn't be allowed. And grind, I'm guessing, was put in to make the prestige not so desirable to most people, to make a little less e-peen, but that didn't work, so now they are making money easy to get and grinding gone, which will effectivly remove prestige.

And imo, that is a good thing. And like I said, that was the original intent of GW, before titles, before Elite Armors, before the Battle Isles. At a time I can only read about, cannot even remember because I was late on joining in the GW party.

And if you want to grind and if you want to get prestige to show off a e-peen, then, once more I say, you are playing the wrong game.

Isnt gw2 going to be having a tons of titles and the whole point of working on the titles is suppose to be for gw2??? sounds like they are going to be having the titles again in gw2 and you are going to be in a world of pain when it comes out lol... I think they are just going to make drunkard and sweet tooth and wisdom the big ones and leave everything else alone. You would be really mad if they had pking and ksing since its not going to be a stand alone server lol..... I think they are trying to make everyone happy and adding stuff that everyone will like. Gw has been out quite awhile they added new stuff for everyone to like. If grinding and actually work for a title is something you dont like maybe you shouldnt do it. Sounds like you are living in the past this is the present.

LOL! All sorts of win.

And yes, grinding for titles in GW1 just for GW2 is stupid since you will probablly just be grinding in GW2 for GW3... etc etc etc

This guy has been spouting this same unintelligible crap since he joined up and I haven't seen a single thing that "came true" that wasn't telegraphed to death already.

HEAR HEAR!

I know people have said this will kill PvE, but I think it'll revitalize it. I'm certainly feeling interest in returning (and picking up a couple extra character slots), because I might actually get to finish some titles now, whereas before, I just gave up - there were other grinds on the market which were far more achievable (and even worth paying for).

The requirements of her job have absolutely nothing to do with whether we pay monthly. We're not paying her directly in any case. The requirements are whatever her employers say they are, and as I understand it, as the community liaison, communicating with the player-base is in fact her job. And it should go without saying that we *are* paying customers, regardless of whether we pay a monthly fee.

And sure, it's a business move. Most things that businesses do to drum up business are business moves. Also, water is wet. But to be less of a brat about it, it's a GOOD business move, so let's cheer it! *cheer*

Seems like everyone has suggested more titles to be hit than I'd thought, so I figured I'd give my thoughts on each.

Reputation Titles: Lightbringer, Sunspear, Norn, Asura, Vanguard, Dwarven. Sunspear doesn't really need touched too much for how much you can do with just getting through the game. Lightbringer could use some work on being introduced earlier or producing more points from quests or something earlier. It's easy to play through Nightfall casually and not even hit R2 Lightbringer, which I found to be a big turnoff for getting in groups at the Grand Court of Sebelkeh back in the day.

The EotN titles would be a lot more useful if the bonuses carried over in the dungeons. At the same time, bonuses should be switched from all Dwarven to either the type of reputation gained from the dungeon quest, or to the reputation related to the area. Past that, a smarter system for handing out bonuses would be good too, like not getting a Time Attack when you only have 9 foes left in the whole area, or getting a Boss Bounty after all possible bosses are killed.

Kurzick and Luxon: Points for vanquishes and such would be great. Someone suggested eliminating the gold reward from HFFF to reduce botting. I'd be a little disappointed to lose what little gold I make from that, but I'd be willing to take the hit for the sake of deterring bots.

Treasure Hunter and Wisdom: Make them account-wide. That would probably be enough to kill the grind of it.

Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, and Party Animal: More ways to get these through collectors or the like would probably be a good alternative, especially as Party Animal items aren't purchasable through any Merchant I know of. Increasing points per item would probably not be a great answer. The quantity of items needed would be lessened, but prices would also be that much higher. Making titles like these account-wide would be... an interesting alternative. It would sorta take away from them being such money-intensive titles.

Survivor: Someone mentioned this possibly getting changed to resetting after death. I'd like to see a change to this title happen, but I still believe that nothing good will come to a Survivor title change without dealing with LDoA first.

KoaBD: Since it was brought up that a couple of the titles could move to being account-based as a solution, that probably would make getting the first or last couple tiers of the KoaBD ranks easier to obtain. At the same time that this devalues the ranking, I probably would rather see this title become less reputable in favor of globally cutting grind in GW.

Someone said something about PvP titles somewhere, but I don't know what kind of "grind" that would involve to be dealt with. Rank discrimination is so much of a player-created concept that it would probably be beyond ANet's reach to find a fix for it.

I were there

the game were PLAYED

nobody made fun of each other for not wearing elite, pugs were much more successful, conquering a mission were cause for celebration. NM- or classic mode were actually harder. nobody were calling each other noob or gtfo, or other various nasty stuff. people would actually help each other out with quests, not stating, "wiki it and grab some H/H and do it yourself, I'm busy farming " it were an excellent game, SF were a awesome add on dungeon. I remember nobody could finish it because it were hard.
rotscale in Sanctum Cay mish were a hoot, we killed him so many times until they moved him to southern shiverpeaks and gave him a elite.

now that WERE a game you could come back to!

nowdays it's all about "Title Wars"!

ya its not like lindsey wasn't recently put in control of the game or anything.

They will probably add title track for doing quests, Izzy said that in leipzig or what ever it is that there will be title for them..

..guild wars

I O.o then LOL at how this thread turns out.

What the hell has Arena Net giving attention to Guild Wars, changing the aspect of the game that its playerbase keep complaining about become a "grind wars" discussion?

Way to go Lindsey! keep up the good work. waits patiently to see what the surprises are.

The benefits for of the titles for GW2 are unknown. I honestly think, and hope even more, that if there will be titles in GW2, that it would be the achievement titles like Protector (explorables will be persistent, therefore no Vanquishing, but Missions will be instanced still I hear, and there is still Skill Hunter and Cartographer). I'm not saying I don't like working for a title, I just don't consider doing the same mindless thing over and over again boring, and not work but a burden.

I get my reputation titles and everything else people call grinding by doing things that is not grinding (such as Vanquishing, NM/HM dungeons, quests, etc. etc.) So that once I finish with the achievement titles, I will have as little grinding to do as possible. Even if the numbers are not changed but the ways to get the titles are increased, I will go to the non-grinding ways.

I am not living in the past, as I was not around to see GW in the past, but the point of GW as stated by ANet several times, was to make a online game that was different from other online games. This going from no grind and no prestige to no monthly fees. This has been changed and they seem to finally be going back to it. And I applaud them for it.

If you say I am living in the past and this is the present, I say you are living in Madness, And This! Is! Sparta! Woops, I mean you are living in WoW and this is GW.

Well Anet doesnt own guildwars anymore ncsoft does for one thing... lol heh.. All im saying is leave the luxion and the kurzick titles alone I mean the ones that you actually have to do something other then standing around for hours. Make them shorter by all means go for it. Pay less for your sugar title woot woot lol heh... less money for drunkard title yesSssss lol ... even mess around with the treasure hunter less money for keys that makes everyone happy but by all means do not mess with the kurzick luxion, norn, asura, hoh, gladtior, and so on. If you dont like dont do it no one is forcing you no one is holding a gun to your head. Ive never played wow before ive been playing guildwars since the first week it came out in stores .... The titles isnt even grinding if you want to see real grinding go to 2 moons cap there is 150 for highest lvl I am not one to have a "e whatever" either I usually keep to myself in the game farm and sale stuff do missions and what not like everyone else. I dont call anyone noob or what not either seems like one dude been partying with the wrong people lol heh...

Dear Lindsey, please consider all of these when you work on the title change and i've included links where ever possible if you care to read them. thank you very much.
here are the list:

Survivor Title LINK1 LINK2 LINK3 LINK4 LINK5 LINK6 LINK7 LINK8

Drunken Title: make it like sweet tooth title, click and be done with, can't be bothered standing around clicking on pixel bottle LINK LINK2


Cartography title LINK1 LINK2

Armor Collector Title LINK1 LINK2

Crafting Materials Title LINK1, READ PART 3 LINK2

Weapons Collector Title: LINK1, READ PART2

Questing Title LINK1 LINK2

Some kind of recognition for GWAMM besides the title show below their character: choose one: floating character, Halo or emote or be able to summon lightning and zap the rats and ooze in town would be nice. "LINK1 LINK2 LINK3

Others:

Elite Mission Title LINK LINK2

Merging The Luxon and Kurziks Title Tracks LINK

Achievement System LINK

Legendary Helper LINK

Make all grind base title account base (which i think has been implemented thru the change in HoM) LINK

Profession Specific Titles LINK

UAX Title LINK

LDoA Title LINK

Title for Fun

Thank you very much.

iirc, NCSoft always sponsored ANet, and therefore had rights to GW, but never owned it. If NCSoft goes out of business or gets bought out, as long as ANet gets a new sponsor, nothing happens with GW. Also, ANet decides what goes on with GW, afaik, NCSoft just collects the profits, pays ANet staff, and handles the merchandising.

WOAH! WOAH! WOAH! The one you DON'T stand around for hours? HELLO! Does HFFF ring a bell? Kurzick/Luxon, Lucky/Unlucky, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth, and Party Animals are the ones you stand around doing nothing. The other things you do thing, just repeating the same over and over.

So reduce the titles that cost money, but don't reduce the titles that do more grinding (and some that give money) and also take about 100x longer. Brilliant.

But the funny thing is you are first "don't touch any titles!" and now your "go ahead and make them shorter, just don't touch the titles that have the biggest grind."

Honestly, if you are arguing against reducing grind just because you like grind, just make several characters and grind the stuff on them if you refuse to accept it.

And if you are arguing against the (very poor) benefits some titles have, just get over it. If someone wants a EN armor set, they just have to do the game once and they got Delver at r5 and any one other at r6 via book.

No one will be forcing you to play GW with less grinding, if that is what you want. If you like grinding you can play another game. If you like GW's gameplay/story, then you shouldn't really care about grinding.

Titles in general are not grinding, but the reputation titles and the other titles you mentioned above (besides Hero) are mostly grind. As I said myself, they can be done mostly without grinding *about 3/4 done, excluding Luxon/Kurzick*, but they are still grinding. And I'll pass on looking at 2 moons, it may have more grinding, but the half the titles in GW can be considered grinding, especially Kurzick/Luxon.

Sadly, the majority of players now flash around FoW armor and Chaos Gloves, rank people with poor Hero emotes, and other stuff proclaiming an e-peen. I don't need to party with them to see them in towns. And I H/H or do things with guildies everything to try to avoid these people. The only times I pug is when I want to laugh -to myself of course- at how much pugs suck.

I think most people here can say that GW, now, has a majority of the people being jerks with e-peens. I've seen my fair share for all my attempts to avoid them.

guildwars was better without titles
things have gone down hill since prophecies

I still find if funny when people use the word grind with GH. Go play your generic asian MMORPG to see what grind is. GW is not even at 1% of that.

GW is only better without titles because some of those titles actually have in-game effects.

I don't see why they'd reduce grind on titles that don't actually do anything though. If you're going for something like Unlucky, you're doing it entirely by choice, knowing full well what it takes, and knowing full well that all you'll get out of it is a bit of text below your name and a lengthier e-peen if you happen to care about that kind of thing. Same goes for stuff like Drunkard et al. - they're time+money sinks. The entire point is to make people grind them, as there's nothing else to those titles.

Compared to what GW was, particularly before NF, yes GW has too much grind.

Honestly, the only title i can think of that is "Grind mandatory" is Legendary Defender of Ascalon

All other titles seem to be obtainable while questing, participating in events, vanquishing and so forth. The only thing wrong with a few of the other titles is they just take a loooong time.

And i really hope that the EotN titles arent cut. Asura, Norn, Deld, Vanguard are all tracks that offer high rewards when you get high rank. High rewards = Powerful PVE skillz. These titles didnt really take too long to max, and they are not near as outrageously long as some of the other titles. I actually think those titles are fair. I would like to see the multiple rockshot outside doomlore become available again. I miss taking 7 guildies, each getting in a rockshot and going out to blow shtt up. It was therapeutic.

Not a single word of this is accurate. Do you even play this game?

HAAAAA I know that probably wasn't a troll, but it sure sounded like one.

I agree, However you just painted a picture of guildwars when it was less than a year old. It hasn't been like that for a looong time. I do miss the old days though, when the [air of superiority] "leet" player who would give you a hard time for not running his build on a mission was few and far between. And when "noobs" were only persecuted and chastised 10% of the time instead of 90%
Now a days Guild wars is a shark tank and the "noobs" are swimmers with scraped knees.

Yea, thats basically what im saying and getting my head chopped off. You arent getting anything from it no one is forcing you to do it why reduce it. If you beat the game and all you have is farming and pvp left. Why reduce the only thing you are able to do. that actually involves you playing the game lol...

uh yes it is.

that is accurate for what prophecies was back when it was released.

did YOU even play the game back then?

yea, I try to do the samething. I guess we wont know what happens until it happend. I try to adapt to everything they do. Just they been nerfing all the stuff that has been fun for quite awhile. I just cant see why they would nerf something that has no benefit to begin with. This game has been out for years im sure you have beat everything and most of the people here have. I mean the only thing left basically is farming and pvping and the titles ... I mean once its gone its gone.

Because you already bought the game and gave GW their money. Now all you do is take up their bandwidth.

lol so give me your money and get out???

...

Yeah, not a troll.

You are arguing for no reducing of grind on the two biggest grind titles other then Hero, Champion, and Gladiator (if you consider PvP titles grinding). And Kurzick/Luxon do give benefits, it's just in the form of the PvE-Only skills. If you beat the game, there are the non-grind titles to do, reducing what you do, yes, but reducing the parts that are boring and I would hope, most sane people avoid.

And I'm not trying to chop your head off, if I was, I'd bring a sword . I'm just disagreeing with your view of the need for grinding.

I pity those who find grinding and repetitive farming fun. I'd be caught naked in a gay strip joint before endlessly doing something that is the same thing over... and over... and over... and over again. I have beaten almost everything, I'm halfway done with the HM stuff and got the *bleh* grinding titles to do to reach GWAMM to satisfy my boredom *not like the grinding will help much* because I can't find a new game to play that looks interesting. Oh, and I still need to do Deep/Urgoz >.<

I don't like grinding, I try to avoid it, so I work on the non-grinding titles, and after that idk if I will move to the grinding titles. I'll probably just stop on my sin and work on my other characters... (My necro could use GWAMM too... hmmm, oh the possibilities without actually grinding).

I miss doing the deep... I use to do that like 4 times a day but I havent played in awhile and when I got back someone told me no one does that anymore so I never really checked it out. It would be cool if they made the norn and stuff like that for every charchter then indviually same thing with keys and stuff thats what they really need to do is make the titles for every charchter and that itself would cut down the grinding...

precisely!

Am i too jaded?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...ions_is_broken

So she's thinking about reworking the Challenge Missions, which is neat.

EDIT:
Also

"Since I don't want to really mess with the actual numbers of the Luxon/Kurzick titles, I think the ways in which you gain faction need to become more lucrative. Having such a low faction cap is going to make it difficult to really increase the rate of faction gain; having various ways for players to increase their faction cap is in my opinion, necessary. - Image:User Linsey Murdock sig.jpgLinsey talk 05:04, 26 September 2008 (UTC) "

Dont blame the titles, if you dont want them dont get them.
And it is a fact that there are guild that are getting titles together.
So for playing together it hasnt be to bad

Rework for kurzick/luxon titles? at r8 I really stopped caring because I wanna do something else next to AB for hours . The amount of faction you need is )*(*)!!!! insane. Seriously, If I would HA on a regular basis I would rise in the ranks faster.

But it's not that I care that much about titles to begin with. Bigger faction cap at high kurz/lux rank would be fantastic though. The balthazar cap was one of the main reasons to get myself a glad rank. I like titles to actually 'do' something.