Title Changes in the works

Few things why the questing title propably won't get implemented:
1) They are still adding new quests from time to time (M.O.X. quest for example)
2) There would be need for some sort of marker to clearly see where are the quests that we are currently missing. Just like for missions and vanquishes, but those two are much easier to mark than HUNDREDS of quests.
3) This would require this title to be retroactive and imo it makes it much more difficult to implement

The idea of such a title is nice, but reality can be harsh :P

well I seemed to like the challenge of getting the un/lucky/wisdom/hunter titles. I am working on all 4 of them at the same time.

Oh well well will see

Guild Wars ISNT a grind. You dont HAVE to have the titles!! Anet changed the pve skill spread so it makes little difference between r5 and max eotN rank for instance (and if you think getting r5 is a grind, then you arent playing the game).

All this talk of grind this and grind that, if you dont like it, DONT DO IT!! Oh but I forgot, you want the titles - just dont want to do whats needed to get them...

(WTS 500 Unid golds for new unified title )

I would have SO liked this listing from the start - it would be a wonderful thing if they introduced it now, but I agree with you, likely too late in the day.

Less grind is a good thing...if done right.
Having multiple chars to play can make it tedious and tiresome to work on (no, you don't have to max them, but for the PvE skills to be optimal, you should).
Less grind = more playtime = more fun.

I don't use pve skills, hence: Less grind = more playtime = more fun.

Less grind, more playtime SWEET! GW is all about the skills and the BALANCED play. All the rest is just fluff and mine is bigger than yours BS.

My fluffy is bigger then yours, and that's no BS :-P

The obvious reason for me is if you have say 10 toons that you play, then account based decreasesthe work for this title by 90% (assuming you play all equally).

there have been many instances where I have been doing a mission like Naphui and ignored opening the chest because I was not on my chest opening char for the following reasons:-
a) Chests are almost always a gold sink (especially these days)
b) theres no way that char will ever go for that title.

Now if the title went to account based, I would open a chest on any char and ID on any knowing that they count.
10k is indeed a large number, but this change would make it substantially easier to attain.

Shouldnt the "free" chests in NF count towards the title too though?? (just a thought)

P.S. Sorry for all my posts n this thread.. guess its coz Im not playing GW now until I find out what they are going to do to titles... :P

If you read my post you would see I'm about reducing grind. Lowering the level caps on TH and W and doing something about rep grind. If you want to comment. Base it on my post instead of random trolling.

At a conservative 30 chests per hour it take 333 hours to max treasure hunter. If you don't decrease the cap of TH it doesn't matter which toon you run the chest on and the total time grind for this title will not be eased. You will get a few random chest added to your title you happen upon while playing if it was account based which only will add up to 1% - 3% as I pointed out in my other post.

After reading through this thread, there are a number of suggestions that make sense, like wisdom/treasure being account wide as I would think that most people will have opened a large majority of chest with different chars as they have played the game.

The one big problem with this is that it will aggrieve those that have taken the time to max those titles with their 1 title char.

The thing I do not agree with is making all titles account wide and from the way some people have written they basically want a >> PRESS HERE << instant GWAMM button installing in the game as it seems that a good number of players want the titles but do not want to "grind" to get it.

GWAMM isn't exactly hard to get (took me 8 months on my necro and 3 months of that was farming cash to buy other titles) but it isn't easy either and it isn't meant to be.

If you want titles on your char then work for them, why should a-net hand them to you on a plate?

I do think that the kurz/lux titles need a huge rebalance as it is simply the most monotonous thing to repeat for a title.

R7 koabd? why not, it would be fun to see just how many people would be willing to go for that extra step (there are probably a few that already have 35 titles)

Bundle the titles in a package for sale in the online store...you can buy most other things in the store. :P

You are talking about doing chest runs.. fyi,I have only done chest runnning on the special lucky/unlucky weekends (of which theres been 2 I think) and done approx 100 chests each day = 400 chests. I am currently on (approx) 6,300 chests opened from playing through the game with chars/helping old guildies in quests etc and opening chests that were there while farming - so I disagree witjh your 1-3% which is pulled out of the air with no factual base .
Yes, its taken me a long time, but that what max titles should take - why even bother with a title if you can get it in 5 minutes?

woooow...9 pages already

it's nice to make dreams mortals
so keep on dreaming till Anet release the update

let's hope that r7 rank won't be a dream^^

the age of Uber r7 GWAMMs is close

I would like to do that, but I could only if they did the account wide gwamm I guess as my gwamm was a pre survivor char... "Gods Among Gods"? or GAGs maybe?


One thing that disappoints me above all is the fact that this thread only appeared when Linsey posts about the changes almost being completed. What about, just for a change anet, getting Regina to post a thread in here a few months before asking for opinions on a number of possible changes and having this discussion before changes are worked on to be implemented?

I know I have posted on this thread a lot, but its darned frustrating to be posting here now, knowing that the decisions have in all likelyhood already been made without a chance to have an input.

Well I got the numbers from my own account which is not a definitive sample by any means. Aside from my main which did chest running and maxed the title. I have two other toons I just did missions with , but opened all chests they encountered. The grand total on these other characters which opened random chests while playing normally is 287 chests. These add up to 2.87% if TH was account wide. That is where the numbers come from and the two toons are PKM so they actually played though every campaign thoroughly.

I'm very doubtful that you opened 5900 chests with out chest running.

You do realize that you are now going back on everything you started saying? Right?

You just gave me an idea. Why not add Dungeons, like in EN, to Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall. Technically, the only dungeon out there is Sorrow's Furnace (which is in need of a rework, along with the Titan Quests and Tombs).

3 or so in each area would be nice, that would mean 21 in Tyria (although 3 on the Ring of Fire would be a bit much due to it's size, maybe one there, so 19), 12 in Factions, 15 in Nightfall. Or something like that. The 3 in the Echovald Forest/Jade Sea can give faction for their respective faction, the ones in NF can give SS/LB points. So the amount of grind, but far from work, would be reduced for these titles. (That would make even workaholics like SlipknotOFA happy).

Agreed on the first part, on the second part, it's never too late. Not until everyone stops playing GW.

Why agree to what I said? It was mostly a joke lol

I just expect changes and reduce in grind. More ways to get points>>>>reducing numbers>>what we currently have.

Technically, none of the PvP titles (I don't count Kurzick/Luxon as a PvP title) are grind titles. Because you get points per win, and each match is different. Also, only those who really want to grind *or those who like that arena* does the same arena again... and again... and again. Other people do different arenas. Hero is the hardest PvP title to max, and it should be. Only change to the HA titles, imo, should be a removal of all ranks except the wolf, phoenix, and dragon (wolf replaces tiger in ranks). *Reasoning for wold over the others: the Wolf, like the Deer, is just a head so it shows a bigger difference in the rank(that's why no tiger), and Wolf>Deer in looks anyways (that's why no Bambi)*

1) The cross-continent quests don't have to count, and it wouldn't be too hard to increase the number of the title once every few months.
2) They already have a "prototype" of this with the Scrying Pool. We can make the Vision of Glint, Togo (in Tahnnakai Temple), and Kormir's Avatar (in Chantry of Secrets) to hold the list/repeatable quests *imo, some quests should be repeatable, but that has too many exploits*. We don't really need a list as well, most people will have to settle with a homemade list from wiki and crossing things off.
3) Cannot argue with that, however, it would be a good add for a monthly update, as it would be a big change, and until they can get it worked out to work like the Legendary Titles (because of not every character being able to do every quest, the amount of quests you have to do must be determined by your character's origin), they can set it up like the old Skill Hunter title (which didn't matter what campaign you did the quests, as long as you did the quests).

So your reasons for why it won't happen can be by-passed with a temporary system until a real one gets made.

Actually, it does reduce the amount of time grind you do. If you want the title on multiple characters, for example, we'll say 5 characters, instead of 10k, you have 50k. 333 hours times 5= 1665 hours. It's even worse if you have 10 characters like me and Miss Droppin Az, where you have 100k to max on every character and 3330 hours of active grind. However, making them account based reduces the grind to 10k no matter what. Is it still grind? Yes, but people will have more incentive to open chests and the golds will all be together in the title, therefore needing a lot less grind if you just get these two titles on the side.

As for your 1-3%, that is only for those who focus on opening/identifying on a single character (where more then likely, they only do so on other characters by accident), however for those who spread it out, it would go up much more (mine would go up by about 1k in each title, more if what deleted characters did count, but I won't count on that).

If you still don't understand, I cannot help you.

I suggest the title "The Legend of <Character Name>" Which still goes with the Anchorman theme (The Legend of Ron Burgundy is the sub-title of the name of the movie afterall) Gods among gods does not go with Anchorman.

I'd go with that.. Ive always wanted to be a leg end after all, we'd be stumped without them (sorry).

Not really do you think I really like going threw each charchter and doing that book over and over again I mean it was fun the first time. But doing it again and again just to get to r5 is bad. Im not even gwmaa but the titles that I work on I dont want them just handed to me to get just beacuse everyone wants gwmaa... I have fun working on the title that im working on which right now is just the treasure and the keys ive and i would love the keys to be one every charchter less money ... think right now its on r3 going on 4.

Only thing is, that Scrying Pool doesn't behave like a marker. It's just a list and quick reminder of eleven events.
Forcing players to use wikipedia isn't a good idea also, as everything else in game that can be shown as a title can be figured out without external sources (okay, death-leveling isn't that obvious, but you know what I mean :P). You see every vanquish/mission done, you see what elites did you capture and with a small help of Priest of Balthazar you know which are missing. I'm not saying that players don't or shouldn't use wiki, but getting a list of quests (especially when some quests are outside of towns) is clearly forcing players to do that.

I'm not a fan of KoaBD r7, but it's a nice and consequent name

based on this assumption, then if i had a paragon survivor, a monk ss/lb maxed, ranger with 8 maxed, etc..and all with a (customized) destroyer weapon or two, ded minipets and leet armor...could they all be added to the same HoM..is this what ur saying?? cuz, if so - sweet jesus, let it be!

Kill HFFF!!11!one!!1!!!eleven!1

I hope they reworkd all titles to work like Eye of the North ones.
They should also split the Kurzick/luxon blessings into one title effect that works only in Luxon/Kurzick areas and the bounty.

They should also add a title effect for the Sunspear rank that works stronger if the party is full, there are no heroes and there are no henchmen. Something like... getting damage reduced and spread between the party members... like...

"Sunspear. Title. When you take damage, you take 1..3 less damage for each human party member and 1 less damage for each hero. Every other party member loses 1 Health. (Sunspear Title)"

ABOUT TIME..

now average people can do them.

I'd say more titles that are achieved with less grind to encourage people to try. Now you can make new titles into existance but still be achievable.

I'd like to see a completion to secondary quests title for each campaign added.

i don't think they will make luxon and kurzick split as alot of people have both as seperate titles maxed

My hopes are up up up!

Long time ago I had two wishes; PvE/PvP skill split and grind reduction (including some titles becoming account based). I maintained that I wouldn't get EotN until these two happen. We've seen the first one happen...

Here's the changes I hope to see:

1. Survivor - Make it possible for those who have died to obtain this title. Maybe add an NPC who will reset your death count to zero for a fee, 5-10k seems about right, IMHO. The economy could use another gold sink,

2. Wisdom / Treasure Hunter - Make these titles account-based. It's only logical, since the Lucky & Unlucky titles are account based and all four titles are inter-connected. (Face it, most players get more golds from chests than they get from drops)

3. Unlucky - This one's seriously flawed! Increase the amount of points gained on the boardwalk games to the amount of tickets lost, not the amount of games lost. Increase the amount of unlucky points gained from broken lockpicks.

4. Luxon / Kurzick - remove cash rewards for HFFF runs. Increase the max amount of faction one can have for each rank of the title achieved. Add a couple of new, balanced maps to the AB rotation. Increase the Boss Bonus given in HM to a max of 1,000 faction instead of the paltry 250 that it is now.

5. Lightbringer - Increase the number of bounties available for this title, especially in areas reached before the Grand Court mission. Or increase the amount of points given as quest rewards.

6. EotN rep titles - Decrease the max required to 120k points. It would still take some work to get the title, but the grind would be much less.

7. Party Animal - Need additional ways to obtain party favors outside of special events.

What I expect to see:

I'm not expecting anything. And I'm not gonna QQ about any of it.

That works for me Kook, I'm with you on the subject of hope.

First, you can delete parts of quotes to just what you're responding to. Also, if you do the game, you do the mission book (which is the book I was talking about, not dungeon). I just meant playing through that game once per character, play through it once, if you want a EN armor, you got two available *dwarven and other*.

I said the Scrying Pool was a prototype for what can be used as a "marker." Maybe under each area/town name there can be a n/x setting, n=quests given in the area that you did, x=quests given in that area. Again, the setting would have to be based on your character's origin, but it would work as a marker of where to go.

I wouldn't mind seeing the treasure hunter or wisdom titles being merged across characters. It's kind of lame that if I play 5 characters evenly, and I open 5000 chests, I don't get the same benefit that some other guy who only plays one character and opens 5000 chests. We both played the same amount and he gets the bigger reward? Sounds like it punishes diverse playing to me.

I wouldn't want to see the titles TH and Wisdom merged together though.

[QUOTE=Azazel The Assassin;4281480]First, you can delete parts of quotes to just what you're responding to. Also, if you do the game, you do the mission book (which is the book I was talking about, not dungeon). I just meant playing through that game once per character, play through it once, if you want a EN armor, you got two available *dwarven and other*.

Oh sorry... Yea but I would be happy making everything in the titles for every charchter. And maybe adding something new to getting faction for kurzick and luxion. And decreasing the party titles. Maybe adding a title for xp that would be cool heard they were going to do that but didnt.

This would be awesome, and indeed as it should have been in the first place.

EoTN Rep titles should also be account based, even if it means bumping the overall points required up a bit. Drunkard, Party, Sugar could also do with being account based.

I hope a bunch of titles make it accross accounts. All of them except survivor would be sweet!

Make all titles account-based...well most of them atleast !

Kind of a lame way to use resources. The vast majority of titles are optional grind. You dont actually gain any benefit...GWAMM is just prestige. Its not like it grants you +20% damage in combat like grind in other ORPG's have.

It would be much better if anet spent their time fixing stuff that actually breaks gameplay.

The achievement titles (i.e. Protector, Cartographer, Guardian, Skill Hunter, Vanquisher, Survivor, LDoA, LMotN) should not even be considered to be account based. I hope, along with survivor, you meant those as well.

All reputation titles, the wisdom/Treasure hunter and lucky/unlucky titles - which are the main grind titles - have benefits.

Kurzick/Luxon/Sunspear=skills

Lightbringer/Norn/Asura/Vanguard/Dwarf=in-game affect and skills

Lucky/Wisdom/Treasure Hunter=Retain rate of lockpick increased and/or salvage retain rate increased.

Optional by game mechanics, but many are mandatory by player-based. And many are wanted for ease.

Hmmm, this thread needs more of this attitude.

I am not opposed to another level after GWAMM. It would give me something to do until gw2 or diablo 3 comes out.

titles are my favorite part of the game, personally. and maxing them is the sole reason i play still. looking forward to these upcoming changes, whatever they may be.

All I'd want is that account based HoM and balanced AB.
Or more maps, or something. I get tired of the same maps every time~
They need to make maps based on guild halls, only twice as big for the shrines.
Or they could just have slayer or annihilation or whatever it's called. Get points for killing and that's it.

I'd love to see Isle of the Dead in a twice as big AB variant with bridges spanning across the entire map, personally.

Treasure/Wisdom account based

Kur/lux title cut in 1/2 or reworked some what

Survivor-change so that you can reset your deaths

mabey another rank added to GWAMM, but i don't know what it would be called.


I know i put simple things down, but i don't really want to go into detail because i just don't.