Title Changes in the works

Increase of Luxon/Kurzick Faction cap would be wonderful. Saves you a lot mapping to the Guildhall after some vanquishes or HFFF-sessions. Adding a 'lucrative' way of gaining faction sounds a bit dodgy, though. The most lucrative (time/gain-efficiency) is HFFF, but it's boring as hell. I'm hoping they'll add a more fun way, like a Dungeon Guide book for their Elite missions, or the ability to receive faction for every kill in those dungeons. It would definitely revamp those areas.

Making Wisdom/Treasure Hunter account based would be a great move. I'm actually deterred of playing with any of my other characters now, because every time I encounter a Locked Chest, I refuse to open it because only my main is the title hunter. Making both titles account based would make me play the game as I was playing it in the old Prophecies days: a few days as a Ranger, a few days as a Monk... instead of playing only one character 24/7.

However, I won't get my hopes up

Ohhhh that cap! Duuhhh.. I feel silly.. Of course it would be awesome to raise the cap past 10k points.
I was thinking that you were talking about raising the cap for max title. I was like "are you kidding?" Jesus! isnt rank 12 high enough?

I need to lay off the crack.

Favor is going down really fast now, so it's about time to make additions/changes regarding titles

So, i cross my fingers that:

1. "Survivor" will be available to old chars that never had the chance to get it (or account-based or smtg similar)
2. Wisdom/T.Hunter become account based
3. Kurzick/Luxon blessings work like blessings for eotn titles
3. New titles are added in game
4. and finally they add r7 for GWAMM title...

Hmm, personally I hope they make all () titles account wide. Maybe some new title involving normal quests?

Im definitely looking forward to this, I hope the max of Kurzick/Luxon gets a reduce and Wisdom becomes account based. It will save me and many others having to id gold weaps on the same char all the time!

Well, first of all this:

I have the title, so this is not a whine from someone who doesn't want to put effort in achieving it.

GWAMM is totally wrongly designed.

There are 26 playable titles, after that it's just farming.
I reached 30 with survivor, drunkard, sweet and Kurzick.
2.5 mil gold for the alcohol/sweets, and 400 f***ing hours planting flags outside Lutgardis.

Currently, GWAMM rewards farming.

I play with my friend ranger too, we did everything in game together, HM missions and dungeons, vanquish without ursan (ranger skills >> ursan) cartographer without texmod.

Nevertheless he stopped at 26 titles simply because he wants to PLAY the game, not load a build, go outside somewhere and kill stupid mobs that attack you no matter how much damage they take, or plant flags for 400hrs.

Any achievement that requires 400 hours alone is IMMORAL, should be removed from the game.


I do hope A.net will make changes that TOTALLY REMOVE the need of farming to achieve the max PvE rank.

GWAMM must be given as an accomplishment to have completed every PLAYABLE goal in PvE.

I agree they shouldn't lower any faction points required, just add more ways to grind for them. Grinding the same way all the time gets boring. I'd also like to see Balthazar faction be able to be gain in PVE through some repeatable quests like Kurzick and Luxon faction can be.

400 hours??? and then blame aNet because you spent 400 hours on getting GWAMM? Go outside, there's things there like daylight and oxygen . I could sue Marlboro when I die of lung cancer, but hell, it was me who started smoking :P. gz on the title though .

I agree to you to some extent though, but it's too late now to radically change titles around. I think they will only do minor tweaks.

dang there is alot of high hopes here regarding title changes.....but i guess taming everything down caters more to the average gamer....just goes to show that enough complaints just might get something done. i personally like the title system the way it is due to that fact that erryone shouldn't have the same titles....and those that had the diligence to grind a certain title are rewarded with it. if anet is going to go the way of everyone being able to easily attain r6 gwamm, atleast add an r7 "avatar of burgundy"

I see two points of view in this thread...

1 -> OMFG I'm GWAMM and I don't want anyone else to get titles, now that I got them already! Q.Q

2 -> I'd rather not waste my life grinding titles kthnx.

I'm tending to lean towards no. 2 >.>

Combine character and account titles....

this is actually a leaked ingame screen of the new r7 gwamm aura, attained by reaching 35 max titles.

from left to right: ranger, paragon, warrior, elementalist.

(sarcasm on)
I know why don't we just make everything account based so nobody has to work for anything else except ONE time and ONE time only. People are just too lazy nor have the patience to grind out every single title on every single character it's just not fair is it? (sarcasm off).

Oh i have nothing against anyone else gaining titles. I just want them to have to gain them the way I did. I worked for mine nobody gave them to me.

Here's a third one from my point of view:

3 -> I'm GWAMM and couldn't care less what other people do with their time.

I so agree with all of the above! :')

Oh yes! and add an icon with a countdown title to all that stuff, just like Grog, that was brilliant!

and slipknotOFA, stop whining already.

*prays for less grind*

Well hopefully they will give people who have several GWAMM characters some kind of benefit.

Mine is:

3 -> I have GWAMM, wasted too much time in farming to get it, would have preferred to earn it playing the game instead.


My suggestion would be to add 2 titles:

- Complete all quests of the 3 main campaigns
- Dungeon Master: complete all elite dungeon (Sorrow, Deep, Urgoz, ToPK, DoA, FoW, UW) both in normal and HM

Then change Luxon/Kurzick titles in the EotN style, 160k points obtainable killing foes under bounty, no more repeatable PvE quests, so other 2 PvE titles obtainable in an amount of time comparable to EotN ones (25-30 hours each).

Maybe there could be a split between Kurzick/Luxon PvE and PvP titles, so that doing AB and such stuff would give accountwide PvP-gained faction to be spent to control outposts, whereas PvE-gained faction would be character based and usable for PvE-only skills, amber scrolls and so on.

Anything that reduces the grind I'm for. Not going speculate though.

Well, unfortunately, GuildWars does not come with a "not happy? Life back" guarantee.

But they could perhaps siphon all the excess points farmed for certain titles onto other characters. For example: if you have grinded 160k rep for all 4 EotN reputation titles, and now the max will be, say, 80k, then they get a "1-time-use-only-instant-80k-rep-points" token, that they can then use on a different character. But my guess will be they'll just raise the amount of rep points you get from shrines, so you simply reach the 160k sooner. In that case, see above.

This kind of entries create high expectations. I hope we will not be disappointed.

IMHO Title changes should be just those - but don't go too far with them please. All those suggested changes make sense together:

Kurzick/Luxon:
-Double AB/FA/JQ/Challenge Missions/Shrine Bounties faction rewards permanently.
-Increase Luxon faction rewards for non-repeatable quests (or add a couple new ones) so new PvE players can get their first 10k faction by just questing - the same way Kurzicks always could.
-Add increased faction cap like +2k faction per title rank. (not more or the whole town holding will become a joke)
-Don't change actual point requirements for ranks.

Treasure Hunter/Wisdom:
-Both should be account-based, obv reasons.
-No other changes needed to those titles as the other main problem with them is the current post-HM terrible economy state making treasure hunting just a painful time AND gold-sink (it was completely different before HM update)

Nightfall/EotN reputation titles:
-Maxing them ONCE is absolutely FINE, no changes required at all...
-Having to repeat that for every other character can become a painful grind - cut the grind - give so if you have already max'ed a title
-Those titles should NOT be account-based.

Consumable titles - Drunk/Sweet/Party:
-Should all be account-based, just like Treasure Hunter, for the same reasons - you shouldn't feel punished for wanting to eat sweets/drink/party with a different character than your main title-grinder.

And the single most important title - The Kind of a Big Deal title track:
-Should count unique max'ed titles on the account - should reward a players achievements instead of extreme dedication to just one character.
-This change is actually more important than Account-based HoM for making playing multiple characters a viable playstyle, and in fact this title takes a major role in the HoM itself.
-This also solves the problem of old (pre-Factions) characters being permanently disadvantaged by not being able to be Survivors (Survivor title wouldn't need any change then)
-This change won't make GWAMM easier - it will still require 30 different max'ed titles. Having both LDoA and Survivor potentially increasing the title count doesn't devalue the title - LDoA is harder than at least 30 other titles and won't become a choice for 'easier GWAMM'.

I love you views Yawgmoth. /signed. That last point is what KOABD should have been from the start.

Aye, Yawgmoth wins teh interweb, too bad 75% is porn .

He even wins the porn part!

/signed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, if we are discussing what people call grind here, then the biggest grind title is surely the HA title?? so I think before they attack teh other titles, that this one is the top of the list to be reduced .

Lol, since when is grind the same as PvP? Besides that, play HA on a regular basis, and play AB on a regular basis. It's actually less time-consuming to get HA rank then it is to get AB rank (provided of course you got a team that knows how to play the particular format well).

Ofc there's tards that make pvp look like work, HELL there's even tards that make RA look like work, but I tend to avoid people like that.

If this was to happen, I think a new rank to KoaBD should be introduced for 35 titles. Once Id got gwamm on my ranger, I felt an anti climax and havent really played on her since apart from the odd trapping.
If its given to all my chars, then what reason is there for me to play anymore? Do quests Ive done several times before? Do pvp where you cant get in a group unless you have x rank already? Do RA so all you see is QQ and swearing kids? Sit around and chat? (guess what, theres much more interesting places to chat with more women involved :P ).


As far as the Lux/Kurz faction is concerned, I agree with everything apart from the AB doubling. Maybe increase it somewhat (say 50%), but I know its easy to do over 100k a day in pugs on the double weekends and doubling this wouldnt help JQ/FA and the challenge missions much.

I do ( or have) and AB is much quicker - especially considering the "having the exact right build" in HA
Yes, HA is a grind, how many times have you killed those first lot of NPCs just to sit around and then get rolled by MATH (or whoever is the guild of the moment), just to have to start again.

Note, I AB on the Luxon side so you dont have to wait forever to enter

Maybe I played on off hours then, but the few times I've HA-ed in my life (r1) I didn't find it particularly hard. Of course we got rolled by top guilds but that only hurts for a minute or so, after that the match is over and everyone is dead.

Beats losing as a kurzick on ancestral because all your allies suck, because first I wait 10 minutes to get in and then I get 200 faction.

But then, I don't spend hours before entering a HA match to get the build right, I just grab some folks and go.

I must admit, I havent been to HA for ages now (no one loves a r4 anymore ) and Ive never been in a guild that wasnt primarily pve (so many pugs take it so seriously it seems to me).

well, being a Kurz on AB is a pain to start with - I understand that. Winning on Ancestral as a Lux coz all the Kurz suck is fun though.. heh (especially when Im being cursed for being on my toucher too! :P)

Me hug Anet for killing those so called "Gods Walking Among Mere Mortals," nothing more entertaining seeing false gods toppled by there arrogance. *Evil grin*

P.S. been reading too much lately.

If there's something that makes HA grind, it's that and nothing else
LOL I do that too, but then with riposte wammos, then I turn local on, and sit back with popcorn, it's priceless!

*crosses fingers for questing title*

What are these obvious reasons? Account based wisdom is not going to make more golds drop for your account so it does nothing to alleviate the grind of the title. If you think it does by eliminating the storage chest shuffle of ids to one toon to another is some sort of solution then you are wrong you will never max the title doing that. Treasure account wide would knock off possibly 1% - 3% just because some randomly encountered chest could be added to the title. 3% from 10,000 chests is a joke. The massive grind of chest running is not significantly eased by making treasure account wide.

Wrong here as well. There is a huge change that needs to be done ever thought about reducing the insane title cap? 10,000 of anything in this game is excessive. Instead of making treasure and wisdom account wide they need to be reduced to 5000 at least to give players relief from the ridiculous grind.

Reputation grind and SS/LB should not be lumped together. The rep grind is completely horrible and needs to be addressed. No sane person is going to max out these titles on every toon. These really need to be changed to account based attributes and taken out of the KoaBD track and replaced with quest based titles.

No they shouldn't and you didn't give any reasons anywhere in your post for TH or any other title to be account based.

You are not "being punished" use your consumables how you want to, but if you can't make a logical decision on how to use them you are punishing yourself.

Worst idea ever. After 2.5 years of people playing to a character based title worst thing you can do is make it account-wide. Hopefully you can see why in my response below.

Most GWAMM play more than one toon so what are you talking about? Making the KoaBD track account wide hurts players of multiple characters by punishing people with duplicate titles on multiple characters. They will get screwed with every title that becomes account based. Especially people with multiple toons in the KoaBD track. This is probably the most unfair and punitive change possibly looming. If a person has three characters who are PKM or two characters GWAMM you think wiping that out and nullifying every character they individually developed is helping to make multi-character play a viable playstyle? You are destroying multi-toon play with that philosophy. There are people who have all protectors titles on every profession playing all 10 characters equally and you want to give some one with protecter on just one toon the same honor of wearing the title on every class that they have earned? You are beyond wrong.
No it doesn't. The account wide HoM solved that problem for these players my GWAMM is a pre-factions character, but thanks to the coming HoM update my LS and LDoA toons can be counted towards GW2 just like post-factions toons. Monkeying with GW1 KoaBD has nothing to do with it.

Yes it will, which is why you want the change. It is a hella lot harder to max 30 titles on one toon than spreading it out across an account where you can use the optimum character for every situation. It waters the title down tremendously.

Lockpick retain chance
Yes please

hey guy above (edit: Shadowspawn X) no one cares. guild wars wasn't supposed to be grind, and it still isn't especially with Linsey around.

if you bought this game to grind titles you bought the wrong game. sorry!

curiouser and curiouser

/signed

/double signed

mixed feelings. Those peeple ,,whether they have a real live or not''
must have a big dedication to get that title, so for me they have deserved it.
But true, it is disappointing that you are forced to play with one character
for that is up to now...dont know whats gonna happen...
We just have to w8 and see