IMO there are 2 major reasons why the game is delayed; rising expectations of the MMO consumer for the polish of the product and a flood of titles released into the market.
Anyone who has been trying any of the more recent releases into the mmo market such as Fury, Hellgate, Age of Conan, Warhammer Online, will notice that expectations of the consumer high for these products. Fury and Hellgate are done for. AOC nose dived as it was released in far too unpolished a state. WAR is currently settling in after release but people are really hounding the developers on a number of issues after what was a pretty decent release. To cut the chase, I think its clear that Guildwars needs an extremely clean release to satisfy the demand of the player base. There are no excuses anymore. People won't accept 'well you have to expect it its an mmo'.
Again, a number of games released not to mention the announcement and release of information about SC2 and D3. We're being flooded with variety of interesting features options for our money and GW2 is facing increased competition. When something is announced it HAS to stand out from the crowd. Its possible the game just isn't in a state right now to show anything that will fully satisfy. A lot of work might be done, but it might not be the kind of flashy cinematics or game footage that will make players ooo and ahhh.
Has there seriously been no GW2 news?
Winstar
SerenitySilverstar
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Chocobo1
Just to keep us hooked? Some concept art, characters that will be shown, anything! Yeah I already know the whole RAWR THEY DONT WANT US BITCHING ABOUT STUFF but uh GW1 is getting zero attention, and we have heard nothing about the game that is requiring all there resources. It's not adding some thrill of suspence, It's making us all look at Diablo 3 and they info we are getting from that. I really just don't understand how D3 can be announced later and it seems like Diablo 3 has developed much futher than GW2 has.
4thVariety
Lack of brand confidence?
Maybe Jeff Strain does not want to become the next Dennis Dyack, Peter Molyneux, or Richard Garriott. I doubt Anet really wants to make an appearance on the next Developers who need to shut up list.. So for better or worse, Arenanet will show us something when they feel it's ready.
The comparison with Blizzard is also not that fair. Blizzard has a totally unique way of promoting their products. They know they got the press by the balls in terms of their brand as a developer and they use it every step of the way. Other companies will try to release huge chunks of information, preferably exclusive to get media attention. Not Blizzard. Blizzard will break the information down into tiny segments and ship them off to print and internet. They want the constant awareness to be there for their product, each month at least a page for every product in every magazine seems to be their goal.
Each patch for WoW will at least get two pages of preview AND two pages of review after release. No other company can pull that off, neither Lotro, nor GW, nor any other MMO can provide patch information early and comprehensive enough to get print (!) previews for their patches! Not that those patches were really that big in comparison to regular MMO content patches. They are simply marketed ten times better.
That assault of information focused on the games themselves (not shooting devs into space [Garriott], or taking bets with customers on NeoGaf [Dyack], or challenging critics to boxing matches [Boll]) is really unique to Blizzard and it really hurts their competitors. In terms of awareness in Podcasts and printing magazines the competitors of Blizzard are falling behind. The NCsoft franchises really struggle to get even mentioned in bad WoW comparisons these days.
Part of the Blizzard trick seems to be that customers want to get early information on the game and discuss it. It's part of the game experience itself. It's not enough playing a game, there is a forum filled with people for which discussing the game is as much "playing" the game as the actual playing of the game.
So if you buy Red Alert 3 this week and try to talk about it with a friend, chances are that Blizzard has already provided your friend with five major discussion points on why SC2 is better than Red Alert 3. That is the competitive advantage of Blizzard compared to anybody else.
It will take a bit more than a few concept art shots and tidbits from ArenaNet to compete with that. It will need a totally new way of approaching promotion. Not the most likely thing I see happening right now, although the announcements to release GW books is a tiny step into that direction.
Maybe Jeff Strain does not want to become the next Dennis Dyack, Peter Molyneux, or Richard Garriott. I doubt Anet really wants to make an appearance on the next Developers who need to shut up list.. So for better or worse, Arenanet will show us something when they feel it's ready.
The comparison with Blizzard is also not that fair. Blizzard has a totally unique way of promoting their products. They know they got the press by the balls in terms of their brand as a developer and they use it every step of the way. Other companies will try to release huge chunks of information, preferably exclusive to get media attention. Not Blizzard. Blizzard will break the information down into tiny segments and ship them off to print and internet. They want the constant awareness to be there for their product, each month at least a page for every product in every magazine seems to be their goal.
Each patch for WoW will at least get two pages of preview AND two pages of review after release. No other company can pull that off, neither Lotro, nor GW, nor any other MMO can provide patch information early and comprehensive enough to get print (!) previews for their patches! Not that those patches were really that big in comparison to regular MMO content patches. They are simply marketed ten times better.
That assault of information focused on the games themselves (not shooting devs into space [Garriott], or taking bets with customers on NeoGaf [Dyack], or challenging critics to boxing matches [Boll]) is really unique to Blizzard and it really hurts their competitors. In terms of awareness in Podcasts and printing magazines the competitors of Blizzard are falling behind. The NCsoft franchises really struggle to get even mentioned in bad WoW comparisons these days.
Part of the Blizzard trick seems to be that customers want to get early information on the game and discuss it. It's part of the game experience itself. It's not enough playing a game, there is a forum filled with people for which discussing the game is as much "playing" the game as the actual playing of the game.
So if you buy Red Alert 3 this week and try to talk about it with a friend, chances are that Blizzard has already provided your friend with five major discussion points on why SC2 is better than Red Alert 3. That is the competitive advantage of Blizzard compared to anybody else.
It will take a bit more than a few concept art shots and tidbits from ArenaNet to compete with that. It will need a totally new way of approaching promotion. Not the most likely thing I see happening right now, although the announcements to release GW books is a tiny step into that direction.
The Little Viking
Yea, I know how you feel. Im at the point where I almost don't believe GW2 is ever going to be reality...(not reality and in real world, but reality as in a real game). Your 100% correct when you ask for a bit of concept art, i fully agree with you. Show us something that will make us believe once again that GW2 will actually come to be. As for people bitching about stuff before the game is even out..well they do that already (this thread is a perfect example, but with a good reason). A majority of the people NEED something to complain about or they do feel important, and that's where the bitching comes in. It doesn't matter the topic, people everywhere are not happy (for the most part) unless they are complaining about something. I say let them bitch...but give us something to base our hopes on Please!
NiukNiuk
NCSoft is focusing on Aion.
Expect no gw2 news until Aion comes out.
Expect no gw2 news until Aion comes out.
xanarot
You wont get anything till the very last moment.
Blizzard: World of Warcraft, also has a new brand for MMORPG in the making (they only say new mmorpg not related to any other brand they have, also keeping everything secret).
EA (?); The next "KOTOR" also becomes MMORPG style.
Thats the 2 largest competitors who should be comming with a new game arround the same time as GW2, seeing the age of the first rumors on both of them. So the more info GW2 releases, the easier it will be for them to copy it (WoW starting to use titles on end-BC and WotLK ringing a bell?).
Not to mention that the 'game of the year' and all that BS they used to advertise Tabula Rasa with (even got some very famous names from other MMORPG to help in the design) turned out so bad players in beta ignored the NDA and started warning people to cancel their pre-order. By the time the game was released, loads soon followed as it really was that bad.
This Tabula Rasa was NCSOFT based, which is also a good reason for them not to advertise the game to much from the start.
Blizzard: World of Warcraft, also has a new brand for MMORPG in the making (they only say new mmorpg not related to any other brand they have, also keeping everything secret).
EA (?); The next "KOTOR" also becomes MMORPG style.
Thats the 2 largest competitors who should be comming with a new game arround the same time as GW2, seeing the age of the first rumors on both of them. So the more info GW2 releases, the easier it will be for them to copy it (WoW starting to use titles on end-BC and WotLK ringing a bell?).
Not to mention that the 'game of the year' and all that BS they used to advertise Tabula Rasa with (even got some very famous names from other MMORPG to help in the design) turned out so bad players in beta ignored the NDA and started warning people to cancel their pre-order. By the time the game was released, loads soon followed as it really was that bad.
This Tabula Rasa was NCSOFT based, which is also a good reason for them not to advertise the game to much from the start.
fenix
The real question is, do ANet really think they can compete with SC2 and D3? Because I know for a fact that they can't.
Shadowspawn X
I don't get these threads at all. They have told us the new races, the storyline , lore, mechanics such as sidekicks and guild homes already. Just give them time to make the product. WTF do you wanna know? Also hold in mind the more specifics they put out in the public , the more their competitors will steal from them.
fenix
What we would like to know, is even the smallest bit of what is going to be in the game. So far it has just been your standard MMO stuff, they haven't actually SHOWN anything (concept art, early areas/monsters) to prove that they're even making a game.
SirSausage
My patience is running out.
Anet should release ANY info if they want to keep us interested in the game.
Its as if GW2 doesnt even exist.
Anet should release ANY info if they want to keep us interested in the game.
Its as if GW2 doesnt even exist.
Numa Pompilius
The name of the game for computer games is "hype".
The hype starts a couple of months before the release of the game - if you start later the buzz does not have time to build, if you start earlier people get bored before the game is out.
Companies like Nintendo with bottomless pockets can literally spend hundreds of millions of dollars building hype around their products, but most companies are pretty much limited to the cheapest and simplest way to build hype around a game: to release info about it, thereby getting people talking about it, posting links about it, and sites/magazines to write articles about it.
As GW2 is still at least a year from release, it's still too soon to start building hype.
The hype starts a couple of months before the release of the game - if you start later the buzz does not have time to build, if you start earlier people get bored before the game is out.
Companies like Nintendo with bottomless pockets can literally spend hundreds of millions of dollars building hype around their products, but most companies are pretty much limited to the cheapest and simplest way to build hype around a game: to release info about it, thereby getting people talking about it, posting links about it, and sites/magazines to write articles about it.
As GW2 is still at least a year from release, it's still too soon to start building hype.
komma
i believe the "hype" was started upon announcement of gw2....i/e pc gamer from way back when.
Sirius-NZ
It seems more than a little strange to me that people are actually questioning whether GW2 is in development...
...well, if it isn't, what do you think they're doing?
I should also note that Diablo 3 had been in development for something like 4-5 years before it was even announced. Blizzard didn't even do that until they'd nailed down what the game was going to be.
GW2 wasn't in the same situation. All we heard were vague ideas; who knows how much has changed since.
...well, if it isn't, what do you think they're doing?
I should also note that Diablo 3 had been in development for something like 4-5 years before it was even announced. Blizzard didn't even do that until they'd nailed down what the game was going to be.
GW2 wasn't in the same situation. All we heard were vague ideas; who knows how much has changed since.
Chocobo1
To me it was pretty much like they announced they are making GW2 and that was it. The only real change I saw was a huge lack of any decent updates in GW1 (Inb4 RAWR MOX WAS AWSUMZ). I'm not asking for them to reveal the entire game but anything would be good just to let us know where they are at or a character class that we can drool over for awhile. Even something like what each race may be good at would be great at this point.
4thVariety
Hype is required when your first week sales are astronomical and then fall to the bottomless pit after that. Hype is for Hollywood movies who need to force their customers into the cinema during the first two weeks because they can't sustain the advertisement campaign required for longer than short periods of time. Hype is for games that look good for 4-5h but then go sour towards the end.
The last thing on Earth ArenaNet should want is old-fashioned hype.
Again, compare to Blizzard, they do not aim to sell for one week only. They build their promotion from the ground to be able to resist a pounding. For every flame you create, for every small annoyance you write about, 1000 fanboys will descend from the trees and defend the design decision as the work of god. And that's what you see is happening with StarCraft and Diablo right now. Nobody will attack the color palette on release, nobody will moan about the Terran only campaign. Blizzard will try to build their promotion in a way that it can defend itself.
The Blizzard way is to slowly easy the product into the mind of the customer as something positive. Only when cunstomers like it will Blizzard proceed. By the time the game is released, the customer has already fallen in love with it and will defend it to his grave, even if it's not setting the world on fire by any stretch of the imagination. The Blizzard customers, much like the Nintendo goon squad, is using peer pressure to eliminate any negativity.
If a Blizzard game fails to catch the press and community however, then they pull a Starcraft:Ghost. Which means that a fully completed game gets scrapped instead of released. By comparison ArenaNet simply throws out the facts. Love them or hate them, nobody is forcing you to buy the game anyway.
The last thing on Earth ArenaNet should want is old-fashioned hype.
Again, compare to Blizzard, they do not aim to sell for one week only. They build their promotion from the ground to be able to resist a pounding. For every flame you create, for every small annoyance you write about, 1000 fanboys will descend from the trees and defend the design decision as the work of god. And that's what you see is happening with StarCraft and Diablo right now. Nobody will attack the color palette on release, nobody will moan about the Terran only campaign. Blizzard will try to build their promotion in a way that it can defend itself.
The Blizzard way is to slowly easy the product into the mind of the customer as something positive. Only when cunstomers like it will Blizzard proceed. By the time the game is released, the customer has already fallen in love with it and will defend it to his grave, even if it's not setting the world on fire by any stretch of the imagination. The Blizzard customers, much like the Nintendo goon squad, is using peer pressure to eliminate any negativity.
If a Blizzard game fails to catch the press and community however, then they pull a Starcraft:Ghost. Which means that a fully completed game gets scrapped instead of released. By comparison ArenaNet simply throws out the facts. Love them or hate them, nobody is forcing you to buy the game anyway.
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When I look at future games (Aion, TCOS, D3, SC2) and read that they may have monthly fees, Anet's decision to release a no-monthly-fee game (a position they held from the very start, without changing) is important for me (and quite a lot of people looking at how much they sold).
4thVariety's post on marketing made a lot of sense to me. You can't fight against Blizzard Activision (never forget to put the last "Activision" bit, they're now a bigger mammoth than before!). I surely hope that GW2 will have a much better community and Anet will deal with its community in a better way than with GW1 (and please, ten times please, do NOT use the wiki as a forum!)
Edit: 4thVariety's 2nd post is again spot on IMO. Blizzard Activision is as much an MMO company, as a social engineering company via its viral marketing (Mr. T and Shatner on TV for that game? political virtual march by Ron Paul?). Well, not that it's a bad thing, a nice social communtiy is important to any game, but so many fanboys, and that kind (virtual) of social interaction costs $13, so no thank you...
Numa Pompilius
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Hype works. Hype sells.
If you don't like the negative connotations of the word hype, call it "buzz" then - it's the same thing but with positive connotations. You start building buzz to early and people get bored with your product before it's even on sale, you need to time the release of info so peoples interest peaks at release.
After that the product sells (or not) on its own virtues. That the present hollywood blockbuster movies are computer-animated crap is besides the point.
EDIT: And wth are you talking about - WoW was preceded by IMMENSE hype!
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Arduin
I, for one, will play Diablo 3, Starcraft 2 and any other major game right alongside GuildWars 2. That is, if they are free to play.
I'm doing the same at the moment. Bit of GW, bit of Team Fortress 2, bit of any other reasonably intelligent game. That's the major advantage of free to play games. You can drop them if you want.
That's also the main reason why I'm not concerned whether GW2 launches in 2009 or 2011, and whatever game will be launched right beside GW2. Anet got the money and dedication to deliver a nifty new game. Players will buy GW2 just as they bought GW1, for some cheap fun, without having to pay $10 each month even when you are not playing.
I'm doing the same at the moment. Bit of GW, bit of Team Fortress 2, bit of any other reasonably intelligent game. That's the major advantage of free to play games. You can drop them if you want.
That's also the main reason why I'm not concerned whether GW2 launches in 2009 or 2011, and whatever game will be launched right beside GW2. Anet got the money and dedication to deliver a nifty new game. Players will buy GW2 just as they bought GW1, for some cheap fun, without having to pay $10 each month even when you are not playing.
Fril Estelin
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Tell that to Nintendo who spent some 200 million dollars building the comically hysterical hype preceding the release of the Wii.
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http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?t=700161
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9653
http://www.gotfrag.com/sc2/forums/thread/371169/
http://www.sc2blog.com/2007/12/25/th...that-mattered/
Esan
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I actually googled these before writing my post, so I can only point you to forum threads, without solid references (such as articles or company statements), but it looks like its a possiblity
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4thVariety
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After that the product sells (or not) on its own virtues. That the present hollywood blockbuster movies are computer-animated crap is besides the point.
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There were far more aggressive ways to push product during that time WoW launched its release campaign. Sony was already plastering huge sports events (Champions League Football is about as expensive as it can get) with their ads. Nintendo was creating complementary anime series for Pokemon, handing them to TV stations FREE OF CHARGE to promote the game. Today we have to ask if the new James Bond movie is promoting the game or vice versa, since both will rake in a ton of money on the back of each other. Sega experimented with Fast Food Chain trinkets, even Guild Wars got rather aggressive in Korea with its Coke Items.
If you take that as your yardstick, then Acti-Blizz is very conservative and hardcore gamer focused when it comes to advertising. Or when was the last time you saw Michael Morhaime shoot Steven Colbert's sperm into space?
Fril Estelin
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If you take that as your yardstick, then Acti-Blizz is very conservative and hardcore gamer focused when it comes to advertising.
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Is this a good time to point out that Blizzard bought entire episodes of Southpark and Simpsons, and certainly is no stranger to bizarre merchandizing?
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I think that we found the GW equivalent of the Godwin's Law: "As a Guru discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving WoW approaches one."
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Is this a good time to point out that Blizzard bought entire episodes of Southpark and Simpsons, and certainly is no stranger to bizarre merchandizing?
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No matter what anyone says, you can't deny that "make love, not warcraft" was a direct rip at WoW. It has certainly put people i know off warcraft.
OP: /agree
-Sonata-
To quote this from a friend of mine on IM some months ago while we chit chatted during a ballgame;
Point I'd like to restate again. All the hype in the world, just to give us a warm fuzzy feeling inside now, won't help in the end if they rush the game to market as "slop". Hellgate is now the latest victim of such a move.
And on the topic of WoW (which I will state for the record, I do not enjoy playing); WoW came into the scene at the right time - When the MMO market was just starting to catch on. They were, for all literal speaking terms, in the right place at the right time. Blizzard was smart in anticipating and seeing that gamers are drawn to RPG games that can be played online and with your buddies! Reality is, it could have been anyone to summit that Everest first. It just so happens Blizzard was that one. Sure, EQ, Ultima, and earlier online games paved the road, but it was Blizzard who saw the great potential first. Kudo's to Blizzard though. They have used that to great advantage. There's nothing wrong with that.
The problem a lot of MMO makers are repeating nowadays is they're trying to kill the giant as quickly as possible and you just can't do that in such an industry that is so totally saturated and saturated with junk. Junk that it's not whether we can afford the monthly fees (if applicable), but whether it's worth the monthly fees. Junk that, for some reason, the developers figured their company name and pretty packaging could sustain success.
To quote my buddy again when we discussed name recognition;
Anet put out a gem with Guild Wars. Now, we can debate all day if it's the same game as it was when it was released, but that's for another thread. As it stands though, Anet now has name recognition with this franchise. If GW2 is rushed to please us, just to make us feel all warm and fuzzy inside, will we still appreciate it if it's buggy as hell because of that push? Will we be thankful if it runs into the fate of Hellgate? The charge out the door AoC had, but ended up tripping on the first step?
I'm all for hype, eye candy, and being excited about an upcoming game. I just want that hype and eye candy to be presented when it's ready. Don't show me that juicy, perfectly arranged, Big Mac to tempt me and then rush me a dried out pile of slop
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Point I'd like to restate again. All the hype in the world, just to give us a warm fuzzy feeling inside now, won't help in the end if they rush the game to market as "slop". Hellgate is now the latest victim of such a move.
And on the topic of WoW (which I will state for the record, I do not enjoy playing); WoW came into the scene at the right time - When the MMO market was just starting to catch on. They were, for all literal speaking terms, in the right place at the right time. Blizzard was smart in anticipating and seeing that gamers are drawn to RPG games that can be played online and with your buddies! Reality is, it could have been anyone to summit that Everest first. It just so happens Blizzard was that one. Sure, EQ, Ultima, and earlier online games paved the road, but it was Blizzard who saw the great potential first. Kudo's to Blizzard though. They have used that to great advantage. There's nothing wrong with that.
The problem a lot of MMO makers are repeating nowadays is they're trying to kill the giant as quickly as possible and you just can't do that in such an industry that is so totally saturated and saturated with junk. Junk that it's not whether we can afford the monthly fees (if applicable), but whether it's worth the monthly fees. Junk that, for some reason, the developers figured their company name and pretty packaging could sustain success.
To quote my buddy again when we discussed name recognition;
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I'm all for hype, eye candy, and being excited about an upcoming game. I just want that hype and eye candy to be presented when it's ready. Don't show me that juicy, perfectly arranged, Big Mac to tempt me and then rush me a dried out pile of slop
Bigger Redd
Just browsing recent anet related stuff, I came across an interesting press release.
http://www.umbrasoftware.com/
Developmag press release
http://www.umbrasoftware.com/
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| The compelling worlds of titles like Guild Wars 2 and Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures rely on Umbra™ visibility optimization |
Chasing Squirrels
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Abedeus
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Are you kidding me?
No matter what anyone says, you can't deny that "make love, not warcraft" was a direct rip at WoW. It has certainly put people i know off warcraft. OP: /agree |
And usually things from South Park make fun of things. So they made fun of WoW, just like they made of Indiana Jones' last adventure (NUKE ZE FRIDGE!!!) or Cloverfield.
4thVariety
It's safe to assume that if Blizzard really funded an episode of anything, the consequences of consuming a Blizzard product as portrayed within that episode might be a tiny bit more positive than in South Park's "Make Love not Warcraft".
Numa Pompilius
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As much as I don't like Blizzard Activision, I'm not sure you can say they "bought" episodes. The wiki says they collaborated, the southpark creators wanted to have a WoW episode.
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Come on. OF COURSE money changed hands.
EDIT: @4thvariety: Blizzard hated the southpark episode so much that they implemented the sword of truth in the game as a competition reward.
4thVariety
If a production company decides to self-prostitute their franchise in the name of pop cultural references then they are free to do so. That does not make Blizzard the funders of said episode and it does not count towards the marketing budget. They got it because they are big and they have to live with it, much like all corporations being ripped on by South Park, Family Guy, American Dad and others. If they liked it, good for them, but they sure did not pay South Park and they did not pay Stephen Colbert for World of Colbertcraft.
My issue was active marketing fully perpetrated by Blizzard marketing department. Even with the upcoming launch of a new expansion, that's not something a non-gamer would even notice. Which is very different for other companies, such as MS, who start whole Viva Pinata TV shows to push their consoles to a younger audience. Nothing compared to Sony being in the face of non-gamer every day on many TV channels (Singstar TV show!). It's also nothing in the face of Wii and DS who are more active in pushing content into magazines for elderly women than making appearances at trade shows.
My issue was active marketing fully perpetrated by Blizzard marketing department. Even with the upcoming launch of a new expansion, that's not something a non-gamer would even notice. Which is very different for other companies, such as MS, who start whole Viva Pinata TV shows to push their consoles to a younger audience. Nothing compared to Sony being in the face of non-gamer every day on many TV channels (Singstar TV show!). It's also nothing in the face of Wii and DS who are more active in pushing content into magazines for elderly women than making appearances at trade shows.
Quaker
My 2 cents:
It seems to me that ANet (or NCsoft, or whoever) announced GW2 primarily to explain why there was not going to be any more GW1 campaigns. In that sense, it was announced very early in it's production schedule. If it wasn't for the GW1 issue, you probably wouldn't even know about GW2 at this point.
Most games are announced when they are well into their production.
It`s not that surprising that there's been no other news about GW2. It's too soon. The bit about the early announcement of TF2 and what it was supposed to be, should indicate the dangers of making too many statements too soon.
Anyone reading this thread should take the time to follow the link to Fan Dumb and find themselves there.
Oh, and another thing, to those people commenting upon "average gaming computers":
Average "new" gaming computers is nowhere near the same as average specs for "all" gaming computers. The same way as average gas mileage for new cars is not the same as average gas mileage for all cars on the road.
It seems to me that ANet (or NCsoft, or whoever) announced GW2 primarily to explain why there was not going to be any more GW1 campaigns. In that sense, it was announced very early in it's production schedule. If it wasn't for the GW1 issue, you probably wouldn't even know about GW2 at this point.
Most games are announced when they are well into their production.
It`s not that surprising that there's been no other news about GW2. It's too soon. The bit about the early announcement of TF2 and what it was supposed to be, should indicate the dangers of making too many statements too soon.
Anyone reading this thread should take the time to follow the link to Fan Dumb and find themselves there.
Oh, and another thing, to those people commenting upon "average gaming computers":
Average "new" gaming computers is nowhere near the same as average specs for "all" gaming computers. The same way as average gas mileage for new cars is not the same as average gas mileage for all cars on the road.
Fril Estelin
Just thought about this thread when reading Regina's wiki discussion page:
Just mentioning it so that people can quote facts, and no rumor is spread.
Did you notice the "since we have seen the game"?
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Originally Posted by Regina
Seriously, I wish I could talk about it. Everyone on the Community Team is dying for them to allow us to show you something, but the development and production teams just won't have it. They're not ready to show anything off to the public just yet. They want to impress everyone and make a big splash. This is the reasoning behind the decision. Also, there are also strong business reasons for it. For example, we don't want to show off stuff that our competitors might copy. The Community Team is just as impatient as you, even moreso since we have seen the game, but unfortunately, the Powers That Be have decided to keep everything hush-hush for now. --Regina Buenaobra Image:User Regina Buenaobra sig.png 02:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
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Did you notice the "since we have seen the game"?
lustnlood
ok so... a few things.. first off i would like to exress my great disproval of the unlimited level thing.
nw for the real stuff.
GW2 is going to be what can be called the next generation of MMO so you would expect the team to not allow any information realeased, i mostly think that it is because some retarded games like WOW omg boring game might copy it or use it or w/e.
secondly you have to realize that what the ANET team is in the process of accomlishing would dwarve even the most popular games like diablo, world of retardedness and starcraft blah blah blah.
be patient, greatness is not achieved through making abrupt and hasty work. but i can promise this, WHEN GW2 comes out whoever said that GW sucks or phrases of the sort is going to swallow his tongue big time.
Be patient guild wars will come.
nw for the real stuff.
GW2 is going to be what can be called the next generation of MMO so you would expect the team to not allow any information realeased, i mostly think that it is because some retarded games like WOW omg boring game might copy it or use it or w/e.
secondly you have to realize that what the ANET team is in the process of accomlishing would dwarve even the most popular games like diablo, world of retardedness and starcraft blah blah blah.
be patient, greatness is not achieved through making abrupt and hasty work. but i can promise this, WHEN GW2 comes out whoever said that GW sucks or phrases of the sort is going to swallow his tongue big time.
Be patient guild wars will come.
Stuart444
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Just thought about this thread when reading Regina's wiki discussion page:
Just mentioning it so that people can quote facts, and no rumor is spread. Did you notice the "since we have seen the game"? |
makes me a bit excited now actually since they want to do just that (impress people and make big splash i mean lol)
pamelf
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Just thought about this thread when reading Regina's wiki discussion page:
Just mentioning it so that people can quote facts, and no rumor is spread. Did you notice the "since we have seen the game"? |
pumpkin pie
not sure if anyone has read this
http://www.massively.com/2008/09/24/...-guild-wars-2/
The newly appointed President of NCWest says they are very encouraged by what they see.
"David Reid: First thing: I'd be remiss if I didn't acknowledge that we, too, have an enormous amount of enthusiasm for Guild Wars 2! And we're very encouraged by what we're seeing."
http://www.massively.com/2008/09/24/...-guild-wars-2/
The newly appointed President of NCWest says they are very encouraged by what they see.
"David Reid: First thing: I'd be remiss if I didn't acknowledge that we, too, have an enormous amount of enthusiasm for Guild Wars 2! And we're very encouraged by what we're seeing."