Costume Brawl 2008

What, in any POSSIBLE way, is Dark wrong? Please. Tell me. I'd love for someone to clearly explain how he is wrong. Dark is CLEARLY explaining why bhavv's statement of, "CB consists of ONLY pressure and gank." Is wrong. Frankly, bhavv is only hurting himself by pigeon-holing his strategy by saying, "Nope, I shouldn't call severely weakened targets because we should be focusing on out-pressuring the enemy."

No no no, quit playing the Monk wrong. It's not meant to be a damage class in CB. Quit spamming your signets on recharge on a target. Use Bane Signet to block ~200 damage from an Assassin's Blades of Steel. Or when trying to flee crumbling battle, use Bane Signet to stop a Bull's strike or crippling slash from landing. Use Signet of Judgement to interrupt long casting skills like the ~200 damage Shatterstone skill. Quit being a failbot with the monk.

Or just that you suck at it. Ever thought about trying to rupt his Black Spider Strike with your Iron palm so that he doesn't get his BoS off? Letting him knock you down with his Iron Palm chain first. Obviously not since you don't even think about it. The most capable skill you can provide to a team is to mindlessly press 1-5. Good job, you fail at the Assassin in CB.

Really? The best condition removal in the game should be considered bad? The fact that they can turn those exact same conditions back onto a their foes? That's considered bad? Assume a 2v2 battle between an Azn and necromancer against a Warrior and an Elementalist, two classes that everyone likes to consider far superior than others. Elementalist will try to blind the Azn but with no luck. In fact, this blindage will be reversed back onto the warrior. Unfortunately the Necromancer is weak against casters but the Azn can take care of that by simply attacking the Elementalist first, which is easy to do since the necromancer's hexes last a hell-of-a lot longer than Hidden Caltrops.

You think partywide non-removable anti-pressure is considered bad? The fact that a paragon is what you want to have when things start to crumble and your team needs to fallback. Oh wait! He's got the skill, fallback! Geez, a speed boost for everyone in order to get away? Awesome! With the same logic of the battle cry shrine, with a speed boost, a person can choose when they want to enter battle; the same can be said about snares too.

Mesmer is solid no matter who it is fighting if a person plays it right. The only drawback of the Mesmer that I see is it has no snare.

Well, someone is living up to their name.... Anet just choose bad skill set for the sin. Every other class has some sort of non-req kd, except Rit and they can make it impossible to hit them. I don't press 1-5 mindlessly, but thanks for making an ass of yourself.

Spikes don't have to be 321 to be a spike.

AND THERE IS SYNCING IN CB. Those syncers CAN COMMUNICATE through vent. If you haven't faced any I don't know what to say to you.

Are you saying that the ~200 damage from just the Black Spider Strike - Twisting Fangs combo is crap in CB? If you are, you have no idea what you're talking about and you need to quit QQ'ing.

Quit sucking and interrupt their Weapon of warding or attack a DIFFERENT target than the one that's protted. Quit spamming your attack skills and know that a prot is coming. Take advantage of it. Quit QQ'ing over your poor skill level and learn how to play the game.

Oh but how about the elementalist? all they have to do is blind you. Interrupt it! Tele to them when they use their Glyph of immolation and interrupt the oncoming steam skill about to be activated. Then finish them off with your combo. More QQ'ing solved by simple presence of skill.

How about the Ranger? All they have to do is cripple me and interrupt my attack skills to shut me down.

A: Stop mindlessly running to Rangers when they use their millie shot. Press your cancel button before the shot hits and now viola! You're not crippled!

B: Your hex spell removes their stance. Don't go rambo on them and hit your hex then 1-5. Instead you should pressure them with auto attacks then when their stance comes up, activate your hex. There goes the snared, soon-to-be dead ranger.

C: Quit spamming your attack skills against rangers. KNOW that there will be interrupts coming and spread out your attack skills in order to deal with it. It's not that hard. After you snare, hit them with a BSS - TF combo, scatter the hits, to start the pressure. Then when they need to activate Trolls or Antidote Sig, hit them with your Iron palm Blades of Steel combo. It's not THAT hard if you just use your head.

I could go on and on. Learn how to play with the skills you have instead of crying about it. You'll get more crap done.

You obviously do.

wow, the number of idiots who are starting to insist on going to morale first in the 3 capture points map is amazing. Lost 3 in a row because of this crap, 1 of them was a fricken 4v5 and noone got a single kill but me. Too many stupid people today.

saw my first bot in cb today (not using any skill, randomly moving or following others)

hope cb won't turn into a botfest

Seriously. The first two days of Costume Brawl were great. Now though it's just getting harder and harder to find people that understand the game. I mean, I have teams that yell at me for wanting Battlecry and Energy shrine because they tell me "THEY DO NOTHING!" I didn't play much today because I think I'm near my limit of Costume Brawl. Of course, when you do get a good team, it really cheers up your day and gives you hope that people are actually trying in the game.

I love having an arena where we are given our builds and have to make them work, but the shrines cause such a split of strategies in random teams. Oh well, I still love it; shame it's only once a year.

more liek syncbrawl 2008

Amen, I spent 5 matches out of a 10 match win streak trying to explain to a team why going to the middle was stupid. How we won that many, well 3 monks helps...

Yeah, I saw a few syncs today but thankfully all but 1 sucked hard. The problem is that the huge gamer points you get from high streaks tempts alot of people. When you can get 50 points a win on a title thats only obtainable a few weeks every year... well you can see the incentive.

Hopefully Anet has some way of arranging matches so that teams who are winning alot have a higher chance to be matched up with teams of similar victories, rather then just completely randomly. Probably not, though it would be a good idea.

Sync joining seems big buisiness. It's even worse than RA.

Syncing is understandable because of the extremely imbalanced nature of adding enough healing to your party, while other parties on average get 1 or less mo or rit.

Bad job Anet for never solving the syncing exploit, this title is going to seem like an exploiters one after this.

Hero Battles + RA, with everyone syncing.

This is the best thing ANet has ever put in the game!!!!1111!!!!

I only really find costume brawl fun when it's two sync'ed teams against another. When you put in a gametype which necessitates team work and co-ordination, randomising the teams is only going to lead to frustration and failure. I'd really wish there was a team version of this...

Had a 30 con run yesterday, before I had to go.

Just had some game with a monk that said: Ok we fail when we just loaded and then did nothing anymore, except killing himself. He told our team to resign, else he would report us and make sure we will get a 72h ban. He made us believe he knew some guy working at ANET that could do this. We, of course, told him to shut up and just won the game. He started to rage at us and left. After the game, we all got an PM from him. He said that he send his email and that we all would be banned in about 5 hours.

Not sure if I gotta feel sad or just laugh about it.

Sigh.

Here we go again. We talking about Costume Brawl and he's talkin about GvG


Tyla, your arguments look like this:

Me: A broom is better for dust cleaning than hammer
You: No man ffs! You're a noob. Broom can't smash stones and chestnuts! Hammer is obviously better!


But anyway, the discussion is pointless. I'm ok with both monks and Rts, I prefer monk, but whoever wants to play Rt sure no problem. I have great experiences with both in my team.

Monks atm are manly x) - Kinda like em , the Kd's from Sig of Judgment, (AoE dmg), Bane Signet and Castigation etc makes damage after a while, having 4ppl balling around on sin and i just spam Smites and Sig is fun 2v4 and we wiped em all I kinda like the domage and kd from monks, make 2v2 much bettah.

Great; Ranger,Ele,Rt
Good;Dervish,Warrior,Sin, Monks(Fun bar to play but not really the best bar)
Other; Mesmer, Necro <-Good to some extend but usually <R, Para works but meh

But kinda nice u get, Balthzar Faction, Gamer Points and 1k each win! (5x ToT bags)

Would hope this had stayed bit more

Got a 2x Monk,1xRt, 1x Sin , 1x War - worked great until we met synced - 1x Derv, 2x Rt, 2x Ranger... It hate that 6/8 of the monk bar is 1sec cast one decent ranger an ur RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed :/

I agree, they should take their discussion to pm really, but then again they both have something to prove that they think the whole message board needs to see.

Like most of these stupid quote wars that happen

I guess mods are not concerned about rude posts anymore. After such posts threads were getting closed in the past.


@OP Whichever character I play as in other pvp areas the most enjoyable part is winning with random guys against an organized party.

Most memorable moment during this event, I was playing as Zho my team was loosing 15-7, throwing themselves one by one at their mob, I capped all the outside shrines, we regrouped and won 20 to 19

Heheh, I loves impersonator brawl 2008

First thing to say before the match starts;
"I would tell you not to face them 1vs.5, to run while outnumbered, and to try to keep capping, but I know this isn't the time or place for idealism."

Telling someone to stop being bad is not rude. Either the person sucks and therefore should take the advice, or they don't and therefore have no reason to be offended. And if the person saying it is bad, then it just becomes hilarious for everyone.

By that logic, throwing rocks at a crippled person and calling him demeaning names in reference to his crippled stature is not rude, because he is either crippled and therefore it is true, or he's not and therefore it shouldn't bother him. Whether a statement is true or not doesn't affect it's rude factor. And yes, I realize the rock throwing doesn't really have a direct point to the analogy, but I had to add some drama somehow, its guru after all.

Irony of ironies if this post gets deleted...

Actually no, that was the only time I compared it to GvG. Even then, where in PvP is smiting being used outside of the HB meta for buffing an Assassins' damage? Why? Because it's weaker than other possible things. The only reason it's used in HB is because of the additional damage; and the minor damage from the Smite skills is merely an addon.

I'm actually not going to delete this post just so I can highlight how irrelevant it is. You even recognized the fact but still went ahead, which makes me think you're doing it just to irritate me. Hell, even if your post was decent, your little burst of oppressed peasant voice at the end condemns it.

Of course there are qualifiers to everything, why would you even bother to give an extreme example as some sort of counter-argument? That can be done for anything to prove anything. The post in question is not extreme, and that is what is being referred to. Being called a bad player is not a personal remark in itself, if the entire tirade crossed that line it would be a different matter.

I like how you quote his post but you don't bother mentioning that what you quoted is in response to another person talking about taking Smite outside of CB. Nice try tho.

Telling someone they are terrible and backing it up with something is not rude, it's the truth (generally). Now if I just went around telling Bhavv he's terrible at the game cause he thinks Monks were good and that is all I said (ie: no content, just YOU SUCK), that'd be rude, but for example I gave actual data that didn't involve bad players and such, and that Elitist guy or whatever is also doing the same.

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I replayed the Para bar this morning (I tried it first then played the other DPS classes), and man, it really is terrible. The lack of Blazing & Leader's Comfort really kills it cause Never Surrender is just bad. :x

I remember when I first played it I went lolwut, especially when I got to the Ranger, but there really isn't one useful thing it brings to the table that the Ranger can't do better except for an AoE +regen and a skill that is not only useless when you have BC, but one that people are too silly to read what it does and so they end it when you use it anyways.

So, um....*ignores last six pages*

So roughly 2.5 stacks of ToT bags later, I've decided to revisit my post from page 1, namely rating the bars without having played. For the record, it went like this.

On review, I can state the following.
Winnars - Ritualist, Ranger
Meh - Warrior, Necro, Monk, Elementalist, Mesmer, Assassin, Dervish
Epic Fail - Paragon

I complained about the monk bar, but let's face it, everything came out pretty balanced. The monk bar is certainly not a good general monk bar, but it's a good enough Costume Brawl bar. Being able to spam Guardians and WoH's would've just made it retarded. Also from my experience, the only useful thing I've experienced with the Paragon bar is Fall Back!

All in all gg Anet.

Yeah, I had some 1v1 fights vs paras over a shrine where I just took out a shortbow and pewpew'ed him adding sloth on recharge. Para dies.

It's pretty dumb how paras have absolutely nothing. Terrible self-heal, terrible condition removal, one of the lowest DPS...

Its not like paragons had a chance of being good in this format to begin with. How many paragons do you see in Hero battles? Even if you could design the best paragon build possible it wouldn't stack up against the relatively mediocre builds the other classes were given.

Barbed Spear
Maiming Spear
Merciless Spear
Anthem of Guidance [E]
"Brace Yourself!"
"Fall Back!"
Leader's Comfort
Remedy Signet

I'm not going to say this is good, but I think it's balanced in comparison to the other builds. Barbed+Maiming = Melandru's Shot, Anthem of Guidance works as a counter to Warding, Natty, etc., Brace for Signet of Judgment, speed boost for capping, and in exchange for all the support, no +damage skills. It's the party support a paragon should be.

That's my two cents on making a viable Costume Brawl Paragon build. Feel free to rip me apart now.

BTW I know Anthem of Guidance sucks, just for the record.

To be fair, I made a good human paragon build that I use every hb weekend (can't be bothered to play hb otherwise) that rolls through most of the meta builds, but its gimmicky and its elite is from a secondary, which counts it out from cb.

Being able to snare is worth nothing if you don't have the damage to finish off the kill, and you have to be much faster because the para doesn't have the range of a ranger. Leader's comfort is better healing, but not nearly enough to survive for the amount of time a para would need to get a kill. An elite skill that only helps against one skill on one class and only when you have multiple characters who are physical and are coordinated enough to be all smacking one target, I think you can see how it gets too situational. You still need some self survivability, because the whole match sure isn't a 5v5 where your party support comes into play. I would still rate it lower then any class.

IMHO, the paragon could have been decent if anet made a few CB-only skill changes. As far as skill choices the paragon has the ones that you would want in CB, the problem is that the skills just happen to be too weak compared to the equivalents other classes are using.

Make Cruel Spear = conditionless deep wound. Remedy signet = lose 2 conditions. Never Surrender = +4 regen and conditionless. Maybe Fall Back = 20 second recharge. Paragons could definitely be top tier with that. More spike then ranger, more party support, but losing on self survivability and interrupts.

With 6 casters and only one of them with condition removal, Stunning Spear would've been a hell of a lot better. Or heck, spear swipe. That power would almost make up for their other gimpitude.

This.

That would have given them something unique and worth it easily.

Spear swipe wouldn't work too well, even the dumbest of casters is going to figure out how to counter that after the first time its used against them. Stunning Strike would work pretty well, if Disrupting throw was then switched for Burning Shield to protect the paragon against the sin tele-rapes and the ranger pseudo-cripshots they would probably be average, at least better then the necro.

Best builds by far have to be warrior, ranger, rit and monk. I think the reason warrior would be deemed middle class is because a lot of people seem to suck with the war and use of bull's strike and such. But when you do get access to a pro warrior the knockdown and spike helps a lot.

I only wish I could have had a group of people to sync 1 monk 1 rit and 3 rangers or 2 rangers 1 war. Could only imagine the qq.

ranger and warrior are nice but i had more fun whit necro and assasins

Wow....Please think maybe that I was talking in term of the build, not what my own actions are.I know how to monk, and, seriously, calling me a failbot when you didn't understand what I was saying?

i tried the ele monk and rit build, and my favorite was the rit. very fun to play

I still like Ranger the most in any "pvp" including Costume Brawl.

I find elementalist and monk in the 2008CB very fun and easy to play

haven't try the rest of the profession, as I have, along the way of getting annoy by a certain event that I don't want to mention, gone back to farming for Trick or Treat bag in my favourite secret spots as I have earn my first Skillz rank, next rank wintersday woot hopefully.