"Longest Set of Guild Wars Update Notes Ever"

Corporate America just called and told me they'll take an order of as many of the latter as you can round up.

Its obvious the team is very passionate about what they do. I wish I could say the same about what I do for a living.

Row row fight the power? Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Anyways, people that don't care (or are idiots) usually shout the loudest, nothing to see here, keep moving folks.

Wonder what the changes are, I get done with all my exams Thursday as well, so definitely something to look forward to during the weekend.

Wow, just wow. Would love a poll of people on this site that actually work in jobs that have CONSEQUENCES. Real consequences. Maybe then some of you would understand that making mistakes is bad. That in today's environment FATIGUE is no longer an excuse.

I am an office worker, yet my job is classified as safety critical. What this means is that if I make a mistake in the office while doing my job PEOPLE CAN DIE. Assets get ruined - assets worth millions of dollars. But these are nothing compared to the lawsuits from the grieving families. If I make a critical mistake I will be charged with manslaughter. Just the same as if you drive when you are tired and kill someone in another car, you are also charged with manslaughter. Driving tired is not something you do, so why should someone WORK tired.

True, Lindsey does not work in my field, but let's get a little creative here and think of what could happen if she makes a mistake.

- The update flat doesn't work.
- The update makes the servers volunerable to hackers.
- The update makes our account information easily accessible.
- The update crashes the servers leaving us unable to access the game for days while they sort it out.
- Unhappy customers.
- Server roll backs.
- The update deletes our accounts, or even just random toons.
- The update results in random bans.

Now before any of you say none of the above can't possibly happen, I suggest you get a clue about software programming. Small changes can have large unexpected effects. Some code is not stable when processing numbers 0 through to 2 and can crash the computer they are running on. In a program of hundreds of lines it can be incredibly difficult to debug a "program stopping" error. Sometimes whatever interface you are using (ie MS visual studio) does NOT pick up the error.

Just because Lindsey sits in front of a computer all day doesn't make her immune from the effects of fatigue. It doesn't make her immune from making mistakes. Sure, her mistakes aren't likely to kill anyone, but they will make a lot of people very, very unhappy, and if bad enough cost her her job.

I see many of you practically saying you won't accept anything less than perfect, yet you whinge that it might be late, when it is going to be late in an effort to make it "perfect" for you.

Grow up. Delays happen. In EVERY industry. Delays happen because of QA, because today's industry does not accept fatigue or deadlines as an excuse for the consequences of BAD WORK.

Ironically, your insights into the demands of being a software developer sound like you would be useless for any job other than stacking shelves at a supermarket.

Shame how there's never a discussion on Guru. It's always in some form of nagging, whether it be on arenanet or other players.

You're welcome to start a thread with a solid discussion topic regarding Guild Wars.

Yes. Because it is.

I don't give a damn how much an update is delayed, so long as its done right. That goes the same for GW2. Take your time guys, and just block out idiots like the above. (Not Avarre, sillies! Listen to him.)

when this one is going live?
tonight?

More like tomorrow. Or the day after.

actually it is.. very demanding, Linsey should not sit at the computer the whole its bad for her hand

I, for one, am grateful for the time Linsey and her team has put into this update. If by chance she reads this portion of this topic, I hope she ignores the ignorant comments by the drooling window-lickers of the thread. For those of you who think coding is easier than a physically taxing job; Mentally taxing jobs are MUCH harder than physically taxing jobs in my opinion. I've done both.

These people probably just want to make sure that the update will work for all accounts.


People who got like 5000+ points on chesthunter for instance, don’t want to end up with 200 chests account wide. Testing prevents mishaps like that.


Of course I’m also interested in what the update brings. But rushing the update would apparently mean risking that things might get messed up. They just need the time to NOT let that happen. I respect that approach more then that they rush & [frenzy] it.

Good prepared update beats “go go go! Rush Rush Update” any day.

Is it gonna include some pvp changes as well? Like skill fixes etc...

I just want to say Thanks to Anet for keeping up the good work, Someone will always find flaws in something. Rest assured there are more people that don't say anything and are GRATEFUL for the efforts put forth.


#1 The people working on these updates get paid right? Last time I checked people don't volunteer to do that kind of work for free...

#2 I don't see all of us giving Anet money every month so that means Anet is spending money on these updates while not recieving its monthly fee from users...

I hear WoW stories where there are classes that are virtually unplayable without an interface mod. AND THEY PAY A MONTHLY FEE! WoW Still can't get it right they have to rely on mods to make the game playable...

The point... If you don't like it stop bitching and go play something else if your still here appreciate the work being done and once in a while get off your high horse and THANK someone for making a good game!


@ Lady Lozza ==== THANK YOU for trying to put real life into perspective!

Fully agree, considering I'm in bio research. Some days I just want to cut sample slices and stock stuff just because I don't have to think about anything while doing them.

You're an idiot. It's not being harsh, if you're so stressed out, overworked and not getting any enjoyment from your job then you need to think of changign your career or what aspect you're working in. Finding developing too hard? Move to community support...

Let's not forget that ANet decides what they expect of their employees, not some random assortment of peanut gallery luminaries on a fan forum.

bhavv - There is such thing as mental strain, which is 90% of the burnout from a computer programmer. Other 10% is carpal tunnel/arthritis.

But seriously have you actually stared at a computer screen for 10 hours straight AND actually used your brain to try and solve logic problems all day. 'Cuz thats all computer programming is, and there's no half assing computer code and having it work right either. They are probably compiling code, testing it, having something go wrong and having to debug from the beginning of their changes again.

Esp with the merging of the treasure/wisdom and changes to the Faction titles. If they don't get it right the first time, they have to roll EVERYONE back. Fix it, release another build and hope they get it right. And pretty much gimping everyone of playing time. If it where just skill bugs, they can always release new builds that just update the skill and harm no one. Well cept for interuptting RA/TA/HA win streaks, but after a few years we should have all gotten over that. But with this they need to get it right on the first run.

But even if they don't, you know they will be fully backing up all server data just incase. But really a rollback is they last thing they want to deal with on top of fixing a new build.

More institutionalized bumhattery. Ever stopped to think that the employer is responsible for the employee too? I'm sure Anet do everything they can to support their employees, and in the end overtime is a choice the employee makes. But when changes need to be made to how the whole "system" works, it should not be falling on just one person - it should be the whole industry taking a good hard look at what it's doing to it's employees...and that includes whiney, uninformed, entitled kids on forums with no empathy, putting way too much pressure on the company.

After two years of inactivity, I come back to this forum. And I just have to say that I'm absolutely beyond flabbergasted by the gross amount of insensitivity and, well, the incredible lack of comprehension about what it's like to work for a deadline-based, project-oriented job. How many of you accusing ArenaNet employees of being "lazy" and not earning their keep have worked in jobs requiring multiple all nighters? If you have worked under such conditions (and trust me, I have), despite how well you try to plan ahead, unexpected details/problems/complications almost always arises. Let me give you an example: I've done three all nighters in a row -- that's 72 hours of thought-based work on 2 hours of sleep -- and the last day was spent entirely dealing with those "unexpected" problems. The point is not, "Oh, my life is so horrible because I'm working non-stop." On the contrary, it was immensely satisfying (and admittedly grueling). The point is that these unexpected issues are quite common in deadline-based projects. My firm is considered the number one firm in our industry in terms of prestige and profit, and we got there for a reason: we're capable, and we know what we're doing. This doesn't mean that we're perfect or infallible, though -- we are all human. To be human is to NOT be able to predict every single possible outcome. ArenaNet is human. Is that such a big surprise?

Also, please remember that I highly doubt anyone, much less the ArenaNet employees, are looking for sympathy, pity, or a shoulder to cry on. They all seem very happy and satisfied in their jobs. What they are asking for is your understanding and patience in a possible delay, and they're nice enough to give you an explanation for the delay.

As someone who recently played a game from Nexon, where game servers crashed repeatedly for three weeks without a single peep from Nexon's direction (still), returning to ArenaNet is like returning to your long lost, idyllic and affectionately doting motherland.

and to all those ppl who are asking for their money(how idiots), im not very satisfied with our goverment, do i have the right to get back my tax ? no... so shut the fu,ck up, thanks

This is possibly one of the smartest posts I have ever seen on GWG, well done (although it was a bit wall of text like but still smart ^_^ )

It seems pretty obvious that you have NO IDEA what continuous mental exertion solving a litany of problems in hundreds or thousands of code can do to a person. I suggest you exert yourself mentally for a sustained period and see how “clear” your opinion of developers become.

What is more consuming, honestly – pulling out pallets and putting cans of peas on a shelf, or reading and writing lines of code countless times, correcting mistakes, finding new problems, all with a deadline creeping ever closer. Keep in mind, if you drop a can of peas, you don’t break your whole canned foods isle. When you go home, you don’t have to think about if those peas you put up yesterday are going to somehow nurf the green beans tomorrow and all your customers will yell at you.

ANet is not complaining – you are! Put yourself in someone else’s shoes before you make snide comments, please.

I doubt Regina will post it here, so heres some more news about the update:
Sounds like theres gonna be a bit of overtime tomorrow

You're on the ball, slowerpoke. Thanks for that.

If anyone wants some details of what will be going in the update, Martin, Peter, and I had an in-game chat earlier today. Links to screen shots as well as a summary were posted on the wiki.

that why they call me slowerpoke

for the wiki challenged, that chat can be found here

was it scheduled somewhere beforehand? cant recall hearing about it untill you mention it in the wiki. or was that the idea to keep the hoi polloi in low numbers

We scheduled it amongst ourselves, and shortly before the chat we told a few players we know. Then word spread pretty fast in-game after we all logged in. :-) We didn't want to announce it before hand and have the district get so full that it lagged beyond reason.

im looking forward to the changes to the unlicky title

I'm never gonna live that down. XD

need to brush up on my spanish to read some of that....but its nice to know what's going on...thanks for that.

though if it is delayed will the xunlai points also be delayed with it?

Thank You Miss ReginaB for the update news.

At least we know what to expect and hope it all works well when the patch is release.

A little disappointed Arena Net isn't looking into the "sync exploit" in this update.

To a certain obnoxious person: Martin and Peter are after all representative of the German and Spanish speaking community. What do you expect English speaking representative to do? answers question in German and Spanish?

this obnoxious person:

very interesting, cant wait for it to come, maybe make the game a little more interesting for a little bit

+1 smart person to converse with. And welcome back to Guru. Yes people are idiots, at least now, as I wasn't here even a full year ago.

People are rude inconsiderate beings, sadly, I for one hope to never be like the others here who "dis" on Anet even when they are doing good things.

And Regina:
You gave me the best laugh in days. Thank you very very much, I needed it. -been depressed for a while, this brought me out of it -

Don't intend to be mean, but just thought I'd thank you for your unfortunate typo.

Also, new ways to get points? Good, I'm looking forward to that. Even if it's just one non-repeatable quest for Kurzick/Luxon (1 quest each meaning). *Although I see the "more ways for sunspear/lightbringer*

Unlike most people on Guru, I am thankful for every single tiny thing you guys at ANet do, even if it hurts me and my playstyle.

But one thing I am sad about:

No Adventurer or the change from Legendary titles to Master titles that I posted in the "update expectations" thread. Aw well.

Wish someone has what the questions that you answered were though, as what I read is just your chat - I would like to know what people asked to get the answers of "no, not yet" "yes, etc. etc." and "They are not looking at that right now."

Also:
Good news indeed.

Oh boy"Yes we will be increasing the cap for Lux/Kurz" i hope this means how much you hold, not a higher title.

this is the most condescending peice of garbage i have ever seen a company official state. really? you want to talk down to us "english people" like we are in the third grade? No, I was not there. No, I do not spam. No, I have never harrassed any ANet official on ANY game chat.

PROTIP: dont talk to players as if they are in the 3rd grade.

Disgusting.

I'd prefer a good update with no bugs/problems over a hasty update. Let ANet make sure things are done well.

That said, I'm not going to censor any posts with a different opinion.

Thanks for Proving her point!

Oh and maybe I missed it but I didn't see anywhere Regina said "Star Gazer was a spamming jerk! He harassed us all!" Chill out, grow up and remember the universe doesn't revolve around YOU... oh no!


Once again THANK YOU ANET!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU, If anyone wants to admit it or not you all don't have to do updates at ALL much less as often as you all do!

How many patches do you see you your favorite FPS titles? 3-4 in a year if your lucky! Less than 10 in the products life span most likey! And how often does the producer genuinely consider the game community a valuable resource for ideas!

I don't see how he was 'harassing' or being impolite.

It was a rhetorical question based on the fact that he stated "I" never did this or that...