"Longest Set of Guild Wars Update Notes Ever"

netniwk

netniwk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Bellgium

W/E

I expected nothing more than some small updates to the Lux/Kurz track,
you have me excited(well, a bit)

Jecht Scye

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

Is it just me, or is Lindsey more of a community manager than Anet's designated person? I could be wrong, but probably not.

Anyways, thanks for the updates Lindsey. Looking forward to next week.

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

That's a bit unfair, to be honest Regina does alot of stuff we don't actually know about. Ofcourse Linseys very imformative and gives us little hints but if you tihnk abnout it theres quite a few devs that are playing the game and interact with the community.
They can't obviously tell us everything thats going on for many reasons. IF they told us something it would ruin the 'surprise' (wrong word perhpas), and if they later changed their minds there would be un uproar of people shouting "YOU PROMISEDDD"""" etc

ChillOutDude

ChillOutDude

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

USA

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Game-Star League finals, a european GW tournament, are going to be next week, and he didn't want to put out a patch without them having enough time to prepare for it.

Thus he made the patch a week earlier than he intended, and thus couldn't squeeze in as many changes as he wanted.

Just had to stick with the "urgent" issues.

I hope that answers some questions.

(copy-paste from QQ-thanks asp)

Konig Des Todes

Konig Des Todes

Ooo, pretty flower

Join Date: Jan 2008

Citadel of the Decayed

The Archivists' Sanctum [Lore]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scythe O F Glory View Post
Im surprised how little information has leaked about this update. Usually there's people who somehow get a hold of the update's content and spill it all over Guru and other forums. Good secret-keeping, Anet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by netniwk View Post
I expected nothing more than some small updates to the Lux/Kurz track,
you have me excited(well, a bit)
We actually know quite a bit about the update:

-Kurzick/Luxon titles will get easier via faction gain
-Kurzick/Luxon Faction Caps will be raised
-Amber/Jade will give more points to the title (5k instead of 1k it seems) - text got changed for 2 days on accident
-K/L Faction gained from the blessings in explorable areas has been doubled (not including boss kill faction gains) - already happened
-Treasure Hunter/Wisdom are going account based
-Unlucky will recieve a buff because TH is going account based (can no longer open chests on low TH characters)
-Gamer points in CB (possibly all ways to get Gamer) became easier

The update notes for that alone would be an average size I would think. And I hope it's about double, or triple, the amount of things being changed. More changes=better. Although with these being "the biggest update notes ever" I think there will be more then just title changes.

More content perhaps? If so I shall <3 Linsey until GW is official killed (meaning servers shut down), if not longer!

No hopes getting up though, I expect what I mentioned and nothing more, but hope for more. Updates never disappoint me for some reason, even when I expect 10 times more stuff.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jecht Scye View Post
Is it just me, or is Lindsey more of a community manager than Anet's designated person? I could be wrong, but probably not.

Anyways, thanks for the updates Lindsey. Looking forward to next week.
First it's Linsey, and second it's mostly because of the current status...

You have to understand that Regina is a CR of GW1 and GW2...GW1 has little going on that needs to be related or posted about (in-game visits are rather pointless now, for example.), and ditto for GW2. Regina is basically kind of in a flux right now, there's no info really needed from either section.

Linsey is a very a kind more open soul...I told her this, but a lot of the reason people talk to her and like her is because while Regina is Community Relations/CR ("I'll check this out for you!" "We have no plans for this at this time", etc. CR speak. Nothing wrong with that.), Linsey is DR, or Direct Relations. She's very direct, and says whats going on. Since she's the game designer of the GW1 team, she doesn't need to ask anyone else about stuff unless its a programming issue, you get your answer flat out. People are naturally going to gravitate to her over Regina at this point, but this will change when GW2 comes out, where people will go for Regina for GW2 stuff, and Linsey for GW1 stuff.

sindex

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

I don’t know, after hearing what Regina had to say, I am kind of looking towards this as another overly hyped content update. Is this supposed to take away from all the interesting games that are going on store shelves in the coming weeks? Recently though I have found myself burnt out on Guild Wars to a point where I even missed the Halloween celebration.

Don’t get me wrong but most the development team on GW is down to 2 people. Sometimes even from the sound of things it seems Linsey is doing most of the work by herself. To me it seems unfair to the point that everyone else at A-net has moved way passed Guild Wars. She deserves high honors for her work. Nevertheless I hear absolutely nothing (dead silence) on the other 99% of the team working on GW 2, to let me know the project is going in the right direction. What are they doing, juggling concept ideas still?

instanceskiller

instanceskiller

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

Myst

A/

well after what happened with the last major update...the one with all the pve skills rebalance... i think next weeks update might actually be pretty good as linsey said she was nervous about the last major update before it went live and that update really was LARGE and if shes worried about next weeks update...i can imagine it being quite large...well the update notes anyways.
Also, i personally think linsey will deliver with next weeks update
although i could never say the same thing about izzy's skill balances....but that another topic...

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Well I'm looking forward to the title update, I probably shouldn't be but I'm gonna do it anyways.

persuadu

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2007

DTH

R/

Well I am not looking forward to EC being nerfed...oh wait it already is?

I am not sure why they did this, other than to limit UW SC, but they could have easily done that by nerfing SHADOW FORM. There's a new idea....

Stuart444

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by persuadu View Post
Well I am not looking forward to EC being nerfed...oh wait it already is?

I am not sure why they did this, other than to limit UW SC, but they could have easily done that by nerfing SHADOW FORM. There's a new idea....
Not sure why they did this?

posting from Linseys wiki talk page:

Quote:
The assumption that a change to Essence of Celerity is meant to nerf UW runs is wholly incorrect. That was not the goal behind this change. To put it simply, the item was straight overpowered and there is no way you can argue that it wasn't. Giving it a 5% reduction across the board is hardly a heavy enough nerf to be claiming that it will ruin all your fun. I'm not trying to nerf it into oblivion, just tweak the numbers to make it a little more balanced in relation to the other consumables. You have to admit, 5% is fairly minor in the grand scheme of things. This change was meant to go into next week's build so on its own, it's just kind of hanging out in the wind, shivering and sad without all it's little friends to keep it company. Does "friends" mean nerfs to all consumables? No. Stop making so many assumptions, geez. I'm just being facetious. - Linsey talk 21:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
edit: forgot to give link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Journal#Update

edit 2: had trouble during an edit of this post ;-; ended up deleting post so reposting it woops sorry

ParanoidDenny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

EOM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart444 View Post
Not sure why they did this?

posting from Linseys wiki talk page:



edit: forgot to give link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Journal#Update

edit 2: had trouble during an edit of this post ;-; ended up deleting post so reposting it woops sorry
Well Linsey if the 5% was so minor then why in hell did you nerf it then

Supervillain

Supervillain

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

England

HML

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ParanoidDenny View Post
Well Linsey if the 5% was so minor then why in hell did you nerf it then
Are you being serious? As stated in Stuart444's quote:
-Wasnt aimed to directly nerf UWSC.
-Nerfed because it was "straight overpowered".
-5% will not ruin your fun.
-Not doing an Izzy (Smiters Boon), tweaking the numbers to make it balanced next to the other cons.
-The nerf wasnt ment for this weeks update, its ment for next weeks.
-Because its in the wrong update, its all alone but next weeks update will have something linked towards it (dont know what, she said it aint another nerf to cons).

So next time, read it.

Esan

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

Linsey is really good at the hype metagame. Regina and the ghost of Gaile Gray should take notes.

FrAnt1c??

FrAnt1c??

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Belgium

Legion Of Sacred Light [LSL]

Mo/

I wonder how favor will react with all those characters getting maxed titles when treasure and wisdom become account based... I mean if one of your characters has it maxed, all of your others will get it maxed aswell, and thus creating huge amounts of favor increase? Unless they have figured something out to bypass it offcourse

kvndoom

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

I'd love to see Alliance Rosters, i.e. drop-down menu that lets you click on a guild in your alliance and it shows the roster for that guild. Much needed feature.

I really hope this update makes me want to get serious about PVE again. I'm not so much interested in titles, but I'd like to see something new and engrossing.

Alleji

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrAnt1c² View Post
I wonder how favor will react with all those characters getting maxed titles when treasure and wisdom become account based... I mean if one of your characters has it maxed, all of your others will get it maxed aswell, and thus creating huge amounts of favor increase? Unless they have figured something out to bypass it offcourse
My guess would be that you don't gain the max title... you're not opening the last chest to make it tick from 9999 to 10000. When you log in, it'll simply be there, and as such, probably won't count for favour.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart444 View Post
Not sure why they did this?

posting from Linseys wiki talk page:

edit: forgot to give link: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...Journal#Update

edit 2: had trouble during an edit of this post ;-; ended up deleting post so reposting it woops sorry
Ohh girlfriend!
You seem to have answered that age-old question:
How does one balance that which can not be balanced?
Clearly, you nerf it by 5%!

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin View Post
3 necro blood skill nerfs, 1 ranger skill nerf, and a bunch of bug fixes. Nothing too devastating, despite what Zera thinks.
Hi. He's talking about the AoC update.

ahem.

ahem.

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quebec, Canada

R/

Hooray for these titles getting changed to account-based !

Grammar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

"Longest Set of Guild Wars Update Notes Ever"

Problem is, when you say things like that, you could deliver the second coming of Jesus Christ and it will still be deemed a failure by the community.

What ever happened to under-promise-over-deliver?

street peddler

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

i dont think she was trying to create pointless hype.

Clone

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by street peddler View Post
i dont think she was trying to create pointless hype.
Probably not, but thats what apparently is happening. When you start talking about a huge set of update notes, people assume huge update. Unfortunately, you could write a 10 page essay about some small change to an arcane and pointless aspect of the game. It may indeed be the longest set of notes, but it wouldn't mean the update would necessarily be any good.

*waves at the hype train as it passes by*

BenjZee

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrAnt1c² View Post
I wonder how favor will react with all those characters getting maxed titles when treasure and wisdom become account based... I mean if one of your characters has it maxed, all of your others will get it maxed aswell, and thus creating huge amounts of favor increase? Unless they have figured something out to bypass it offcourse
Then again you log onto a character to find you get max title if it would only happen once. Then because the title is account based logging into other characters would mean you already have it so you wouldn't be maxing it again.

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin View Post
-Amber/Jade will give more points to the title (5k instead of 1k it seems) - text got changed for 2 days on accident
Are they going to make this retroactive, or will this be like when they implemented the title and the Faction you used previous will be ignored (still annoyed about that one, most of the Kurz/Lux faction I accumulated since buying the game was spent before that, and therefore ignored...)

crazybanshee

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Look out!

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Doubt they will make it retroactive, as they didn't do that last time they radically changed the title. It would just be impossible to track that many accounts (4mill or so) and keep tally of how many jade/amber they got, how many scrolls, etc.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

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Hah, 4 million accounts.

They'd only have to do it for 200k or so, as there's probably not many more than that who are active.

SpiritThief

SpiritThief

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

R/Me

Meh, I think I'll stick with my bet I made a guildie. 10k says Title rebalance and faction, just gonna end up being double points or something. And really I'm fine with that, more points, less of a grind, wouldn't be such a downer when you think about going for that second character.

But after what she said, I'm hoping for much more now. Sounds like alot more then just more points, looking forward to see what she's done. Just happy its so close

Pleikki

Pleikki

WTB q8 15^50 Weapons!

Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

Yeah Sf & tombs update is pretty much biggest we've got yet. but will see how big next one will be

Secksy

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2008

Texas

I predict the update will introduce a crash bug.

I'd laugh.

ParanoidDenny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

EOM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Supervillain View Post
Are you being serious? As stated in Stuart444's quote:
-Wasnt aimed to directly nerf UWSC.
-Nerfed because it was "straight overpowered".
-5% will not ruin your fun.
-Not doing an Izzy (Smiters Boon), tweaking the numbers to make it balanced next to the other cons.
-The nerf wasnt ment for this weeks update, its ment for next weeks.
-Because its in the wrong update, its all alone but next weeks update will have something linked towards it (dont know what, she said it aint another nerf to cons).

So next time, read it.
So why nerf it then if its so minor?

As you stated, next time READ it!

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Keep in mind that the size of the update notes is not proportional to the amount of content.

Case in point: Sorrow's Furnance and the Titan Quests themselves had little update notes dedicated specifically to them.

There's just one thing I will never understand: Why doesn't ArenaNet never release the build notes early? Gives the community a chance to dissect them first for any potential problems. They did that for one set, and it was great.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314 View Post
There's just one thing I will never understand: Why doesn't ArenaNet never release the build notes early? Gives the community a chance to dissect them first for any potential problems. They did that for one set, and it was great.
a) Not finished them yet.
b) They aren't finalized until the day they happen anyways.
c) The notes aren't fully translated until that day too.
d) They can change minor things all during this.
e) No other company does this. The closest thing to what your suggesting is WoW's Patch Test Realms, but even then stuff can change for release and that's more like "COME TEST OUT THE BETA FOR OUR PATCH" less so than the release. GW just does not work like this.
f) all of the above.

Regina Buenaobra

Regina Buenaobra

ArenaNet

Join Date: Apr 2008

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Clone View Post
Probably not, but thats what apparently is happening. When you start talking about a huge set of update notes, people assume huge update. Unfortunately, you could write a 10 page essay about some small change to an arcane and pointless aspect of the game. It may indeed be the longest set of notes, but it wouldn't mean the update would necessarily be any good.

*waves at the hype train as it passes by*
Yes, this is exactly what has happened. Talking about long update notes has some how made people think that the update itself will be big. The update notes are quite long, make no mistake. A lot of it is changing numbers, however. Whether players would consider it a big update -- debateable. Last time we recently talked about an update being big, a lot of players thought that it wasn't the case -- when from a developer's perspective it was pretty big. It's partly because of the different amount of information you have access to. You all just don't see the sheer amount of work that goes into making even the most miniscule of changes. It's kind of like an iceberg, you all see what's above the surface of the water, but the developers see both what's on the surface and underneath.

I'd also like to point people to an update about the upcoming game update, which I posted on my wiki page.

Issac

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

Regina I appreciate what you guys are doing. I know something this big is easier said then done. You guys made one really good game.

Star Gazer

Star Gazer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Zerohour Enterprises [ZHE]

W/

nice. i especially like the delayed part.

Jensy

Jensy

Site Contributor

Join Date: Apr 2007

Phoenix, Arizona

Blinkie Ponie Armie [bpa]

N/Mo

LOL FAIL DELAY

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:..._November_2008

Pwny Ride

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by pansy malfoy View Post
WAS there any other way what she said could be interpreted?

Also, yeah, not really surprised at this.

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

Brace for impact.
Forecast calls for falling skies on Thursday if no update lands.

fenix

fenix

Major-General Awesome

Join Date: Aug 2005

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger

Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&#

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lol fail, inb4 update scheduled for december