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New Books, Retroactive?
Avarre
pumpkin pie
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The point is that this isn't an issue of 'fairness' at all, but rather a scramble to get as many free benefits as possible. By all fairness, no title/achievement should have retroactive benefits since that would be unfair to those who didn't get such benefits in the early stages of Guild Wars.
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Gill Halendt
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The point is that this isn't an issue of 'fairness' at all, but rather a scramble to get as many free benefits as possible. By all fairness, no title/achievement should have retroactive benefits since that would be unfair to those who didn't get such benefits in the early stages of Guild Wars.
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Why now? Couldn't they think about it before?
Well, problem is, books are here. New benefits are awarded for players completing them now. Everyone playing before 13th November didn't get such benefits. Something CAN be done so that more players (potentially: everyone) can take advantage of those benefits. That's what we're discussing about.
Riot Narita
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Why now? Couldn't they think about it before?
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If so - hooray for the botters? Years of complaining about the difficulty of maxing faction titles, and the Kurzick advantage, didn't get results like this... but botting did?! Hahaha!
Gill Halendt
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I suspect they did it because of the people who "felt compelled" to run HFFF bots. They wanted to nerf HFFF to prevent botting, but needed to provide an equally efficient way to grind for the ridiculous amounts of faction needed for a max title... a way that wasn't bottable... and once the ball was rolling...
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Now botters got what they wanted (ever seen how many Saviours of the Kurzicks were there in Lutgardis? Not to mention money and Allegiance Reputation to conquer outposts they got in the process...), they'll probably not get banned because Anet can't spot botters (!) and people who have spent the last year playing the game multiple times instead of botting don't get even a single retroactive book. Well...
Cebe
At the end of the day, experienced players who feel put out by the whole idea that they can't backdate books, can complete these missions far quicker than first-timers.
Take the Factions storybook (Shiro's Return) for instance. Even just a slightly experienced player should have no problem rattling off all the normal mode missions from Vizunah onwards in about 3.5 hours. 3.5 hours work to net you 40,000 Faction, 40,000 XP and 4k to boot. You don't need to worry about masters reward, so you can saunter through with Hero and Hench at your own pace if you don't feel like rushing.
In the grand scheme of things, it's not really a massive investment of time for the reward at stake, and if it were to encourage old players to come back and play the game a little more, it's no bad thing.
This thread is sounding a lot like "I've done my time. I should get my prize." - It makes Guild Wars sound like a prison!
Take the Factions storybook (Shiro's Return) for instance. Even just a slightly experienced player should have no problem rattling off all the normal mode missions from Vizunah onwards in about 3.5 hours. 3.5 hours work to net you 40,000 Faction, 40,000 XP and 4k to boot. You don't need to worry about masters reward, so you can saunter through with Hero and Hench at your own pace if you don't feel like rushing.
In the grand scheme of things, it's not really a massive investment of time for the reward at stake, and if it were to encourage old players to come back and play the game a little more, it's no bad thing.
This thread is sounding a lot like "I've done my time. I should get my prize." - It makes Guild Wars sound like a prison!
Fril Estelin
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Why now? Couldn't they think about it before?
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) a little while ago, though I very highly doubt it's even remotely plausible (given that changes of this scale require many months of preparation): WoW WotLK...
DreamWind
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The point is that this isn't an issue of 'fairness' at all, but rather a scramble to get as many free benefits as possible.
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By all fairness, no title/achievement should have retroactive benefits since that would be unfair to those who didn't get such benefits in the early stages of Guild Wars.
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Basically from my perspective (an oldbie who doesn't play much), I read this update and saw nothing that got me wanting to play again. Hell I actually saw more that is still keeping me away from the game (no PvP updates for one). Giving me gold rewards for missions I have already done is not going to get people like me to grind the missions over again. And in that sense, Anet has said "come back to Guild Wars and grind everybody!" And people are apparently happy with that.
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Which I would agree with if previous books weren't already retroactive and Anet actually came out and gave us the real reason they didn't make these new ones the same way.
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I only hope that they don't carry too much of that crap over to GW2.
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The point is that this isn't an issue of 'fairness' at all, but rather a scramble to get as many free benefits as possible.
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Player B finishes Cantha in NM and HM and gets nothing.
How is this not a fairness issue?
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By all fairness, no title/achievement should have retroactive benefits since that would be unfair to those who didn't get such benefits in the early stages of Guild Wars.
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I don't know what ANet has said, but it seems to me that these books are really saying "Hurry up and get your silly titles so you can stop grinding and using up our bandwidth." Other than trying to keep a customer base for GW2, ANet has no incentive to have anyone play GW longer than necessary. When you think about it, most of the new stuff they've introduced - the summoning stones, storybooks, etc. - have all made the game easier, and therefore, faster, to play, meaning that people will "finish" the game faster and reduce the load on their servers (while still living up to the "free online play" mantra.)
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Player A finishes Cantha in NM and HM and gets 60k + 120k = 180k Faction
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Player B finishes Cantha in NM and HM before the update and gets exactly the rewards advertised for doing so at that time.
How is this a fairness issue?
If player B didn't think the reward (whether XP, gold, title progress, or simply storyline progress) for doing the missions was sufficient, he wouldn't have done them.
Let's look at a hypothetical situation. Anet reads through these threads and decides that introducing the storybooks was more trouble than it was worth. On December 13th, they revert back to the old reward system. During this month, many players, new and veteran alike, have done missions, filled books, and collected the rewards.
Wouldn't it be fair to then retroactively take back the rewards earned during the period between 11/13 and 12/13? It wouldn't matter that the rewards were advertised at the time, right? Because in the end, it wouldn't be fair that a new player wouldn't be able to get the same rewards as a veteran.
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Player A finishes Cantha in NM and HM and gets 60k + 120k = 180k Faction
Player B finishes Cantha in NM and HM and gets nothing. How is this not a fairness issue? No by fairness you don't give one group of players a different set of rewards than other players for doing the same thing. |
Then the reward system changes.
Now, player A and Player B can both do missions under a new well-defined and completely fair reward system.
ANet just gave the job of finishing missions a pay rise and a better dental plan. Pay rises aren't retroactive, they go into effect at a certain time and pertain to work done after that time. If my boss gives me a pay rise, I'm not going to whine about how it is unfair that I worked for a year at a lower wage.
slowerpoke
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I wonder if they're just gonna repeat the old "oh all that gold into the economy would be bad" line.
Obviously, they should make the books retroactively reward the faction without the gold for those who have already completed the mission in nm/hm.
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Incoming Dev Update - 20 November 2008
To address a few key issues raised by the November 13 Game Update, I have asked the developers to write a Developer Update to follow-up on those points. This will be published in English, German, French, Spanish, and Italian -- tomorrow on the wiki. |
Obviously, they should make the books retroactively reward the faction without the gold for those who have already completed the mission in nm/hm.
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Player A finishes Cantha in NM and HM after the update and gets exactly the rewards advertised for doing so at that time.
Player B finishes Cantha in NM and HM before the update and gets exactly the rewards advertised for doing so at that time. How is this a fairness issue? |
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Obviously, they should make the books retroactively reward the faction without the gold for those who have already completed the mission in nm/hm.
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daraaksii
Actually I don't care about getting money for doing missions either in NM or HM.
I came back to Guild Wars after 2 years, done some Ring of Fire missions, and I had alot of fun with or without real players (not NPCs).
But that's just my opinion.
Cheers,
daraaksii
I came back to Guild Wars after 2 years, done some Ring of Fire missions, and I had alot of fun with or without real players (not NPCs).
But that's just my opinion.
Cheers,
daraaksii
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I wonder if they're just gonna repeat the old "oh all that gold into the economy would be bad" line. Obviously, they should make the books retroactively reward the faction without the gold for those who have already completed the mission in nm/hm. |
Sjeng
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even with full rewards for being able to buy a retroactive book, are the rewards going to make things that unbalanced? if i was able to do cantha books on the 9 characters i have that are already canthan protectors, i would get 360000 faction towards my title(which at my current # would take me to rank 7) the XP i can care less about, i already have enough skill points on my 2 title characters should i choose to finish skill hunter. then theres the gold, 36000 i would get minus the cost to buy the pages. is 36000 really going to be an economy killer? no! the economy has been pretty bad for a long time and in my case it will just be used to fund other titles.
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I'm pretty curious what they'll say on the wiki today...
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Because player A finishes Cantha and gets both the rewards from after the update and the rewards from before the update?
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Maybe we should only give player A rewards from after the update and see who cries unfair.
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Sounds like we both agree the current situation is fair.
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So, in other words, he gets exactly what is advertised as the reward?
Well, you're right. If we gave Player A less rewards than were promised at the time of mission completion, that would be unfair. I think you're getting it! Sounds like we both agree the current situation is fair. |
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Your argument doesn't even address the point. You are more or less saying "Anet gave us certain rewards for doing the missions before the update and after the update thus it is fair". I'm saying those rewards are unfair. Get it?
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I get that you don't like that to get the new rewards, you'd have to play missions you've already played.
But the fact is that you can complete a new book, and you'll get the same reward as the first-timer.
You don't have to think that the effort is worth the reward. For me, it's probably not. So I won't bother doing new books. But I don't confuse that with the reward system being unfair, just because I don't feel like the reward is worth my time.
If you to make your case to Anet, come out and put it in the right terms:
"I completed missions and got the rewards that were advertised. I now feel that those rewards aren't enough, and would like more rewards."
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As an aside, there is now a thread in Riverside regarding Anet/NCSOft's new promotion: If you buy a new campaign, you'll get a second at 50% off.
I trust that the folks lobbying in this thread for retroactive rewards will be appearing in that thread to ask for cash refunds?
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I searched around a bit, and can't find the thread you posted in prior to 11/13 stating that the rewards for attaining Protector/Guardian were unfair...
I get that you don't like that to get the new rewards, you'd have to play missions you've already played. But the fact is that you can complete a new book, and you'll get the same reward as the first-timer. You don't have to think that the effort is worth the reward. For me, it's probably not. So I won't bother doing new books. But I don't confuse that with the reward system being unfair, just because I don't feel like the reward is worth my time. If you to make your case to Anet, come out and put it in the right terms: "I completed missions and got the rewards that were advertised. I now feel that those rewards aren't enough, and would like more rewards." ------------------------------------------------------------------- As an aside, there is now a thread in Riverside regarding Anet/NCSOft's new promotion: If you buy a new campaign, you'll get a second at 50% off. I trust that the folks lobbying in this thread for retroactive rewards will be appearing in that thread to ask for cash refunds? |
1 - The point is that new players get something we don't, one of the features of the update : gaining more faction/rep points while playing normally.
If we do the missions again for the book reward, we don't "play normally", we grind, we already played those missions normally.
2 - As we already said, comparing with real life, especially with real-life economy, doesn't help your case.
Nobody gets hurt from us getting these retroactive rewards, there's no reason NOT to give them to us, it's a win-win situation, that's not the case with most real-life examples we got here.
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I searched around a bit, and can't find the thread you posted in prior to 11/13 stating that the rewards for attaining Protector/Guardian were unfair...
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If anything I might have said titles should be removed from the game lol.As for the rest of your post, I think Frozy explained it nicely.
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1 - The point is that new players get something we don't, one of the features of the update : gaining more faction/rep points while playing normally.
If we do the missions again for the book reward, we don't "play normally", we grind, we already played those missions normally. |
Does it suck that they still want us to grind out a title? Yeah, I happen to think it does. Luckily, I find myself with no drive to work on that title. The update to PvE skills power scaling took care of any desire I had to grind away at faction. That was a good move on ANet's part that made the work necessary for tangible benefits minimal, while keeping the grinders set with plenty to look forward to.
This latest update was not "Ta-da! No more grind!". It was "Ta-da! You can now grind in a variety of ways!".
Don't like it? I'm with you, although I do think rewarding ungodly repetition of missions, vanquishes, etc is better than the ungodly repetition of planting flags.
So to your point...you did gain more faction while playing normally. When you logged in with your character, that was awarded retroactively. But the books were not added to reduce your grind. The books were added to give you a new way to grind.
So when you say "If we do the missions again for the book reward, we don't play normally, we grind", then all I can do is alert you to the fact that you've stumbled across the freaking obvious.
You received your retroactive benefit, and now you have the option of joining the grind. Or not.
Frozy
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Here's where you might be a little confused. Anet is not setting out to eliminate grind. Not at all. They are adjusting the game so that there is more than one viable way to grind your way up the title.
Does it suck that they still want us to grind out a title? Yeah, I happen to think it does. Luckily, I find myself with no drive to work on that title. The update to PvE skills power scaling took care of any desire I had to grind away at faction. That was a good move on ANet's part that made the work necessary for tangible benefits minimal, while keeping the grinders set with plenty to look forward to. This latest update was not "Ta-da! No more grind!". It was "Ta-da! You can now grind in a variety of ways!". Don't like it? I'm with you, although I do think rewarding ungodly repetition of missions, vanquishes, etc is better than the ungodly repetition of planting flags. So to your point...you did gain more faction while playing normally. When you logged in with your character, that was awarded retroactively. But the books were not added to reduce your grind. The books were added to give you a new way to grind. So when you say "If we do the missions again for the book reward, we don't play normally, we grind", then all I can do is alert you to the fact that you've stumbled across the freaking obvious. You received your retroactive benefit, and now you have the option of joining the grind. Or not. |
Reduce =/= Eliminate
The problem is that new players got it reduced more than us.
You say we have to grind for the books, and that's where the issue is, we have to grind for what they get for playing normally.
We no longer have the option to "play normally" like them, repeating these missions falls into the grind category, Thus it should be rewarded retroactively.
You say we already got our retroactive rewards, but we only got some of them, the ones we'd get from completing specific missions for the first time, something we cannot do again... sounds familiar?
Additionally, that amount is not even close to the amount the books give.
Thus, new players get more than us, there's no good reason for that, nobody would get hurt from us getting equal benefits through retroactive rewards, and nobody managed to give a good reason for NOT giving that to us.
DreamWind
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The problem is that new players got it reduced more than us.
You say we have to grind for the books, and that's where the issue is, we have to grind for what they get for playing normally. We no longer have the option to "play normally" like them, repeating these missions falls into the grind category, Thus it should be rewarded retroactively. |
Shasgaliel
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1 - The point is that new players get something we don't, one of the features of the update : gaining more faction/rep points while playing normally.
If we do the missions again for the book reward, we don't "play normally", we grind, we already played those missions normally. 2 - As we already said, comparing with real life, especially with real-life economy, doesn't help your case. Nobody gets hurt from us getting these retroactive rewards, there's no reason NOT to give them to us, it's a win-win situation, that's not the case with most real-life examples we got here. |
so 1. What new players? How many of them are there? You think that giving them something as an incentive is bad? See 2 below
2. I wonder why the people posting do not read the thread. No it is not fair. You want something people with maxed faction titles did not get. Making factions titles easier to get byt giving those free stuff harms those who already got them. It is not win win it is far from it. If someone has spent hours getting his both luxon/kurzick titles maxed he gets nothing with this retroactivity except his hard worked title being now given in an easy way to people who wanted to get additional benefits from their protector/guardian titles.
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The problem is that new players got it reduced more than us. You say we have to grind for the books, and that's where the issue is, we have to grind for what they get for playing normally. We no longer have the option to "play normally" like them, repeating these missions falls into the grind category, Thus it should be rewarded retroactively. |
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Thus, new players get more than us,
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there's no good reason for that, nobody would get hurt from us getting equal benefits through retroactive rewards,
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I really love that argumentation: I love doing missions I did them on my X charrs but now doing it once more it will be GRIND....
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and nobody managed to give a good reason for NOT giving that to us.
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Well put. Its amazing how many people ignore or don't get this point.
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DreamWind
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That is your opinion. I have not seen any single good reason for giving it. Actually arguments get even more ridiculous. If it was up to me I would remove all those books once and for all.
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It is amazing how many people had no problems doing those missions on their 73 characters and see a big problem now..... There are some who even wrote "I do missions for fun and not for rewards" and two pages later "Doing missions again is grind..." and so on. Would you treat such argument seriously then?
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Quaker
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Yes. If somebody did the missions on 73 characters I don't see how they can't be upset with this and would be completely feeling for them. I strongly suspect there are more people that think it is dumb than are posting here. Then there are others that say since the update as a whole is good we should leave the problems with it alone...(lol).
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I have at least 7 characters who have done all the missions already and I couldn't care less about whether or not I now get some extra rewards for it. Then again, I like(d) playing the game, so for me, I didn't do it for the rewards, or titles - I did it for fun.
Basically you guys are whining about not getting some small amount of gold, which you could get by spending you time playing/farming instead of posting here - and/or some faction/whatever points that would only go part way toward getting some "title". If you want to max those titles, it's gonna take some amount of grind - either with the new books, or ways that you already have been - you're going to need to do more than one book anyway.
QQQ Boo-freakin'-hoo!
Rocky Raccoon
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Well put. Its amazing how many people ignore or don't get this point.
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I generally think most of the update is alienating veterans of the game. I myself could care less for titles, but do want the points that improve skills. Titles for the little label below your name in outposts is not a benefit to me. Carrying books in an already limited space inventory is again the wrong direction. And having a lot more AI party members with Summoning Stone, is making this less of a game you play with other real players and one you might as well be playing a single player game.
Unfortunately many veteran players have already moved on and those that are left are not looking to redo whole campaigns with limited value. Redoing elite areas that have some good rewards at the end is what many experience players are looking for. Doing these effectively and effeciently is what most veterance want. Areas of the game that you can quickly join a group and get into playing right away and not take hours to form and complete. These opportunites are becoming few and far between with each nerf and update. In most cases Anet goes out of its way to break these opportunites up.
Unfortunately many veteran players have already moved on and those that are left are not looking to redo whole campaigns with limited value. Redoing elite areas that have some good rewards at the end is what many experience players are looking for. Doing these effectively and effeciently is what most veterance want. Areas of the game that you can quickly join a group and get into playing right away and not take hours to form and complete. These opportunites are becoming few and far between with each nerf and update. In most cases Anet goes out of its way to break these opportunites up.
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I strongly suspect there are more people that think it's a non-issue than are posting here too. In fact, I think it's mostly the small number of whiners who are posting on here and most of the rest of the players really don't give a damn about the whole issue.
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QQQ Boo-freakin'-hoo!
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I don't think that it's not that people don't get the point, it's just that they don't see the entitlement that you seem to feel you deserve.
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Rocky Raccoon
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Its not entitlement. Its fairness, not caring as much about players who have already done them, Anet giving us contradicting quesitonable statements, and the update not completely doing what it was meant to do.
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“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”
DreamWind
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Not all in life is fair all the time and not all things always work out as intended. You have to learn to accept that not all things are going to be to your liking and short of working for ANET are out of your control. The is an old saying that says:
“God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.” |
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The problem is that new players got it reduced more than us.
You say we have to grind for the books, and that's where the issue is, we have to grind for what they get for playing normally. We no longer have the option to "play normally" like them, repeating these missions falls into the grind category, Thus it should be rewarded retroactively. |
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But the books were not added to reduce your grind. The books were added to give you a new way to grind.
So when you say "If we do the missions again for the book reward, we don't play normally, we grind", then all I can do is alert you to the fact that you've stumbled across the freaking obvious. |
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Thus, new players get more than us, there's no good reason for that, nobody would get hurt from us getting equal benefits through retroactive rewards, and nobody managed to give a good reason for NOT giving that to us.
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We monitor the economy closely and found a significant fluctuation in how much gold players had on average after the addition of the M.O.X. quests (which give a 10 platinum reward). If we allowed players to purchase those pages, any character that had completed all three campaigns in Normal Mode would be receiving 18 platinum and 42,750 gold for Hard Mode completion for a grand total of 60,750 gold. In light of how much the economy was affected by just 10 platinum, the inflation caused by giving out 60 platinum per character was too significant for us to allow.
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That would work in a way...but it would not be fair. As was explained earlier, some players may be happy with just getting the faction and XP, but that does not mean every player would. There are players out there who don't care about allegiance title tracks, have already maxed them, or would just rather have some gold. The 'no gold' proposal is not fair to these players.
Think of it this way. What if Anet decided to make the books retroactive, but you bought pages with faction, leaving the reward as only gold and XP. Would that seem fair to you? If not, then the 'no gold' proposal should seem just as unfair.
If fairness is paramount here, and books get made retroactive, then the only fair solution is to offer the full reward, which is the exact reward that those 'new players' get for 'playing normally'.
And, whether you agree with it or not, Anet has given the reason why they are not going to do this.
That's really all there is to it. Feel free to disagree as to whether the money influx would hurt the economy, but stop saying nobody's given a good reason. And if you still maintain a position of compromise through eliminating the gold reward, then please be honest about the fact that you are willing to give away other players' rewards to attain the rewards that would most benefit you. And in doing so, forfeit your right to use the word "fairness" in further arguments.
*not you, necessarily, but the general group of folks displeased with the update
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The. Books. Are. Instruments. Of. Grind.
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That's really all there is to it. Feel free to disagree as to whether the money influx would hurt the economy, but stop saying nobody's given a good reason. And if you still maintain a position of compromise through eliminating the gold reward, then please be honest about the fact that you are willing to give away other players' rewards to attain the rewards that would most benefit you. And in doing so, forfeit your right to use the word "fairness" in further arguments.
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The problem is only non-retroactive books in this case are instruments of grind. Perhaps they never should have been added in the first place? The point of the update was to reduce grind, yet this was completely counterproductive.
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Read the update notes from the 13th.
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Our goal for this month's content update is to broaden the ways to achieve many PvE-based titles and give many other viable options for progressing in these titles, reducing the need to grind at a single task. We accomplish this in two major ways: one, significantly adjusting the numbers of existing ways to progress titles; and two, adding faction or title point rewards to places that were previously lacking them.
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The goal of the update was not to reduce grind, but to stop players from seeing HFFF as the only viable way to grind.
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Between these new faction bonuses and the rewards for completing books, missions should now be a viable way to play while progressing towards the Luxon and Kurzick title tracks.
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Nobody DID give a good reason. The economy thing only came to light when Anet came out with numbers, but even those are controversial.
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And controversy's not too hard to create.
Fril Estelin
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That would work in a way...but it would not be fair. As was explained earlier, some players may be happy with just getting the faction and XP, but that does not mean every player would. There are players out there who don't care about allegiance title tracks, have already maxed them, or would just rather have some gold. The 'no gold' proposal is not fair to these players.
Think of it this way. What if Anet decided to make the books retroactive, but you bought pages with faction, leaving the reward as only gold and XP. Would that seem fair to you? If not, then the 'no gold' proposal should seem just as unfair. If fairness is paramount here, and books get made retroactive, then the only fair solution is to offer the full reward, which is the exact reward that those 'new players' get for 'playing normally'. |
And since money reward seems to not be an option, it's only fair not to do it.
GG trankle, I was wrong. Time to disappear in a puff of smoke...
Frozy
Getting the faction over gold is what we believe most people would prefer, but one thing is for certain : everyone would prefer that over what we have now (nothing), so why keep it at nothing?
Also, another possible, interesting solution has been brought up in the dev update thread : Give Zaishen Keys instead of the Gold.
The Zaishen Keys don't flood the economy with new gold (at least not nearly as much), but they're worth gold, which you can easily get by selling them to other players.
So let's say the book reward is 60k, and one key is worth 5k, how about giving 12 keys?
After all, they give lots of free keys every month via the Xunlai House...
Also, another possible, interesting solution has been brought up in the dev update thread : Give Zaishen Keys instead of the Gold.
The Zaishen Keys don't flood the economy with new gold (at least not nearly as much), but they're worth gold, which you can easily get by selling them to other players.
So let's say the book reward is 60k, and one key is worth 5k, how about giving 12 keys?
After all, they give lots of free keys every month via the Xunlai House...
Rocky Raccoon
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Originally Posted by DreamWind
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