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What Now

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

17 Nov 2008 at 05:20 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

for someone who has done all, why do they even care about the book????

Let me start off by addressing the other posts claiming this is a QQ topic, nowhere did I whine or rage or say GET THIS DONE. I simply asked a question, pointed out my concern and said point out I won't do this. I refuse to beat the games again for a minimal reward newer players get just for being there anyway.

Now to answer you.

Like I also said. I am a PvPer, nearly nonstop. I have invested time in PvE and beaten all 3 campaigns in NM and HM. I was hoping after the update I could use the books to maxout a LB or SS or some title or another that I normally wouldn't do because I simply will not grind a title. Solution to grinding apparently is increasing the range of it, why grind a level when you can grind the entire game..over..and...over...and if you do it too soon...too bad.

This is why I PvP.

Was simply wondering if this was going to give me any prior credit to turn in or are they promoting further grinding.

Agreed that Zkeys being given out every month, up to 30 (150k) per PvE account (several people have several accounts) ruins the economy far more.

Another thing. what about other titles. The Zkey title didn't give prior credit either. Yet the treasure hunter title took into account everything other characters have done, you couldn't restart that? Or work off the lowest/highest numbers you gave credit for all?

Hmm..wonder if GW2 will have PvP in it to begin with at this pace. Seem to spoil and lean towards pleasing new PvErs and grinders way more and offering more in GW2 than PvPers who don't want to grind and who have to work a hell of a lot harder for a hell of a lot less titles to show for it.

Love this game to death but I can't say where it's heading.

What Now

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

17 Nov 2008 at 05:33 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

No he's not. Re-read his message carefully. He's saying you can always find someone who will claim with proof that any given rule is unfair. So a line has to be drawn and that's what Anet did. To use Linsey's own words:

Oh there you have it, problem solved. My bad, having a title like Guardian doesn't PROVE you beat the game. We can't tell what you've done. It's not like there's a sword through a mission if you've done it and more if you did the bonus, that would almost make it visible, too bad it's impossible to keep tabs on this stuff.

Yes. Sarcasm.

What Now

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

17 Nov 2008 at 05:37 - 123

Oh and for the sad few that were talking about going back through the game and pugging for fun, it's a nice idea and a interesting thought but you haven't tried recently have you?

It's called H+H, heroes and hench. Sabway and all the other sync hero builds while hench do what you want and stall for them to work.

While 90% of players are doing that the other 10 will pug and run backfire monks, smite warriors, frenzy IW mesmers, reminding you there are always new ways to fail and if you doubt it someone will aggro 3 more groups and make it happen.

This games beyond the point of that. Only really got less and less social with the introduction of heroes tbh. But it's their game. Whatever.

daze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2008

In my own mind

The Dragon Exchange

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17 Nov 2008 at 05:52 - 124

You should learn to not double/triple post.

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

UK

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

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17 Nov 2008 at 09:34 - 125

I'm not happy that I spend ages get full NM / HM missions + titles on my main character (Which in its own right took ages) only to find out that A.net expects me to do it all over again. No thank you.

felwyn

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

17 Nov 2008 at 13:33 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Now

Agreed that Zkeys being given out every month, up to 30 (150k) per PvE account (several people have several accounts) ruins the economy far more.

Just to clarify this...Zkeys don't create money!!!

The money you obtain by selling the zkeys to other players was previously created by the buyer so it's just a trade of money that was already in the system.

Having said that, the excuse of not giving the reward beause it would damage the economy is really silly and has no foundation what so ever even if most of the players' posts I've read so far are complaining more about the faction not gained than about the money.

Olof

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

PURR

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17 Nov 2008 at 14:09 - 127

/signed for retroactive.

I'm pleased with the update, as anything that adds an extra dimension to achieving grind titles is a good thing.

If they think its a good thing now then they should think its also a good thing from when a player first starts playing the game.

The only reason Anet themselves have given is to prevent too much money being created.

Case in point re: unbalanced economy.

A new player to the game just a few months ago and discovers ecto farming with a permasin. He has held free lotteries in his guild with prizes such as a stack of ectos.
Next week the challenge he has set himself is to farm a stack within a few days.

Anyway I'm not bothered about the gold just the faction

Any chance of a poll on this?

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

17 Nov 2008 at 14:14 - 128

Signed for retroactive books that give only SS/LB and allegiance points, no gold.

fusa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

17 Nov 2008 at 15:53 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I'm not happy that I spend ages get full NM / HM missions + titles on my main character (Which in its own right took ages) only to find out that A.net expects me to do it all over again. No thank you.

I have to agree with this. It was a huge let down. But I'm not as concerned about the character that I have legendary guardian, its the other 9 that have completed, or are 1 or 2 missions away from completing all missions. Spending 2-3 weeks for each character to go though them all again (about 27 weeks total) is not fun. The sunspear/lightbringer points would help them each out, but not enough to max them. The kurzick/luxon points would help out a lot, especially with the still enormous amount of work it will take to max that title.
I was glad to see the account wide wisdom and treasure hunter, and hff nerf. Otherwise that update mostly helps out people who haven't played as much. If the developers were concerned about introducing free money, they could easily have made the cost of updating books equal to the gold reward from books.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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17 Nov 2008 at 16:13 - 130

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Signed for retroactive books that give only SS/LB and allegiance points, no gold.

Would want, too. 40k is better than 4k gold IMO.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

18 Nov 2008 at 08:55 - 131

My roomate just started playing the game a month ago with GW's Trilogy. He just called me into his room last night to ask me why his book isnt getting filled when he does missions. Heys currently at ring of fire, and after looking at his book, i tell him he has a shiro book, its the book for factions, not prophecies and you have to go get a prophecies book and do all the missions again. He isnt happy about it either. I see no reason for all players new and old to have pages filled in the book, just like they were implemented in EoTn.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

18 Nov 2008 at 09:05 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by felwyn

Just to clarify this...Zkeys don't create money!!!

Yes they do.
5k per 5k Faction.
You can sure create alot of cash crafting Z-keys.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

18 Nov 2008 at 09:10 - 133

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Yes they do.
5k per 5k Faction.
You can sure create alot of cash crafting Z-keys.

I think he means they dont input money into the economy...

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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18 Nov 2008 at 09:14 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by baltazar knight

that's why it's unfair,people who still need legendary guardian get cookies for it and the titles while the ones who alrdy did it get nothing

There is nothing to stop those who have Legendary Guardian redoing it on the same, or a different character if they also want the cookies.

Just because it's been done once doesn't mean you can't do it again.

It's important with updates like this that everyone starts on a level playing field, as much as possible, given that if I backdated all the books on every character I have I'd be absolutely minted! Whilst that would be fantastic, there is no denying it would give me an unfair advantage over those who have not had the opportunity to play as much.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Yes they do.
5k per 5k Faction.
You can sure create alot of cash crafting Z-keys.

Killing monsters creates money.
Selling Z-Keys transfers other people's money to your back pocket.

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

18 Nov 2008 at 09:57 - 135

If you do not like what you got why just not remove it? Would not removing of all those new books instantly solve the problems mentioned here? It will be again all just and nice.... I would sign for removing those new books from the game. Too much complaining about them and not enough appreciation. It will be for sure easier to be implemented than making them retroactive.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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18 Nov 2008 at 10:06 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

If you do not like what you got why just not remove it? Would not removing of all those new books instantly solve the problems mentioned here? It will be again all just and nice.... I would sign for removing those new books from the game. Too much complaining about them and not enough appreciation. It will be for sure easier to be implemented than making them retroactive.

Don't confuse the QQing on Guru (which represents a very small part of the community anyway) from a minority with what Guru, or even the GW population, thinks. Apparently, there are a bit more people in towns and pugging, that proves that this minority is simply vocal when others aren't speaking because they're playing. (funnily, if these people would have spent their time trying to get a book instead of spending it QQing here, they'd get these rewards...but not for "free"!)

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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18 Nov 2008 at 10:08 - 137

I shall remind people about http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Treasure ?

It added easy 20k per character AND tons of gold items (about 10k worth of unids per character to be clear with decent chance of something worth a LOT.).

It was tasty free stuff, but it required players to do at least something. But I don't recall people whining that they will have to visit those places again even thou they have done cartographer or whatever already.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

18 Nov 2008 at 10:11 - 138

The point of an update like this is to get people playing again, if only for a little bit; getting a bit more mileage out of a three-year-old game. The point is not to instantly grant rewards to jaded veterans and give them even less reason to play than they apparently already have.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

18 Nov 2008 at 10:34 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

I'm not happy that I spend ages get full NM / HM missions + titles on my main character (Which in its own right took ages) only to find out that A.net expects me to do it all over again. No thank you.

Sucker!
That's what you get for playing the game!
Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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18 Nov 2008 at 11:51 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

My roomate ... just called me into his room last night to ask me why his book isnt getting filled when he does missions. Heys currently at ring of fire, and after looking at his book, i tell him he has a shiro book, its the book for factions, not prophecies and you have to go get a prophecies book and do all the missions again.

Wrong. If he has the shiro book while doing prophecies, then he's doing these mission after the update obviously, so he can get the props book and fill it after doing the missions. Buy the missing pages.
If he did those missions pre-update, he couldn't have had the shiro book on him while doing them.

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

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18 Nov 2008 at 12:07 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by felwyn

Just to clarify this...Zkeys don't create money!!!

Selling crappy golds to the merchant creates money.

It isn't much, but if you use th z-keys from the XTH (20 a month for me), you'll guaranteed to get 4-5k from the merchant.

Now enlarge this to 10.000 players, all selling their useless junk to the merchant. That's a lot of money created.

Frozy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

18 Nov 2008 at 13:25 - 142

I'll quote what i wrote in a different thread, i think it should be here :

"
Basically, this is the way i see it :

The update was supposed to reduce grind, one of the so-called "solutions" is giving more rewards for playing the game normally.
That's a good concept, with good execution it could be great.

So what's the problem? only newer players, or players who would repeat the missions anyway, can enjoy this.
Players who already did the missions, possibly a few times, have to do them Again - they have to Grind , that's why the "solution" missed the entire point.
Not to mention there are lots of players in that group, possibly the majority.

The solution would be much better if it would be retroactive - but it's not, why?
They can't say they didn't track the achievements, we can see them on the map and on the titles.
The economy? Well, lets ignore the economy arguments for this one, lets say they were right... why didn't we at least get the faction/reputation points? that's the main thing we're missing here, the gold is secondary.

So please, those of you here who argue, can you please give me a good reason for this?

By the way, for those of you who'll probably say i am complaning because i am one of those who suffer from this screwup - It's true i am one of those, but i am really trying to make a fair review here.
Also, i am not asking for "extras" for being a veteran, i am asking for equal rewards, we should get the same rewards they're getting now.
They're getting it naturally, we have to grind.
Is being equal too much to ask?
"

Also, i'll add i love this update, at least most of it, we can now get these titles in new ways and some of them are actually fun.
I thank Anet for the hard (and mostly good) work.

But i still didn't get an answer, is there a good reason for this book screwup?

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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18 Nov 2008 at 14:15 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

But i still didn't get an answer, is there a good reason for this book screwup?

"screwup" is too hard word, with this being intentional and actually discussed by devs.

Anyhow, books are not essential. They are just points/xp/gold that can be gotten in several other, better, ways. You don't need book for anything beyond that. Filling book by redoing missions you already did is pointless if you don't have fun redoing those missions. Noone is forcing veterans to redo this book stuff, it just argument to get free stuff.

People just see free stuff they ain't getting (for me, i.e., it would be tasty 200k gold) and see nothing beyond that, too fixated on their empty books. That's the screwup.

Also, asking for stuff to be retroactive is double edged sword. Be carefull.

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

18 Nov 2008 at 14:19 - 144

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

The solution would be much better if it would be retroactive - but it's not, why?

The reason is below:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

Players who already did the missions, possibly a few times, have to do them Again

The grind is only slightly reduced and one kind of grind was replaced by the other at least for some of us. The point is that the mission outposts are more full and there are more people there which is nice. At least the game gives no longer and impression of being dead. I wonder how long will it last.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

18 Nov 2008 at 14:25 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

The reason is below:

The grind is only slightly reduced and one kind of grind was replaced by the other at least for some of us. The point is that the mission outposts are more full and there are more people there which is nice. At least the game gives no longer an impression of being dead. I wonder how long will it last.

This.
I still won't party with the suckers there.

Trub

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic.

Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]

18 Nov 2008 at 14:35 - 146

Quote:

Also, asking for stuff to be retroactive is double edged sword. Be carefull.

Agreed.
I have been playing this game for over 3 years.....
These books have no appeal to me yet, for I am enjoying the vanquishing and AB aspects of GW right now. (Being in a guild that owns a town is gratifying.)
I'm saving these 'books' for when I consider what new toon I will take thru again..

Frozy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

18 Nov 2008 at 16:06 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

The reason is below:

The grind is only slightly reduced and one kind of grind was replaced by the other at least for some of us. The point is that the mission outposts are more full and there are more people there which is nice. At least the game gives no longer and impression of being dead. I wonder how long will it last.

Some people would grind for the books anyway, And some are not going to do any of these missions again since there are better, faster and more fun ways to get these faction points.
So what's the point behind this reason? this update was supposed to reduce grind, and it did, but this specific part of it (the books) only benefits the new players, the older players have to grind for it.
If the reason for screwing us is making us grind more "to make the game more alive", then this reason fails.

So far, i only see good reasons for rewarding retroactively, i don't see any good ones for not doing so, and yet they chose not to.

Also, let's see how much faction one with Legendary Guardian should get, from books alone :
Factions NM - 40k
Factions HM - 120k
Young Heroes of Tyria - 90k
Total - 250k (Assuming you give YHoT to the Kurzicks/Luxons)
And that's for one character.

Obviously, that doesn't remove the grind from the title, it's not supposed to, but it does reduce it... it saves hours of grinding.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

19 Nov 2008 at 06:18 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Apparently, there are a bit more people in towns and pugging

They decided not to allow people to pay to add pages because they were concerned about the negative effects on the economy.
__________________
Regina Buenaobra
Community Manager
ArenaNet, Inc.

Translation:

We decided not to allow people to pay to add pages because we thought we could get players to play the missions again and blame it on the Economy.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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19 Nov 2008 at 07:27 - 149

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

Obviously, that doesn't remove the grind from the title, it's not supposed to, but it does reduce it... it saves hours of grinding.

Look, you would have to do book in NM 125 times to get faction for title and 41,6 times in HM.

Whatever you would get from one measly NM book will be covered by that last HM book.

Also, consider this: Anet gave us Double rewards for vanquishing weekend, which. Doing two areas yielded ~equivalent of full NM book in that double bonus alone. In about 1/10th time required.

That's grind reduction. And that's why compaining about free book faction is stupid: because free faction was literally raining, all you had to do is to go outside to get wet.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

19 Nov 2008 at 07:40 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

Selling crappy golds to the merchant creates money.

It isn't much, but if you use th z-keys from the XTH (20 a month for me), you'll guaranteed to get 4-5k from the merchant.

Not with my luck. 20 keys gets me 4-5 golds, which is more like 1.5K.

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

19 Nov 2008 at 11:40 - 151

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

That's grind reduction. And that's why compaining about free book faction is stupid: because free faction was literally raining, all you had to do is to go outside to get wet.

QFT - a lot of people neeg to get out of the "gimme gimme gimme moar" mindset ond go out and get it.

Lolz at the ones calling it the "book screwup" - never let the clear facts (stated specifically by devs on release) get in the way of a good imagination eh

.

Since update I have done the deep for the first time, killed Urgoz done the challenge missions and VQed. So far I have donated 500K faction since the update was released. The jump from 3M to 4M makes it very clear that the title is within reach. Too many on this thread just looking for the welfare state to take care of them.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

19 Nov 2008 at 11:50 - 152

Quote:

So please, those of you here who argue, can you please give me a good reason for this?

Here's a good example and reasoning. A month or two ago we were paying $4.00 a gallon for gas, now it's down to $1.74 should this price be RETROACTIVE so we get all our money back for when we paid $4.00 a gallon. Well you might think that, but, you won't ever see it.

And here's another one for you. At one time a student needed 22 credits to GRADUATE and many dropped out of school with only 18 to 21 credits and didn't graduate. Well, recently they changed them back to 18 credits to graduate, should they RETROACTIVATE all those that dropped out of school with 18-21 credits before the change? Well you can bet they won't. lol So, you see your idea and everyone else's idea of retroactivate is just really stupid and unwarranted. What we have now IS THE RULE and thus you and me an everyone else must play by the NEW RULES not the rules YOU want to impose.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

19 Nov 2008 at 12:26 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Here's a good example and reasoning. A month or two ago we were paying $4.00 a gallon for gas, now it's down to $1.74 should this price be RETROACTIVE so we get all our money back for when we paid $4.00 a gallon. Well you might think that, but, you won't ever see it.

And here's another one for you. At one time a student needed 22 credits to GRADUATE and many dropped out of school with only 18 to 21 credits and didn't graduate. Well, recently they changed them back to 18 credits to graduate, should they RETROACTIVATE all those that dropped out of school with 18-21 credits before the change? Well you can bet they won't. lol So, you see your idea and everyone else's idea of retroactivate is just really stupid and unwarranted. What we have now IS THE RULE and thus you and me an everyone else must play by the NEW RULES not the rules YOU want to impose.

The examples you gave are so far off base they can't even be compared to this situation. The question is whether or not it is fair and I think the answer is a clear no. Of course we can say "that is the rule" and leave it alone, but not questioning authority decisions is bad for your health.

Frozy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

19 Nov 2008 at 12:43 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davros Uitar

QFT - a lot of people neeg to get out of the "gimme gimme gimme moar" mindset ond go out and get it.

Lolz at the ones calling it the "book screwup" - never let the clear facts (stated specifically by devs on release) get in the way of a good imagination eh

.

Since update I have done the deep for the first time, killed Urgoz done the challenge missions and VQed. So far I have donated 500K faction since the update was released. The jump from 3M to 4M makes it very clear that the title is within reach. Too many on this thread just looking for the welfare state to take care of them.

Clear facts? what clear facts? what the devs said has already been proven as nonsense.

These are clear facts :
- New players get these rewards for playing naturally, we don't (we have to repeat, to grind for it).
- We don't ask for more than what we deserve, we ask for not getting less, we ask to get just as much as they do - because we did the exact same thing... (except the gold, we can forget about it for the sake of the game's economy, we want the faction points)
- They CAN reward us retroactively, but they chose not to.
- We gave good reasons for retroactive rewards, yet nobody managed to give ONE good reason for NOT rewarding us.
- Combining all the above, yes, we can easily say they screwed us, they didn't give us one good reason for it, and for that we can complain.

So what "clear facts" do you have to support your claims?

Red Sonya, giving such real-life examples (especially real-life economy ones) doesn't help your case, you cannot even begin to compare.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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19 Nov 2008 at 13:22 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

Clear facts? what clear facts? what the devs said has already been proven as nonsense.

These are clear facts :
- New players get these rewards for playing naturally, we don't (we have to repeat, to grind for it).

New players also don't have 3+ years of game experience that allows them to storm missions with ease and never had opportunity to abuse certain farm spots/items/market status/skills/etc etc ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

- We don't ask for more than what we deserve, we ask for not getting less, we ask to get just as much as they do - because we did the exact same thing... (except the gold, we can forget about it for the sake of the game's economy, we want the faction points)

You did those missions for rewards that existed back then. That is what you deserve because that is what you signed for when starting those missions. Also, they DID retroactively reward people for every single updated thing except Books.

We can also ask them to, i.e., remove items, points gold or whatever that were gained by means that are now nerfed. Now, that would be also fair, wouldn't it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

- They CAN reward us retroactively, but they chose not to.

That is not argument.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

- We gave good reasons for retroactive rewards, yet nobody managed to give ONE good reason for NOT rewarding us.

Because it is pointless. They made it so we can get more: faster and easier without books.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozy

- Combining all the above, yes, we can easily say they screwed us, they didn't give us one good reason for it, and for that we can complain.

You know what is their screw up? That they released that update. Without it you wouldn't be complaining about not gettign free stuff.

pOmrAkkUn

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Bangkok

Me/Mo

19 Nov 2008 at 13:23 - 156

I have 8 chars with all 3 Protectors 1 with LG and 1 with only Canthan Guardian.
If I can retroactive those books I will get ~180,000g.

180k is not a big money(4-5 hours farming) but I will be happy if I get that for free.

Tom Swift

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2007

19 Nov 2008 at 13:43 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

And here's another one for you. At one time a student needed 22 credits to GRADUATE and many dropped out of school with only 18 to 21 credits and didn't graduate. Well, recently they changed them back to 18 credits to graduate, should they RETROACTIVATE all those that dropped out of school with 18-21 credits before the change? Well you can bet they won't. lol So, you see your idea and everyone else's idea of retroactivate is just really stupid and unwarranted. What we have now IS THE RULE and thus you and me an everyone else must play by the NEW RULES not the rules YOU want to impose.

Actually that is not true. In most schools, assuming all your credits are still valid under the new system and meet the new qualifications, all you would have to do would be to contact the school and possibly pay graduation fees and you would have your diploma retroactively.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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19 Nov 2008 at 14:06 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Actually that is not true. In most schools, assuming all your credits are still valid under the new system and meet the new qualifications, all you would have to do would be to contact the school and possibly pay graduation fees and you would have your diploma retroactively.

What if reverse happened? You needed 18 points to graduate but it was later upped to 21.

Would you expect people to burn their diplomas?

Or do you think that only changes that someone can profit from should be retroactive?

Another Felldspar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Alchemy Incorporated

Mo/E

19 Nov 2008 at 15:54 - 159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arduinna

Selling crappy golds to the merchant creates money.

It isn't much, but if you use th z-keys from the XTH (20 a month for me), you'll guaranteed to get 4-5k from the merchant.

Now enlarge this to 10.000 players, all selling their useless junk to the merchant. That's a lot of money created.

This is very un-realistic. With this past update I received 36 keys (it was a good month for me) and from those 36 keys I received 8 items to sell to the merchant. The other things were lockpicks, tomes, Firewater and Creme, and tonics. Total created cash benefit 2.2k. My girlfriend had 31 keys and received 4 items, but one of those was a celestial compas so it will sell to a player instead of a merchant. Total created cash less than 1k.

In comparison I have 7 characters that have completed protector of all three continents -- 21 NM books. Even without turning in a single HM book that would generate 126k worth of new money for just my account.

Helluva difference.

It seems very strange to me that people refuse to acknowledge that A-Net has a lot more information about the amount of new money that would be generated by retroactive rewards than they do. They believe it would hurt the economy. I'm very inclined to think they know.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

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19 Nov 2008 at 15:59 - 160

If profit before and profit after are like:

All Factions missions = ~5k faction for both Luxons and Kurzick (together) and some money. Exp is worthless.

Profits after = ~5k + 40k for one factions + even more money and EVEN more exp.

They are getting a lot more now than we did after 6 mission completions.

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New players also don't have 3+ years of game experience that allows them to storm missions with ease and never had opportunity to abuse certain farm spots/items/market status/skills/etc etc ...

Most of the abuses were caused by bugs/imbalance. You are asking A.Net to imbalance the game even more for new players?

And it pretty much doesn't matter in PvE - 1 year or 3 years of experience. Even if someone mastered all builds, he MAY make a 20 minute mission into a 15 minute mission, but there are just some things experience can't change.

Also, 3 years ago PvE was harder. We didn't have even half of the elites and normal skills, heroes, henches were even stupider, less chances for max items and armor, PvE consumables and skills... So they have it much easier now than we had during first 2 years of the game.