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Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

14 Nov 2008 at 16:13 - 41

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Wrong. When the book system was introduced, whoever had already played through EN (completely, or partially) was allowed to have missing pages filled in a book by paying a small fee (100g per page). That was possible only once, so that you basically received credits for those missions you actually got done, but unfortunately did them BEFORE the books.

Wrong! The books were always there. There was an update, in which they increased the value of the rewards for passing in books. For a time afterwards it was possible, only for those who had already passed in a book, to buy a set of pages so they could get the new reward for a book they had already passed in - not before books. (I didn't expect to have to explain this - guess I should have put it in the last post.)

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

14 Nov 2008 at 16:31 - 42

The missions in this game are only enjoyable the first time around. Why should people who already have legendary guardian have to redo them all to get the same benefit as someone doing them for the first time?

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

14 Nov 2008 at 16:37 - 43

Well, my bad, that was how I remembered about books. If they've always been there as you say, why not making those new ones retroactive then?

Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall on the other hand NEVER were meant to feature books. Such a delayed introduction makes no sense now that everyone and his dog has played the campaigns multiple times, unless they give proper credit to players who have been doing things before this update. Just credit for the time they've spent PLAYING, not much.

Ill-timed updates like this make me upset. They basically did NOTHING about grinding for years. They NEVER cared about HFFF and botting. They over-hyped this update by releasing little to no information about it. Great update, I admit it, but I still don't get why they had to let all those active players down.

Now think about those who just have beaten a campaign. Had they known little about the introduction of book, they could have waited and planned their activities accordingly. What do they get now? A handshake. "Congrats, hope you had fun, now think about what you've just missed. Want it? Do it all again! That's our solution against grinding!"

I really don't get it.

maraxusofk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

San Francisco, UC Berkeley

International District [id多], In Soviet Russia Altar Caps You [CCCP], LOL at [eF]

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 16:57 - 44

This doesnt seem that hard to make retroactive. i do hope they do it though. im partially a story buff so id like to hold the book in my inventory without having to beat the game again.

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

14 Nov 2008 at 17:43 - 45

I agree and hope they make them retroactive as well, especially for those that have the titles like Legendary Guardian and whatnot already done.

baltazar knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Belgium

The Myth of Phoenix [Myth]

W/

14 Nov 2008 at 18:36 - 46

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Wrong! The books were always there. There was an update, in which they increased the value of the rewards for passing in books. For a time afterwards it was possible, only for those who had already passed in a book, to buy a set of pages so they could get the new reward for a book they had already passed in - not before books. (I didn't expect to have to explain this - guess I should have put it in the last post.)

EoTN books weren't there for always! in the preview event there were no books , it was added when EoTN went live at 31 of august not before.

make books retroactive i want my rep and money for my legendary guardian!! -.-

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

14 Nov 2008 at 19:20 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

Wrong! The books were always there. There was an update, in which they increased the value of the rewards for passing in books. For a time afterwards it was possible, only for those who had already passed in a book, to buy a set of pages so they could get the new reward for a book they had already passed in - not before books. (I didn't expect to have to explain this - guess I should have put it in the last post.)

wrong! there were no books for the eotn preview weekend. books were released later after eotn was released, and you could pay to fill them in.

that's why the fact that you cannot pay once per char to fill in these new books is so silly to me. they did it before, and they should have done it again (hell, most people expected to be able to, hence mass hysteria), and lol @ the economy being the reason for it. the economy in this game went to hell in a handbasket quite a long time ago. and anet hands out free zkeys once a month.

i feel i have already earned the rewards and the books should be retroactive, just once per character. i don't really need the money, but the faction/rep would be nice. (even though i already maxed ss and lb) its not about being greedy, its about being entitled to bonuses you've already earned.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

14 Nov 2008 at 21:46 - 48

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

A-net completely set themselves up with this one.

With the retroactivity of the original EoTN books, they set a sort of precedent for the concept of the books.

And now, we have arguments against why the new books should be retroactive, and no real substantial arguments on why they shouldnt

THIS.

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Originally Posted by Hissy

So any complaints are really just "I want more free stuff please", which don't carry much weight in my opinion.

Free? Last I checked, the rewards are for completing the campaigns, therefore anyone who'd already completed the campaign has already earned that reward.

ShadowbaneX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes of the Horn

A/Me

14 Nov 2008 at 23:11 - 49

I'm trying to see the 'it would hurt the economy' rational. I've got 14 character. 4 of them are pretty new (read: mules) and haven't finished any of the campaigns. The other 10, I have played the hell out of, all of them have protector of cantha, most of them have protector of elona, and about half of them have protector of tyria. One of them is actually Legendary Guardian (and I probably won't be doing that again).

Even if I were to go and get all of my character triple protectors, I'd be making what? 180k off of this? Wait, Young Heroes...I'd probably go for the Kurzick ones for the title, but assuming people want just profit and go with Tyria, that's what? 250 plat? Not that big of a deal.

And that's with taking 10 characters through all three campaigns. Now, I really only have my guild to compare to, but that's, I think, a bit of an accomplishment. The rest of my guildies might have several characters, but I don't believe that they've taken all of them through every campaign. They've worked on some here and there, but, I don't believe that many people would be making more then 250 plat on this.

What would I probably do with that cash? More shiny armour and perhaps get around to doing Legendary Skill Hunter. What would most people do? Shiny armour, shiny weapons and more titles. In the case of the armour, that gold just disappears from the system again, not only in the 25-75k required for crafting the armour, but also a fair amount for materials, both rare and common, runes & insignia. The weapons and most of the titles (ie party animal, drunkard), might not be taken out of the system, but Skill Hunter certainly does.

Basically, yeah, I'd be getting a ton of gold for this, probably about 200 plat, but all things considered that's not that much cash. That's a couple of sets of nice elite armour, in which case it disappears back into the system. I just don't believe that it'd hurt the economy all that much as alot of it would disappear back into the game in one form or another.

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

15 Nov 2008 at 01:59 - 50

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

How about we revert everything back to what it was 24 hours ago and this thread, this topic, and every other QQ thread regarding the update will cease to exist? I mean seriously. Instead of taking all this in and being greatful we're expecting more? People were complaining for lack of quality updates so we get this HUGE update yesterday and now we have a problem with it?

24 hours ago we didn't have these new books. We didn't have these increased rewards. We didn't have (fill in blank). Accept what you've gotten and be happy with it or maybe next time the Devs should think twice before releasing such a wonderful update. As it would appear from reading the numerous "I want more" threads some of you really don't deserve what you've gotten.

geoff0011

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Illusion of Skill

W/E

15 Nov 2008 at 02:08 - 51

Just make them retroactive. Those that did it deserve it. I'm pissed at the decision, and I'm completely astounded that people are defending ANet for it not being in. I did Tyria with 6 chars, 1 on hard, Cantha 10 times, and Elona 10 times. I prided myself on my work, and I feel shafted with this new update. I don't care if I have to pay to fill them out, I want the option to be able to, I feel I deserve it.

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

15 Nov 2008 at 02:23 - 52

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Originally Posted by geoff0011

Just make them retroactive. Those that did it deserve it. I'm pissed at the decision, and I'm completely astounded that people are defending ANet for it not being in. I did Tyria with 6 chars, 1 on hard, Cantha 10 times, and Elona 10 times. I prided myself on my work, and I feel shafted with this new update. I don't care if I have to pay to fill them out, I want the option to be able to, I feel I deserve it.

Did you feel you deserved it 24 hours ago before this update ever existed? If we go back in time and remove this update would you still be posting about it now? Don't lie! Hindsight is 20/20.

Sharkman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

15 Nov 2008 at 02:47 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall on the other hand NEVER were meant to feature books. Such a delayed introduction makes no sense now that everyone and his dog has played the campaigns multiple times, unless they give proper credit to players who have been doing things before this update. Just credit for the time they've spent PLAYING, not much.

Introducing them after EotN when the whole book system was created wouldnt have made much more sense either, except the volume of people who have achieved these titles was smaller at that point. Regardless, you would still have similiar threads popping up.

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Ill-timed updates like this make me upset. They basically did NOTHING about grinding for years. They NEVER cared about HFFF and botting.

Well now they did something. Enjoy it for what it is.

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They over-hyped this update by releasing little to no information about it.

Definition of hype:exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
hmmm...

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Now think about those who just have beaten a campaign.

They would still have had to replay through X amount of missions prior to where they were.

I admit that I am slightly dissappointed that my characters are not getting rewarded for the missions they have already completed, but at the end of the day its just a game, so you just have to go with it. If you are seriously considering quitting this game because of an update that added content to this game you may have a tough time dealing with reality later on. Again, making them retroactive would have been smarter on Anet's part, but I see no reason/point in complaining about it on an online forum or at all for that matter.

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

15 Nov 2008 at 03:49 - 54

Its pretty much crap. One NM Canthan book is 40k Lux Faction while one HM Canthan book is 120k Lux Faction. Thats 160k for a Canthan Guardian title. I got 3 Canthan Guardians which will get anybody who does it now 480k Faction. Instead I get zip. These updates always screw over the older players wtf should I be excluded from the watering of the game game and passing out of freebies? No way in the heck I'm doing HM Cantha over and over again when I already did it once on every character. Not right and not fair.

ShadowbaneX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes of the Horn

A/Me

15 Nov 2008 at 05:39 - 55

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Its pretty much crap. One NM Canthan book is 40k Lux Faction while one HM Canthan book is 120k Lux Faction. Thats 160k for a Canthan Guardian title. I got 3 Canthan Guardians which will get anybody who does it now 480k Faction. Instead I get zip. These updates always screw over the older players wtf should I be excluded from the watering of the game game and passing out of freebies? No way in the heck I'm doing HM Cantha over and over again when I already did it once on every character. Not right and not fair.

Actually, you're forgetting Young Heroes, so there's even more you're missing. That's 40k + 120k + 90k = 250 *3 = 750k faction

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

15 Nov 2008 at 06:48 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharkman

Definition of hype:exaggerated publicity; hoopla.

That's exactly what it is. "We're gonna make an update! It's FREAKING AWESOME! It's the longest set of release notes yet! You can't know anything about what it is tough, so clear your campaign the day before we release it and don't get the book for it, for a matters of hours! Take this!"

It's funny how they felt the need to release infos about Wisdom/Treasure Hunter 2 weeks ago:

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I just wanted to stop in a let everyone know that the Treasure Hunter and Wisdom title tracks will be made account-wide in the upcoming title balance build. So you can all feel free to open any chest you like on any character. To identify any rare you come across without ferrying it to your "main".

Thanks. No mention about books tough. A lot of people could have timed their activities much better, had they known little significant about what was going on.

ShadowbaneX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes of the Horn

A/Me

15 Nov 2008 at 07:56 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

That's exactly what it is. "We're gonna make an update! It's FREAKING AWESOME! It's the longest set of release notes yet! You can't know anything about what it is tough, so clear your campaign the day before we release it and don't get the book for it, for a matters of hours! Take this!"

It's funny how they felt the need to release infos about Wisdom/Treasure Hunter 2 weeks ago:

Thanks. No mention about books tough. A lot of people could have timed their activities much better, had they known little significant about what was going on.

I don't know about you, or actually, anyone other then myself, but I think by and large the majority of people would have completed all these missions a long, long time ago (think years) rather then just in the past few weeks.

I would also suspect that the number of people that played through entire campaigns during that time is rather low...at least compared to everyone else that did it before that period.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

15 Nov 2008 at 08:11 - 58

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Originally Posted by ShadowbaneX

I don't know about you, or actually, anyone other then myself, but I think by and large the majority of people would have completed all these missions a long, long time ago (think years) rather then just in the past few weeks.

Partially true. Yet I keep on playing this game. I keep on creating new characters.

Still going through Prophecies with a new Ranger I created to go for Legendary Survivor. Silly me starting from Sanctum Cay, in order to leave the early missions last. I cleared Hell's Precipice 10 minutes before the announcement of a new build available. Now I just need to do those missions from Great Northern Walls to Gates of Kryta. Had I known better, I would have changed my plans, since those missions are not taken into account on the books.

There's also a lot of people out there about to finish one or more Guardian titles these days. If they want the full reward they'd get now, they have to start over. Fun, perphaps, yet I don't se how granting people the reward they deserve for clearing a game BEFORE the update (even MINUTES before it) is gonna create any problem to anyone. Why do these people need to do things twice for it?

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

15 Nov 2008 at 08:22 - 59

Shouldn't be retroactive - silly greedy selfish idea (and yes - I do have Legendary Guardian and would be insta benefit from retro books).

Books for this are new. Everyone who wants the points has to earn them - clean slate -starts now - you either want Saviour etc enough, or you really don't want it at all. If you QQ for moar and yet have no intention of going out and earning a book then the word you are looking for is hand out or charity.

I don't beg or demand handouts. I have no problem going out and working for what is needed. Why people are being so whiny over this I don't understand. We get Birthday presents, weekend events etc, and there is this element at Guru that now seems to forever have their hand out expecting it is their due to be given something on a platter every month or two (particulatly if they can be very vocal about their supposed grievance).

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

15 Nov 2008 at 08:30 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davros Uitar

Books for this are new.

Books for this are late.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

15 Nov 2008 at 08:43 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by byteme!

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

How about we revert everything back to what it was 24 hours ago and this thread, this topic, and every other QQ thread regarding the update will cease to exist? I mean seriously. Instead of taking all this in and being greatful we're expecting more? People were complaining for lack of quality updates so we get this HUGE update yesterday and now we have a problem with it?

24 hours ago we didn't have these new books. We didn't have these increased rewards. We didn't have (fill in blank). Accept what you've gotten and be happy with it or maybe next time the Devs should think twice before releasing such a wonderful update. As it would appear from reading the numerous "I want more" threads some of you really don't deserve what you've gotten.

Yes, i do have a problem with it.
Because we already are used to Books being retroactive, this update is a slap in the face to most (if not all) of the veteran players.

Davros Uitar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Fool Wolves

W/Mo

15 Nov 2008 at 08:47 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Books for this are late.

Smiles - and this is the exact point you are missing in this "glass half empty hand out for more" approach - they are NEW.

They weren't there last week and they weren't there when we did the missions. They weren't there so you could plan your gaming and title strategy about them for the past 2 weeks or months (as one QQ lamented - geesh I wonder later in life whether that poster is going to accept that the stock market won't keep him notified 2 weeks ahead so he can never lose money). They never existed at all until they were created NEW as of Friday.

So everyone got dealt that hand. You, me, the Savior guy who has the max faction title already, and the newbie starting out. The Savior guy has to cope with the fact that we get quicker faction now and the title he enjoys will be way less exclusive now. We have always had to cope with the fact that we have to go out and get the remaining faction, and in our case we are not going to get handed 500K (3 characters each) that only one of us thinks should be given to us on a silver platter.

Gill Halendt

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

15 Nov 2008 at 09:07 - 63

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davros Uitar

So everyone got dealt that hand. You, me, the Savior guy who has the max faction title already, and the newbie starting out.

The newbie starting out now is probably way more willing to fill a couple of books and doing, say, a Guardian title. Everything is new for him, and he/she's probably yet to clear any of the games with his/her very first character. So, that's a welcomed addition for him. A great updated, and I'm grateful for what we got - even though that's what developers are paid for, so Anet don't owe us nothing as much as we don't owe them gratitude. It's their job and their purpose to have their customers satisfied with the product.

Well, I did all those things hundreds of times before and I don't really feel like starting over again, expecially with the Guardian titles, which have been a pain for me, playing alone with H/H, no consumables, no PvE skills. To me, doing missions once again it's just tedious grinding, and that's what this update was supposed to reduce. I'll deal with it, I've done it all before. That's why I can't see this like "new", tough, it's just a late attempt to fix a problem ignored for so long. Fine, then. Credit people for what they did, at least.

Sorry, I still don't think having to do something twice to get a reward some other people is getting for doing it only once could be fair.

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

15 Nov 2008 at 09:25 - 64

There is not going to come any large free content for Guildwars until GW 2 comes out. Replay the huge game that you have or leave. I think you QQ's should be a little more grateful for what you got already since this game has no fee. Most subscription games deliver much less quality wile demanding your cash every month. I didn't pay for anything GW related since GW:EN came out, but i played it almost every day for at least a few minutes.

Dr.Jones

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2008

15 Nov 2008 at 10:12 - 65

well if the offical wiki has the right numbers for the turn ins the books for the most part are not worth it. its only good for toons that go though it or are half way done. though i think if you have a toon that has legendary Guardian you should get a bonus or like dubble the points on other toons. or the first other toon to turn in a full book gets a dubble the xp tite points and gold.

Shadow Kurd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Netherlands

Scouts of Tyria

P/

15 Nov 2008 at 10:42 - 66

Little disappointed in the books cause there is NO way I'm going to do 58 mission and then again in HardMode. But then again. The reward isn't that good so i really don't care much.

LordTempest

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Legion of Wicked [LoW]

N/

15 Nov 2008 at 10:45 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Why should people who already have legendary guardian have to redo them all to get the same benefit as someone doing them for the first time?

This bullshit happens all the time. I bought a Sony Bravia two years ago and last year they started giving out free PS3s with them. So I went back to the shop and demanded my PS3, because why shouldn't everyone get a free PS3 instead of just the new ones! It's a slap in the face for veteran TV watchers.

Guild Wars should be retroactive just like life.

I'm quitting the game until this gets fixed

and you all know how much that's going to screw with your experience.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

15 Nov 2008 at 11:06 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordTempest

This bullshit happens all the time. I bought a Sony Bravia two years ago and last year they started giving out free PS3s with them. So I went back to the shop and demanded my PS3, because why shouldn't everyone get a free PS3 instead of just the new ones! It's a slap in the face for veteran TV watchers.

Guild Wars should be retroactive just like life.

I'm quitting the game until this gets fixed

and you all know how much that's going to screw with your experience.

Your comparison of the update to a sony bravia alone prove that your a retard.

Aldric

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

[IG]

R/

15 Nov 2008 at 11:11 - 69

When you're finished with your bad analogies can I buy them from you ?

Takeko Nakano

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Great Britain

W/P

15 Nov 2008 at 11:16 - 70

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Sorry, I still don't think having to do something twice to get a reward some other people is getting for doing it only once could be fair.

Agree 100%.

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

There is not going to come any large free content for Guildwars until GW 2 comes out. Replay the huge game that you have or leave.

And if we leave who is going to say we will come back for Guild Wars 2?

People who have to be enticed to play by bringing in these books will soon become bored again and leave. Loyal players like us will stick around for much longer. When Guild Wars 2 finally comes out a lot of the potential players who would sign up will be us - those who have played for years. If ANet gives us the finger now we may not be there to ensure they hit the ground running.

It's ANet's choice.

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I think you QQ's should be a little more grateful for what you got already since this game has no fee.

And I think the pot should not call the kettle black by painting anyone who raises a complaint as a QQ.

LordTempest

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

Legion of Wicked [LoW]

N/

15 Nov 2008 at 11:17 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldric

When you're finished with your bad analogies can I buy them from you ?

I'm just annoyed that I am being forced to have to work through a game again, just to get rewards I don't really need in the first place. I paid to work through this game once only and the fun stopped after that.

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

15 Nov 2008 at 11:37 - 72

for someone who has done all, why do they even care about the book????

BuD

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

Nunya

E/Mo

15 Nov 2008 at 13:35 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordTempest

I'm quitting the game until this gets fixed

Since its not getting fixed, can I have your stuff?

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

15 Nov 2008 at 15:40 - 74

Lord Tempest isnt leaving, heys a mod with multiple forumn accounts, using them to pester real live players like us.

I wish we we allowed to have multiple accounts to back up our posts.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

15 Nov 2008 at 16:15 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

for someone who has done all, why do they even care about the book????

Exactly. They don't need the faction. Nobody "needs" experience points (most verterans have several characters with 100s of unused skill points). Everybody wants money.

They are exactly like the people who stand around begging for 50g to open storage.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

15 Nov 2008 at 16:52 - 76

IMO, only books that needs to be retroactive is Shiro's return and Night falls, but also remove the money reward from both. They gave retroactive rewards to all the other rep events they changed, but not these. I don't think alot of the people who are pissed cares about the money, it not really that much, mostly they want the titles points.

Wrath of m0o

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Boston Ma.

Is That Your Build[HaHa]

P/W

15 Nov 2008 at 16:53 - 77

The people that this bothers isnt new players, its players that have already got the title, we are not the ones standing around begging for 50g, we have multiple sets of FoW armor and know how to make money in the game.

The fact that Books ARE retroactive, and we are used to them being retroactive. By releasing the update and saying "Umm..the new books arent retroactive because umm...It would be bad for the..umm..Economy". This is what is setting us off. Legendary Guardian was a chore all by itself, telling us to umm..go do it again is just pure Evil.

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

15 Nov 2008 at 18:36 - 78

Relax, people.

It's not like this update (or any update, save for a complete rebalance of everything) is going to make a stale game fun again.

If you didn't have the will to play before the update, you will have gained nothing today.

The books are clearly aimed at new players. I see nothing wrong with ArenaNet trying to attract fresh blood.

Just let it go and let's patiently wait till Guild Wars 2 for ArenaNet to prove themselves to us again.

baltazar knight

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Belgium

The Myth of Phoenix [Myth]

W/

15 Nov 2008 at 19:52 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lagg

Relax, people.

It's not like this update (or any update, save for a complete rebalance of everything) is going to make a stale game fun again.

If you didn't have the will to play before the update, you will have gained nothing today.

The books are clearly aimed at new players. I see nothing wrong with ArenaNet trying to attract fresh blood.

Just let it go and let's patiently wait till Guild Wars 2 for ArenaNet to prove themselves to us again.

bullshit they attract fresh blood? yes they do but more veterans wants to leave now gg Anet.

just make the stupid books retroactive!

Nightow

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Kindred Order of Souls [KOS]

15 Nov 2008 at 19:56 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by baltazar knight

bullshit they attract fresh blood? yes they do but more veterans wants to leave now gg Anet.

just make the stupid books retroactive!

Where do you think they make they money from? Someone who bought all 4 games over a year ago?