How many people want a-net to ban yeti sounds?

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You'll have to come up with something better than that to make me /ragequit.

It's not about serious business, it's about the fun factor and a somewhat more enjoyable community. Because you know, lots of people play this game to have fun without annoying others or getting annoyed by others. I'm talking Chinese now right?

It's just not cool, not funny.

No, you are talking Belgiumeese. Are the waffles really that great there?

I guess i just cant relate to your opinion. Its nothing bad against you. I just don't get bent out of shape that easily. Some people get in a tussy more easily than others. I can accept that. I can also have fun exploiting it also.
I do like to read the QQ threads however.

And its never funny to the person getting annoyed. Thats what makes it so funny to the person doing the annoying.

When a person lets someone get to them and press their buttons, that person is letting someone have a power over them. Meaning, the button pressers can effectively control someone elses mood.

Solution: take that persons power away by not letting them get to you. If i don't let people get under my skin, then in turn, i don't let anyone have power over me.

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No, you are talking Belgiumeese. Are the waffles really that great there?
Now that I think of it, you might be right. We're known to look for sollutions , fairness and cooperation, often choosing for the underdog even though our government doesn't always reflect those things hehe. And from time to time we have a nutcase who goes on a killing spree, but that's part of western society I guess.

Yes they are, but you should check some of our chocolate out too.

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Now that I think of it, you might be right. We're known to look for sollutions , fairness and cooperation, even though our government doesn't always reflect that hehe.
ok i see. that makes sense. In America we thrive off of conflict and picking on people. Funny how culture can be so obviously diverse.

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Yes they are, but you should check some of our chocolate out too.

thats right, i have heard great things of the chocolate.

Next time i visit, ill have to get a chocolate waffle.

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I cant believe we have a 9 page thread over a friggin in game sound. They should change it to a whine so that everyone would hear the nonsense of this thread. eesh, dont like it? Turn sounds down? Go to different town? Go play in the street?

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I cant believe we have a 9 page thread over a friggin in game sound. They should change it to a whine so that everyone would hear the nonsense of this thread. eesh, dont like it? Turn sounds down? Go to different town? Go play in the street?
Another idea...quit hanging for 15 minutes like a loser in Kamadan, and either play the game or turn it off and do something else.

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Another idea...quit hanging for 15 minutes like a loser in Kamadan, and either play the game or turn it off and do something else.
Lol! Some of you guys are so afraid of confrontations and your proposed solutions to the problem is to simply run away!

"OMG! A spamming YETI! Let's..."

1. Flee from the game
2. Flee from the town
3. Flee from the district
4. Turn off your sound quick!
5. All of the above

At least have the guts to make the tough decisions to fix the actual problem than to run away from the game.

On the other hand, if ANet doesn't fix this and more Yetis join the fun, some players may actually heed your advice...

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EDIT: the problem is they stand in populated places like Kamadan, better know as spamadan because of the trade going on. If three of those fruitcakes are just there to annoy people, we loose 3 spots of possible buyers/sellers.
Thats no problem they have a right to be there and hawk their wares like everyone else. I usually draw yetis around me because I have a mini yeti and they come stand around it to contrast with the size. It never bothered me one bit. I just drink some eggnog sell my wares and go about my business. They are not hurting anyone by using their tonic. Stop hating on other players and screwing up the game with your QQ.

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Thats no problem they have a right to be there and hawk their wares like everyone else.
Not if their intention is to annoy people, point. If they have good intentions, I'm sure they can sell their warez without spamming yeti sounds.

Trade Spam messeges in local chat were seen as annoying, Anet made some adjustments. Didn't they adjust the mini Kunavang sound too?

I hope a yeti sound 'nerf' is in the making.

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Not if their intention is to annoy people, point. If they have good intentions,
This is where your position is flawed. You can not know the motives of others, YOU are assigning a malicious intent where none exists. YOU are saying hey this "guy is a griefer what a jerk" when in reality its some 12 year old kid who is like wow this tonic is cool what a blast. The problem exists only in your mind. There is not a squad of evil yeti terrorizing GW.

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This is where your position is flawed. You can not know the motives of others, YOU are assigning a malicious intent where none exists. YOU are saying hey this "guy is a griefer what a jerk" when in reality its some 12 year old kid who is like wow this tonic is cool what a blast. The problem exists only in your mind. There is not a squad of evil yeti terrorizing GW.
Cut the crap. The 12 yo kid can enjoy his tonic without (others) hearing the sound too. That's all I ask, everybody happy, except for the tards.

I saw enough of those yetis in spamadan. Where have you been last months, the moon? Or perhaps you're one of them?

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This is where your position is flawed. You can not know the motives of others, YOU are assigning a malicious intent where none exists. YOU are saying hey this "guy is a griefer what a jerk" when in reality its some 12 year old kid who is like wow this tonic is cool what a blast.
The argument goes both ways. You cannot possibly know they are NOT doing it with malicious intent.

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The problem exists only in your mind. There is not a squad of evil yeti terrorizing GW.
Avoid absolutes, it makes you seem absolutely foolish. Your last comment reminds me of the penguins in the movie Madagascar: 'You didn't see anything.'

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I saw enough of those yetis in spamadan. Where have you been last months, the moon? Or perhaps you're one of them?
Don't start with the strawman garbage by misrepresenting what I said. No where did I say there are no Yeti's in Kamadon so don't argue a point I'm not making because that just fails miserably. And the bull about me being "one of them" is a stupid attempt at trying to vilify me without making a point. Stop debating like a child and try to logically present your side of the issue. Problem is your side of the issue is nothing more than mindless QQ, thus the mindless responses.

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Avoid absolutes, it makes you seem absolutely foolish. Your last comment reminds me of the penguins in the movie Madagascar: 'You didn't see anything.'
The only thing foolish here is the people making up crap about other players using tonics.

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The only thing foolish here is the people making up crap about other players using tonics.
So you are saying Yeti spamming sound in town and annoying surrounding players do not exist? Right...

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lol. I don't really care either way. I've been playing with the sound off for some time now and have been listening to other music instead of ingame music.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X View Post
Stop debating like a child and try to logically present your side of the issue. Problem is your side of the issue is nothing more than mindless QQ, thus the mindless responses.



The only thing foolish here is the people making up crap about other players using tonics.
I'm here to point something out to Anet, for the good of the community and the fun factor. I don't need to debate with you. You're helping the case though.

You can say whatever you want, I will never support griefing behaviour. On the contrary, I think the GW world is better off without them.

I have high hope Anet will fix this thing, in the meantime I put down the volume of my speakers when needed like I always do. It's not about me, it's about Anet giving another sign that such behaviour is not encouraged.

Logical sollution: a minor tweak to the yeti sound so others can't here it. Problem solved, everybody happy except for the griefers.

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Ban everybody who wants ban for yeti spammers
Lol! That is certainly one way to approach the problem. Sure, ban everyone else from the game, who dont like the annoying sound.

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Shadowspawn X, your point has already been argued and proven wrong about 3 pages before.

Seriously, if it's just QQ. Then consider this: every complaint, about balance, exploiters, leechers, bots, inactivity, lag issues etc. is QQ, it's all a game, all you have to do is turn off GW. No one is forcing you to go through with it.

Get a grip.

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So you are saying Yeti spamming sound in town and annoying surrounding players do not exist? Right...
What I am saying is the whole theory of someone purposely going into Kamadon with a Yeti tonic and making as much noise as possible just to annoy others is not happening.

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I'm here to point something out to Anet, for the good of the community and the fun factor. I don't need to debate with you. You're helping the case though.

You can say whatever you want, I will never support griefing behaviour. On the contrary, I think the GW world is better off without them.
The problem is you are reducing the players who use their tonic to a bunch of malicious griefing jerks. That is not true nor is it fair to demonize those players to get your way.

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Shadowspawn X, your point has already been argued and proven wrong about 3 pages before.

Seriously, if it's just QQ. Then consider this: every complaint, about balance, exploiters, leechers, bots, inactivity, lag issues etc. is QQ, it's all a game, all you have to do is turn off GW. No one is forcing you to go through with it.

Get a grip.
I agree with you Dmitri. It's just part of the game. There are some quick fixes that you can do to combat this yeti noises. Yet peoples wants A-Net to bend under pressures and the community's voices to solve this problem. I mean, we're not paying A-Net monthly fee.. why should they even consider using their times and resources to solve this? Also from reading at some of the posts, some of you actually find the noises not too annoyning .

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The problem is you are reducing the players who use their tonic to a bunch of malicious griefing jerks. That is not true nor is it fair to demonize those players to get your way.
My suggestion was to adjust the sound so only the owner of the Yeti can still hear it. This would exactly make the difference between fair people and malicious griefers. Fair people won't mind that little adjustment as they can still enjoy the yeti sound.

I'm sure the fair players using the tonics don't want to be associated with the griefers, like you indicate yourself. The suggestion I make is in the best intrest of those fair players and at the same time of the community. It only shuts down the griefers, which imo is beneficial to the game in general.

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What I am saying is the whole theory of someone purposely going into Kamadon with a Yeti tonic and making as much noise as possible just to annoy others is not happening.
And what makes you so sure that absolutely no one is doing this for the sheer fun of annoying people? So if I do this right now with my Yeti tonic I can simply prove you wrong right this moment.

I am sure there would be some who do that because it is fun to hear others complain about it, change district, or turn off their sound as recommended by some people here.

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Down with griefers.

I completely empathize with the OP. A simple thing that all should abide by in life in general is: have as much fun as you want, as long as your fun doesn't become a hindrance on others.

The ones that think the majority should change district or turn down their sound is a plausible solution is naive/arrogant with a mix of ignorance. Why do I say that? Simple, as mentioned by many others prior to this post, why should others adjust just because someone wants to have fun? This argument goes both ways.

It really just comes down to those using the excuse "just having fun" have a lot of growing up to do. Those people need to understand life is NOT LIKE THAT and need to just grow up. It's a horrible generalization but more often than not, it's true. Arrogance/Obnoxiousness usually go hand in hand with immaturity... regardless of how mature they think they are.

The only real plausible solution would be for ANet to actually implement a feature that allows us to turn down Tonic/Miniature/Extras sound effects... but we all know that is not going to happen.

And just to be fair, no matter what there will ALWAYS be griefers. They don't exist in Guild Wars alone. And sadly, most of these individuals are not "13 year old boys" as most of us always say. Most are 20+ that still have not grown up and learned to respect others.

With that said, although I also find all the random item spamming in main towns atrociously annoying, /not-signed.

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The ones that think the majority should change district or turn down their sound is a plausible solution is naive/arrogant with a mix of ignorance. Why do I say that? Simple, as mentioned by many others prior to this post, why should others adjust just because someone wants to have fun? This argument goes both ways.
So just because I do not care about them and just change district or turn off my sound if It gets annoying, it makes me naive, arrogant with ignorance?

Sure. You couldn't generalise more.

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So just because I do not care about them and just change district or turn off my sound if It gets annoying, it makes me naive, arrogant with ignorance?
For yourself, do whatever you want. For the rest of us, we have already established, many posts back, that fleeing from them is NOT a good long term solution because you would encounter them again sooner or later, then you would have to flee again and again. Something needs to be done to fix the issue itself.

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And what makes you so sure that absolutely no one is doing this for the sheer fun of annoying people? So if I do this right now with my Yeti tonic I can simply prove you wrong right this moment.
All that would do is prove beyond any doubt is that malicious yeti spamming is a manufactured problem cooked up by a bunch of self righteous gamers to manipulate Anet into changing a game mechanic.

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I am sure there would be some who do that because it is fun to hear others complain about it, change district, or turn off their sound as recommended by some people here.
Those who are in Kamadon telling yeti tonic users to change districts and such are the true griefers. Why anyone feels they have a right to chase another player out of a district is beyond me. People verbally abusing Yeti tonic users are the real problem here. These are the malicious players not the yeti tonic users.

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Nobody says every single Yeti tonic users are out there to cause trouble. But some of them are abusing it by spamming in town. If you think that these bad apples do not exist then you must be a very naive person.

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So just because I do not care about them and just change district or turn off my sound if It gets annoying, it makes me naive, arrogant with ignorance?

Sure. You couldn't generalise more.
No, I'm not generalizing. Furthermore you completely missed the point I was making. Apologies if I was unclear (which I may be sometimes) but what I was trying to say is why do the NON-griefers have to adjust because of arrogant-brats that take pleasure in bothering people?

I'll use a real-life hypothetical situation: On a bus, a group of 3 kids climb aboard on what is already a crowded bus. They're loud, very loud and they're pushing each other around, remember the bus is crowded.

People are beginning to get aggravated. So based on the logic you and many others present (a plausible one also) here, the people that are getting annoyed - which I would assume would include EVERYONE - should get off and take a different bus or blast music in our ear to drown out sound emitting from their mouths. But that's fine, because they're just trying to have fun.

Yes that might be a little extreme but it's called knowing how to behave in society. But I'm not saying just because what I'm saying might be a tad true, that doesn't mean that the simple solution of avoiding the nuisance is never a good option. Sometimes it is good to just change districts.

My point: Griefers shouldn't get their way. Just wanting to have fun does not make it just.

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Those who are in Kamadon telling yeti tonic users to change districts and such are the true griefers. Why anyone feels they have a right to chase another player out of a district is beyond me. People verbally abusing Yeti tonic users are the real problem here. These are the malicious players not the yeti tonic users.
And they have the right to annoy people? That logic can go both ways.

I'll reduce the maturity of this debate a few levels. "HE STARTED IT~!" - Sad, but it applies.

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Sometimes it is good to just change districts.
Might have been a valid option back in the day when there was more traffic, but today if you want to buy or sell something of value there's only one district you can go to. The probability that anyone in any other district in the game (except during events) can afford such items is infinitesimal.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
All that would do is prove beyond any doubt is that malicious yeti spamming is a manufactured problem cooked up by a bunch of self righteous gamers to manipulate Anet into changing a game mechanic.
Isn't this a game DESIGNED to reward such behavior normally? When players create highly efficient farms, are they not giving ANet the choice of letting the status quo in the economy explode or change a game mechanic?

Explain to me how motive matters here. ANet has taken upon itself the role of making mechanic changes in order to avoid undesirable consequences. It doesn't matter whether the problem is driven by players seeking profit or players seeking lulz.

If there's a problem, you fix it. Failing to do so makes you a failure. If ANet wants to continue to sell games, they cannot fail at design. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
Those who are in Kamadon telling yeti tonic users to change districts and such are the true griefers. Why anyone feels they have a right to chase another player out of a district is beyond me.
Your argument logically runs as follows:
1) I have the right to be really annoying and spam /sit -> ESC
2) If you don't like it, you should turn off sound or go to another district
3) You do not have the right to tell ME to GTFO and go to another district

Do you see the problem?

Let me be clear: spamming is the problem here. There hasn't been an outcry about the Automatonic or Skeletonic, and they make sounds as well. It's the /sit -> ESC spam that makes people upset. You don't get abused by people for double clicking a Yeti tonic. You DO get abused for spamming emotes. I'll accept any solution that prevents emote spam. I don't care how it's attained. You may prefer that at least some sounds remain. That's fine with me as long as there is no emote spam.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
People verbally abusing Yeti tonic users are the real problem here. These are the malicious players not the yeti tonic users.
Either a) you like annoying people or b) you don't realize you're defending annoying people. If it's a) then grow up. If it's b) then buy a clue.

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Might have been a valid option back in the day when there was more traffic, but today if you want to buy or sell something of value there's only one district you can go to. The probability that anyone in any other district in the game (except during events) can afford such items is infinitesimal.
Very true but not everyone in Kamadan AD1 are there to trade - but I don't really see any other reason for being there... maybe for the rich people have powerful rigs that want to go there and prey on the ones that complain about the lag just so they can say "not lagging for me" (was just a joke) - I understand that but I was just empathizing with both sides.

This sort of griefing isn't only apparent with yeit-/sit+esc spammers. Same applies to party item spamming... practically any sort of spamming in general.

Honestly, why do people get a kick out of being a nuisance? Do they not realize it makes them look stupid? - And then those people have the nerve to get pissed off when people tell them to stfu/gtfo. Come on, you're pissing people off, surely they're not expecting a positive reaction from the majority of the public.

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Honestly, why do people get a kick out of being a nuisance? Do they not realize it makes them look stupid? - And then those people have the nerve to get pissed off when people tell them to stfu/gtfo. Come on, you're pissing people off, surely they're not expecting a positive reaction from the majority of the public.
My wife is the child psychiatrist and is much better qualified to answer you, but as I understand it:

1) Kids like attention from adults
2) They enjoy negative attention if they cannot get positive attention
3) Thus, kids whose parents neglect them emotionally act out to get negative attention

There's also:
4) Teenagers (mostly males) enjoy annoying other people, because it makes them feel powerful

So: seemingly irrational behavior is motivated by the fact that their preferences differ from yours (ie: you don't enjoy annoying people).

Since we can't change their preferences, all we can do is take away their tools as best we can. Analogy: you don't reform a pyromaniac. You keep the pyromaniac away from matches. Same principle applies here.

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correct me if I'm wrong, is the yeti tonic the only one of the evelasting that make noises?

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correct me if I'm wrong, is the yeti tonic the only one of the evelasting that make noises?
No, the Skeletonic randomly makes noises (growls), and the Automatonic makes noises when it ends /sit and also when it walks (unless you eat a Sweet Tooth item).

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No, the Skeletonic randomly makes noises (growls), and the Automatonic makes noises when it ends /sit and also when it walks (unless you eat a Sweet Tooth item).
I believe I seen someone spamming Automatonic noises in Kamadan a few times and in Grotto.

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They really need to let us disable tonic sounds.

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I believe I seen someone spamming Automatonic noises in Kamadan a few times and in Grotto.
Haven't observed it myself, but it's reasonable to assume that this would be the next recourse of the griefer if only the sound from the Yeti using /sit were removed.

At least the Automatonic sound isn't nearly as loud or annoying.

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well if someone was spamming non-stop. It kind of amplify the sound a bit so that it's loud.

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