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Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

14 Apr 2009 at 15:35 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Hell, I'm pretty sure you could probably find a way to get rawr banned if you were smart about it.

I imagine you could envision it as a phallus rising.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...r&defid=685199

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3. 	rawr 	
	
more sexually oriented version of the word "roar"
Girl: Boy, you are so sexy
Boy: Rawr!

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5. 	Rawr 	
	
A word that means "I Love You" in dinosaur.
"Rawr"
"Rawr"
-asteroid comes and kills them all-

Their "rebel" is rising, eh? Erect penis? No can haves.

P.S. Rebel Rising Extended Edition = longer erect penis?! :O

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

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14 Apr 2009 at 15:37 - 42

Just responding to the above things now..

I dont think sending a report ticket will work. According to the current policy we deserve to be banned. By making a thread here I hope anet will realize that the policy is flawed regarding foreign offensive words.

They also can unban guilds, but probably prefer not to.

Surely sending report tickets for lots of guilds might make them realize the system is flawed, but it is definately not certain it would, and since I am very annoyed that I got banned I would not want to do this to other people.

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

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14 Apr 2009 at 15:53 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

I think the intent is that Regina will notice quite a few people think this is dumb and maybe get them to rethink their support situation.

hmm, true. I don't see Regina responding to threads like these much so I didn't think about that. Then again I hope no mods/admins close this thread since it does seem like something that could be raised once Regina notices this thread.

At the very least, I suppose sending a report ticket or speaking to Galie on her wiki could at least bring this to their attention (perhaps bringing up that the guy was bragging about it even showing that he used google to see if SuKa was offensive and it may help to show them that their current system can be abused easily just like it obviously has this time)

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

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14 Apr 2009 at 15:57 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Hell, I'm pretty sure you could probably find a way to get rawr banned if you were smart about it.

Rebel Rising Extended Edition[rawr] is clearly a subtle reference to an erect penis. Rising? Extended? Come on, do I have to spell it out? The "rawr" tag is clearly bragging about their ginormous e-peen. /sarcasm off

edit: ^^^ Beat me to it.

I'm not thrilled with the naming policy requiring us to check every possible language and alternate meaning all over the world.

deluxe

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Monkeyball Z

S.K.A.T. [Ban]

Mo/

14 Apr 2009 at 16:00 - 45

Ban the whole ladder imo! I bet you can find something offensive in some strange language in any guild name.

kedde

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban]

Mo/A

14 Apr 2009 at 16:03 - 46

Heck, zEn was offensive too!

Zeroes was an obvious reference to losers, and if that wasn't enough, calling spirits losers might offend people who are very religious.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 16:05 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart444

words

Clearly your guild The Charter Vanguard [CV] is supporting the criminal organization Comando Vermelho which ruled Rio de Janeiro in the 90's, thus promoting illegal activites. Ban plz?

I would have understood their side a little more if it wasn't capitalized in such a way to show it didn't mean that word at all. None of them even knew what that word meant because it's another language entirely. I bet some word I've used in this post is offensive in some language somewhere.

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

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14 Apr 2009 at 16:13 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Clearly your guild The Charter Vanguard [CV] is supporting the criminal organization Comando Vermelho which ruled Rio de Janeiro in the 90's, thus promoting illegal activites. Ban plz?

I would have understood their side a little more if it wasn't capitalized in such a way to show it didn't mean that word at all. None of them even knew what that word meant because it's another language entirely. I bet some word I've used in this post is offensive in some language somewhere.

O.o is it? never knew that >_>

I normally understand Anet when they do some things (I don't have an example atm though) but this naming policy and the banning of SuKa is something I just find quite stupid.

as mentioned, ANYTHING could be offensive in a different language if you look hard enough. Every Guild and character should be banned if we're looking at it like that.

anyway, so I don't go over more things that others have already gone over, I'll just end my post by saying that their naming policy needs to be checked and that banning a guild based on one persons word is ****ing stupid >_>

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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14 Apr 2009 at 16:36 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart444

At the very least, I suppose sending a report ticket or speaking to Galie on her wiki could at least bring this to their attention (perhaps bringing up that the guy was bragging about it even showing that he used google to see if SuKa was offensive and it may help to show them that their current system can be abused easily just like it obviously has this time)

I already contacted Gaile by e-mail, stating their system needed reviewing because atm it is obviously prone to abuse.

I have yet to recieve a reply, but i'll keep you posted.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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14 Apr 2009 at 16:41 - 50

This seems clearly ridiculous (as much as your first choice of a guildtag by the way). Sorry for your loss guys, they should allow you to change the guild tag!

Pat Acid

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

Super Kaon Action Team[SuKa]

W/A

14 Apr 2009 at 16:55 - 51

Quote:Hi Kaon,

Your guild will be uncensored, but your guild tag will be [Ban] - I think you might actually like that

expect an email from support later on

take care

Martin

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 16:58 - 52

I'm glad for you guys, Martin ftw. Badass. Although it sucks your tag is still Ban since they fixed it for vibe, but w/e. GJ!!!

kedde

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban]

Mo/A

14 Apr 2009 at 16:59 - 53

This is clearly a sensible man.

Kaon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Super Kaon Action Team [Ban]

14 Apr 2009 at 17:03 - 54

You know what's actually funny? When i asked to unban DoDo a 2 weeks ago, they said to me they couldnt unban guilds. Then i replied that that was a stupid lie and guilds had unbanned before they suddenly just called the name offensive :P.

Stuart444

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alexandria, Scotland

The Charter Vanguard [CV]

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14 Apr 2009 at 17:04 - 55

Martin FTW, nice to hear that

fowlero

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

England, UK

We Are The One And Only [rR]

14 Apr 2009 at 17:19 - 56

This whole thing has to be one of the biggest examples of the complete ineptability of anets support system.

Why do you employ these idiots?

Seems everything has to be tidied up by the CR's.

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 17:21 - 57

Nice to hear that. Martin is pretty awesome.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 17:27 - 58

*small dance*

This still doesn't change the fact that this kind of system is pretty dumb.
So it might be nice to actually see some changes at the source of the problem.

Sword Hammer Axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Look up.

Kurzick Conflagration Unit [KCU].

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14 Apr 2009 at 17:33 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotteN

I'm pretty sure you should allow [SuKa] in that "meaning" if you allow [pre][Sux] or [Shat][/pre]

True lol. Didn't even know such existed XD

kedde

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban]

Mo/A

14 Apr 2009 at 17:39 - 60

Both are year old guilds.
Shat has been pretty good whenever they played, and SuX used to win halls a ton if i remember correctly, before starting to move into gvg as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

14 Apr 2009 at 17:42 - 61

Awesome Martin. Hope you're doing ok at Anet.

Guys, remember the thread "Martin was fired from NCsoft Europe" and then "he's back again, at Anet". Everyone can now appreciate him, if not done already!

t00115577

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/

14 Apr 2009 at 17:59 - 62

Completely stupid system, how can SuKa be banned when for example Shat is actually a curse word, just in past tense.

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

14 Apr 2009 at 18:08 - 63

*shrug*.. Maybe Shat'll get banned. They kinda deserve it, name policy-wise. It does have 2 vulgar words, one of which is a common English vernacular which is known to be vulgar even.

exploiter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2008

ign Punk Isnt Dead

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14 Apr 2009 at 18:12 - 64

Oh i love it - Anet created so many NPC names that are much more offensive than some random guild tag and they are not changed, while the guild got banned

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 18:20 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

*shrug*.. Maybe Shat'll get banned. They kinda deserve it, name policy-wise. It does have 2 vulgar words, one of which is a common English vernacular which is known to be vulgar even.

I'm not Finnish or anything, but I believe Seppo is a male's name and Hovi is "court".

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

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14 Apr 2009 at 18:37 - 66

I'm happy our guild is unbanned. Changing the tag to ban also removes the offense from the name, so I'm ok with that. I do hope that anet will look at ways to prevent this from happening in the future.

Funny, I was just browsing through page 2 again and it seems someone deleted his post.... Hehe

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

14 Apr 2009 at 18:39 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gforce

Just responding to the above things now..

I dont think sending a report ticket will work. According to the current policy we deserve to be banned. By making a thread here I hope anet will realize that the policy is flawed regarding foreign offensive words.

You should send a ticket is for this person abusing the reporting system for strictly vengence. If he/she has posted elsewhere that his purpose was to grief the guild (right or wrong) and he has posted publically that this was his/her purpose then you would merely pointing out abuse of the reporting system as outlined below. Even if ANET agreed with violation the fact that he/she has posted that it was really to inflict harm on the guild is reason enough to report his/her lame ass.

http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...sofconduct.php

You may use the Guild Wars Report System within the game to alert the company to in-game issues such as inappropriate behavior, offensive names, the perceived use of a "bot", or other misconduct, as specified in the Dishonorable Conduct System. You may not use the Guild Wars Report System to inflict harm upon or harass another player, to submit false reports, or to cause undue load on our servers. Individuals who abuse the reporting function will be investigated and will face possible account suspension or account termination.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

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14 Apr 2009 at 18:42 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

You should send a ticket is for this person abusing the reporting system for strictly vengence.

I contacted Gaile Gray about this issue, and i hope she'll take steps to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

14 Apr 2009 at 18:49 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

You may use the Guild Wars Report System within the game to alert the company to in-game issues such as inappropriate behavior, offensive names, the perceived use of a "bot", or other misconduct, as specified in the Dishonorable Conduct System. You may not use the Guild Wars Report System to inflict harm upon or harass another player, to submit false reports, or to cause undue load on our servers. Individuals who abuse the reporting function will be investigated and will face possible account suspension or account termination.

Suka means bitch in Ukrainian, Russian, Polish and I'm sure many other Slavic languages, the person is not harassing the guild or inflicting unnecessary harm onto the guild. It is not a false report nor is it a form of abuse, if the reporting system is based on rules and guidelines, and the offense is clear I don't see how it matters how the player felt about the guild.

If it's an offensive name, ban them or force them to change the name simple as that. I'm sure anet had their reasons for banning the guild, and I'm sure this os just the OP's simple cry for attention.

QQless....

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

14 Apr 2009 at 18:50 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotteN

I contacted Gaile Gray about this issue, and i hope she'll take steps to prevent things like this from happening in the future.

Me too clearly a violation. I hope this person gets what they deserve.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 18:59 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proff

I'm sure anet had their reasons for banning the guild, and I'm sure this os just the OP's simple cry for attention.

I'm pretty sure you're right there sir (or not, considering we're already unbanned by Martin).
Try and read a bit through the thread before you jump on the "oh QQ less"-bandwagon.

The point of this thread isn't to complain about that ban (we've been banned before, and reformed, and we're still alive). It is about the policy in general, and the fact that one person with a (weak) reason can get an entire guild banned. That is not supposed to happen, and I'm sure you can agree on that.

Tullzinski

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

Trying to stay out of Ryuk's Death Note

N/R

14 Apr 2009 at 19:24 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proff

Suka means bitch in Ukrainian, Russian, Polish and I'm sure many other Slavic languages, the person is not harassing the guild or inflicting unnecessary harm onto the guild. It is not a false report nor is it a form of abuse, if the reporting system is based on rules and guidelines, and the offense is clear I don't see how it matters how the player felt about the guild.

If it's an offensive name, ban them or force them to change the name simple as that. I'm sure anet had their reasons for banning the guild, and I'm sure this os just the OP's simple cry for attention.

QQless....

If you read this thread, he submitted the ticket to get them banned and then posted publicly about it. While I agree with you that it is not a FALSE report it WAS submitted strictly to inflict harm to the guild.

If you cannot see it matters how the player felt about the guild I will try to spell it out for you:
1. Player applies to and is rejected from guild
2. Player angry about rejection
3. Player submits ticket to get guild banned
4. Player posts publically stating "Yes i jizzed in my pants" at the result of getting guild banned.

I hope that clears it up for you. Once IT posted publically about the result of the ticket and made his true intention known he told everyone he/she broke the code of conduct. Stupid move from a stupid person. An honest person truly concerned about cleaning up the GW community and truly offended by the work suka would not post "Yes i jizzed in my pants."

And your cry for attention remark is a joke. OP has legitimate point about the issue and I applaud them for trying to rectify it.

I hope your buddy gets banned for abuse of the reporting system. It is a plain violation.

QQ less - LOL.

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

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14 Apr 2009 at 19:39 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

Once IT posted publically about the result of the ticket and made his true intention known he told everyone he/she broke the code of conduct. Stupid move from a stupid person. An honest person truly concerned about cleaning up the GW community and truly offended by the work suka would not post "Yes i jizzed in my pants."

While I share your point of view, I think we're stepping over the legal line here. Meaning that, like in court, the rules have to be interpreted by the judge, which is Anet, not us (they have most information, except control of the QQ forum).

Just to illustrate what I mean (this is purely hypothetical, I have no reason to believe it's true, but it may be): maybe all this is a more sophisticated plan where these guy agreed with this guild that he'd report them, get them banned and then publicly gloat about it, so that this Guru thread would be created, many people would see the problem and we could try to collectively force Anet to do something about their policy. The intention of the guy looked like "harming" but it wasn't.

"Social justice" is a very dangerous tool.

Empress Amarox

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2008

Above you.

Mo/W

14 Apr 2009 at 19:43 - 74

It seems I was right, it was ban-worthy according to Anet policy:

Quote:

The guild tag of shat was reviewed and censored due to its inappropriate nature. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Regards,
GM ApplePython

And that wasn't trying to grief, that's just appropriate.

Achrr The Archer

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Minnesota

[Bye]

Mo/

14 Apr 2009 at 19:43 - 75

Pretty sure Anet went over the top a little bit. I'm also wondering if there is a little more to the story then we're led to believe as well. PvP guilds can be pretty harsh with critisism, so I'm also wondering if maybe they flamed the hell out of this guy before not letting him in, sending him ranting and finding away to EFF up their day. Not saying this happened or that it would be the right thing to do in either case, just my 2 cents as well.

Proff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2007

14 Apr 2009 at 19:55 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tullzinski

If you read this thread, he submitted the ticket to get them banned and then posted publicly about it. While I agree with you that it is not a FALSE report it WAS submitted strictly to inflict harm to the guild.

If you cannot see it matters how the player felt about the guild I will try to spell it out for you:
1. Player applies to and is rejected from guild
2. Player angry about rejection
3. Player submits ticket to get guild banned
4. Player posts publically stating "Yes i jizzed in my pants" at the result of getting guild banned.

I hope that clears it up for you. Once IT posted publically about the result of the ticket and made his true intention known he told everyone he/she broke the code of conduct. Stupid move from a stupid person. An honest person truly concerned about cleaning up the GW community and truly offended by the work suka would not post "Yes i jizzed in my pants."

And your cry for attention remark is a joke. OP has legitimate point about the issue and I applaud them for trying to rectify it.

I hope your buddy gets banned for abuse of the reporting system. It is a plain violation.

QQ less - LOL.

I've read through the thread, obviously not all of it, but enough to understand what happened. It's not like the tag was offensive in a language that not many people spoke, or a word that wasn't obviously offensive. ANet doesn't moderate QQ forums, and has no affiliation with them, so what was posted on their is irrelevant. ANet saw it as offensive and if the OP would've have contacted them as I understand he has, I'm sure they would've been unbanned even if he hadn't posted this for all of guru to see.

This is like posting about being hacked, if you want to discus ANet policy start a thread about that instead, but don't call this something it's not.

The person that reported them is not buddy, my friend or even someone I know, it's great how you jump to conclusions just because I don't share your point of view.

And RotteN I agree with you that a ban is a bit excessive and a chance to change your tag or even explain the tag (not quite sure how that would go) would have been sufficient. Anyway, good luck with the guild.

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 20:05 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achrr The Archer

I'm also wondering if there is a little more to the story then we're led to believe as well. PvP guilds can be pretty harsh with critisism.

A try-out works both ways. If a guild is too unfriendly, the applicant can always leave. Yes, we give direct feedback, and yes, it is usually just limited to the negative feedback, but we do that with everyone. We didn't "pick on him", but when people make mistakes we point it out in a pretty direct way. If he didn't like that, he could've said so. Someone i used to play with once asked me to also give some positive feedback once and a while, and i did, because i knew she'd listen to both, instead of ignoring everything I said. You cannot expect someone to do that with everyone though.

Everyone in our guild is called terrible at least once a day (because everyone makes mistakes once and a while). We never hold that against anyone, we just expect people to learn from their mistakes. If you don't do that, you're out.

Gforce

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Isle Of Solitude

Super Kaon Action Team [SuKa]/[DoDo]

W/

14 Apr 2009 at 20:13 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achrr The Archer

Pretty sure Anet went over the top a little bit. I'm also wondering if there is a little more to the story then we're led to believe as well. PvP guilds can be pretty harsh with critisism, so I'm also wondering if maybe they flamed the hell out of this guy before not letting him in, sending him ranting and finding away to EFF up their day. Not saying this happened or that it would be the right thing to do in either case, just my 2 cents as well.

As RotteN pointed out, this is not the case. I'd like to add that if this was the case, the guy we're talking about would probably have defended his situation instead of just making some post to gloat. I'd also like to add that he posted in this thread (assuming we did not know he reported us, hehe), but he has chickened out and deleted his post.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

14 Apr 2009 at 20:50 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empress Amarox

It seems I was right, it was ban-worthy according to Anet policy:

And that wasn't trying to grief, that's just appropriate.

Did they actually "censor" the tag like with SuKa (which is still on the ladder) or is my browser legit and they aren't on the ladder anymore? I can't find Seppo Hovi Action Team anywhere.

EDIT:
Apparently you need to GvG once to get back onto the ladder, although I hope they didn't get hard banned (can't invite people, etc) and it was just an actual censor.

kedde

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Kaons Banned Fecal Super Team [Ban]

Mo/A

14 Apr 2009 at 21:09 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by darknecrid

i hope they didn't get hard banned (can't invite people, etc) and it was just an actual censor.

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