Anets naming policy

Wait, you just got Seppo Hovi Action Team's tag banned?
dick move. This whole thread was about how much of a jerk someone was to get a guild banned because they failed tryouts, and now you get a top guild censured because you were testing it out?

I'm sorry, but wow.

This actually proves how stupid this entire system is.

[pre][Shat] has been around for ages, has been on observer a lot, they even played the februari mAT finals ...

If one guy can simply go out and report them and the guild gets just stone-cold banned? What kind of policy is that?

Btw, it was indeed not realy the point of this thread to get other guilds banned aswell (on the contrairy). I hope [Shat] gets unbanned swiftly aswell.[/pre]

Christ, go and kill yourself.

As I posted on QQ, I'll restate:

What the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.

I think every possible offensive name has been theorized in this thread already, which is quickly going nowhere. Close please.

Way to try and user-moderate the thread without actually understanding the point.

The point was that some jerk intentionally got a guild banned for an unintentional offense.

Now another person, for sake of experimentation, decided to report another guild.

The point is that the GMs are blatantly not doing any serious investigation into the manner.

Be it a guild name or character name, MY point was that the discussion on undeserved bans has run its course.

No it really hasn't, GMs not investigating stuff and discussing it (whooah discussing stuff on a forum, crazy) is still going on, and a guild that has been around forever just possibly (still don't have a confirm if it was a hard ban or not...) got banned cause 1 person reported them.

Your guild name is technically against their policy for example:
*Reference illegal drugs or activities.
Last time I checked thievery is illegal, guess all it takes is that Empress person to report you and it's gg.

Now I really doubt you or anyone else here thinks it's an offensive name, but all it takes apparently is one random dude to press the trigger and the GMs just go with it. Shat has nothing to do with shitting, it's an acronym for their guild name, and their guilds actual name is harmless Finnish words. How is that offensive, pray tell?

I wasn't experimenting.. O.o..

Shat is a vulgar word, why should they get to keep it? >.>

You could have a guild name Friendly Under Chocolate Kisses, and yes, that tag would be quite inappropriate, "acronym" or not.

That tag is impossible because it's blocked by the filter. The thing is, Shat doesn't make inappropriate references to bodily functions. Maybe if the name was like "We Did This In Your Shoes {Shat}" or something, sure, but it's clearly just the initials of the guild name, and relatively harmless in the long run. [vibe] is more offensive than this, seriously. I mean hell, I could technically report your guild name for referencing illegal activities, Cheating isn't legal, but you're about as much referencing it as Shat was referencing shitting.

The thing is, Anet never realy actively searches for offensive guild names. They just seem to insta-ban the ones that get reported.

This creates a strong atmosphere of "unfairness". You either enforce a ruleset very strict, or you leave it open for debate consulting both parties involved. The kind of one-sided bans they have now, are simply retarded.

Apparently we (Shat) will only get our tag changed or something since I can invite guests and promote members just fine. Martin Carebear ownzz.

But still, the white knights of GWguru came rushing to the rescue about 2 years late. :{D

I'm actually curious to hear what the 2nd one is.



P.S. Anet delivers.

DarkNecrid (or anyone else who may know), are the members of {Shat] Finnish, or did they simply use Finnish words in their tag for reasons known to them? Reason being that if they are indeed Finnish, they may not have known that {Shat] was offensive, thus giving the members of {Shat] something to appeal with.

Edit: damn it, so that's why you used brackets.

Edit2: Nevermind, looks like it was resolved...kinda. Darned connection! D: Anyway, happy to hear Shat is going to be ok. ANet needs to review their policy a bit though...

http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_561548090/seppo.html

Knock yourself out. I'll let cha know if they ban it. Better yet, you let me know, since I don't play anymore and I'm the only one in it that has logged on the past 2+ months.

DoDo was originally banned because of "fecal references".
Now I fint it to be ridiculous how another, 1 claim of injustice is enough, they're off the ladder which is a pretty bad sign.

What is also even worse is the simple fact that GM's are blatantly lying in the face of people every time they say a guild cannot be unbanned.
It happened with DoDo, several times it was claimed to us that unbanning it was impossible, while that is simply untrue, as proven by the original incarnation of [Vibe] and now SuKa, while we would've wanted DoDo by a tenfold.

That combined with no background research whatsoever makes this all seem like a hilarious joke, run at a kindergarten level of competence.

I truly appreciate Martins intervention and his sense of humour, but the root of the problem is still alive and kicking.

As far as I know, the retard who reported us is/was even in a guild with a much more suggestive and offensive name.

Vondersekz [xxx] say you anything?

Also, glad to hear you guys didn't suffer harshly from this as that'd be utterly retarded.

Good to hear you guys only got an actual censor ban and not the full thing.

@MagicalHobo Yes, they're Finnish I do believe. Seppo just happens to be Australian slang (yeah, it's not even a real word, go figure!). Seppo and Hovi are both Finnish words though.

Pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing amazing.

Nice to see martin is actually a proactive CR though, not that it really makes up for the whole system being shown to be completely retarded.

Alright, thanks for the answer. I do hope Regina and Martin pass this on to Gaile. Bit ridiculous. :S

Martin and I have been speaking to Gaile extensively today about these two incidents. Unfortunately, we don't have the functionality to let people rename their guilds, which would be the ideal situation.

Sorry to be the one to bring this up, but how is it possible to change a Tag for a guild and not the guilds full name?

Are they separate items of code and one can be changed and one can't?

Alright, understood. Thank you Regina. Glad to hear Gaile is aware of it.

I'm with you on that but you can't guess the intention of the guy who created the guildname/tag. He may have created the name so that he obtains the tag and attempts to bypass the rules. I'm not trying to say anything about Shat, which I've seen fighting in mATs, but well who knows?

Words are weapons sometimes.

Well, I for one am actually pretty happy with how good NCSoft Support is about actually enforcing Anet's ridiculous naming policies. Dunno about the policies themselves, but at least they're enforcing them.

So afterall this you DON'T KNOW the POLICIES your testing and messing with?

Um.. By "dunno about them" I didn't mean I don't know what they are, I mean that I don't know that I particularly agree with them -- and I already said I wasn't testing anything. The name was inappropriate according to the rules, and I reported it, it was censored, end of story, hmm?

P.S.

..kidding

So will Anet actually work on the banning procedure or do you intend to receive more and more complaints and handle them seperately?

If they're actually banning as per policy, it isn't the procedure, it's the policies. The support team's just doing their job, it's not their fault Anet's rules are unrealistic to normal every day human standards.

We don't change the tag, it's automatically changed to "Ban" after a marked guild has become unmarked. So, the system wasn't designed for people to be able to change guild names and tags at will.

I'm not a technical person, but we were told the guild name and the tag are separate things.

Being able to change guild names is certainly something people have suggested, and we've again suggested it to them today in light of the recent events.

You know what, everything will offend somebody. With the SuKa logic why not just take away names of Guilds and make them all numbers? Oh wait, numbers would be "offensive too". Hell, everybody can just say they're in a guild, that has no name. Player names to soon follow.

Getting Shat's tag changed to ban is actually my fault, as I used that guild as an example of why SuKa should not be banned. Apparantly Anet has been living under a rock for 2 years so they didn't know Shat existed.

To literally quote myself this what I said on the SHAT matter in my first e-mail:


Also funny is how it is clear that it was a support mistake we still haven't received an apologee for all the mess caused. They persist that our tag was offensive, I quote: Pretty RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarded if you consider there are NPCs named after foreign swearwords. Hell in real life there are even people named after swear words. How many people among you are called Dick, Willy and Johnson? Of course I pointed this out but they completely ignored me being the nazi bastards as they are.

Oh and I did report massive, I'm eagerly awaiting response.




Oh and regina if you're actually reading this topic. Please speak with support on their banning policy. The fact that 1 person can report and get a guild banned is thoroughly ridiculous. A guild consists of dozens of players and effects hundreds more through their actions, ESPECIALLY gvg guilds. Personally I wouldn't ban a guild untill I had at least 50 or 100 reports of being offended. If this means no guild will ever be banned then so be it. Apparantly people don't care about offensive guild names that much.

Even if you get banned and send in support tickets you still get treated like crap. When we got banned the first time, we received a message that it wasn't even possible to become unbanned. This lie alone is enough to shatter all my faith in guild wars support. Also we have yet to receive an apologee from the support team, but if they'd do it now i'd tell them to shove it anyways, as it's clear they don't mean it.

Part of me is highly amused by the similarities between any terror regime of the 20th century and the Anet banning policy. No matter what you do, all someone needs to do is report you to the secret service and they will lock you up/execute you/ban you from the country/ ban you from the game. Laws are enforced not by justice or by the peoples will but by the terror caused by the secret service / admins. Just as in Stalins regime, Hitlers regime, or in eastern germany, all I need to do to get someone banned is report him and there's a 90% certainty he gets banned, regardless of the evidence.

Your system is not based upon laws or rules, but based upon the maliciousness and spitefulness players have against each other. Quite ironic if you consider we're playing this game for fun.


Oh, and we're not an exception. I know at least 6 other equally ridiculous examples of bans, next to the fact that the GM himself told me that we "weren't singled out." How comforting...

As usual, thanks for the quick reply Regina

Oh, for anyone that's interested, here's a picture of Massive's post on QQ. I suspected he was going to delete it so i screenshotted it right away. Not everyone on this planet is as dumb as he is.

OMG!!!!! he's in a guild called 80085 "BOOBS" let meh chek teh wiki how 2 banz

This is just yet another case of the failure to recognize that context must supercede semantics in determining what is obscene, offensive, or otherwise undesirable. These words and acronyms by themselves are no better or worse than any others, in any language.

Aside from all that, the worst thing for ArenaNet or any other organization to do is to pander to the immaturity, ultrasensitivity, and general idiocy of a few random people. For ArenaNet to no longer portray themselves as puppets of the minority, they need to determine and implement broad regulations based on their own standards, clean up their mess, and simply damn what anyone else thinks. Of course, that is unless they view hypocrisy as an important part of their business model.

This looks like another example of why offensive name review needs to be done with high quality, or not at all.

It should also hold a lesson for a-net: There's usually a story behind an offensive name report that has nothing to do with being offended by the name.

I was actually thinking of 133769...

It is in fact the procedure that needs looking at since it's the procedure of actually banning people/guilds that requires only one person to single out a target.

If that's the case, it needs looking at, and this has been shown to be evident.

1 word.

Inconsistency.

Thank you for looking in to this mess. However, I hope you can recognize that the "ideal situation" would not be to let people rename their guilds, it would be to stop instabanning anything mildly "offensive" based on single reports. GW is rated Teen. Treat it as such.

So ANet just banning guilds and ppl if just one person make a report on them... That can be usefull... i might even have a chance to win a MAT now
Just report any guild that might have a chance to play the MAT, 10 days before the MAT, and ofc ban 1-2 ppl from the guild, as Kaon pointed out they can still play GvG, so they for sure cant play in the MAT

Sad thing is it might even work...