Hundreds of hours for a few equipment pack slots?!?

Well, I only challenged the idea that it wouldn't take nearly a year of playing casually to get it done. Whether or not a casual players needs it, that doesn't really matter for the sake of that argument.

Title made me lol a bit but then i forgot that the pve rewards are insane bad. I play pvp myself and got the equip pack in a week by playing 2 hours a day or so. Not really a grind.

I'm somewhere between casual and Hardcore. I only do the Z quests on my main, and usually only do the mission and bounty if I need them/feel like it. I only do the PvP if it's something I enjoy (AB, FA).

Given that, I have 3 gold coins in the 2 weeks or so the quests have been available.
So, I should have the max pack in about 2 and a half months total. Or, I can have the 15-slot pack in about a month total.

Not that bad, really. I don't see how it could take a year unless you only play 1-2 days per week, and if that's the case, how can you complain?

The Heavy Pack????

I have all the core professions. 55 build is also applicable to necros and mesmers so they may need their own farming armor set too.

Look at Ele with its 4 elemental powers of fire, water, air, and earth. With armor pieces for this already brings you to 4 slots (5 if you count energy storage for E/Mo Ether Renewal builds) plus if you are having foci for each of these, that would bring you to at least 8 slots total. I have not included foci from your secondary profession.

Look at necros, with blood, death, and curse. 3 headgear with 3 foci, these alone already exceeds the 5-slot bags, similarly for the other caster classes. As for wand, maybe you can keep the same one for all 3 builds and lose the slight damage. Assumming you dont have foci for secondary professions.

As for warrior armor, I use knight's insignia for general pve, but some warrior farming builds require radiant insignia for the extra energy so if you are one of those warriors then you need at least an extra armor set too. Even for a particular weapon like sword, you can have sundering or zealous or vampiric or elemental or enchanting/fortitude for different builds and situations. You are not going to use your vampiric sword all the while during general pve and let your monk complain about your degen. You can have different shields too for reducing blindness or extra benefits while in a stance/enchanted. Rangers can use all sorts of weapons from bows to daggers, spears, hammers, axes, etc.

Also for all melee classes, you should really bring a long/flat bow for pulling. Some warriors also bring a staff in case they need to cast a high energy spell.

My point is, if you want to be really flexible and use your characters to his/her max possibilities, you would need a bigger epack.

Well at 2 hours a day during one week you couldn't have made more than 1 gold coin, maybe 2 if you really did well.

It will take about 2 hours, if things go well to do a pvp quest which gives you about 105 gold if all reqs are met. So in a week thats just over 700 copper and we know that 500 copper is 1 gold.

So forgive me if I do not believe, or even accept the possibility of having gathered 15 gold coins, being 7500 copper coins in 14 hours gameplay. It's just not physically possible.

Not sure if it's possible if he did the hb-resign-grind and just chain deleted a pvp toon to farm coins. could end up with 3 or 400 pretty fast in a few hours.... but then that's not really PvPing now is it

Otherwise I totally agree with you. Not possible in 2hours a night.

Well, it does depend on how you define casual. For someone who plays 3 days a week and doesn't do every single quest, it could take over a year. If you define casual as, say 30-45 minutes a day, it wouldn't take over a year.

But forget that. A casual player would most likely not need a 20 slot bag. As a casual player, a 10 slot should be fine. Casual players generally don't have a shit load of items in their storage.

I think that's a wrong impression. I know several real life friends that played casual last 4 years. They were always in need of more storage. The difference is they have their bags filled with more common stuff and questing stuff.

To give one example: One is trying to get the mini moa for some time now, he still needs to visit the forge master so he's still carrying around the incubator and the egg etc. Told him he can drop that charr decoder or what was it too.

...agreed. these items are a grind and i have 12 max characters that i want HEPs for each. How am i going to even get that goal in 6 months when I play a crap-ton anyways?

there should be more things of value for gold z coins than one everlasting tonic to keep people z questing. Not HEP's. There wouldn't even be a thread in anet thought it through and made them 5 gold coins instead of 15. Can you imagine a thread omg heavy eq packs are too cheap.

i think anet just doesn't want people to have max packs on multiple characters server space or make the storage tab upgrade instore more money.

I still laugh at this thread...

If you do not play a lot, then you do not have need for the Heavy Equipment Pack. Thus, you should not worry about getting it.

If you do not play a lot, you should just get the 5 or 10 slotter, since the zquests came out, I have gotten 3 10 slots and 1 5 slot from zcoins so far. And I have not had the need for more so far, though I will soon enough, and when that comes, I'll have more silver coins for more gold coins. ^_^

I get about 2 silver coins a day now, that's just 75 days for 1 heavy equipment pack. Two and a half months, I can deal. Why can't you?

I agree it's ridiculous to say hardcore players have better use for a 20 slot equipment pack than a casual player. I've been a casual player since launch and I have items coming out my ears. The amount of weapons I've amassed in my time in game I could easily fill a 20 slot pack many times over, and make good use of it to boot(not just storage for storage sake).

I personally think its biased towards one weapon users. Most wars tend to use swords/axes and shields, paragon use spear + shield, some casters use wand +focus. Each set is absolutely neccessary and if you fill in all of the sets thats 8 weapons right there. A dervish, sin, or ranger would only need half that space for the same amount of prepared weapons.

So yea I think in that aspect the packs are flawed because I have to go out of my way now to get the right packs for each char I have. Esp for wars, who own lots of sets of armor and maybe even eles, who usually own multiple head pieces for each element, will need the space (though they usually use staves, which IS one handed). Monks with 55er sets, Smite sets, and healer sets would have to have a lot of space...

I think ANET should allow the weapon + offhand thing to stack on top of each other when put into a set to save room. Sounds like a fair deal to me =)

No one needs a epack period. Three weeks ago they didn't exist and everyone was getting by fine. Its just a luxury item. Also I love how everyone is acting like a 15 slot bag is dirt and just won't do....

So you can read minds?? Just because nobody complained doesn´t mean nobody needed them back then!

In fact storage has been an issue for a long time and there have been complaints about it.

There was a reason why Anet added more storage panes( remember we just had the one?) and now again they have given us an extra pane and people can buy more and now there are q-packs.

Does that other guy really think that Anet added all this because people weren't bothered about storage?

The main issue for me here is two-fold:

For one the heavy q-pack simply is way overprized.

Secondly, it is harder to get for pve players because the rewards are not as good for pve quests and ironically it's the pve players who need the q-packs most by definition.

Just look at any rare item in the game that came out. In not time there was a WTS. But the heavy q-packs? Haven't seen any WTS on them yet and they've been out for weeks now. To me that's instant proof that it costs too much too get. I never understood why there are 4 sizes anyways because the people who only need a 5 spaces one don't really need q-packs, so why bother with all the different sizes anyway?

I dunno, I have 14 characters and it's not looking good...disheartening is the word that best describes it.

By comparison I would say that it takes less time to get chaos gloves than a heavy q-pack, making the heavy q-pack a prestige item that you can't even show off...makes no sense to me.

Heavy q-pack's are being sold, they're just aren't alot and hence are getting sold v. quickly.

PvP players need the pack so they can carry all their different weapons (which they might need to use) in their inventory. Swapping 20 weapons every time you want to do some PvE is annoying.

Also heavy q-packs are being sold for 50e so they're worth less than chaos gloves.

ie, you (and certain others in the thread) want one on every character, but aren't willing to put in the work to get them and you hate the thought of having to 'settle for' something that isn't the absolute best in its class.

So what if PvPers get more coins? Obviously it's yet another attempt to encourage people to try out PvP. *shrug* (I'm not a PvPer, though I'll AB once in a while when I'm in a guild with a hall.)

Just because a new item doesn't go on the market instantly doesn't mean it costs too much.

Because the packs provide protection from accidental sale and salvage. Also, not everyone needs a 20 slot on every character. None of my 7 characters has any use for more than a 10-slot, for example, so why should I bother going for more? Heck, even my main, a Warrior, doesn't really need more than the 5-slotter right now...

Let's ignore the humongous "Storage Improvement" or something like that thread for over 100 pages.

I still consider playin 1-2 hrs aday pretty casual and i have atleat 5 gold zoins at the moment. The way i'm lookin at this (and also the nicholas thing) is that you don't have to do them. Yes it is nice but don't be forced to.
Its nice to have a zaishen quests as it gives you an idea of what to do, if you need the mission then put it in your log and do it when you want (providing the log isn't full).

Idk - I've got 5 gold zoins, and I haven't been grinding the quests. I really can't bring myself to grind the quests - I do the easy ones more than once, but I'm not touching Riverside Province with more than one character just for the sake of 70 zoins. Yuck.

I am bringing otherwise untouched characters through them, I'm having fun, I'm making steady progress towards the heavy equip pack mark... It would be nice if we could buy a light one, then upgrade slowly towards heavy, but I can do without. I mean, I coped before, I can wait a little while longer.

i have 4.5 gold coins -reaching for large one - but playing a bit more than casually. I only wish that I found out about that FA bug =( would have been a nice bonus for 8 chars!